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In Jamaica there was a scientist looking for A Annona
(I gave Him the link, & in info of the plane with Lasers In South America to find new species but He never replied)

Annona jamaicensis
https://inaturalist.nz/taxa/189297-Annona-jamaicensis


There was some herbal medicine place in the mountains (it was on First nations public Tv FNX or maybe Link TV. )
I wrote the place down but not sure where I put it -- I will check out my Notebook)

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I visit New Orleans , and areas (and lived there a year )

I'd be cool if I could get seeds or buy them of Florida Tomato

maybe I could trade ..

Also pollen might be cool (willing to pay, but not certain of the time it flowers )

(I may see the pollen   stores to pollintate later my tomato  (worth a gamble )


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I thank you digigarden for those links

I did see some tomato that can survive freezing
would be nice hybridizing , species (with paint brush)

I was going to dig up last years Heirloom (weather was funny winter crept up very late out of Now where )

Edit a quick though maybe I could just have to grow the one that can take frozen weather

And just graft onto roots with new Normal tomato

OH Digi garden

I did see a Garden catalog with Purple peppers (called black something)

A few new species that are pretty cool

Not a Solanum species, but a Annonaceae (cherimoya species ) has one that has a flower like a Solonum speices


I may have wanted to make a post one day, when I had a funny goofy sense of Humor... (oh, and new to science )

 

 

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Variegated sparkleberry
« on: June 10, 2022, 10:16:16 PM »
Very Nice looks like you could make money on a Native ....
(any pollen) or what time does it flower time of month please?

Now whats the name Sparkle berry that is eye catching (head turner ) pooka dots ? any idea's Calico
Waiting to see a persimmon or paw paw like this haha. Have you seen any like this? Ive been noticing a few other native species mostly weeds lately with that same yellow/green variegation. Could something be to this??

Someone did find a varigated persimmon

Some pawpaw seeds has been popping up with white leaves people get

I have not see anyone graft them onto a tree to try to save the white leaves
people also may not update (but I know some of these not getting chlorophyll have died)

(edit again yours looks stable )

I did read some on why variegation happens ..

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I worded that wrong

I meant some grapes may be oxidized may make the wine with them (separate )


(I do not want to sound like a bad wine maker (I syphon (or rack) my wine correctly
(have from the Beginning )


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If the grapes arrive fully frozen
will just freeze again, and not be so stressed, with time)


I also may oxidize some by purpose
(just trying blending, and making something special even if only a tiny fraction of oxidized wine gets blended )


( I do like to fix messed up food sometimes you get something great with the different off combinations
this is if it is a ton of food you may have to work at it for a 3 or 4 hours in small samples. .)

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I plan to make that Muscadine wine soon

Since I will not have much grapes (shipped frozen)
and expensive

I may be testing the acid  adding more tartaric acid (grape acid.,), and doing smaller batches adjusting each one

This is not so much for the wine

Just trying to know this grape before I buy more in season ..

(they are like 3 bucks a pound after shipping shipping is the problem with price )

I may do Pirate ship (printer broke)
but for now do not want to fool with it (never used it, and just do not want to stress over it )

I may just make the wine in a  Intuitive manner
I think that may eb the best one
(would like to know the numbers ,
but also do not want to stress out at this time. (I have short time frame.)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Berry ID
« on: June 07, 2022, 06:29:01 AM »
Apparently Chinese Privet , and Florida have a different latin name,
 but thanks to you actually I did not catch that (Florida Privet is new to me)


JJust wanted to say Our Privet has a gap from a few Dead ones From winter -40 F Polar vortex
I just saw this June berry cultivar  with small growth

Maybe I can hide one in a bare spots place
and try to convince my Mom to replace them all


\ Amelanchier Alnifolia 'Obelisk'

(random Nursery I am trying to boycott nurseries selling Japanese honeysuckle --
I pay taxes , and others do too to remove that crap -- but not sure if they sell invasive ones .)










https://www.midwestgroundcovers.com/plant/first-editions-standing-ovation-serviceberry/

