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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: November 07, 2021, 11:46:44 AM »
Hershell at madison Citrus says that he is working on getting this one re-introduced, so maybe in a year or two...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: November 04, 2021, 05:23:10 PM »
That variety is not common. I think Buchanan's nursery in Texas used to have it often. I have a seedling one that started fruiting with 1 fruit this year.  Unfortunately since ga is now in quarantine,  there's no way for me to share it. Maybe one of the nurseries in ga might take the budwood from me and start certification.  But you still won't get it from them if you live in ca, fl, TX, la, etc...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Collins Poncirus processing
« on: October 31, 2021, 11:53:15 AM »
So what exactly will you be doing with this juice?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus in Ga?
« on: October 23, 2021, 04:19:23 PM »
Zombie update, but now ships withing Georgia..

Wow! The things that people will buy down here!
I wonder how much money these people make from selling this?<br /><br />

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 19, 2021, 07:25:46 PM »
Attached is a picture of a store bought Eureka vs Sudachi vs Thomasville <br /><br />

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 16, 2021, 07:36:36 PM »
I didn't get Lime taste from the sudachi at all. It was very mandarin tasting. Maybe I should have picked them in July, or maybe this isn't actually Sudachi. I do know that Sudachi is usually picked hard green, but this wasn't even at a color break yet...

The Citrangequat has been in ground for 7 years and has done well. The Sudachi does seem to be a very slow grower. It will remain in a pot so that I can take it with me later.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 16, 2021, 12:35:00 PM »
Ok, so Today I decided to pick one of my Sudachi and one of my citrangequats to compare since I will be moving in a few years.
I unfortunately didn't measure the weight of the fruit before hand.

The Sudachi was 3 times the size of the Thomasville, but the thomasville was definitely more juicy. The Sudachi gave exactly 1 Teaspoon (measured) of juice.  The Thomasville have slightly over 1 teaspoon.

I put the juice in 2 separate cups, and made an ade. 1 teaspoon of simple syruo (1:1 sugar and water), with 3 teaspoons of water.

I marked the cups and put some ice in it, and served to my wife and son.

Interestingly, both my wife and son preferred the Thomasville to the Sudachi-ade. Both said that the Sudachi was more orange-y. 
The Zest of the sudachi was more unique to me. I did taste that slight pepper flavor that people mention. The thomasville zest of course had that citrange component, so I wouldn't try to use that zest in anything.

If the Thomasville zest tasted better, I think it would be a clear winner. More juice, more acid taste, and it's proven more hardy. Juice wise, it's still more useful. I'll try this again when they're both yellow ripe.

Next test will probably be meyer lemons vs ichang lemons...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Moving Citrus?
« on: September 15, 2021, 10:17:27 PM »
So my yuzuquat that I thought dead has recovered very quickly and vigourously. It is way too close to my zombie meyer lemon that won't die. I was thinking of removing one of my pomegranates to put the yuzuquat there. Should I do this in the fall/winter or wait until spring?

I know it'll probably sulk for a few years, which I hate since it just fruited, but those thorns are too vicious to leave nearby..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flowering times on citrangequat?
« on: August 19, 2021, 05:18:45 PM »
Since our previous frosts don't come through till November/December, I think these might make it. Especially since they are best green. Let's see....

Cold Hardy Citrus / Flowering times on citrangequat?
« on: August 14, 2021, 01:11:58 PM »
Hey all,

I went outside yesterday, and noticed that my Thomasville was putting out several more flowers. I don't remember it flowering this late in the year before, even with several dozen fruits on it. Is this the kumquat heritage showing or maybe the extreme heat this year?

Even the Meyer lemon has stopped flowering...

South Florida doesn't have a lot of chill hours (pomegranates need some chill to produce fully). And the fungal diseases are bad in the southeast. In a study by UGA, the ones that did the best with humidity (least fungal infections) and high production were Salavatski and Kaj acik-anor. Kazake also did well, but most other varieties will either have low production or get rot on the fruit.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Best zone 8 hardy citrus
« on: July 29, 2021, 03:32:04 PM »
North Florida, probably sudachi,  calamondin, meyer lemon, Satsuma.  Keep in mind that in Florida, like georgia,  California,  Louisiana,  Texas, it might be illegal to grow citrus from seed. You might be restricted to Florida approved budwood. In that case,  don't think you'll get yuzuquat, yuzvange,  or any of the rarer varieties.

Manfromyard,  thank you.  Great info video  - very valuable.   How about some information on the trees that you grow.  I am aware that you grow citrus outside under tunnel cultivation.

I will have to make a thread and maybe take some pictures.
I actually have Yuzu and Sudachi myself, but will be giving the Yuzu to a friend of mine to cultivate for me.

Currently in ground, Citrangequat, Meyer Lemon, Yuzuquat.

Containerized: Sudachi, Bloomsweet, UGA Ichang and Changsha.

Mr. Duncan posted a nice video showing some hardy citrus being grown outside in Coastal Canada.

