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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: tropical66 on July 15, 2012, 01:50:24 AM
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Opinion and method from all the member here...how to plant Grumichama (Eugenia Brasiliensis) ... Please.
1. How to germinate grumichama seed
2. How to fertilize
Thanks in advance,
Faezal
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Selamat malam !
There is no problem with Eugenia brasiliensis. They just need a lot of rain while they are in production. But I'm not sure the Malaysian climate is OK for it. I think this species need a short cold (<20°C) season to grow well. If you don't have seeds I can send you some in the end of the year.
Gouralata (Reunion Island)
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Carpets of seedlings come up under yellow gramichama and this species seems to thrive on neglect.They fruit several times a year and sudden rain after a dry spell seems to trigger flowering in the hottest or coolest times.
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Thanks Gouralata and Mike T for the very useful information.
Faezal
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My understanding is that grumichama seed need to be planted asap to get a decent germination rate. I would also soak overnight and nick with a file.
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Here is a link to the Purdue University online copy of Julia Morton's book on tropical fruit. It should answer your questions about grumichama.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/grumichama.html (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/grumichama.html)
Oscar keeps a listing of botanical web links at fruitlovers.com.
This forum also has an online library of links.
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they hate alkaline soil...and leaf cuttings work well for this highly variable species!
try to pick a winner! some taste plum bland
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Seeds can last a fair while if those that sit under my plant are any guide.It took 2 years to begin fruiting and has larger and sweeter fruit than standard yellows and crops most heavily in winter.I have noticed there is considerable variation in fruit characteristics in this species and trees can be kept below 6 feet with pruning.
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(http://s12.postimage.org/5v7nk51ft/DSCF4929.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5v7nk51ft/)
There is not holding back this yellow it is always bustin' loose and flowering again.
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Selamat malam !
There is no problem with Eugenia brasiliensis. They just need a lot of rain while they are in production. But I'm not sure the Malaysian climate is OK for it. I think this species need a short cold (<20°C) season to grow well. If you don't have seeds I can send you some in the end of the year.
Gouralata (Reunion Island)
Grumichama does not need cold temperatures to flower or fruit. Mike is right and the seeds can keep for a long time, just like seeds of surinam, with just a bit of moisture. It is a very easy plant to grow and will start fruiting when quite small. From seed usually in 3 years or less. BTW, the yellow fruited one is a different subspecies than the purple and red.
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Easy to grow, unless one has alkaline soil/water. Then, it is looks sickly all the time.
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Hi,
I'm growing 3 Grumixamas...one in the ground(variegated) and two normal ones in 25 gal pots...they are growing very nicely and always busy flushing new growth...
Eugenia's are bullet proof for mailing them seeds...some take a month to germinate and others take a bit longer 8)
here's one seedling that is growing in a 25 gal pot...the soil is very high in organic material...which they luv and also get a good amount of water 8)
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Moonshadow69/IMG_7639.jpg)
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Any tricks to getting this bad boy to flower?
I have a 7 foot purple variety which I've had for several years, in the ground in the GH. It has 3 trunks and a good growth rate but not a single flower. I'm growing impatient.
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Any tricks to getting this bad boy to flower?
I have a 7 foot purple variety which I've had for several years, in the ground in the GH. It has 3 trunks and a good growth rate but not a single flower. I'm growing impatient.
Hi StressB,
You should have started savouring them fruits by now :o What about a good dose of water(often) and potassium fert. or a foliar spray containing potassium...maybe, both?...should help the Grumixama to flower.
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My method was to plant it where the wind howls in full sun and never water or fertilize it.I hack it back to 4 feet tall and this kind of abuse and neglect seems to stimulate it.
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I have heard that birds don't eat the yellow grumichama as much as the regular purple one. Is that true?
Tomas
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Shame there is so much variation in seedlings, I'd love to get some seeds of the yellow variety to grow but not be worth the trouble.
-Luke
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I have heard that birds don't eat the yellow grumichama as much as the regular purple one. Is that true?
Tomas
birds see ultra violet light, unlike humans. and red/blue/purple/black fruits are a most conspicuos color..unlike greens and yellows which are less attractive.
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Many fruits that try and attract bird seed dispersers are yellow.They tank up on my yellows.
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they hate alkaline soil...and leaf cuttings work well for this highly variable species!
try to pick a winner! some taste plum bland
Amazing!, tell us more about it......the leaf cutting technique...please, especially your experience.
