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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherries!
« on: July 01, 2014, 06:30:16 PM »
I'm a fan of the Jamaica Cherry (Muntingia calabura). It heavily bears a tiny but tasty fruit. It is not very similar to true cherry. It a padanus or vanilla taste element that I find appealing.  I don't have any experience growing it - just enjoyed standing under the neighborhood tree and eating ripe berries off it :)

I agree, they are delicious , productive and fast growing chocolate/vanilla flavor but... their roots are invasive and crawl Waaayyy away from the tree putting up suckers. Mine is getting cut down because of this.

Oh, The taste of Surinam reminds me of throwing up at my first keg party.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persian Lime, New Growth in July???
« on: June 28, 2014, 06:42:30 PM »
total newbie question.  I was just outside looking at my plants and I noticed that my persian lime has a ton of new growth on it.  seems odd to me, since it is so late in the year.  is this normal?  i'm not complaining, mind you, it had leaf borers pretty badly, so i'm really happy to see new leaves, but i think it's strange.

Mine is flowering too!

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I too have an American Harvest, but I have some 8 or more trays. I've made fruit rolls from flavored apple sauce when my son was in elementary school and scads of apples, meats, everything I could get my hands on. It's 20 or so years old and doesn't get much use anymore except during the fall apple season. They make a great product that's reliable, flexible and not too expensive.


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If they are Fuyu you can eat them at any stage.   If it is a quality fruit, it will be good even when hard and crunchy.

I've never had a Fuyu that was hard and crunchy that was better than a softened fully ripe one. I'll wait.

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For you persimmon lovers that bemoan the end of the north American persimmon season Publix has Fuyu in stock. They're not cheap ($2 ea.) but to me they're worth it. I blew $12 on them and await the day I can eat them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado - big guns
« on: June 22, 2014, 10:38:59 AM »


The second avo is the sweet smooth green skin seedling that an elderly couple sell at the market occasionally. It's another cracker and the average size is 15cm. It is superb in a shake and although slightly watery it is strongly flavored and delicious. I'm hoping to get some grafting material of either or both of these at some stage...

Whoa, watery and delicious in the same sentence? Cali avo bigots... ahem, lovers don't take too kindly to that type of description :-)

I have a "binary" seedling avo much like the one in your second pic. Mine was either cut at the base with a lawn mower or grew out of two seeds that the previous owner of the house planted. Like you I feel it's delicious as does every co-worker I give them to, and one of my local sushi places gives me free sushi when I bring them in!.

I eat them with a spoon and salt or mash them into a guacamole type paste and have it with lunch or dinner, I'll have to try them in a shake... now to find a shake recipe!
 



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon in SoFla?
« on: June 19, 2014, 06:48:28 PM »
These are pictures of my Winterset Persimmon tree from treehouse nursery.  The tree has already fruited a couple of times and this has allowed me to confirm the identity.   

The origin of this variety is Treehouse Nursery In Bokeelia.  At their location I have seen the different varieties of persimmons mature and planted out near each other. Winterset is probably the most vigorous of all of the varieties. Fuyu is a close second. Hana fuyu and triumph are noticeably smaller trees. 

As a side note I believe the Wynterset is really the Ormond variety.  People in Southeast Florida hey not feel that the Winterset has the figure that the Ormond is described as having. The Orman variety is described as being a vigorous larger tree. And here in Southwest Florida that holds true. It is as large if not larger then fuyu tree.  Persimmon trees are ultimately smaller mature trees as you get farther south in Florida.

Thanks Brad for the pics. Some of the leaves look just like mine, wider and short, others like those that Jeff says are more indicative of the Winterset cultivar... slimmer, or is that two trees and or an illusion of the pic angle?

I am looking to get another now, maybe a Triumph.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon in SoFla?
« on: June 18, 2014, 06:30:20 PM »
Those "Winterset" were obtained from Treehouse.

Meaning that they ARE winterset, or they are not? By the leaf size cookie monster says it's not.

Meaning that they were sold as however they came marked from Treehouse.  If you do some searching, either on here or Gardenweb, I believe there are some posts about the Winterset coming out of Treehouse from a few years back.

Thanks for the reply. Well, regardless whether it is or not, I'm totally delighted that it has set fruit. Jeff knows his stuff so I'll just call it a persimmon from now on :-)

Maybe after I harvest some with leaf pics someone can ID it.

mangokothiyan, after you harvest them some pics would be cool.

Nobody else has persimmon fruiting?



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon in SoFla?
« on: June 18, 2014, 08:26:40 AM »
Those "Winterset" were obtained from Treehouse.

Meaning that they ARE winterset, or they are not? By the leaf size cookie monster says it's not.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon in SoFla?
« on: June 17, 2014, 09:46:00 PM »
What type is it?

