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To put it another way, mass selection allows you to select for the genetics that you want. It is not a means of creating new genetics. You have to work within the genetics of the species that you are dealing with.

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Wild populations of a give species have the greatest genetic diversity and provide a good idea of the genetic limitations of a species. Nature has already planted millions of avocados at the northern end of their range in Mexico. If the genetics were there for a deciduous tree that could grow in Nebraska (for example) we would most likely find such a tree (even if very rare) in the wild.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« on: September 26, 2022, 09:11:05 PM »
Here are my recommendations.

1). Use common sense to observe your yard and house. If you wouldn't drive down the highway at 60, 80, 100 mph with the thing in the bed of your truck, strap it down or put it away. One thing people often forget about is that outdoor fans should be taken down.

2). Although I have never bothered with it myself, some very knowledgeable people recommend reducing tree canopies by about 1/3. That is usually enough to keep them from blowing over. Also remove any limbs that could touch your roof and any fruits that are close to ripe or that could become projectiles.

3). Remember that some damage is preventable and some is not. Pool cages and screen porches are among the most commonly damaged parts of the house that might have been prevented. Slashing or removing the screen is often enough to save the structure and replacing the screen is a lot cheaper than replacing the metal frame.

4). Taping your windows does basically nothing other than waste your time and tape. If you only have boards for a few windows, put them on the windows facing the prevailing winds (windy.com can show a prediction of what direction that will be).

5). Be careful after the storm. More people die each year from running generators in a closed garage or from falling off a roof than from the storm.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID this plant, a tropical edible tuber?
« on: September 25, 2022, 07:39:07 PM »
Elephant foot yam?

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If it helps any, there are at least 2 Ilamas in Sebring. They would have gone through 28 at a minimum this last winter (one is bearing fruit this year). I would say they are approximately equal in hardiness to mango and maybe slightly harder. They appear to be more resilient/long lived than sugarapple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya in FL anecdote
« on: September 24, 2022, 11:54:39 PM »
Joe, that is awesome! I think we could fruit Cherimoya here with the right cultural care. I think they need to be forced to flower now (end of September) so that fruits will develop over the cool winter period. It would need to be done in a part of the state where freezing temps over the winter were not likely because otherwise the tree might defoliate.  I may be just a bit too cold here where I am at. It couldn't hurt to hive it a try.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Questions
« on: September 23, 2022, 10:40:52 PM »
I have 4 grafted white sapotes that are dwarfed and at 15 years old or more, no larger than 8 ft, one is only 5 ft.  All produce normal sized fruit.  I have posted this before:  Using casimiroa tetrameria (yellow sapote) for rootstock, the white sapote (casimiroa edulis) is dwarfed and remains so.  Each is planted in the ground, but would be perfect size for a 15 gallon container.  I also have a collection of white sapote trees that tend to be very large.  I don't think one in a container would be happy due to their size. My Suebelle white sapote is about 10 ft tall, and has fuzz on the bottom of its leaves potentially indicating hybridization with a yellow sapote.  All of the yellow sapotes have the fuzz, and are sometimes called fuzzy leafed sapote. My yellow sapote on its own roots is about 15 ft tall, my Vernon white sapote is a giant 30 ft or more and equally as broad.  For yards with limited space, dwarfing might be a solution to be able to enjoy this excellent fruit.
So I live in 9b and my white sapote takes little damage in the winter. If I use yellow sapote rootstock (canistel), which has less cold tolerance is that going to be an issue? I like this idea, but not sure if it is suitable for 9B.
Thanks.

I think they were talking about
casimiroa tetrameria (yellow/wooly sapote). It should be similar in cold tollerence to white sapote (casimiroa edulis). Common names make things confusing.

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Enjoyed reading about your adventures. I always thought that sea grapes tasted like BBQ sauce without the smoke flavor--salty and a little sweet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too late to plant a mango tree?
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:56:13 PM »
I agree, we rarely plant out anything in less than a 7gal. It is so easy to pick up a 3 gal or 7 gal pot and put it in the garage for the night.

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I have seen that happen here whem we get very dry weather after bloom and fruitset.

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You are welcome Samu! I hope you start getting some fruit!

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Lychee bloom is one of the most misunderstood elements of fruit growing. To bloom, lychee trees must experience cold temperatures when the buds are just starting to grow. If cold happens when the tree is not actively starting growth or if cold temps happen when the tree is well into a flush it will not bloom. If you live in a spot that does not consistently have temps below 50 when the tree should be blooming, getting fruit will be difficult. You can increase your chances by reducing nitrogen fertilizer and water in the late fall in an effort to keep the tree from flushing until the coldest part of the year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting Fruit Trees Near Queen Palm Tree
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:22:20 PM »
It does not seem to have hurt the other queen palms. What are you planning to put there? Anything with a strong root system would likely be bad for the wall.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Help: Terminal New Growth Falling Off
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:18:10 PM »
Lycee does not like dry wind when they are flushing. Even here in Florida the trees can lose a flush under dry windy conditions.

