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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sick Macadamia?
« on: January 05, 2022, 05:32:13 PM »
Strange Your Beaumont Macadamia Tree died. Mine grew very well here in California in 2021. Could be your climate is not as well suited for this type of nut tree. Hard to say.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Is this a Sugarloaf Mango Tree?
« on: December 28, 2021, 04:03:25 PM »
I purchased this mango tree several months ago from a seller on eBay from Florida. He indicated this Sugarloaf was grafted by a friend and he sells them at a local flea market. The seller claims the grafter is very reputable and had a high level of confidence this tree was indeed a sugarloaf.

Based on the photo and the flower formation can someone tell me if this looks like a Sugarloaf (E-4)?

Even in my greenhouse, this small tree is flowering but it does get cold (40-50F) at night. Interesting this is my only mango tree that is flowering so robustly in late December. I plan on using this tree as grafting material in 2022 on older more established mango trees already in the ground.



Sugarloaf Mango Tree

If you want to come by and do the girding yourself then harvest them two months later that is fine with me. My tree is large enough that a few branches won't make much difference.

Just let me know in January if interested. No Charge.


My Orange Sherbet just finished flushing in October. In 15 gal container.


Orange Sherbet on Ataulfo (10-31-2021)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Backyard Garden in So Cal
« on: November 01, 2021, 09:05:20 PM »
Good luck with your backyard garden set-up. It looks very nice indeed. Interesting layout out with the 16" pavers.

Not sure I agree with you in regards to covering up the feeder roots in your sub-tropical fruit trees. Keep us posted in the years to come with the growth and production of your fruit trees. Here are are few of my concerns about your layout.

I don't know of any farmers that cover up their expanding and growing feeder roots in the dirt for fruit trees to keep the grower's feet clean. Growing plants in my opinion are about providing the best environment to maximize growth and quality fruit. Please don't take offense but I wonder when I am watching your video how are these various trees going to cope long term with the environment you placed them in. In drought years how is the expanding rooting going to get enough water.? The paver blocks prevent oxjgen and water from getting to these expanding roots. If we have good heavy rain in winter the water will soak thru your sand in between the pavers but what happens after the soil dries up? What effect will that have on growth and the quality of fruit? I guess time will tell. I see our Florida Growers planting in open spaces with plenty of water. Your situation is exactly the opposite. Not something I would do personally.

Hear in Socal rainwater only occurs 3-4 months a year at the most, (Dec-March). What's your long-term plan to keep the expanding root system healthy. Sorry to be skeptical but I see major flaws in your strategy. That being said I hope it works out for you. Do a video in 2026 and if your trees are flourishing I will adopt your Philosophy.

Best Wishes


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: my first taste of Sweet Tart
« on: October 28, 2021, 07:36:47 PM »
Yea I had a few standard Sweet Trart mangos earlier in the month and they were excellent but until you experience the Sweet Tart Nubbins you have yet to understand how great this fruit can be. Much smaller in size but super-concentrated in flavor and sweetness. I don't believe our Florida Mango brothers have had these fruit yet as the conditions for this fruit development are unique to California (incomplete pollination in the spring). I only had a few but they were a remarkable experience.

Sweet Tart Nubbins are supreme indeed. 


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Val-Carrie Mango Tree - Sold
« on: October 22, 2021, 04:33:36 PM »
Hey Everybody, I decided to part with my Val-Carrie mango Tree I grafted two years ago onto Manila rootstock. The tree is healthy with a very nice lower rootstock. It is in a (7) gallon container. My intention several years ago was to plant this in the ground but I have since run out of room in my yard and I have already grafted this excellent variety onto sever other older existing mango Trees. The key is this has been grafted to the right rootstock and should do very well once in the ground.


After numerous grafting failures this year from Florida purchased scions I finally broke down and bought a Sugarloaf (E-4) mango tree (See 1st photo) which will go into my greenhouse and provide many fresh scions for 2022 grafting. I Will graft E-4 to my Coconut cream and other mango seedling trees already in the ground. Being able to prepare and graft fresh scions from your own tree has given me a much higher success rate for grafting. I am really looking forward to trying this fruit in a few years.

Also just purchased two Pina Colada Mango Seedling plants that germinated earlier this summer from a seller on Ebay (See 2nd & 3rd photo). They are sold out now but as soon as I saw the new ad I jumped on it. These should also grow well in my greenhouse and the seeds are Poly. The original cost for the small seedlings was $25 each including shipping to California.