Faezal
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Hi All,
Any new input and technique about planting grumichama.....share it please!
regards
Faezal
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Is there any difference in taste between the black and the yellow ? Years ago I ordered the yellow form ....they all turned out black . So now I am stuck with 8 fruiting black Grumichama ( not really complaining )
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Is there any difference in taste between the black and the yellow ? Years ago I ordered the yellow form ....they all turned out black . So now I am stuck with 8 fruiting black Grumichama ( not really complaining )
Yes there is a difference but it's very slight. If you got purples then they were crossed, not really yellow. Yellow is a different subspecies but can cross with the purple.
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Luc yellow ones are larger,sweeter and a much better fruit.I had one of each until they fruited at the same time and I decided the passenger had to vacate.Hang on the yellow has flowers now,I'll be back in a minute.
(http://s10.postimage.org/h9r7yx2rp/DSCF4952.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h9r7yx2rp/)
To be honest I have found there is variation in both but some some yellow are the next level up in productivity an fruit quality.
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Luc yellow ones are larger,sweeter and a much better fruit.I had one of each until they fruited at the same time and I decided the passenger had to vacate.Hang on the yellow has flowers now,I'll be back in a minute.
(http://s10.postimage.org/h9r7yx2rp/DSCF4952.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h9r7yx2rp/)
To be honest I have found there is variation in both but some some yellow are the next level up in productivity an fruit quality.
What a nice plant....... 8)
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Grumixama has the same health benefits as wine...without the body having to deal with the alcohol 8) That's why i consider Grumixama to be a superfood like Açai, Guaraná,Camu-Camu...etc. I can't wait for my trees to start to produce and reap the health benefits of these trees ;D
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I've got 2 side by side purple grumichamas and they taste different. One is definitely better than the other. One leaves a bit of a slight bitter aftertaste in the mouth and the other doesn't.
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I've got 2 side by side purple grumichamas and they taste different. One is definitely better than the other. One leaves a bit of a slight bitter aftertaste in the mouth and the other doesn't.
I had a similar experience. One has lots of large, melting, sweet fruit with small seed. The other had small fruit, little pulp, bitter taste, hard skin, large seed, low productivity despite more flowers and looked scraggly. No prizes for guessing which of the two had a hot date with the axe and mattock...
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BMc if they let the backyard crew down they need to be cut from team.I am looking for voluntary retirements at the moment so I can accommoate new recruits.Good grumichamas are alright but they don't kick serious ass like a big luscious fruit bearer.
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Hi all,
Is eugenia itaguahensis is consider as grumichama? or it is from other variety?
Faezal
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its a different species that looks almost identical to E. brasiliensis, but it's a much smaller tree, and I've read that the fruits aren't quiet as sweet as grumichama.
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Hi Faezal,
Here a pic of Grumixama-mirim-Eugenia itaguahensis 8)
http://frutasraras.sites.uol.com.br/eugeniaitaguahiensis.htm (http://frutasraras.sites.uol.com.br/eugeniaitaguahiensis.htm)
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The E. itaguahensis also fruits a lot faster and a lot smaller , started to fruit this year at 50 cm tall , just a few fruits though and the birds got them....so I cannot comment about the taste.
Now waiting for the copacabana , not holding my breath according to Harri and Marco's comments , but then again , Marco told me the neonitida was his favorite Eugenia and for me it is way down the list.
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The E. itaguahensis also fruits a lot faster and a lot smaller , started to fruit this year at 50 cm tall , just a few fruits though and the birds got them....so I cannot comment about the taste.
Now waiting for the copacabana , not holding my breath according to Harri and Marco's comments , but then again , Marco told me the neonitida was his favorite Eugenia and for me it is way down the list.
Luc i had the copacabanensis at Rio botanical garden, not so good, but very pretty tree and fruit. The neonitida fruits at Marco's house were indeed very good. But i like candolleana or brasilensis more.
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Grumichama/grumixama is tasty and sweet!
Candolleana is tasty and sweet!
Neonitida is fragrant, tasty, and tart!
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3 days later than the previous photo the yellow grumichama flowers are opening and buds are all over the plant.There is no holding it back as I had a big march harvest.
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You must be doing something right Mike !!!!!
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Hi all,
Can Grumichama be grafted to other type of Eugenias?...using Eugenia Samarangense as a host plant.
