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Gentle TFF Mango Aficionados, with the recent threads about mango bloomspike initiation I am moved to ask:

Generally speaking, is there much diference between the inception time of flowering for mangoes in zone 9b vs zone 10?

Or would the flowerspikke initiation be more related to the particular cultivar of mango that's involved?

I ask because I've only had my 4 mango cultivars* for one season now and haven't been able to find anything related to my question on here or online.

Comments appreciated!

Paul M.
Tampa, FL
Zone 9b
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* BEVERLY, FAIRCHILD, ICE CREAM, IRWIN
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Gentle TFF Members,

Since there always seems to be a lot of discussion about mango cultivars on this group I was hoping to get some feedback from the members about any mango cultivars which are considered dwarf or semi-dwarf trees and which would be suitable for zone 9b.

I have these four cultivars now:

Beverly
Faiechild
Ice Cream
Irwin's

Are these decent choices for dwarf or semi-dwarf varieties?

What other cultivars would you recommend which are touted as dwarf or semi-dwarf varieties?   (Someone already suggested Pickering.)

I plan to keep my manngo cultivars pruned to about eight feet max.

TIA

Paul M.
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Hello All,

My Eugenia stipitata (araçá-boi) is in bud right now (Sept 1st).  It has been in a 7 gallon pot all this season and made it through the hottest part of the summer with only a bit of leaf-tip burn.  It's gotten plenty of water during our Florida rainy season.

If anyone else is growing this species I'd very much like to learn what is your experience with it?  Does yours bloom more than once a year?  Also I cannot find much detailed info on the culture of this species.  Does it seem to benefit from fertilization?  What kind?  How frequently?

This plant came from TT in Ft. Myers about a year ago.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Now with 'TS Elsa' about to bring a bunch of rain to us here in west central Florida, I am wondering how all that water may affect the ripening of my 'Ice Cream' mango fruit....  And whether it might cause any change in their flavor.

There are two fruit remaining hanging on my 6-ft tall plant, each about 3.5 to 4-inches in diameter, both still a pale green color.  Haven't seen any change in color of the skin of either fruit in the last days.  What should I be looking for as an incidator that these are ready to pick?

Anyone here in 9b growing 'Ice Cream' and have some observations on this, please...

TIA

Paul M.
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MOVED HERE TO PROPER GROUP TO GET MORE DISCUSSION . . . . .
(Sorry to have first posted this on FS & WTB)

'Mexicola Grande' Avocado ripening questions . . .
 

My 'Mexicola Grande' has set a couple dozen little fruit this season finally after two abortive years.  Tree is about 16-ft tall after 3.5 years in the ground.  Tree will get pruned back to about 8- to 10-ft after this first little crop ripens and is picked.

We are getting plenty of rain right now in Tampa where I am but that is now and not in Sept-Oct when 'Mexicola Grande' fruits are supposed to start ripening. At that time there may be more or less rain when the fruit starts to ripen.

So, since this is my first crop on this avocado what I would like to know from those of you growing MG here in west central Florida is:

1]  If it is rainy still when they start to ripen will that diminish their flavor in some way?

2]  Will this 1st-time crop (with the stated size of the tree) be more or less representative of the way this fruit should taste moving forward to subsequent years' crops?  I.e., should I expect the flavor to improve over the following years?

3]  When should I expect these 'Mexicola Grande' to usually start to ripen here in Tampa?  Anyone growing it in this area care to comment on this point?  When do yours ripen?


OK — TIA

Paul M.
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THIS QUESTION MOVED TO TFF DISCUSSION PAGE BY O.P.- q.v.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango flavor . . .
« on: June 16, 2021, 02:04:09 AM »
Is there such a thing as a basic, decent mango 'mango flavor' that is mango alone?  Maybe that could be better termed as a true, simple mango flavor.

I see all sorts of descriptive variations on the flavors of mangoes, including cultivar names which suggest a particular flavor variation: Lemon Zest, Orange Sherbet, Cotton Candy, et al.