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Dr. Robert Dunstan
« on: June 05, 2022, 02:53:22 AM »
Yes, he is responsible for the Dunstan Citrimelo. I have never heard of the mandarin. He is also in a way responsible for the Southern Home hybrid grape. His "impossible" hybrid material was given to Bob Zehnder who continued the work and eventually gave seed from some of his hybrids to Dr. Mortensen at the University of Florida. Mortensen grew the seed out selfed the best selection and from that seed grew the Southern Home grape which he patented. Neither Zehnder nor Dunstan are ever mentioned in the write up about the grape's development.
more on the fella here:
http://floridagrapes.com/dunstan/dunstanbio.html
"They said it couldn’t be done.
But Bob Dunstan did it.
And they began to call him a “Southern Luther Burbank.”
He successfully crossed the sturdy native American Muscadine
(Muscadinia rotundifolia) with the fancy elite European table “bunch” grape
(Vitis vinifera) - to create the basis for a whole new burgeoning grape
agribusiness in Florida, his adopted state."
What an inspiration


I'm fine, thanks.
It was from that Changsha tree about which you write that I received the fruits last autumn. All thanks to Alexey. But I haven't seen the tree itself yet. It grows in a closed part of the Nikitsky Botanical Garden. I planned to visit there this year with Alexey, but...
here's an even more recent video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Z4Qc3262w&feature=emb_imp_woyt
On camera, local agronomists attribute all the laurels to themselves without mentioning either you or Alexey. They say that they collected varieties all over the world.

Great pictures

I used to be able  to access more of those grape pictures
(here -- maybe I need to change browser  )
https://web.archive.org/web/20100417095043/http://www.grapebreeders.org/Gb/Articles/Bob_Zehnder/Bob.htm

Maybe these DRX selections (of grapes)
can hint people at least in USA to search the GrIN selections (of citrus)

Sorry if this does not help find His selections (of citrus Only a Idea ) would be interested to know though

https://thefruitblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/florida-grapes-website-gone.html

I also  saw Hs pictures on Way back machine not long ago

Not good with all the computer stuff though

(I cannot figure it out on https://www.ibiblio.org/ either
but may look at saved links I have maybe see some stuff saved and figure it out in about a week (or not)

(https://www.aol.com/zehndergrapes/ does not work for me_

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Berry ID
« on: June 04, 2022, 05:21:17 PM »
Simple question

what does the berry look like inside

Is the seed tiny (if not may be privet)


Honeysuckle family should have very tiny seeds
privet seeds should be larger .


I am no expert, but that is only a guess ...

You never know if the college would plant non native privet '
if so could spread over a entire area ...

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Berry ID
« on: June 04, 2022, 05:14:24 PM »
berries look the same

but keep in  mind when looking

are the leaves opposite of each other on branch
yours are (edit privet have opposite leaves as well)

I may go outside, and look at a privet . (to see if leaves are opposite or alternating )


By the way privet is in the olive family , but berries are said not to be edible
some privet that is not native is taking over in Southern IL.

Now I think In northern IL . our privet that is a ornamental is finally becoming invasive
(some seems to have fruited  once in 40 years
I have never saw berries form until a few years ago (and none since)
( but maybe fruited being weather related  that year)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Berry ID
« on: June 04, 2022, 05:05:07 PM »
Guess native Florida privet

I do not know just logged in for a minute.







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Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here...but bell peppers have problems
fruiting at all(at sea level)...you know there's a type of tomato called gajilete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMREiP1qI
that also produces well in puerto rico that came from those italian type of tomatoes, that must be that those can flower well
without tropical winter or mountain tropical weather...that's the thing that in mid to high elevations any tomato or bell pepper
does really well over here!! it's also possible to grow other type of tomatoes at lower altitudes but only during the winter will
they ever produce. Hydroponics is another story...maybe it can be done that way in lower altitudes but i'm not sure...for herbs yes.


di you hear the new purple (not cultivated )
species

New discovered

(noty this one

https://www.usna.usda.gov/assets/images/as_standard_image/Capsicum_annuum_Black_Pearl.pdf

It is nice talking with you
Any hel[p is welcome\

Capsicum regale
New

- https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/57751/zoom/fig/12/

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Oh they say

Europe tomato had no Disease

After 100 years the dieseas adapted

I cannot remember everything I read
guess you could say some guy claims this to be the case 
(named Francis Eric , and it is how it is )

 I have no proof

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Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
.