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Sugarloaf (E-4) Mango Tree

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Pina Colada Mango Seedling

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2nd Pina Colada Seedling

Hey Simon,

I will let you know in the future regarding the 0-15 mango. In 2020 I grafted it onto two mango seedling trees, one inland in Alhambra and another to my manila seedling rootstock at my HB location. I just planted my 0-15 in the ground this summer and it completed its first growth flush and is doing well. Planted it to the West of my Coconut Cream mango tree. (See 1st photo)

My Orange Sherbet mango tree on altaulfo, in 15 gallon, is just now finishing a fall flush. I Will likely have to move this to a 30" tree box since I am now out of room at my location for planting in the ground.


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0-15 Mango Tree (10-4-2021)

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Orange Sherbet Mango Tree on Ataulfo (10-7-2021)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 06, 2021, 07:56:32 PM »

Your description of the Sweet Tart nubbins is consistent with my eating experience with this fruit.

Just ate a larger standard sweet Tart fruit grown more inland in Alhambra and it was excellent with a viable seed which I am starting to germinate indoors. In contrast, the nubbins I had last month had even a more intense sweeter flavor with excellent complexity. Between the two the nubbins were superior in flavor and sweetness in my opinion. Just more supercharged and condensed. The nubbin sweet-tart fruit was much smaller in size though so there is a trade-off.


The Mango feeder roots have a limited amount of oxygen and available nutrients due to close proximity of concrete.

Not something I would do but let us know how it works out in 3-5 years. Will be interesting. The health of the mango root system determines, to a large extent, the health of the tree.


The Root-stock was Rich 16-6. It worked well on two Yosemite Gold trees I grafted. Also worked well on other Citrus.

Enclosed is a photo of the 10-year-old Yosemite Gold Mandarin mother tree on C-35. Wish I would have used a smaller root-stock in retrospect. Consistently productive the last four years. in 2021 we got over 200+ fruit.  No major alternative bearing tendencies.


Yosemite Gold on C-35 on 8-28-2021

Try Apples and Cherrys in Feb-March in dormancy. They are the easiest to graft successfully with the highest take rates. Cleft grafts work well.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 24, 2021, 10:11:16 PM »
Thanks, Simon. I know E-4 is a great mango. Will try to graft again next year. Luckily I still have many top-tier mangos growing on my property. Glad you were able to get fruit and give us your opinion on the E-4 fruit grown in SoCal.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 24, 2021, 01:07:41 PM »
Hey Simon,

My Coconut Cream has to fruit over the next year or two. I do have patience but I don't want to wait 8-10 years after grafting to get a few mangos. Not worth it to me when other varieties are much more productive at an earlier age. I have already top worked 1/3 of the CC tree to Seacrest and Guava Mango. The manila root-stock appears vigorous so what I graft to this tree should do well. Will keep you posted on what happens in 2022 and 2023 regarding fruit formation on this tree.

One good thing about CC is that from June to October the tree is always flushing somewhere. Always getting new growth and branch formation. I wish all my mango trees grew this well. This year I have been trimming downward and side growing branches forcing new vertical growth on my coconut cream. Hopefully fruiting soon.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 23, 2021, 08:57:28 PM »
Thanks for four detailed explanations of droopyness on mango trees, Simon.

If my Coconut Cream mango tree produces next year I would be excited to taste this variety. In 2021 it bloomed heavily but no fruit. Five-year-old tree.  Enclosed are a few photos of my Coconut Cream mano Tree with a few Seacrest Grafts which are growing more vertically.

My E-4 grafts failed this year to my older and more established mango seedling trees. Likely due to a lack of heat and a very cool and mild summer at my location.

I guess Seedless mango fruit is becoming more common here in SoCal. My Sweet Tart fruit was that way but still excellent tasting. The hype is justified on that variety. Until you tasted a Sweet Tart you have yet to experience a truly top-tier indo Chinese mango. 


Coconut Cream Mango Tree on Manila Root-stock

Coconut Cream & Seacrest

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 21, 2021, 03:12:43 PM »
An excellent report on your Sweet Tart. Eating mine was an awesome experience too. I have another one ripening now on the counter and will be picking up (2) more at my Brother-in-laws house next week.

If I can solve the pollination issue in 2022 and should have over 40+ fruits on my tree next year.

