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My wife bought some fruits from a store in Little Saigon down in Orange County, SoCal yesterday. She told me $15/lb. I have only one as she gave the rest to other relatives. They must be air shipped from VN as the fruit looks so fresh with the green stem (about 3mm section near the base and the remain is brown) attached. I was so surprised that the short stem didn't break off during the long journey and changing hands. I also have never seen a mature mango with part of the stem still green. One special characteristic of CHL is its 10mm dark circle around the stem, as seen in these pics I took. My goal is to grow a seedling from seed. Have anyone tried them before?






I just learned both CHL and Cat Chu have similar dark circle around the stem, so how to differentiate them? This video shows CHL has the navel at the bend about 1" from the beak. The lady said those mangoes were picked from tree yesterday and they are CHL. Notice the green stems, as I don't remember my mangoes grown in SoCal  had the green stems when ready to pick.
https://youtu.be/PtjHMQjpExA

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Last months I picked some fruits from my sister house, set on table for ripening. Then 4 days later all fruits with skin turn black and looked like dried out. My theory is that due to low humidity in the room. You guys have any ideas?

The fruit were all mature with rattling seeds inside when shaking.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: my first taste of Sweet Tart
« on: October 28, 2021, 06:21:15 PM »
The 2 or 3 yrs old graft gave us 2 good size fruits this year. We ate one this morning and it was so good. Perfect texture, very dense, and the sweet and tart was perfectly balance. I ate Edward and ST is just much better. I will top off the Edward and graft ST on it. No perfume but just great taste. It reminds me of the old memory of how some Vietnamese great mangoes tasted like, and how the compact seed with brush bristles like fiber on the seed hush. I bet it has VN mangoes in its genes. Anyone know its lineage?

I am still waiting for my Lemon zest to ripe; 5 or 6 big fruits still on the tree and the squirrels were chirping around. I don't think they have tasted a mango yet, but one of them had bit on couple green LZ few weeks ago when they jumped from the Longan tree over to the mango tree. I immediately covered up the mangoes with aluminum foil hoping to distract them. But one day I saw one aluminum foil on the ground and ran looking for the dropped fruit, as I didn't believe the squirrel could carry the big fruit away moving on the trees.  No where to be found within 5 feet radius, and it was a mystery of where was the fruit. Moment later I found it 7 feet away under the Longan tree with no bite marks or even a small bruise from falling on the hard pavers. Who moved it 7 feet away? Not even a scratch from the squirrel sharp teeth or claws. Can the squirrel carry it with front paws and walked on hind legs?
I need to eliminate this squirrel before all of them know how great a ripen mango taste like.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: weird looking Imam Pasand
« on: October 24, 2021, 08:53:36 PM »
The 8 year old tree is a very slower grower bought from Top, Florida, and it is 2 feet tall and 4 feet wide, hugging the ground like a tomato vine. This year it has two big fruits: one has normal shape and this one I picked today. For the last 3 years or so, it only gave 2 big fruits every year -- very consistent like it knows how to count.

Don't know if it has two seeds or just one. IP is one of the best tasting mango from India

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: how to pick them from the tree?
« on: October 20, 2021, 05:02:30 PM »
I know some suggested that holding the fruit and tilt it a little and if it snapped off the stem then it's ready. This is a good way to judge its maturity, but snap off the stem near the fruit base will empty its blood (the oily juice with strong perfume and sometime sweet). I always cut the stem off with around 1/2" stem attached on fruit to prevent the juice flow out.

How do you pick them?

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I bought a Cat Hoa Loc from Top but it was a mislabeled tree. The fruits look similar to Maha but a little bigger, less 'S' shape, not smell strong as Maha, and mostly yellow with less red blush as Maha near the stem . I'd like to know what it is.
Sorry I didn't take pic and season was over, but I still have some Maha on the trees.