Yeah I am  confused myself

I look at my history with no luck (march 23rd (
Thought I had better research pages 


All I can say is Screw conventional thinking as far as cooking
They say egg plant is good for frying (on the farm -- not jail)
I had in crook pot mushy cook all day long



Quote
However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here.

good to know
soundgarden song said know at same time




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tHANK you good to haVE  actually someone experienced

for me I guess it is by the books
or just interested in botany (i Am )

what I wonder is those native Florida ones

All this I have no Idea

I want to learn more of others experiences

One thing I learned is sometimes on the out side
playing pool or billards sometimes the person winning has no idea what they are doing (that is me

(by the way This Leoopn Russal masquerade song is good)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Treating mosaic virus with aspirin.
« on: June 01, 2022, 02:26:08 PM »
OH I read only 2 aspirin per gallon

Maybe others will know

you did say to water plants , but if he'd spray on plant leaves

would  He add a drop of dish soap so the fungicide stick on ?\


I am not sure so thought to ask?


By the way a good cup of tea of willow leaves is good if got a head ache ,

69


I hope this tomato post  is received well enough
AND  no tomato throwing at me .


https://theconversation.com/modern-tomatoes-are-very-different-from-their-wild-ancestors-and-we-found-missing-links-in-their-evolution-130041

Well could be a good thing to get the tomato's  thrown at me!
I' m poor could use for Bloody Mary  or just plain food (adding tbsp. Mayo to "sour tomato paste is not bad)

I guess I can now go on my history for that day, and find the more scientific stuff

(I got to say more interested in natural selections , and not Gene editing
Sorry will not let me copy picture of wild to cultivated tomato picture they have.)







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Hi I have been searching my history for this even taking hours
looked at the science web site in my previous  history  searched solanum (Solanaceae )
Smithsonian in my previous (ctrl +h) history  etc (Jstor BSA other reasearch articles I may have read )


All in all just found it just searched my history under tomato
go figure ..

I hope this tomato post  is received well enough
AND  no tomato throwing at me .


https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/02/03/we_found_missing_links_in_tomato_evolution_111279.html

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Treating mosaic virus with aspirin.
« on: June 01, 2022, 01:24:49 PM »
Sounds expenisve but if only for a test?
weeping Willow has aspirin as well as willow species (and others species not related  like  birch aspen )

or salicylic acid (it converts in the body to aspirin compound)

Also a rooting hormone

Soak the willow branches water for 3 days

I have done as well with leaves but keep in mind leaves can float , and get mold
you can weigh down bag with leaves in bucket with a cotton sock in a rock oops rock in a sock .

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I have some restaurant bus bins that were used for an event and then given to me. I use these for garden stuff but not planted in them. After 2-3 years outside, they show no signs of deterioration. I keep another one in my trunk and find it infinitely useful, especially when you buy a dirty, wet bag of soil, etc.

Also a concrete mixing pan that I use as an inground water feature, going strong after 20+ years. Currently obtainable pans may be totally different plastic, of course. These items sometimes show up at thrift stores. The rectangular shape may not be the best, although they do line up nicely on a growing/potting bench.

Thank you that is what I was talking about Bus bins

Off topic , but with these bins

You can also get free Plastic wrap used for packaging in dumpsters
cover these bins, and start seeds inside the covered bins (as a humidity chamber )

(soil should have perlite for air also be observant of temps )

you could always lay mesh screen (chicken wire or aka hardware cloth )

on bottom when seed grows flood the bins with water , and pull up the wire mesh, and seeds trapped ..


Not certain if that is any good for citrus (is for pawpaw)
maybe wait till seeds harden off not too stress to much ..

(note I initially deleted my original post not to get off topic ,
but all in all I am attempting using these again (bad soil)
 I usually use aquariums , and have done so with great results for many years
More perlite more root hairs as well )
 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« on: May 30, 2022, 03:07:08 PM »
That is the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It is on an island in Norway. 
There was a higher amount of water than expected that got into the vault in 2016 but the seeds were not damaged.  It spooked authorities enough that they did some re-designing. 

It holds something like a million different crops. Pretty cool!

Too bad most of my favorites are recalcitrant, and can't be represented there...