Also I am reading on here that fertilizing (or not) and the weather can alter the flavor of some cultivars fron year to year.

So anyway, if there is a true simple basic mango flavor then which cultivars best represent that basic mango flavor?

I ask because I have not found this as the dedicated topic of discussion in any thread here.

Curious minds and all that . . . .

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia hombroniana - question
« on: June 01, 2021, 01:52:51 AM »
Does anyone know for certain whether Garcinia hombroniana is synonymous with G. celebica? My research is inconclusive on this point.

And even if they are considered synonymous, are there any physiical differences because they are different regional races of the same species?

Enquiring minds and all that . . . .

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help - Is it too late to top my guava?
« on: May 28, 2021, 02:09:49 AM »
Is it too late to top my guava 'Ruby Supreme'?  It's gotten to about eight feet tall and the June bloom season is coming soon.

So, if I were to lop off about three to four feet off the top right now, leaving the plant about four or five feet tall, would it still fruit?  It has not begun to flower as of yet.

It's in sandy Florida soil with about six inches of leaf mulch over that.

Advice?  Suggestions?

Paul M.
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How should ilama seeds be treated before planting for best germination, if:

1]  they are very recently harvested (within a mont or two), or . . .

2]  if they were harvested the previous season (like three or four months earlier)?

Is a hot water soak advised and allowing them to remain overnight soaking after the hot water has cooled down?

Or should they just be planted and trust to luck?

Enquiring minds and all that ...

Paul M.
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I got a Eugenia stipitata last year from TT.  It grew well 'til this past cold season then got some leaf burn and lost the first few buds it was starting.

I understood that this species is supposed to bloom year round as long as it remains warm.  Now that it is warm again it's growing well but so far no buds or blooms.

To encourage blooming does this species benefit from fertilizing?  Or extra water?  Or a drying off period?  Or maybe it's just seasonal after all.

Anyone on here who's growing this species:  How do you get yours to bloom and set fruit for you?

Mine's in a 7-gallon pot and in mostly full sun.  Gets plenty of water.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 'Egg of the Sun' mango . . .
« on: May 13, 2021, 06:17:58 PM »
(snip) Do they ripen and taste normal? Perhaps these could generate as much interest as the Egg of the Sun mangos??

How does the 'Egg of the Sun' cultivar fit in with the deformed or bizarrely shaped mangos discussed in an earlier thread?

Isn't 'EotS' cultivar the same as 'Irwin'?  Somewhere I read that 'Irwin' is 'the most expensive mango in the world'.  Why would that be the case.  I cannot find anywhere where it explains why.

Just curious . . .

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Abius - In shade or out in sun, when?
« on: May 13, 2021, 05:08:44 AM »
My abius are in half gallon pots and are about 8 to 10 inches tall.

They seem healthy enough but I've kept them pretty shady.  They are recovering from being very recently moved up into their larger (1/2 gal.) pots and are just starting to show some new leaf growth.

How soon would it be advisable to start moving the abius into brighter sunlight –or at least into less shade?

And as a tangential question, I have several green sapotes, also currently being kept in 50% shade.  They are about 12 to 14 inches tall and sturdy.  When should I start to increase their sunlight?

Suggestions, advice, please . . .

Paul M.
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As Pouterias go how do these stack up for ease of culture in 9b and
for quality/flavor of fruit?:

Ross  /  Butterscotch  /   Alano  /  etc.

VS

Pouteria viridis

Just curious.

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Problem with 'Sabará' – need advice!
« on: April 22, 2021, 01:00:39 AM »
A sabará was received in late summer of 2020 in a three gallon pot and was about two feet tall and a foot and a half in diameter.  Seemed perfectly healthy and grew new leaves so no concerns with it.

Suddenly early in March all its leaves dried up and turned a light brown but did not fall from the plant which always seems a bad sign.  Only a few very tiny green leaves remained at the tips of some of the branches.

Then I began to water it more and in about two weeks all the dead leaves began to drop and new leaves started to grow.  Now the sabará is all lush and green again.