Any ideas?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: Lancetilla vs Valencia Pride
« on: October 19, 2021, 06:22:01 PM »
I have both and L is normally larger than V, but when they are same size, I cannot tell the difference. I also cannot tell base on the taste as after put the fruits together I can't ID which is which.
Anyone?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: ST Maui, do you like it?
« on: October 18, 2021, 08:53:37 PM »
This year I have 3 big fruits -- big one like 2 lbs -- the first time from a 3 years old graft. Very interesting taste, with more flesh to seed ratio. I don't see much discussion about this variety on the forum. It has perfect balance of sweet and acidity, with a nice perfume of something like Kesar.  The last one still on the tree today. It is in SoCal.

Scions bought from Alex.

Fruit looks like a giant apple:
https://i.postimg.cc/0ysByRfK/5-EFF422-C-7-F98-42-EB-8-B6-F-F1333-C7-B51-C3.jpg




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: Lemon Zest tasted chalky?
« on: September 30, 2021, 05:23:36 PM »
This morning I found a large yellow fruit dropped on ground. It's in the early stage of ripening (I like to eat Maha in this state before the flesh turned to jelly seed state). Cut it up and ate a piece. The texture was kind of chalky, and I remember I had the same taste last year also. Is this chalky texture/taste is part of LZ, or what is the best time to enjoy the best it can offer?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mangoes: Is it a blessing to grow them in SoCal?
« on: September 02, 2021, 03:10:23 AM »
In the early years of growing mangoes in SoCal, with so much failures that I was discouraged and jealous with the mangoes in FL. But now I think as the backyard growers, we are blessed with the dry climate during fruiting months, cold enough winter for flowering, and plenty of sunlight, and our fruits probably taste better than the likely washed out FL mangoes with the uncontrollable summer rains.

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I'm learning to pick some hard fruits but with filled up shoulder to be shipped to a friend. I normally pick when it gives to a squeeze. So do you think the shoulders are filled up and ready to ripe within a week after picked?
ST Maui:


Peach Cobbler:


Maha are not ready but I just want to show the changing color and the good size. I think they will be ready when it turned yellow and maybe some red tint.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: please donít laugh at my Okrung
« on: August 31, 2021, 03:40:18 PM »
Tree ripen with disfigured thing. I Will filet the 2 cheeks with skin intact, then cut each cheek lengthwise and eat it as orange wedge; dig into the peel as far as I like.

I think great mangoes should be cut this way to enjoy the flavor closer to the skin.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 01:42:46 AM »
I had noticed that all of my LZ green fruits, even 4" long, got sun burned easy in 90+ F SoCal summer, while others such as  Peach Cobbler and Okrung are doing fine. The ones got some shade from the leaves are fine. Next year I will shade the direct sun fruits with papers. Do you guys have the same experience with LZ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Anyone have Red Jackfruit in US?
« on: August 27, 2021, 03:31:26 PM »
This Vietnamese farmer wanted to please the cameraman even he said the jack was not quite ready yet. If you have one in your yard, how good is the fruit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJ2YwZqWB4

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango id please: ST Maui or alphonso?
« on: August 22, 2021, 04:53:50 PM »
I grafted a few scions bought from Alex of Tropicalfarm 3 years ago and now those grafts holding fruits. I believe these fruits are either ST Maui (Alex's Scion) or Alphonso, but I'm not sure which one. When some of the small fruits dropped I crushed and smelled them -- the smell was a very strong Indian type, like Himam Pasand and so I think they are Alphonso. But does ST Maui also smell Indian mango -- my guess is not?
Thanks.





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I had eaten a few SoCal grown Iman Pasand from my tree, and it has the strong unique Indian aroma when cut open and in the mouth. This year I will surely -- unless God is going to knock them off  before ripen --  have some JK and Alphonso to eat and compare with Iman Pasand. I had cut open the 3 varieties dropped green fruits, and they all smelled similar with that unique Indian aroma.  Are they all having similar aroma when ripen, and do all Indian mangoes have this unique smell?