Faezal
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I had a good feast on grumixama today!
the temps are hitting the high 30s with 90% plus humidity so they are ripening super quickly.
i also went to the farmers market this morning and purchased cherries picked yesterday evening 200km inland to compare the two. They both have their own flavour, but on a day like today, a grumixama chilled for 30mins is hard to beat. The grumixamas were equal in size to the cherries and were a touch sweeter. The flesh to seed ratio was about equal, with either being a shade larger than the otehr in different fruit. the cherries tasted like cherries though, and the grumixamas tasted more, if anything, like cherry plums...
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(http://s7.postimage.org/9wac8h3cn/IMG_0677.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9wac8h3cn/)
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I grow and like grumichamas. But in my opinion a good cherry is not in same caliber as a good grumichama. Ofcourse you can buy cherries from far away markets that are pretty bland, but a good cherry far outshines any grumichama.
It's kind of like comparing a good apricot with a tropical apricot (dovyalis hybrid), also not in the same league, even though they have the same names.
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I had a good feast on grumixama today!
the temps are hitting the high 30s with 90% plus humidity so they are ripening super quickly.
i also went to the farmers market this morning and purchased cherries picked yesterday evening 200km inland to compare the two. They both have their own flavour, but on a day like today, a grumixama chilled for 30mins is hard to beat. The grumixamas were equal in size to the cherries and were a touch sweeter. The flesh to seed ratio was about equal, with either being a shade larger than the otehr in different fruit. the cherries tasted like cherries though, and the grumixamas tasted more, if anything, like cherry plums...
(http://s7.postimage.org/594a6pfzr/IMG_0699.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/594a6pfzr/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/9wac8h3cn/IMG_0677.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9wac8h3cn/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/ewcdu5yd3/IMG_0679.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ewcdu5yd3/)
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(http://s7.postimage.org/9d9ucy1br/IMG_0698.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9d9ucy1br/)
Hi BMc,
Is the fruits comes from your own grumichama tree? How tall is your grumichama tree? Can you please paste the picture here.
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Hi Bruce,
You sure are swimming in Grumixama's 8) They also have a nice size too!
Thanks for sharing :)
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Good grumis are better than bad cherries but big fat and firm bings are in another league.They look great BMc and that one in the picture is very big.Faezal E.samarangense is now a Syzygium and is to distantly related for grumi grafting I think.
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Hi BMc,
Is the fruits comes from your own grumichama tree? How tall is your grumichama tree? Can you please paste the picture here.
My tree is under 5ft tall. I keep it pruned hard each winter. It fruits 4 times in spring-summer-autumn, then it gets the chop back. I'll take pics next week when I get a chance to get into the garden.
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I have two grumichama trees.....seedlings I believe. They produce similar but slightly different tasting fruit. Thankfully, neither has any bitterness or other bad after taste. I find these to be the most shallow rooted of my trees/fruiting bushes. They show drought stress before almost everything else. They are gorgeous when in bloom. The fruits are subject to fruit fly attack here. Also the fruit tends to ripen too quickly, all at once. Seems like one day they are firm and just coloring up and the next they are overripe. My trees seems to flower and set fruit twice in most years. And, while they are nicely flavored, they do not hold a candle to any of the decent temperate cherries, in my humble opinion.
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Hopkins is supposed to have a superior seedling, planted in the ground at their present location...but they don't propagate it.
I've only heard this from a friend, not confirmed by Hopkins...but I wouldn't doubt it.
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BMc, nice pic's of your grumichama, is your soil down under alkaline, if so how do you acidify? 8)
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(http://s14.postimage.org/p06ex3k19/IMAG0692.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p06ex3k19/)
Grumichama tree thrives during monsoon rainy season now. I fertilize the tree with chicken manure, peatmoss and osmocote fert. I hope
this tree will bear fruit soon.
cheers
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This fourm is a real help I am keeping 20 plants to put up to #15 now not only will I look for bush shape But fruit taste some plants are letterd as to were they came from big fruit is one a keeper. I got ten yellow out of these last year.The 6 foot tree in the field is a good one .our trees fruit here in april may june
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Faezal that tree looks big enough to start fruiting.Sometimes getting enough K,P,Mg and Zn can make all the difference.Mine fruits well after a change in the weather also.When it rains after being dry for a while and when it gets warmer after a cooler time it flowers more.
