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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango updates and worries, help please
« on: February 26, 2024, 11:57:18 PM »
How frequently do you water those plants?
May be overwatering?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help about scions
« on: February 24, 2024, 07:05:18 PM »
Scion of what?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Custard Apple
« on: February 17, 2024, 03:31:03 PM »
This is not unusual.  Just make sure you don't overwater in the dry season.  It should leaf out later in the spring.

I have had one in the ground going on 6 years and not a sign of flower.
4 to 5 years from seed may be a little optimistic for my area but perhaps maybe not for yours.

Have you an interest in fabric pots?  Temu has some 7 gallon for between 2 and 3 dollars each.
I have not used them and cant vouch but the price looks really good.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona Scions 2024
« on: February 13, 2024, 09:46:14 PM »
I guess we just know him a little longer and know what you describe in not consistent with what we know.

More I could say, but enough said.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some question help me
« on: February 12, 2024, 10:30:09 PM »
For the mango part of your question, I would imagine so.

I have had mango fruits fall to the ground, get eaten by racoons or squirrels and the seeds still in the husk germinate a month or two later.  Some even much later.

I swept up fallen mango into an old plastic pot last year, and months later, several germinated.  No soil in the pot just the broken down fruit.

I expect some may not germinate but if you get several I expect a good percentage would.

I am not sure you want to spend the time and effort but if you want to, here are a couple of links that touch on the topic.

A couple of suggestions.  If you do a successful mango airlayer, plant a seed next to it when you put it in the gound.  Approach graft the seedling a year or so later to give the airlayered tree a second root system, one with a tap root.  It should help.  In my case, the seedling was vigorous and I let it be.  It is larger than the airlayered tree now.  I grafted to it and both are fruiting just fine.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Transplanting mango seedling from ground.
« on: February 10, 2024, 02:21:36 PM »
Just dig them out and place in a pot getting the most root you can.  You will break the tap root but it wouldn't stop the seedling growing well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mangos
« on: February 08, 2024, 09:18:41 PM »
Think about it this way, if four seedlings grow, and 3 smell the same and one smells different then you know the one that is different.  Remember that only one of however many seedling sprout from the seed is zygotic seedling the rest are clones.  You don't need to have the parent if it is possible to isolate one with clearly different characteristics to all the others.

I have read post about size but I am not sold on that approach.

One sure way is keep 2 and plant then in the same spot.  When they are larger, and perhaps fruit, chop one of the two or keep both, but you are almost certain to have one or both be clones.   
.....if you are lucky, perhaps you get to name anew variety.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mangos
« on: February 08, 2024, 07:38:00 AM »
There are several posts about this on the forum but one approach that I thought was interesting was a smell test of the leaves.  Apparently, in some cases, the smell of the leaves of the clone may differ from the "hybrid".
There have been discussion of other characteristics that could help distinguish after each seedling has had a chance to grow a little.  I liked the idea of being able to smell out the "one of these things that not the same as the others"

Here is one link

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would 0-46-0 help mango bloom?
« on: February 07, 2024, 07:43:25 AM »
Thought i'd ask before applying some.  Peach cobbler making lots of new leaves i can't eat lol.

You might want to make sure you can apply P in your location.  There are many places than ban use of P without a soil test due to its impact on the environment.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help can’t tell which side is graft
« on: February 07, 2024, 07:38:45 AM »
I agree, send a picture of the plant showing more.

With the current picture, my guess would have been different from most folks.  In my experience, the rootstock will grow a bud below the graft more agressively than it would the graft and the thicker branch would in my opinion be the root stock and the thinner the graft.  I have had growth below the raft overtake the grated portion multiple times.  I cut them off in most cases but in a few cases where I am interested in finding out what the rootstock would have produced, I have to manage the size so they don't shade out the graft.

With a different picture, there may be other cues to help make the determination.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID this plant
« on: February 04, 2024, 09:16:44 PM »
Thanks.  I will keep it and hope it fruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help ID this plant
« on: January 15, 2024, 08:01:17 PM »
Got this plant and 2 others from a friend a few years ago

I placed it in a safe spot and forgot about it.  I happened on it a year or so ago and it had rooted out of the pot so I left it where it was.

Now I need to figure out what it is (no flowers or fruits yet)


The trunk in case it helps in IDing the plant.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Store bought Mexican mango seedling
« on: January 14, 2024, 01:16:49 PM »
You can graft on to it in 2 years or so and save a few branches of the rootstock to see what it produces.
Your grafted varieties will fruit first in a couple of years or so after grafting and much later you can see what you original plant makes.

I have a seedling that I am testing that took about 8 years to fruit but I had fruit on the tree from grafted varieties from about year 4 or 5 onwards.  The seedling has fruited the last 2 years and I will give it about 2 more years to determine if I want to keep it or chop off those branches to graft other varieties.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Store bought Mexican mango seedling
« on: January 13, 2024, 07:33:44 PM »
It depends on the variety.  Some mango are true to seed and some are not.  Assuming there is only one plant that grew from the seed, my guess is that the seed was monoembryonic in which case it will be likely different from the fruit you ate.  It could be as good, or worse, a different variety from the mother tree.

If several stems grew from the seed, or if you actually opened the seed and saw that it was polyembryonic, then if you selected the correct plant to grow out, you should get the same fruit as you ate.
I have tried to keep it simple but if you search on the forum for mono or polyembryonic and mango, you will see more detailed explanation.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya and cherimoya cultivars
« on: January 12, 2024, 08:58:18 PM »
Thanks….on the hunt for a cherilatta…any suggestions we’re Best to look for one?
Do you graft and do you have any potential rootstock?

Scions are easier to find.

Never used it but came across some literature sometime in the past that recommended diluted milk.

If anyone has used this please share your experience.  Did it work and it stink?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mngos
« on: January 11, 2024, 05:38:12 PM »
See this link

It is described as polyembryonics which mean if you plant the seed, only one of however many embryos germinate (or plants stalks come out of the seed) will not be true to seed.  The others will be clones of the mother tree.  The trick is to pick one that is a clone.  There are all kinds of suggestions on the forum like smelling the leaves and discarding the one that is different.

How long to fruit from seed, i depends on your growing conditions but could be as long as 7 to 10 years though as noted earlier it could be sooner.

If you want fruit sooner, then you may need to graft a scion from a fruiting tree, but you will need a tree to graft it on to.  Perhaps a branch on one of your other mango trees of graft it to your seedling after it has grown a year or two.

For a moment I thought you meant ST Maui then I realized you meant Sweet Tart.
ST Maui does well in FL but I have no idea how it performs in California.

I am trying to get ST Maui fruiting in my collection and have made a couple of grafts.  For size, I am looking at Karen Michelle which I tried and liked.  Again, I have no idea how it performs in your area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu cross polination for more fruit
« on: January 06, 2024, 04:35:26 PM »
would you be willing to ship seeds?
Have you checked with posters offering seeds like, I assume you have.

Your best shot at seeds may be from our Hawaii members.   I got mine from member HIfarm, but this was a few years ago, and I have not seen him post of late.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Flowering of lychee 2024
« on: January 06, 2024, 01:51:43 PM »
None on my trees, great year for many things but not looking like a good year for lychee.

Har, any chance you will give this talk again anytime soon?

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