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See NATE HAGENS YouTube channel if you really want to hear the brightest minds in the world discuss these issues with zero b.s. and minimal politics.

Thanks, CeeJey, for all your hard work in responding so thoroughly. I hope it helps a few people to discern where the truth lies. On the right, denial/mockery of climate change is simply a war against government control and any (weak) agenda coming from Democrats to try to do something about it.  Strangely enough, in other areas they want more government control.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple Pleasure mango
« on: May 31, 2023, 11:31:01 AM »
Listed as a robust vigorous tree, how small can this mango be kept trimmed yet still fruit?
I'd be happy with 5-6 fruit each season for personal consumption or tossing a couple in a mango box to send to my son in Oregon.

We have a few people growing it on the forum. (I'm not one of them but I've seen plenty of mature trees).
I guess it depends on how small you thing small is. I'd say an 8-10ft tree might be able to work.
This is not that productive of a variety but the fruits tend to be really big so you'd need a tree to be able to support that weight without breaking.

You should also consider pina colada if you want something less vigorous with some of the same flavor profiles.
FRUITFUL TREES did a video about a brand new Zill variety, basically described as an improved PiŮa Colada.  No name yet.

Sonpari grown here in Miami was as good as Alphonso i ate in Nepal and i bet it will taste better grown in India. I liked the White Pirie and Taymour (the one from Tropical Acres), they were both outstanding with similar taste profile.
Are you back in town?

CeeJay Calusa you guys are wasting a ton of energy arguing your points on here.

Last time Im ever making any comments on any left/right subjects online.
It shouldn't be a left/right issue. However, no one EVER changes his mind when presented with an argument. It only increases resistance and makes him dig his heels in deeper. The process happens gradually over time with the right approach. Ya can't just call him an idiot and expect an instant conversion even if you present all the best, most rigorous scientific information.

Freeze this thread!!!!!
In the early days of this forum, we had a miscellaneous section where "controversial" topics were discussed (?).  It was removed for obvious reasons.

Much of the research used to promote the climate change scare has been proven by numerous respected scientific bodies around the world to be extremely flawed, skewed and downright fraudulent.

(Citation needed)

Every single "respected scientific body" in the world, without exception, agrees that climate change is real, is human-caused, and the only "exceptions" are a few individuals who claim falsely that they are being silenced. Those individuals are the ones who are "agenda-driven."
My mind is made up.  I'll find my own facts.  Now let's talk about mangos and tropical fruits.  ;)

I personally donít think science is the answer. Dow AgroSciences probably employs tons of scientists. The answer is living in a way that aligns with nature.  People arenít going to give up all their modern conveniences but there are ways we can all improve. Governments could do more to help, actually a lot of improvements could be made with government intervention (ex stopping single use plastics-bringing your own straw or fork to a restaurant isnít that much of an inconvenience, and there are paper product alternatives as well) - not that anyone in the government will do this
The two really can't go together if you do a deep dive into the issues.  That's the problem in a nutshell.  This is not directed at you personally, Julie.  It's our civilization.  BUT could we strike a balance between a reasonable degree of comfort and respecting natural systems and planetary limitations?  I think so.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maria Black avovado
« on: May 27, 2023, 10:50:20 AM »
I have Maria Black and I've tasted the fruit.  The flavor was good, it was similar to Oro Negro, but matures earlier.  The tree seems healthy and growing well.
If the taste is similar to Oro Negro, that sounds pretty good.  A step up from Simmonds, Monroe, Choquette, and others.

The climate is changing, and scientists aren't all a bunch of idiots with twisted agendas. Most of them want to add to our knowledge base and understanding of how things work. There are other people with agendas that are pushing lies and splitting people.

As finicky as we are about our plants, why is it so hard to understand that industrialization and all the stuff we have done as we have progressed, has changed our climate and has effects upon living creatures? It's like arguing about whether or not the heater or ac affects the indoor climate. I agree that the doomsday predictions are a bit much to take, and extremists on whatever side make others look irrational.

The US military is taking climate change and sea level rise seriously, but we know they love to waste money. lol

Miami-Dade was in a drought situation too, until recently. Lots of rain daily for the last couple of weeks.
No arguments with this.  At least from me.   :)

No doubt the climate will change it always has, but we are still basically idiots when it comes to predicting anything.
The people invested in Green Tech seem have tons to lose if people arent on message.
Yes, we are basically idiots, but I'd say for other reasons.  And yes, most of Green Tech and "transition to renewables" is another way for corporations and the super-rich to make money.  (Look at Bill Gates, the supposed philanthropist.  He's got his greedy fingers in everything.)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Beverly Mango
« on: May 26, 2023, 10:46:07 PM »
How well is your Beverly doing now, LEOOEL? I bumped this thread  because I  planted a 3 gallon Beverly in March. 5 years later, your Beverly should be mature.
Last active February 26.  Last post August 5, 2022.

Is anyone seeing a lot of (or more than in the past) water accumulation in your neighborhood?  My street never had this issue before, I specifically bought a house that wasn't in a flood zone, but this rainy season is different.  Huge puddles are flooding the streets.  It seems like climate change is here.  Also the cold weather today is strange for this time of year.

Julie, if having puddles in Miami means climate change is there, then climate change isn't 350 miles away in St pete, where there are piles of dry sand that's been blown freely by the wind because we have almost no rain at all. What used to be our lawns is now a crunchy mass of dead matter that sounds like you're walking across corn flakes.  ;D

That is Climate Change, the two events are linked.
The rain and weather patterns change or shift in time or geography, or the drought / rain cycle frequency changes.
Last Year was a very wet year here in Australia, this year it is already much drier, little rain.
Also the rain pattern here has move from winter rain to summer rain, similar to further north.
Disaster for grape and stone fruit farmers, with increased fungi and moulds.