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Yes the large tree in the field fruits every year in the spring got over 300 fruit one year. we save the seed it flowerd in the fall twice but did not hold much fruit. I fertilize in the field four times spring thur summer. dont fertilze nov thur feb dont want any tender growth for winter
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My understanding is that grumichama seed need to be planted asap to get a decent germination rate. I would also soak overnight and nick with a file.
EGHADS DO NOT NICK ANY EUGENIA SEED
My first ever grumi was a heavy fruiter in hilo hawaii
i love them i have 8 x 20-35 year old fruiting trees and they all taste the same... like a mild blueberry
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Recher - Do you have any general rules of thumb for when and how to soak/nick/scarify? My germination techniques could use improvement, so I would certainly appreciate the guidance.
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@Hollywood ,
I got Grumichama seeds from Paul Recher's trees , they arrived after 30 plus days kinda dehydrated , soaked them in water overnight , planted ...that's it...
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Recher - Do you have any general rules of thumb for when and how to soak/nick/scarify? My germination techniques could use improvement, so I would certainly appreciate the guidance.
To require scarification /nicking the seed must have an impervious seed coat. In other words 'soft' seeds like Eugenia, Garcinia obviously no nicking.
okay hard shell... well Annona and Pouterias have a hard shell but don't need nicking so any guides to hrs shelled seed differentiation. Nothing definite but if the species comes form a year round climate of precipitation the seeds are far less likely to need nicking. Scarification is to trick nature. Dry climate seeds with hard shells more likely. Some genera arecmore likely like Leguminacea to require nicking
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I think this large cherry is a keeper also found some yellow fruit.I will post on the nursery list under TreesNmore
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I have a grumichama that's probably 15 to 20 years old. I really like it. It requires little to no maintenance (I've never ever fertilized it.) The wood is tougher than steel. At 20 foot tall, it took wilma's beating without losing a branch. It grows straight up in the air like a telephone pole, so it fits in nicely in tight spaces. Given the vertical growth and super strong wood, you could almost use it as a wind break (if you have the patience to wait for it to grow to 20 foot tall :-). The only drawback is that it's does seem to like a lot of water. When mine goes 2 weeks without rain, the leaves will start to droop. The fruit will also get worms if you let it sit on the tree long enough. But, it's nice that it fruits in April, when not much else is available.
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I have a grumichama that's probably 15 to 20 years old. I really like it. It requires little to no maintenance (I've never ever fertilized it.) The wood is tougher than steel. At 20 foot tall, it took wilma's beating without losing a branch. It grows straight up in the air like a telephone pole, so it fits in nicely in tight spaces. Given the vertical growth and super strong wood, you could almost use it as a wind break (if you have the patience to wait for it to grow to 20 foot tall :-). The only drawback is that it's does seem to like a lot of water. When mine goes 2 weeks without rain, the leaves will start to droop. The fruit will also get worms if you let it sit on the tree long enough. But, it's nice that it fruits in April, when not much else is available.
Amen to that. They are very shallow rooted and are the very first tree in my yard to show drought stress. And that, remember, is with mucky soil and a water table that is found about 4 feet under the surface.
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Jeff
How is the yellow one I gave you last year. Mine are fruiting now early
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Quoting Hauss : They are very shallow rooted and are the very first tree in my yard to show drought stress. And that, remember, is with mucky soil and a water table that is found about 4 feet under the surface.
If this is true about the very shallow roots it should be doable to transplant 4 meter trees , they are getting shaded by my Mabolos , first like Mike and Bmc do cutting them down to 1 to 2 meter ? Correct me if I am wrong guys . On the other side I can afford to lose a few since I have now 8 fruiting . All taste the same , no difference in quality .
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My experience with grumichamas is different from others.I consider them a moderately deep rooted specied with moderate drought resistance.They certainly are deeper rooted at my place than jaboticabas,mangosteen or limes and less prone to toppling over in high winds than the species I mentioned.I would hate to try and dig my yellow one up.
They do enjoy a good haircut and grow back profusely.I reckon they should be pruned with an iron fist.
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I finally planted it out yesterday :-). My wife liked the fruit of your yellow one more than our dark red / purple fruited tree. I can't remember if there was a difference or not.