So..... 

Is this typical of sabará during winter time?

Should it by now –closing on a year after its receipt– be moved up into a five gallon pot?

I want to put it into the ground but don't know how large these get in zone 9b in Florida, especially in my sandy soil.

Suggestions, please & advice . . . .

Paul M.
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Just ordered several seedling of this species.  So, were four seedlings enough? 

I recently read that this species is dioecious but am now wondering whether the species is strictly so, or whether some individuals produce perfect fowers –or maybe in some casses produce flowers of each sex together on one individual?

Enquiring minds and all that rot.

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pineapple Anonna setting fruit . . . .
« on: April 19, 2021, 03:36:28 AM »
Got this thing from TT in Nov.'20.  It was in a 1 gal. pot.  In early March it got moved up into a 3 gal. pot and was shortly put out into more sunlight.

Now after about six weeks in the larger pot I discovered that it has set half a dozen fruits which are already the size of a marble.  The 'tree' is closing on three feet tall.  Had no idea that these could be so precocious.

Hopefully it will hold some of the fruit and I'll get to try them.  Of course they may be unsatisfactory as others on here have warned that this may just be a yellow-fleshed A. glabra and not especially tasty, but we shall see.

I also have an A. montana which is still in a one gal. pot, also from TT.  Guess it may also benefit from being moved up into a three gal., but will it fruit?  If a move into a larger pot encourages it to do so will let you know.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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The one fruit on my Canistel, a 'Trompo' fell off sometime Monday during a rain storm and I found it lying on the leafmulch in the flower bed next to the tree.  The stem end of the fruit had split a little and a of bit old, wet leafmulch got into the little splits in the skin near where the stem had separated.

Took the fruit into the house and gently rinsed the leaves off the fruit and put it into the 'fridge.  But I am not sure that it should be left in the 'fridge overnight.  The 'fridge is set about about 40ºF.

The fruit is quite soft so I wasn't comfortable leaving it out on the kitchen table cuz I don't want it to go bad on me.  There doesn't seem to be any latex apparent due to the skin breaks, so I guess that means that it is ripe.  But maybe if it is wrapped loosely in some soft paper toweling it can be left out on the table overnight.

This is the first canistel that I've had ripen on the tree and it fell off sooner than expected.  Need to know the best way to keep it 'till it is ready to eat.  The skin is bright yellow with just the very slightest hint of orange color. 

Will I need to use it quickly?  How soon??

Comments?  Suggestions??

TIA

Paul M.
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My three mango cultivars, all in 7 gallon pots had no problems wth the cold here in Tampa this winter.  They each made flower spikes in early March, but . . .

The 'Irwin' made one infloresence that got knocked off accidentally and it did not bother to throw out another one.

The 'Beverly', the tallest one of the three at 6 to 7 feet, threw a terminal inflorescence and one lateral and bloomed profusely but set no fruit.

The 'Ice Cream' made about six modest sized inflorescences and set about ten fruit between them.  They are small, only the size of English peas at the tme if this writing and look okay but I don't know if they will all hold. This is my first experience with trying to grow mangoes here in Tampa so I am keeping my fingers crossed that 'Ice Cream' will hold these few fruit.

I don't expect any fruit on the other two cultivars since the flowers are all finsihed and have dropped.

So far my mango trees' leaves are blemish free and the plants appear happy. But since this is my first foray into growing mangoes I would welcome any cultural advice y'all might could offer to a rank mango newbie.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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"Amazon River Fruits"; paperback; Missouri Botanical Gardens Press; pub. 2007.

This book describes a number of interesting fruits found in the western Amazon Basin, various of which are not widely –if at all– in cultivation.  Many useful photos of these fruits are included, a surprising number of which are palms.

But species from a large number of other fruit families are also covered in this volume.

One species that is covered in this book and which may be of interest to others is Rollinia mucosa (syns. R. deliciosa; Annona deliciosa) with a discussion of its habitat and its popularity with the indigenous peoples of the basin as a dooryard fruit tree. The text eplains how the fruits of this species differ depending upon the area of the Basin they are being grown in.  The habitat descriptions for this particular species as covered in this volume will be instrumental for those of us TFF Members who wish to successfully grow this species which is called in Portuguese, 'biribá'.