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I am no avocado expert, but another thought occured to me. I believe most store avocados are Guatemalan types like Hass. Don't they have a long ripening period? It would be a real shame to create a hardy tree that never produced fruit because it got frozen off before it could ne harvested each year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree - Worth it?
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:09:17 PM »
Macadamia is great in some ways because the nuts fall when ready and the trees can get large. However, we had a huge macadamia that blew over in a hurricane. I wonder if thatvwas a fluke, or if they are more wind susceptible.

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It would probably be best to ask what other California growers are having success with and then taste those varieties to see what you like best. It is almost laughable how even among my friends and family the variety one ranks as excellent is the other's least favorite. What I can tell you is that for commercial purposes Sweet Heart brings the highest price. I would not say it has remarkable cold tollerence. Personally, I like Kiamana a little better.  I also like the taste of Brewster (which is known to be fairly hardy) but the seed is large.

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You would likely have better luck starting seedlings of Mexican avocados that are known to be more hardy already. That will increase your likelihood of success.

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Is grafting lychee not common practice?

Not in the US. Air layering is very easy and grafting often has poor success rates because lychee cambium is only actively growing for a short period of time. That being said, it is possible. Certain varieties are traditionally grafted in China and I believe Lara Farms grafts a lot of their stock to Mauritius seedlings because that variety performs better in limestone soil.

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I just want to say too, I have the feeling that the vigor that is being displaying is not normal or rare to say the least, who knows if it'll fruit with the same speed but out of the ~25, 80% have 4-6 starting their flush, 20% have 7-9 finishing their flush... and then there's this one.

I count 8 baby leaves preparing for this next flush, who knows if it'll grow all 8 out or just pick 3-4, but whenever I water them all this one in particular is dry 36 hours before the others, every single time lol

If your instinct tells you it is special, grow it out. You have nothing to lose by a little time.

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Somehow I missed that this was a seedling tree when I read the thread initially. I am sure that has something to do with this.

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The shortest I have personally observed from seed is 5 years. I have also seen some that took 15-20. Vigor will probably have nothing to do with early bearing. The tree that bore in 5 years was only 8' tall and not an extremely fast grower. New varieties will have a better chance of bearing young than old varieties like Brewster.

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If you plant mangos in ground north of Orlando you will need to have a very good freeze protection system in place or have an incredible microclimate. I saw mango trees about 200 miles south of you killed by the freeze we had this year. Trees roughly 50 miles north of there in a warm microclimate (in town) were unphased.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 14, 2022, 09:56:16 PM »
Nothing beats cooking bananas. 20% of my diet is cooking bananas, I eat them daily. I do need to grow about 1000lbs for me and my partner though. Its doable here with 10 maoli mats. Breadfruit is the next most logical. They are amazing if you know how to pick and cook them. Very filling, not sure if that will work in your climate though. There is colocasia and xanthosoma and true yams, sweet potatoes  that are filling too. Check out my blog for other options but sounds like you already know a lot of your perennial vegetables. Peach palm, fruits and palm hearts, and edible bamboos. Beans, canna, cassava, Sacha inchi, and squash too
https://tropicalselfsufficiency.com/

By the way Spencer, I have enjoyed reading your website in the past. There is lots of good information, especially your post in bananas. The pictures showing the various deficiencies are very helpful.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: September 13, 2022, 09:14:49 PM »
:) Hi, I'm Loretta from N. Central Florida.  I am brand new here.  I started growning papaya trees from seed and they are doing beautifully.  I have one tree that I purchased from Lowe's that is actually older than the seed trees and it has barely grown!  It's been a year.   It's just 3 foot tall.  My largest tree had close to 20 frut on the main stalk.  It broke overnight and I am trying to rescue the fruit.  I know some are too young and they are oozing that white milky substance.  I think I might lose my first bunch but will watch diligently to protect new fruit.   I thought I was going to have lots of fruit to dry and some fresh to much on too.  Sad that they might have worms.

Popsicle, I'm sorry to hear about your tree breaking. I hear you can cook immature fruits like squash or make "zucchini" bread with them. I have not made either but have eaten the bread that people made--it was really yummy. I have made Thai green papaya salad--it is good too.

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