Jeff
How is the yellow one I gave you last year. Mine are fruiting now early
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It's strange, because the rootsystem of mine is indeed deeper than jaboticaba. Wilma caused my grumichama to lean at 15 degree angle. I later tried to return it to perpendicular with the ground by using my car to pull, but it was an exercise in futility, as the darn thing would not budge. My jaboticaba however, toppled with ease.
In my experience, the jabo is shallower rooted than the cherry rio grande, which is shallower rooted than the grumichama.
I stopped 'hat racking' my grumichama, as that just caused it to shoot right back up in the air. Now, I've been using a different pruning technique where I cut out branches from the bottom. I'll see if I can find a picture of what I'm talking about.
Ok, I couldn't find a picture online, so I'll take this opportunity to show off my exceptional MS Paint skills:
(http://s4.postimage.org/n738brdvd/prune.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/n738brdvd/)
The hat rack style prune make my grumichama grow really fast. The selective full branch prune seems to slow down the re-growth.
I hate pruning the darn thing because my chipper shredder can barely cut through the wood.
My experience with grumichamas is different from others.I consider them a moderately deep rooted specied with moderate drought resistance.They certainly are deeper rooted at my place than jaboticabas,mangosteen or limes and less prone to toppling over in high winds than the species I mentioned.I would hate to try and dig my yellow one up.
They do enjoy a good haircut and grow back profusely.I reckon they should be pruned with an iron fist.
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My Grumichama Seedlings
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Yellow Grumichama Seedlings Sprouting.
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Black Grumichama Seedlings.
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Mine is getting ready to bust-a-move with flowers!
(http://s22.postimg.cc/5is2f0kzx/IMG_7725.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5is2f0kzx/)
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Here is one of my grums from about a week ago.
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Mine from last week, with more on the way. Spent awhile just watching the honey bee, it seemed to be having a grand time in all the flowers.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Grumichama/grumichama2_4_2013_zpsf5fc1547.jpg)
DM
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The grumichamas seem globally synchronized as mine were also at that stage of flowering a week ago. Now they have small grumis and a very few mature ones.
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Nice photos! I expect mine to open up the flowers soon. What a spectacular looking bush when that happens!
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I find myself taking more photos of grumichama than almost any other plant. It's a very photogenic tree.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/BrazilianCherryCollage.jpg)
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Nice photos Oscar! One of my favorite plants!
Ed
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Beautiful pic's everyone! ;)
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Flowers opened up today!
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Went out this morning. Wow. Very aromatic. Smells like jasmine.
Pollinator on a scouting mission:
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Going in for the kill...
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Mission Accomplished:
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This bee looked to be in honey goodness heaven...
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I find myself taking more photos of grumichama than almost any other plant. It's a very photogenic tree.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/BrazilianCherryCollage.jpg)
Hi Oscar,
Thanks for sharing the photos
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Hi Central Floridave,
Nice photo capture, thanks for sharing
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Flowers opened up today!
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Hi Bro,
Any special methods to make the grumichama flowering?
cheers
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I don't know if it helped or not, but looked like it did. But, I put some wood-ash around it with some holly-tone. Plus, about two weeks ago I got 5 inches of rain in one day. I've also been hand watering it this spring with nasty pond water. Last year was the first year it flowered and I only got one fruit. This year I'm hoping for more.
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Dave, great in flight action shot!
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My tree is just about to open its flowers, yeah the bees love them. nice pictures. :)
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The flowers are spent and have now dropped all the white petals. Photo from a couple days ago. Hopefully that is fruit developing.
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Here is the fruit developing from the above flower flush. Looks like the bee did its thing!
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First time flowering.
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A few flower appears.
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So, I got a lot of fruit from this bush this year! About 50 of them. They taste really good.
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So, I got a lot of fruit from this bush this year! About 50 of them. They taste really good.
(http://s7.postimg.cc/anj87nkx3/IMG_8430.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/anj87nkx3/)
Hi Central Floridave,
Nice photo and fruits. All my grumis flower gone without any fruit bud appear maybe because it is the first time my grumis flowering.
cheers
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I was surprised to see my grumichamas flowering again right after getting a bumper crop this year. There were many hundreds of fruits on the tree and now right afterwards tons more flowers. :D
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mmm, ¿where I find grumichama´s seeds for send here?, because told me that this fruit tastes like a sweet cherry, please
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Is there any difference in taste between the black and the yellow ? Years ago I ordered the yellow form ....they all turned out black . So now I am stuck with 8 fruiting black Grumichama ( not really complaining )
Yes there is a difference but it's very slight. If you got purples then they were crossed, not really yellow. Yellow is a different subspecies but can cross with the purple.