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This morning went out and saw this Ė it ruined my day otherwise a beautiful high humidity in mid 80sF.
For a moment my blood was boiling thinking the rat or squirrel did this, but upon a closer look there was no biting marks on the green fruits nor the stem. The whole eight Okrung-Tong cluter just broke off from the 2nd node (not on the terminal tip) under their own weight. I should have used shoe string to support the stem and pull it to the bigger branch.
 
The lesson: on those unusual many fruit stem, make sure to use string to support the stem especially if it is not the terminal stem.
 
Those fruits need one more month to ripen properly. What is a good way to eat them now?


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Someone in Vietnam I think, decided to build this structure right at the big tree, but saved the tree from the ax and had the tree top protruded up the roof. It's amazing to see so many good looking fruits under the roof popped out from the larger branch which is unusual -- more like Jackfruit fruiting habit.

https://kenh14cdn.com/thumb_w/620/203336854389633024/2021/6/30/x1-16250480909471416373940.jpeg

https://kenh14cdn.com/thumb_w/620/203336854389633024/2021/6/30/x2-1625048091010883662504.jpeg


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango LZ seedless
« on: June 22, 2021, 06:16:01 PM »
This year all of my LS  and many Okrung-Tong young fruits split due to no seed inside. I think this is due to the cold weather during flowering causing bad embryo. Who else is having  this problem?

Maybe next year I will strip off all flowers until mid March.



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I have been in the heat spell last 3 days. I was a bit surprised that my Edward young fruits got burned and shrank in 94F and low humidity last Sunday. Maha, Peach cobbler, and other variety are ok. They are a little smaller than a chicken egg. Young Edward fruits are a little wrinkly or not smooth skin, and growing faster than other fruits.

I ended up taping a 3x4" paper to shade each fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Do you like Alphonso mango fruits?
« on: June 07, 2021, 06:48:44 PM »
This year I finally will have some Alphonso to taste for the first time in my life. This morning I crushed one thumb size that aborted and its smell reminded me of the Iman Pasand but the latter is 4x stronger than the former. If you like Alphonso then I think you will also like the creamy buttery  Pasand. For me, Iman Pasand is a very slow grow tree, perfect for those with small space.

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I bought a 7 gal tree last year -- newly cut air-layer --  and it's time to plant it on ground.
As all air-layer the young tree has roots developed way under the top soil level in the container pot, and so should I clear off the top soil until the root exposed and plant it with the top roots level with the top soil?

I understand that most people instructed to plant the new tree at the same level with the soil, but this seems wrong as the soil cover the bark and not where the top roots, and this can lead to rot.

Edited: I believe it is 3 gal and not 7 gal as I thought.

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A few years back after my Walter Zill veneer grafts took and I asked what to do with the pruned back short branch stumps above the grafts. Some experienced members said just leave them alone and the tree's natural self compartmentalize mechanism would take care this.

Fast forward to now. The shorten branch above the graft has no reason to be alive and so they are all dead and dried. But the dead wood carries fungus I think (a natural process of wood decaying) which also slowly moving down and killed off the brand that the veneer graft scion attached on. I have to spend many hours to cut off all of the dead wood to stop the deadly process.
(Oak tree expert trimmers make sure no short dead stumps remain and they are all cut off for the tree to grow new bark and cover the cut completely.)

So, instead of cut off the top shorten branch down to the graft node which is fairly easy when it's green and soft, it's now like 100 times more difficult to deal with the hard dried wood.

 Dead wood above the graft continued down more than half the scion:

Doing the surgery with sharp wire cutter:

Final result:

I should have cut the top branch down to this point after the graft took:


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I had noticed that every year my PC was the last one to flower in March to April in SoCal. This is the perfect time in the season with warmer days and the fruitlets developed properly. Those that flower in January and Feb would have more PM and more undeveloped fruits. So I will synchronize all other trees to my PC flower timing by cutting off their early flowers off.

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I planned this Maha grafted tree -- bought from Toptropical in FL --  in ground 7 yrs ago and it is only 24" tall. I finally dug it up and planted a small seedling to graft on after it having fruits. The rootstock from FL is kind of weird: Peach Cobbler and Lancetilla are 11 ft tall while Maha only 24".



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