The sudachi looks super productive!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus in Ga?
« on: May 10, 2020, 06:52:47 PM »
Check out the Georgia Citrus Association and 1-Dog Ventures. They should have several varieties available :)

They would probably be the best bet, however they don't ship as far as I know so get ready to drive a few hours. They did impose some rules that started in January 2020 here:

I know that 4 winds and Mckenzie had a certificate whenever I used to order. Not sure if it was Aphis or not, and apparently that is now a requirement as of January 1, 2020. I did order most of the varieties I wanted last year just in case something like this was coming. Looks like you can't send material or propagate your own stuff even now, just like California.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Meyer Lemon seed
« on: July 02, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »

I am not far from Peachtree city if that is where you live.
I actually go to Peachtree city every other weekend or so. I have a Meyer that I can give you cuttings from if you’re not too deeply into Fayetteville county.

Awesome job! I have always thought that a citrumelo X ichangensis would be the best bet for a hardy lemon type looking fruit. I am very excited for you and wait for your evaluation on the fruit after ripening!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Changsha mandarin
« on: May 08, 2019, 12:39:25 PM »
2 reasons.  I used to live in Hampton, VA zone 8a and that was the best tasting citrus I could keep alivevanf my first big attempt at gardening.  So, part of it is for sentimental reasons.
Next reason would be that it has the third best to me of any citrus I have eaten, behind AZ sweet oranges and browns select mandarin.

I haven't had as many citrus fruits as you, obviously.
Andrew, you should contact UGA to see if you can get the seedless changsha imported by Arizona agriculture . If you really like it that much.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: The Citrus Family Tree
« on: May 08, 2019, 12:32:03 PM »
To be more serious, this is only about cultivated citrus!.
The cultivated germplasms are very small part of the genetic resource compared to wild citrus.
This theory of four parents can only explain cultivated citrus not wild citrus.

We must be very cautious about all those 'trees'. No use to speak of Tanaka and swingle classifications...  ;)
The modern genetic classifications are breaking everything we were believing in. An example is the papeda family which was centered on Ichang papeda and has been proved completely wrong!
True, indeed. In this article there is no mention of trifoliate citrus or kumquats. So the wild forms are not accounted for here.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer lemon, why?
« on: May 04, 2019, 10:58:43 PM »
I think the main reason it was selected was the cold hardiness of the tree. It definitely can be grown into Zone 8, whereas the Eureka or Lisbon is mainly a zone 9. It does have that aftertaste that can get bad if you let the fruit get overripe. To make a long answer short, it's hard to store since it's so soft, so lower supply makes it seem more attractive and exotic.

It is super productive though. For a zone 8B, you really are forced to choose it...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sudachi cold hardiness
« on: January 04, 2019, 12:07:14 AM »
I'll enhance Socal's reposting above by adding that my Thomasville Citrangequat on FD rootstock also survived 8F (-13.3C)in Vancouver Wa. during the same winter.  It, however, was 70% defoliated and showed more small twig damage than either the Yuzu or the Sudachi.

My Thomasville-obtained from Mackenzie farms- has a nice flavor with little or no bitterness.  I add the juice to my apple-quince sauce.

  Interesting, I guess citrangequat is not a stable line and might not grow true from seeds. The F2 and beyond offsprings could be more cold or less cold tolerant.

  I will try to germinate many citrangequat seeds and at 1 year old I will put most of them outside to eliminate those with less cold tolerant. I think I better get rid of those who have dying potential due to freezing. I also plan to get rid of those which show more of trifilate leaves because I guess those with more trifoliate leaves tend to carry down the sourness and bitterness gene from Poncirus.

USDA tried for along time to get Citrangequat hybrids but no avail. All the seeds are clones, and the pollen appears to be sterile as far as researchers could tell.

Citrangequat is a dead end as far as offspring. Just like mules, a few have offspring, but the vast majority never catch.... Better to go one back and start with a citrange. It'll be somewhat easier...

Heat units are just a measure of how hot it gets. The southeast and Northwest are classified as the same USDA zone in some parts. You have 7a to 8b in both sports. But it gets hotter for longer in the southeast. That added energy allows plants to grow faster and fruit to ripen more quickly.

And I don't have a lot of old seedlings. These are basically the ones from this pfall. They just started.

I can maybe give you 1 from last season. You could grow it out fro a year or 2, then plant outside..

Lavender 87, I can send you seed from Thomasville, but I don't think it is that hard to find. And it will take up to 20 years for first flowers on a Kumquat-hybrid (not sure, but my Kumquat-seedling flowered this year for its first time ab afte twenty years on a PT rootstock)

Kumquat hybrids are usually the fastest flowering per the literature. I have a seedling Citrangequat that took 5 years from seed, which is not long at all. It might have to do with the heat units.

Lavender87, I have a few seeds that have sprouted...

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranates in upper Texas Gulf Coast
« on: October 14, 2018, 10:41:35 PM »
So pretty much all my pomegranates succumbed to some disease that turns the fruit black.  I am led to believe the vector for this disease is leaf footed bugs and stink bugs, which I have in profusion since I have numerous very large pecan trees on my property.  Anyone have a secret to manage the bugs/disease?  I am planning on a copper spray regimen next year after fruit set to see if that saves the fruit.

The leaf footed bugs poke holes, then black rot sets in. I have the same problem. From what I've read, SURROUND is recommended. So I will order a big bag and spray them and the citrus down well..

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