Those interested in growing the biribá will find it on page 34-35 of this volume.

I have been given to understand that this book may go out-of-print soon so, just a word to the wise.

Paul M.
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For those of us where space matters and who have only a city lot to grow our tropical fruit on, which would be some ideally recommended mango cultivars that are dwarf, semi-dwarf, or Condo options? 

This would be for zone 9b and let's estimate that only three or four smaller mango trees would be the max that could fit on the lot (along with all the other stuff).

Ideally cultivars which are precocious, have decent flavor, and aren't prima donnas about culture and are not prone to disease would be ideal. Also it would be helpful to have cultivars which have their ripening times spread out over the season.

Suggestions?

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Improving Pond Apple — Any Attempts?
« on: February 26, 2021, 11:38:31 PM »
With the various comments and discussions over time ref Annona glabra (Pond apple) here on TFF, I've got to wondering whether anyone has ever taken this taxon in hand and seriously tried to improve it.

Improvement perhaps by means of the crossing of any of the better tasting individuals, or by out-crossing A. glabra with related species of Annona that have decent flavor.

Of course there is that one costarrican variety called 'Golden Sugar Apple' or 'Golden Honey Sugar Apple' which is considered by many as just a random variety of pond apple.

I guess what I'm mostly wondering is whether A. glabra has potential enough to be worth trying to improve. (I'm guessing, of course, that those aligators in the 'Glades that eat the fruit in the wild are satisfied with the status quo of this species.)

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Yesterday I discovered that my three mango cultivars are all initiating flowerspikes for the first time.

I have 'Beverly', 'Ice Cream', and 'Irwin' and all are in 7-gal. pots.  Each was chosen because it is either a dwarf or semi-dwarf tree.  'Beverly' is about 5 to 6 feet tall and ther other two are about four feet tall. 

I have not given them any fertilizer containing nitrogen, except one time in July or August and then it was a VERY SCANT application.

But with me still being a 'mango novice' and now that they are each pushing inflorescences, should these three mango cultivars be fertilized at all?  If so, with what?  And how much?  And when?

So, help please.

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pruning 'Gefner' (and Annonas in general) . . .
« on: February 17, 2021, 07:06:34 PM »
My 'Gefner' has finally dropped all its leaves and with all the recent cool weather –and now lots of rain, too here in Tampa– it is just beginning to push/swell new leaves at all its nodes.

My tree is in a five gal. pot and is itself about 4 feet tall.  It has about 8 or so lateral/horizontal branches that are about 1 to 2 feet long and all of them are about 1/4-inch in diameter, or smaller.

I'm told that it is important to prune these side branches back to create sturdier growth for the coming season –but, trim off  about how much??  I'm thinking about leaving 6 to 8 inches after pruning all the side branches.

Does this sound about right to all our Annona fans out there?

TIA

Paul M.
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PS - Should I prune my biribá, sugar apples, and my Ilama the same way once their leaf buds start swelling?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pruning 'Gefner' (and Annonas in general) . . .
« on: February 17, 2021, 10:38:32 AM »
My 'Gefner' has finally dropped all its leaves and with all the recent cool weather –and now lots of rain, too here in Tampa– it is just beginning to push/swell new leaves at all its nodes.

My tree is in a five gal. pot and is itself about 4 feet tall.  It has about 8 or so lateral/horizontal branches that are about 1 to 2 feet long and all of them are about 1/4-inch in diameter, or smaller.

I'm told that it is important to prune these side branches back to create sturdier growth for the coming season –but, trim off  about how much??  I'm thinking about leaving 6 to 8 inches after pruning all the side branches.

Does this sound about right to all our Annona fans out there?

TIA

Paul M.
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PS - Should I prune my biribá, sugar apples, and my Ilama the same way once their leaf buds start swelling?
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