Hi Oscar: and what is the difference in taste or any difference between the purples you sent me and the black and yellow ones? I love the fact that they will be purple, it's a very nice colour.
here, some of them:
(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/590x442xSAM_4982-1024x768.jpg.pagespeed.ic.4lFh_suCRA.jpg)
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Is there any difference in taste between the black and the yellow ? Years ago I ordered the yellow form ....they all turned out black . So now I am stuck with 8 fruiting black Grumichama ( not really complaining )
Yes there is a difference but it's very slight. If you got purples then they were crossed, not really yellow. Yellow is a different subspecies but can cross with the purple.
Hi Oscar: and what is the difference in taste or any difference between the purples you sent me and the black and yellow ones? I love the fact that they will be purple, it's a very nice colour.
here, some of them:
(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/590x442xSAM_4982-1024x768.jpg.pagespeed.ic.4lFh_suCRA.jpg)
Like i told Luc in message above the taste difference is very subtle. Purple is what some people are calling black. Not really black but dark purple. I've heard different opinions but some people like the purples better and others like the yellow better. Hard to says as i'm sure that there are many different ones even within same color. So there could be yellow trees produce very good fruit and others not so great, same with the other colors. I keep trying to get message across that a particular color is not a cultivar. It is like asking what is best a red mango or a yellow mango? There are many different kinds of both.
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I think there is a difference at least in the typical yellow and dark grumis here. Yellows are larger, sweeter with thicker flesh.Have a look at pix I posted before and compare them to dark ones you have seen.I grew a dark grumi and chopped it down as it was clearly inferior in taste to the yellow and less productive. Yellow and red cherry guavas also have a different taste I believe.
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I think there is a difference at least in the typical yellow and dark grumis here. Yellows are larger, sweeter with thicker flesh.Have a look at pix I posted before and compare them to dark ones you have seen.I grew a dark grumi and chopped it down as it was clearly inferior in taste to the yellow and less productive. Yellow and red cherry guavas also have a different taste I believe.
Mike, have also had exactly opposite report from folks growing yellows elsewhere, with them thinking purples are clearly better tasting. Like i said before and will continue saying: colors are not cultivars, so it's not surprising there are differences within and inside each color.
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Maybe there is a lack of good lines of dark ones here but it is generally accepted that yellows are an improved type. Grafted grumis are usually yellows on darks and I have never seen the reverse.Perhaps one or the other performs better in different climates. The species seems more drought resistant than many other tropical I grow.
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Thanks both, and what about cold hardiness? I readed some documents that talk about upper 20º F and other 26º F and other 28º F (-6º C, -3º C, -2º C);
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/grumichama.html (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/grumichama.html)
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/content/grumichama.htm (http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/content/grumichama.htm)
http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/eugenia_braziliensis.htm (http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/eugenia_braziliensis.htm)
http://www.montosogardens.com/tropical_fruit_trees.htm (http://www.montosogardens.com/tropical_fruit_trees.htm)
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Maybe there is a lack of good lines of dark ones here but it is generally accepted that yellows are an improved type. Grafted grumis are usually yellows on darks and I have never seen the reverse.Perhaps one or the other performs better in different climates. The species seems more drought resistant than many other tropical I grow.
I have found the exact opposite. My Grumichamas (and I have two) are the very first trees to show wilting from lack of water. I surmise the roots to be very shallow which in my yard translates to not reaching the water table which is barely 4 feet down during most of the year. I have never let them go without further watering by hand once I see wilting. Maybe they can survive better than other tropicals and just wilt as part of their survival method?
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My experience is the same as hausman! My grumichamas demand a lot of water and if they don't get it then I get very little, if any, growth. I also see the leaf curling or shriveling. When flowering and fruiting I soak them quite a bit which helps with fruit set.
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Maybe there is a lack of good lines of dark ones here but it is generally accepted that yellows are an improved type. Grafted grumis are usually yellows on darks and I have never seen the reverse.Perhaps one or the other performs better in different climates. The species seems more drought resistant than many other tropical I grow.
Maybe in Australia the yellows have been selected out for good qualities. But i very much doubt that is true elsewhere. In Brazil where they are native the different colors are considered different sub species and given different latin names, though Lorenzi didn't adopt that in his book.