There's a controversy about the cultivar. It was sold to me by Excalibur as a "Winterset" but Cookiemonster says it's definitely not. I'm inclined to believe Jeff but also have a hard time swallowing that Excalibur labeled it wrong. For now I don't care as long as it produces fruit, it's been in the ground a few years now and every year it dropped all of its flowers. I was really bummed out thinking about pulling it out, it's a really nice looking tree.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Persimmon in SoFla?
« on: June 17, 2014, 07:49:49 PM »
 This year I was about to yank out my persimmon, but finally the flowers stopped falling off and several fruits set, one is nearly 1/2" across. It's been a long wait but I hope it keeps at least a few of the dozen or so that set. Fingers crossed.

So, how are the other persimmon owners in SoFla doing?




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plants dying while on vacation!!!
« on: June 17, 2014, 12:11:19 AM »
So ever since my vacation started, my father has been calling me to tell me what the news is of my fruit trees. Apparently my 4 foot tall mangosteen has dried up and died out of nowhere, a few seedling jackfruits have died, a Chico sapodilla seedling that was about 3 ft talk suddenly wilted..... This makes me sad  :'(
So.... What are some of your trees in Your collection that died on you while on a vacation?

Is your stuff in pots? If so then without special care and or someone to look in on and water them, I'm not surprised. Potted plants need more attention than things in the ground.

I've gone away for 10 days in our dry season, but watered and mulched before leaving and didn't lose anything that was in the ground. My potted trees were all watered well before I left, mulched and put in a shady place under one of my carambola.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to kill a tree?
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:23:25 AM »
I need to kill a tree.

Yes I said it.

Any one know what I need to kill the roots

I've killed a number of GIGANTIC ficus, Florida holly, malaleuca, hibiscus and other unwanted trees this way:

Cut to a stump at ground level, using a 1" (or larger) wood bit drill a hole in the center of the stump to the length of the bit (~6") pour in stump killer, repeat as it's absorbed. I also sever any finger type spreading roots near the surface with a shovel.

This has worked 100% of the time and has not affected anything nearby.







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A thread where photos of mangos, and their picking time characteristics would be so helpful especially for those with newer varieties.

I guess this could be incorporated into a general mango photograph and description thread.  A Master list with photos, descriptions, etc....

There are two times to pick depending on whether or not you have mango thieves. I have mango thieves so I pick those nearest the ground, street side as soon as they blush color and let them ripen indoors. Not the peak of flavor, but at least this way I get some. The rest I hope to eat as they ripen closer to my front door, maybe only those wishing to get bitten by my mango thief hating dog will be bold enough to steal.

I was once cleaned out trying to let them ripen on the tree... nevermore.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy Hurricane Season!
« on: June 14, 2014, 08:15:45 PM »
For those in Florida and the Caribbean...hurricane season is upon us.  The current prediction is a light hurricane season.   :)  http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/hurricane-season-outlook-atlantic-2014-el-nino-20140324

A severe hurricane would likely destroy most of my tropical fruit tree collection because the trees are relatively young; two years in ground.  All of my trees are under 15 feet tall.  The largest trunk is only about 4 inches thick. 

So I began thinking...what if???   What if a hurricane leveled your tropical fruit tree collection and you had to start all over again?  What would you do differently?

I don't think I'd do much differently. What I have I relish, my only "mistake" was not buying a house with a bigger lot. Then again, depending on my neighbor's luck I might be able to expand my property substantially if I were to buy their barren lot... I know, gallows humor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lightning split my lychee tree
« on: June 11, 2014, 10:57:56 PM »
By next season, I should have three security cameras pointed at the tree.  ;D

I'm in the process of installing two cameras facing the Lemon Zest at my moms house after 90% of the fruit was stolen this year.
The cameras likely won't stop people from stealing, but at least I'll get to see who the thieves are.

I have three cameras in the front of my house, it does NOT stop thieves, but I do get to watch them fill their T-shirts up with Julie and Madame Francis mango every year.

Oh well they did get a guy 10 years for stealing mail who said after being arrested that he found my mail in the street a block away. The police LOVE my cameras and have knocked on my door to see if I had footage of an accident or missing down syndrome girl.

IMO, stop waiting for fruit to ripen on the tree, take what's on the street side when they just start to blush color and let them ripen inside, after that take all the lower ones closest to the house first and leave the high up ones that you need a fruit picker for.

Won't stop them but it will give them less.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla cold tolerance
« on: June 11, 2014, 10:44:08 PM »
I want to cut down a 9' Sweetheart lychee tree and put in a Makok sapodilla in its place. I'm in zone 9b. I had serious mango limb die-back 3 years ago in that nasty, nasty Florida winter (coldest on record), but my mango trees did not die. The lowest temp that week was 26 degrees one morning.

Are sapodillas (specifically the Makok variety), more, less, or equal in cold hardiness to mangoes?

