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Your climate sounds similar to central Florida. Our issues are nematodes, fungus, flooding/drought, and fluctuating temperatures (too cold/too hot). A few thoughts. Root knot nematodes were recently introduced to Taiwan (2012) and may be causing the year round poor growth of some of your varieties (peppers vary widely in nematode resistance). I think Taiwan also has native nematodes that could be affecting the growth. Maybe some organic fungicide would help with the rot. And, if the peppers were grown in a short hoop house they could be shaded in the summer with 30% shade cloth or covered with plastic sheeting in the winter for freeze protection. Here peppers grow best when the temperature is moderate and the humidity is low (the end of February through May).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Lychee bloom?
« on: January 14, 2022, 10:14:50 PM »
I did the Lara Farms bags of ice trick, I am getting mixed blooms. 3 bags of ice (gas station size) per tree spaced 4 to 6 inches from the trunk like the Mercedes symbol on the coldest days of the year starting in Dec. This coming week in So. Fl. I will do it again.

Interesting, I always thought that it was the apical buds in lychee that needed the cold, not the roots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Laurel Wilt Question
« on: January 14, 2022, 10:11:51 PM »
The 6 month statement was just a guesstimate.  Apparently, the Laurel Wilt fungus can't survive longer than 2 days in wood chips that were initially infested with the disease. In contrast, a dead standing tree can continue to host the fungus for 15 months or longer. Logic would say that if the wood chips can't continue to host the fungus, they can't be an initial host, either. Here is a link to the research paper where I got the information.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://academic.oup.com/jee/article/106/5/2093/878972&ved=2ahUKEwj93uuM2rL1AhV0QzABHefhC1oQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1bPrVuBeWxV1z5LSj6oGZK

"Although not directly tested, this research indicates that R. lauricola would likely not move from wood chips to healthy trees if the wood chips were used in landscaping."

I think you are fine to grind the tree and re-plant. I would personally wait a few months, though, just to be safe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Laurel Wilt Question
« on: January 13, 2022, 10:58:40 PM »
Laurel Wilt occurs when a fungus carried by the Red Bay Beetle infects the cambium of the tree. Sick, wounded, flooded/overwatered, or dying trees emit a scent that is especially attractive to the beetle. They typically target branches of a specific size (arm to finger size as I recall). While the tree may emit an attractive scent for a short time after being ground, this will be end when the wood begins to rot. If you can't wait 6 months for the existing tree to start breaking down, buy one of the bags people have been growing citrus in and put it over the new tree. It should keep the Beetle out until the old tree is no longer producing an attractive scent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's going with this lychee tree
« on: January 12, 2022, 10:05:54 PM »
I agree. It looks like wind damage. It wouldn't hurt to spray sulfur, though. It is only a matter of time before the mite shows up in Lake Placid.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB sugar dragon cuttings
« on: January 12, 2022, 10:03:04 PM »
Pm Brad (Spaugh)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do mysores tip?
« on: January 12, 2022, 10:01:22 PM »
We had a bad wind storm here a month or two ago. I lost my Orinoco and Gran Main mats. All the Pseudo stems got knocked over. Mysore had a 40lb bunch and is still standing. Apple (Manzano) banana, Ice Cream, Raja Puri, and Dwarf Cavendish were also ok.  I wouldn't risk it next to a pool cage.

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I have used bonide Sulfur, and nutritional sprays for powdery mildew of the mango. Generally, I use the nutritional foliar sprays trough the season and well before the panicle emerges. I feel that they help to reduce the problem. Then as soon as the panicles emerge but before flowers, you can apply sulfur. As soon as peas size fruit appears, then you can continue using fungicides. If no powdery mildew is present, then apply sulfur again. If its present consider switching to Potassium Bicarbonate. Sulfur is a preventative but Potassium Bicarbonate is an eradicant. Sometimes if I see powdery mildew before the fruit is formed I use Potassium Bicarbonate. But I only do this if I have to.

Thanks for posting that I didn't know about the Potassium Bicarbonate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Lychee bloom?
« on: January 10, 2022, 09:49:36 PM »
My Hak Ip was the first to show bloom forming, early January 2022.  I haven't seen any on my other varieties yet.  Last year they bloomed at the end of January.  Myakka City 9b

Hak Ip is typically the first to bloom. I have seen bloom in every month from December to April here in Florida zone 9b. There is still plenty of time for the other varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Lychee bloom?
« on: January 10, 2022, 09:47:05 PM »
I've got blooms forming in the greenhouse but it is way too cold outside to move the plants. What's the forum recommendation? Pick the blooms and hope for a second flourish in spring or what? I have the same problem with my white sapotes.

I would be tempted to try hand pollination. I have never done it, but Lychees on Line has a fairly straight forward description of the process.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.lycheesonline.com/flowerpollination.cfm&ved=2ahUKEwi-p7fS1qj1AhX7RjABHcjNAF8QFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3wfep73BwPxqA1A_bp6xOE

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Minneola x Meyer lemon
« on: January 08, 2022, 09:33:33 PM »
It is completely possible. Far more distantly related citrus have been hybridized.