Good Luck with your tree.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 15, 2021, 09:01:20 PM »
The best time to start growing Mango Seedlings is April-June in SoCal based on my experience. I usually start them in 5-gallon pots. Move them up to seven-gallon containers a year later. Never tried to start mango seeds this late in the season. We are heading into the cool months soon and growth will stop by late November. Not sure how they will work for you. Pots are easier as you can move the small plants inside if necessary to keep them warm during the coldest periods. Greenhouses are better yet. Let us know how they work out. Hopefully, you will have some survivors. 


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 15, 2021, 10:58:31 AM »
Hey Victoria,

Unfortunately, the Sweet Tart seeds are not viable. Underdeveloped embryo. Actually, I was lucky to get any fruit this year considering the poor pollination in early spring. Changing my micronutrient application for all of my mango trees and as previously mentioned pulling early flowers off my ST next year. If I can ever get this tree to consistently produce this tree would be worth its weight in gold for me.

If I was growing from seed good candidates are Cac, Seacrest, and Guava. All three grow fast at my coastal location and would even do better in your area. I would contact some of our Florida mango munching friends in June-July next year to see if you can get some seeds. I would get at least 6-8 of each and select the best one or two for planting in the ground.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 14, 2021, 07:13:50 PM »
Just a quick update on my Sweet Tart Mango Tree. Only (3) fruit made it without major cracking issues in 2021. I picked one fruit three days ago and let it ripened off the tree. Just ate it today. Fantastic tasting mango even if it was slightly on the overripe side. Deep orange color with a rich and complex taste, juicy. I did not detect any tartness likely due to the overripeness but never the less it was a great tasting mango. I could eat these all day. This and the Indian Grown Alphonso tie as the best tasting mangos I have had. Now I can see why this cultivar is hyped and mine was not even likely at peak flavor. A great mango indeed. I hope for a better crop in 2022. I applied some calcium to the root system of my tree and hopefully, this will help next year.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stop young mango from flowering
« on: September 09, 2021, 12:07:35 PM »
Yea hear in SoCal mango trees tend to grow slowly anyway and excessive flowering takes a four-cylinder subcompact car and turns it into a two-cylinder vehicle. In general 2.5 years of California growth are equivalent to one Florida year. The Pacific ocean influence really slows us down from a growth perspective especially if you are close to the coast in SoCal.


For Sale is my very nice and healthy grafted semi-dwarf Yosemite Gold mandarin Tree in a 7 gallon pot. I have taken good care of it with regular feedings of organic fertilizer. It is ready to go into the ground now. Should take off next year once established. The lower root system is well developed and very healthy. This is my favorite tangerine tree. The mother tree I grafted this from has been produced consistently for the past 7-8 years. Large seedless fruit with a sweet and very rich flavor. Excellent citrus tree.

Local pick-up in Huntington Beach, Calif. Cash only. Only one tree is available.

See the attached photos.

Price : $80 Firm (SOLD)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Mango Scions and Grafting
« on: August 22, 2021, 08:26:49 AM »
If your rootstock is strong and healthy and the root system of your mango tree is robust then I would allow 3-4 shoots to form just below your graft and let the shoots grow this year (2021) for grafting in 2022. A strong tree can easily support multiple young shoots and a young graft.

If the mango tree is young with a weak or immature root system then I would remove all growth below the graft and focus the tree's resources toward the new graft only. Each situation is different and this largely depends on the quality and vigor of the mango rootstock that is used. You have to use your best judgment to determine that.

Removing the lower branches was good since those were essentially suckers taking away growth and vigor from the upper branching.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Linda macadamia nut
« on: August 21, 2021, 08:53:07 PM »
I love my Beaumont Macadamia Nut tree. Beautiful growth and excellent nut quality. Probably the best nut tree for SoCal growing in our mild climate.

It is ironic in that I spend much time and effort on trying to grow mango trees and thus far have little to show for it. I spend little time on my Beaumont Mac tree and have much worthwhile. 

The photo was just taken to illustrate. The tree is 10 years old.


Grafted Beaumont Macadamia Nut Tree (8-20-2021)


I keep a photo record of all the fruit trees. Looks like I hit peak bloom in mid to late March 2021 at my location with this grafted Sweet-Tart. Below are a few photos from early, mid, and late March. At my other more inland location I am not getting fruit crack so I believe the cooler temps and earlier blooming at my location has something to do with the fruit splits with no seed.


Sweet Tart Early Bloom (3-3-2021)

Sweet Tart March Bloom (3-13-2021

Sweet Tart Bloom Close up 3-13-2021

Sweet Tart Bloom 3-25-2021

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