That's climate change? Really?  ;)

I've lived in Florida my entire life, and I've seen floods and I've seen droughts. I've seen 100 degree+ temperatures decades ago and I've seen 16 degrees in Central Florida. All this in a span of 65+ years. What we are seeing in Florida right now, we have already seen it decades ago. It's weather, it's cyclical. Climate change - real climate change not the kind that CNN, NatGO and the Weather Channel hype constantly - takes place so slowly that no living human lives long enough to notice it or record it. But that won't stop the university "scientists" who have been politicized so as to keep the funding in place for their "studies", the results of which somehow dovetail perfectly with what we hear from every Chicken Little in the country. These are the same people who told us back in the 1970's that the planet was going to freeze solid and kill everything we humans need to eat.

Sorry to disagree, but I am a native Floridian and I come from a few generations of native Floridians who have more smarts and common sense and lived longer than a lot of these fakes who spew climate change non-stop.
All those damn "scientists" and their worthless "PhDs"!  Just trying to make money by scamming us.  Why don't they get real jobs?  >:( >:( >:(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maria Black avovado
« on: May 26, 2023, 12:00:09 AM »
These came from Leaph in WPB
You didn't ask him for the backstory?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maria Black avovado
« on: May 25, 2023, 09:36:58 PM »
Where did you find it?  I've been thinking of planting that one myself.  Either MB or the one Julian Lara calls Improved Pollock.  I believe it's a mid-season, or fall, avocado, but don't know the exact months.  I'm pretty certain it would ripen between Simmonds and Monroe.  After eating my way through a box of California avocados, various varieties, I've come to a new appreciation of Florida avocados (but they have to be fully mature and properly ripened)!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 24, 2023, 09:18:23 PM »
Gwen.  The worst avocado in the box.  But the last Sharwil was righteous!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: May 24, 2023, 01:28:44 PM »
I eagerly await sales of boxes of these beauties.

In Vegas, we get nothing but stores selling boxes of fibrous, flavorless Kent monstrosities.
Really?  Are you sure they're Kent?  Kent is the original fiberless mango.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 22, 2023, 12:39:31 PM »
In summary, I found Hass, Carmen, Pinkerton, Sharwil, and Greengold to be equally good.  Sharwil didn't have the nutty flavor of the others but made up for it with its buttery smoothness.  I liked Nabal, too, but it could have used a little more time on the tree to develop more oil to bring out its full potential.  All of the above I'd rank a little higher than Fuerte.  I have one other avocado, Gwen, that's still hard but with soft spots, and I fear it may not ripen properly.  (Gwen's a Hass seedling.)  It was an adventure, tasting all these varieties.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 22, 2023, 12:26:43 PM »

Greengold: High oil, firm flesh, thick skin (with some grit), rich nutty flavor.  Excellent avocado.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 20, 2023, 10:12:17 PM »
My second Sharwil ripened much more evenly than the first but with some small black areas near the skin.  Now I understand the fuss about this variety.  The texture is just so smooth and buttery, and although not nutty in flavor like Hass, it's very rich and pleasing.  The tiny seed is another plus.  I found Hass and Pinkerton to be very close in flavor.  And Carmen seemed identical to Hass.

Hass is above Carmen. (Sharwil not pictured.)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 18, 2023, 02:20:41 PM »

So far Pinkerton (bottom picture) is at the top of the leaderboard. I haven't tasted any Hass yet. Nabal is #2, which had good flavor that wasn't quite fully developed, but I could taste the potential--better in the summer with full oil content, I'm sure. The Sharwil in the photos had ripening issues. It had a hard section but also a spoiled section, and although the ripe texture resembled soft butter, it didn't have a whole lot of flavor. I have two more that aren't ready yet.  If I were to throw Fuerte (from two months ago) into the mix, right now it would be at #3. Looking forward to the others!  (Also, I think the 3 days of UPS Ground Service tended to cook the avocados a little.  When the box was delivered to me on the evening of 5/12, it was very warm, having sat in the hot delivery van for the entire last day.)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy Mother's Day !
« on: May 15, 2023, 09:39:31 AM »
As a native Californian, I had thought that Valencias were more of summer orange with sweetness increasing over time.

Another approach was the one by my friend Dave, from Tropical Nth Qld.
He lives in a open side house in the jungle.
Basically he threw any Avocado seed as far as he could, out through the open kitchen window into the jungle.
He was originally American.
That explains it!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Fruit mix box
« on: May 13, 2023, 09:21:51 PM »
Was the carmen no good John?  Thry may have gotten over ripe.  I had a few carmens a month ago that were really special too.  But I have to say that tree doesnt do that well in the heat here.  Regular hass grows better.
The 2 Carmens in my box seem to be ok.  I'm glad you included them as we recently planted a Carmen tree at my nephew's house in Port St. Lucie. Nothing is ripe yet (=giving to the touch and ready to eat).  Are Carmens always smaller than Hass?  Dyrmifolia mentioned that the Nabal ripened unevenly.  How common is that?  Two months ago I ordered Fuertes from Fallbrook so it's going to be interesting to see how these other varieties compare.  I found those Fuertes decent but nothing special, but I'm pretty sure that I've had better Fuertes in the past.

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