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Try digging a grumi out and you will see just how deep the roots go even on small seedlings.The leaves are tougher than most Eugenias and never water mine and they seem to be adapted for extended periods without water and on par with guavas.They do drop a few leaves after a few weeks/months wityh no water but spring back with flowers immediately when the rain comes.My experience is certainly different to others.
I have seen grafted plants that sucker like crazy and the rootstock of dark grumis has foliage that looks quite different from that of the yellow scion.
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Drought tolerance is going to depend on type of soil they are in. Here they aren't very drought tolerant as lava rock doesn't hold moisture very long. I notice also that at time of flowering and fruiting they need quite a bit of water or you won't get good fruit set. Too much rain also is not good as the flowers will get pummeled.
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A break in the rain here has allowed the grumixama to show off a bit. I counted 15 different flying pollinating insect on them the morning prior to these shots (not including ants). This is the second flowering of spring and I should get an extra 2-3 flowerings through summer and autumn. tree is kept at about 1.3m tall.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/6fq7ytnab/IMG_4625.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fq7ytnab/)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/4p76xc5r7/IMG_4631.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4p76xc5r7/)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/uuyfzvm77/IMG_4632.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uuyfzvm77/)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/72kjalusj/IMG_4633.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/72kjalusj/)
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WOW! So beautifull photos... for me grumixama have one os the most beautifull flowers! :)
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A break in the rain here has allowed the grumixama to show off a bit. I counted 15 different flying pollinating insect on them the morning prior to these shots (not including ants). This is the second flowering of spring and I should get an extra 2-3 flowerings through summer and autumn. tree is kept at about 1.3m tall.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/4p76xc5r7/IMG_4631.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4p76xc5r7/)
Definitely an impressive bloom. Mine do bloom twice a year but I don't ever remember 3 times in a year. Do yours follow definite and regular blooming seasons. In my memory, the blooming timing on my two trees seems to vary with conditions and is not tied directly to a particular month of the year.
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I got fruit early this year. March 18th and my bush is full of fruit. We have had record rain the past two months which helped.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/usl0eej87/net4.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/usl0eej87/)
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I've got my grumichama currently covered with bird netting as well. The fruit tasted really good this morning. Coffee and grumichama for breakfast!
(http://s12.postimg.cc/fj09arent/net2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fj09arent/)
(http://s12.postimg.cc/3v67g7pix/net3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3v67g7pix/)
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Hey Dave where did you get the netting? I am thinking of doing this bc last year the birds totally cleaned out my grumichama and Suriname cherry. Mine are still green right now, so down here my season is slightly behind yours.
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Any big box home improvement store has them. I got this one at Ace hardware. HD and lowes has them also. Or, get it online.
Good luck keeping the birds off them! The net isn't 100 percent effective but slows them down.
Grumichama ripen pretty quickly so you gotta pick them fast.
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A break in the rain here has allowed the grumixama to show off a bit. I counted 15 different flying pollinating insect on them the morning prior to these shots (not including ants). This is the second flowering of spring and I should get an extra 2-3 flowerings through summer and autumn. tree is kept at about 1.3m tall.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/4p76xc5r7/IMG_4631.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4p76xc5r7/)
Definitely an impressive bloom. Mine do bloom twice a year but I don't ever remember 3 times in a year. Do yours follow definite and regular blooming seasons. In my memory, the blooming timing on my two trees seems to vary with conditions and is not tied directly to a particular month of the year.
Yes and no. In years with average to above average rain it will just keep pumping out flushes of flowers then fruit 4-5 times over that warmer months. In dry years it will just put out 2 flower flushes. This year we got 10% of average here and it had a decent early season bloom and a light crop of average sized fruit. The second crop was light and very small and hardly worth eating. Its had sporadic fruit all summer, but they've not been good, like its been baked by the sun. So overall conditions have a factor on the crops, but micro conditions dont seem to trigger multiple crops.
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I got fruit early this year. March 18th and my bush is full of fruit. We have had record rain the past two months which helped.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/usl0eej87/net4.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/usl0eej87/)
How do they taste? If they have a sweet cherry like taste then I might buy one. You have a nice early pre-mango season harvest. When are they usually ripe for you?
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They have very nice taste. Not really like a bing cherry, but as close to that as i've seen in any eugenia. It's usually rated as one of the best tasting eugenias. I think you'll like em.