And in case you're wondering why I am cutting down my lychee I am DONE waiting for my worthless Sweetheart to produce.  >:(     It has ONE fruit on it.

Plus I have another 8 lychee trees in my yard. My other choice to plant there is a medium sized Emperor lychee I have in a pot and maybe keep my Makok in a very large pot.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

I understand your frustration with the sweetheart, mine is barren too but... it's such a darn nice looking tree I don't have the heart to take it out. What I din with mine is to put a Florida peach behind it on the north side fairly close. It doesn't affect the light the lychee gets and I figure eventually the sweetheart will produce.

That said, I have two young Makok and worry about them down here in South Florida when it gets cold. The pdf from UF says they will get damaged between 30-32 and mature trees below 26.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Garden:
« on: June 08, 2014, 10:57:57 PM »
Not anymore. the Lawn Guys thought it would be a great idea to blast all the plants with the air blower thingy. The top half of the banana snapped off. Some of my other plants suffered severe damage. they are inside now, but my outdoor plants are a bit more, tilted, than in the photos.

The Lawn guys also ruined my watermelon, okra, eggplant, tomato....


There's a reason why lawn guys stay lawn guys...


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Glenn Mango
« on: June 08, 2014, 08:49:59 AM »
Maybe there is a shelter or food bank nearby that would be appreciative?

Probably not a good idea... I know of a couple of businesses that used to donate to places like you suggested and someone always ruins it with a lawsuit because someone choked or got the squirts and a bellyache.

I'd throw them away before being the target of an ambulance chasing lawyer.

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Just wondering.  My neighbors have a tree that fruits almost every year..about 40ft elevation in Hawaii

I know of several people in New York and Florida that have persimmon and we're talking less than 20' above sea level. I think it's more about the cultivar you select than altitude? 




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Condo" Mangoes
« on: June 08, 2014, 08:38:24 AM »
Here I am in Houston Texas without a mango tree.  I am about to take out an "early amber" peach because it is too big to net and the squirrels get all the fruit anyway.  I want to replace it with one of the condo mangoes.  Which ones are the most cold hardy?  Here in zone 9a we dip below freezing a couple time a winter (maybe as cold as 27 degrees, although it got to the low teens back in '89).

You may want to keep the peach and kill the squirrels, this way you get to eat meat and fruit :-)

I'll vouch for pickering staying small, mine is in the ground over a year, and I've had it 2+ years and it hasn't grown an inch. It flowered in the pot but dropped all the fruitlets last year when I put it in the ground. I'll wait till next spring and if it doesn't get kick started I'm going to pull it.

Maybe I'll put it back in a pot on my patio. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Alano Sapodilla Tasting
« on: June 08, 2014, 08:26:49 AM »
I stopped by Bender's Tropical Grove and bought a couple of mamey sapote fruits and some alano (along with OX and Tikal) sapodilla. I tasted a very ripe alano sapodilla today and it's the first time in my life that I ate a sapodilla. All I can say was "oh my God". I'm hooked now. It had a nice mamey and brown sugar flavor with a bit of a sweet flan after taste. I LOVED it!! I have to get an alano tree... The fruit was also seedless and on the small side.  :)

I have two Makok Sapodilla trees and like others here relish them, but all this talk about Alano and Tikal has my mouth watering :-)

I'm wondering, which of these two are the smaller? I'm running out of space and am faced with pulling unproductive trees out to make room.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shrubs
« on: June 05, 2014, 09:50:16 PM »
In South Florida I have Grumichama (flavor so-so) lemon and strawberry guava (good eating) Coffee, fig, acerola / barbados cherry (GREAT JUICE) and Jaboticaba. All need minimal ma agement for size.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taikal sapodilla self fertile?
« on: June 03, 2014, 04:50:51 PM »
Sapodilla is one of my favorite fruits and I have all kinds Tikal is the best. Don't know if it is self fertile but it is sweet.

Sapodilla and Canistel are mine. I have two Kakok trees and am considering another cultivar, does anyone know who has a good selection in South Florida?

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I love grapefruit.

I have one prime planting spot in my yard.

As a kid growing up in South Florida I remember seeing orange and grapefruit trees everywhere. Groves, gardens, yards, etc. Now I don't notice too many trees out and about.

I read about HLB / greening ruining Florida citrus.

I do not want a high-maintenance tree, a tree that requires heavy chemicals to protect,  or a tree that is likely to be killed several years down the road.

I too love grapefruit, but when mine died from reaching salt ground water I decided to not buy another.

You're right about citrus disappearing as a yard fruit, with the issues involved there are many other tropical fruits that have less problems.
 
I find carambola an excellent sweet / tart substitute. They make attractive trees, can provide shade without citrus thorns, have no disease issues and grow with little care. If you haven't tried home grown carambola do so, if you have tried store bought fruit don't judge them by the horrid store fruit in Florida.









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