Carolyn

I am not certain if all tropical species can be preserved cryogenically , but here it says banana can

I do not think I know yet
maybe I will start a new post in the mean time ..

(I just happen to see this (I was reading about wild apples on a biodiversity site -- or to save it)

Have a Nice day.

https://alliancebioversityciat.org/services/genebanks/international-musa-germplasm-transit-centre

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« on: May 30, 2022, 12:50:38 PM »
I am also not certain , but my guess is the wild seeds may eventually just adapt to tiny wild cherry tomato's
but not certain.

Quote
But since tomatoes are of tropical origin (México) the further south you are the more of 'em you will likely have to eat to keep 'em in check!  (Those tiny, almost-wild 'currant tomotoes' are really tasty but can be really prolific!)

Just for the record Tomato is from South America not Mexico , but was brought there
I am trying to find the article now (about it moving about.)




(I know some native plants can be aggressive in t the native  climate
If I ever sell plants in a Nursery or even just have would like to let people know of the aggressive behavior - -
for instance native elderberry can spread -- would like to inform the people -- that is if I ever do sell  )



I have destroyed a few  invasive plants species , and also plan to warn others.


I hope I am not sounding like I am implying native plants are pests

Some plants are pioneer species   take over a area or colonize it so larger species can over take them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« on: May 30, 2022, 08:46:00 AM »
Plantinyum I see you question if these could become A pest ?

If your up to it you could leave a few to see how they reseed or produce ?
What are your thoughts on that?

I too would love to try to determine what may be invasive responsibly (netting fruit running trials)
Maybe not by my own desires (of what others might do)

I do not have the land in this point in life .
(I know some native plants can be aggressive in t the native  climate
If I ever sell plants in a Nursery or even just have would like to let people know of the aggressive behavior - -
for instance native elderberry can spread -- would like to inform the people -- that is if I ever do sell  )

(edit oh, and educate myself with the arboretums testing plants as well  (Morten arboretum is close to me. in Chicago land. )

I have destroyed a few  invasive plants species , and also plan to warn others.

Very interestung! Most annual plants that can't survive freezing temperatures have seeds that will survive being frozen as long as they are completely dry. I know someone who stores all their garden seeds in the freezer--yes even beans and other tender plants like luffa. They even stored sugar apple seeds that way. I was shocked when those same sugar apple seeds sprouted after 6 months or more in the freezer! I don't have the nerve to pull stuff like that. With my luck I would stick them in there before they were completely dry and kill everything.  ::)

The had some giant seed bank in sweden or norway where they had millions of seeds stored frozen.  It was supposed to be the Noahs ark of seeds in case there was a major catastrophy and the world needed to replant.  Something happened with it and it flooded or something.  Would have to go check what went wrong.  But the point is they were freezing the seeds which makes them last much longer.

That is the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It is on an island in Norway. 
There was a higher amount of water than expected that got into the vault in 2016 but the seeds were not damaged.  It spooked authorities enough that they did some re-designing. 


It holds something like a million different crops. Pretty cool!

Too bad most of my favorites are recalcitrant, and can't be represented there...

Carolyn



Just Checking the forum
They can also do cryogenic preservation of buds
One tree a year may cost $75 to $100 bucks a Year
Frozen buds in Nitrogen a year cost $1 buck
(see part of  post below)



I just saw how they can do this for apples
(copied from article)



(cryogenic process )
https://www.ars.usda.gov/northeast-area/geneva-ny/plant-genetic-resources-unit-pgru/docs/about-pgru/clonal-propagated-crops/cryopreservation-process/

(article)

https://www.ars.usda.gov/northeast-area/geneva-ny/plant-genetic-resources-unit-pgru/docs/about-pgru/clonal-propagated-crops/

here are typically two clones maintained for each accession in the Unit’s vineyard and orchard. Due to a large number of accessions housed, maintenance costs are very high. In fact, it costs $75 to $100 each year to maintain each whole tree or vine in the field, but only about $1 to preserve it cryogenically. This, coupled with the collection’s vulnerability to insect pests, diseases, and natural disasters, suggests that it is no longer prudent and cost effective to maintain the entire genetic diversity of these crops as whole plants.

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