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I am seeing PM on some ornamental plants, so it is going strong in my area. Sulfer is only preventative, as I understand, so you need to spray now (before you physically see PM). Regarding nutritional spray, I recently heard that Monopotassium Phosphate (MPK) increases the fungicidal properties of sulfur when the two are applied together. No clue whether Southernag will help any. I think Har has answered similar questions on several occasions if you check the last few pages of the mango psets and diseases thread.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID Tropical AU Littoral fruit
« on: January 08, 2022, 09:13:06 PM »
The shell looks much thicker in that photo than what I have seen on Ximenia Americana. I wonder if there is some variation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that do well and trees that don't
« on: January 07, 2022, 09:32:32 PM »
I have seen a very productive fig in Spring Lake (5-10 miles East of Sebring), but the soil there is very heavy and nematodes are not as big a problem. Wayne Clifton had quite the collection of very productive figs in his yard in Bradenton, but just about every square inch was covered in heavy mulch.

With Pecans, there are some very old trees on CR 17 between Sebring and Lake Placid that produce nuts every year as well as another tree on Lake Sebring that produces heavy crops sporadically according to the owner. They are very slow growers here. They are more of a "bottom land" tree, and our soil isn't rich enough for them. I think one of the biggest problems (appart from Squirrels) is there are not enough disease resistant varieties for good pollination.

A commercial pomegranite grove just outside of Sebring ended up being a failure. However, a Lady in Zolpho (once again heavier soil) has had excellent production as long as she used fungicides. Unfortunately, not many fungicides are labeled for pomegranate, so she could not sell the fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Lychee bloom?
« on: January 07, 2022, 09:06:50 PM »
Good reports!
 I think lychee is going to have to be grown Sebring and north to get good yields now,very low chill anymore south.

Not many people realize it, but when lychee was first brought to Florida this area of the state was one of the main planting areas. There are still many very old lychee trees here in Sebring, Avon Park, and Lake Placid. The Desoto City neighborhood especially has a long standing history with lychee and there are several small groves that are 80+ years old. Freezes in the late 50s and then again in the 70s and 80s caused the center of production to move south. Unfortunately, I see the handwriting on the wall for these old trees. I watched HLB destroy all of the ancient citrus trees here. I am afraid that the erinose mite will do the same to the lychee.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Lychee bloom?
« on: January 06, 2022, 02:19:15 PM »
I see panicles starting on most varieties (with the exception of Emperor). However, I have seen pictures of full bloom on a few Emperor trees north of here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID Tropical AU Littoral fruit
« on: January 06, 2022, 02:05:31 PM »
That is impressing Galatians, I tried to do that with one fresh seed but it did not take fire, maybe they have to be dried.
The seed itself had no bitter taste and the pice I left out the mouse took so musn't be to bad, still not sure if I can try a whole seed.
Got a picture of the seed comming soon.

They have to be shelled and dried to burn like that. They won't do it fresh in my experience. It will take a few seconds before it catches fire, but when it does it will burn a surprisingly long time for its size.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Lychee Genome Article
« on: January 04, 2022, 11:17:05 PM »
Very interesting! I gather from the article that there are cultivars that will bloom and ripen earlier than anything available in Florida currently. I believe Amboina and Sam Yu Hung would be in that category.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: January 04, 2022, 10:45:38 PM »
i forgot about the leaf shade trick.  Just tie a leaf over the grafts.  Webt and covered them all today




That is brilliant! I like it!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines are bitter
« on: January 04, 2022, 10:41:02 PM »
Back to the original question. I don't think you will ever be happy with the fruit on a Cleo Tangerine. You might pick up a few points on your brix (sugar content) through better cultural care, but as the old saying goes, "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken poop." As has already been mentioned, your best shot at good fruit is to top work the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines are bitter
« on: January 04, 2022, 10:24:25 PM »
I dont know why it posts everything in the quote

I used to have the same problem (because I am not tech savvy). Whenever you quote someone, there will be some computer language at the end that looks like this: [/quote]. It means end quote. If you insert before that or erase it the computer thinks everything is part of the quote.

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Iron Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc sulfate & Manganese sulfate.

Another benefit to allpplying metal sulfates is that they tend to be fungicidal (especially copper and zinc) and will probably result in cleaner fruit with fewer blemishes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines are bitter
« on: January 02, 2022, 08:59:18 PM »
Looks like Cleo. Its a good rootstock if you have well drained soil. Here is a link to a description. See if it fits what you have. The only thing I will throw in is that it will not fruit year round in your climate (that bit is at the end of the description in the link).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/cleopatra.html&ved=2ahUKEwibgdjsvJT1AhUNSzABHeFoDyUQFnoECEkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Lc2udroieLJ16bZjqLP56

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines are bitter
« on: December 31, 2021, 10:07:34 PM »
I agree that it is probably a rootstock tree. Cleopatra (often called Cleo for short) is the only tangerine that has been used frequently as a rootstock to my knowledge, but I would discribe it as sour more than bitter. Calamondin is a hardy, sour tangerine like fruit that has often been planted as an ornamental and is used for baking, drinks, and marmalade. There are also a couple other rootstock trees that might be mistaken for tangerines like Carrizo citrange which has a small bright orange fruit and trifoliate leaves. Pictures would be helpful.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy new year, Feliz 2022
« on: December 31, 2021, 09:28:08 PM »
Thanks! Happy New Year to all of you, too!

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