PS how do you like new weather sticker as part of signature? This was one of Bangkok's idea on way to improve forum.PPS had to remove the weather sticker, but working on smaller less obnoxious version, so hopefully coming soon.
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They have very nice taste. Not really like a bing cherry, but as close to that as i've seen in any eugenia. It's usually rated as one of the best tasting eugenias. I think you'll like em.
PS how do you like new weather sticker as part of signature? This was one of Bangkok's idea on way to improve forum.PPS had to remove the weather sticker, but working on smaller less obnoxious version, so hopefully coming soon.
I noticed your weather sticker! I am going to look for one.
Thanks for the taste information on the grumichama. My last planting spaces are not optimum. Might have more shade than I like
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They have very nice taste. Not really like a bing cherry, but as close to that as i've seen in any eugenia. It's usually rated as one of the best tasting eugenias. I think you'll like em.
PS how do you like new weather sticker as part of signature? This was one of Bangkok's idea on way to improve forum.PPS had to remove the weather sticker, but working on smaller less obnoxious version, so hopefully coming soon.
I noticed your weather sticker! I am going to look for one.
Thanks for the taste information on the grumichama. My last planting spaces are not optimum. Might have more shade than I like
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I ate another handful this morning. They taste really good. There is no objectionable off-flavors are anything. No tartness either. The skin is edible as well. Seeds are easy to spit out.
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I ate another handful this morning. They taste really good. There is no objectionable off-flavors are anything. No tartness either. The skin is edible as well. Seeds are easy to spit out.
Their quality varies from tree to tree. I have 2 trees side by side and one has a bit of a bitter after taste and the other one doesn't.
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"2 trees side by side"
I wonder if mine is grafted then. I got it from PIN. Do they graft grumichama. I'll look for a graft line later when I'm home.
I started some from seed. They germinate very easy. Do they come true from seed?
I ate another handful this morning. They are ripening fast.
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"2 trees side by side"
I wonder if mine is grafted then. I got it from PIN. Do they graft grumichama. I'll look for a graft line later when I'm home.
I started some from seed. They germinate very easy. Do they come true from seed?
I ate another handful this morning. They are ripening fast.
Grafted? I very much doubt it. Never heard of a single nursery that does graft them. Maybe Adam will attempt it now? ;) (I suppose it's also possible to do airlayers.) Variation from seed? Obviously some as 2 i started from seed taste a bit different, as i posted above.
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My grumichama fruit picture, only few but more than previous season
(http://s7.postimg.cc/9o00cruiv/20141204_114157.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9o00cruiv/)
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Quick question to the grumi growers here how do you treat the plant? I have been trimming all the suckers of the bottom and concentrating on a nice tree look but it grew nicely upwards then every branch just drooped to the ground and set like that. Looks terrible but that's how it wants to grrow and looks happy but would it be better as a scrubby bush and leave the suckers or keep taking them off?
Regards Don
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I have a Grumichama growing in clay soil and it is producing lots of fruit at the moment, sweet and juicy. I fertilise with my home made seaweed fertiliser, and worm tea.
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Hey, what should I do if I have two 1-year old seedlings per 4" pot of these? Separate them when I up-pot, or leave them together?
I germinated several grumichama last year, but was out of materials and space, so put two seeds per 4" pot. :p I plan to up-pot them in a month or two.
Thanks for recommendations!
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Suggest that you plant them together in pairs for better pollination. It will be less stressful, too, since pulling or cutting them apart will stress or shock the roots.
Once they are old enough to bloom and set fruit you can evaluate the fruit and its flavor and if not so good or not productive you could prune one of the two away from each pair as necessary (or no)t and just leave the better tasting one(s).
That is what I would do in a situation similar to yours.
Paul M.
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Hey, what should I do if I have two 1-year old seedlings per 4" pot of these? Separate them when I up-pot, or leave them together?
I germinated several grumichama last year, but was out of materials and space, so put two seeds per 4" pot. :p I plan to up-pot them in a month or two.
Thanks for recommendations!
I assume these are the ones I sent you? If so I’m glad they’re doing well.
These are very hardy so separating them when you up pot them won’t harm them.
As mentioned they probably do better with another for pollination.
Mine didn’t want to set fruit this year for some weird reason.
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Okay, thank you both!
Yes, J45, these are the ones from you, thanks again :)