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« on: September 02, 2020, 06:21:46 AM »
What species is this pf ?? Tanks for any recomendations !












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Re: Passion fruit id
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2020, 08:09:40 AM »
p. quadrangularis?

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2020, 08:15:33 AM »
2 choices either quadrangularis or alata and I am rootin for the former but that young fruit does look small.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2020, 09:03:25 AM »
2 choices either quadrangularis or alata and I am rootin for the former but that young fruit does look small.
that is the only bud that managed to hang on and grow, it hasnt flowered yet. I also thought that it is one of the two suggested . Are guadrangularis and alata self fruitfull, or do they need to be polinated with a non relative plant.
Will post a pic when the flower blooms ,so it is easier to identify . Thanks for your sujesstions.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2020, 11:07:49 AM »
Looks similar to my Passiflora Decaisneana.
I'm watching some small flower buds on it as well.

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I've heard it referred to as "Purple Dragon"
Supposed to be a cross between Ruby Glow and quadrangularis... don't hold me to that info though.

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2020, 10:00:03 AM »
Looks similar to my Passiflora Decaisneana.
I'm watching some small flower buds on it as well.

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I've heard it referred to as "Purple Dragon"
Supposed to be a cross between Ruby Glow and quadrangularis... don't hold me to that info though.
your right ,it looks the same ,actually to me all the guadrangularis carieties look the same . Waiting for the flower to pop up to take a pic . Have your above mentioned pf gave fruit to u , or is it going to flower for the first time also. Do u know if this variety is self fertile, if mine turns out to be also.I will polinate the flower with its pollen and will cnow in a few days I suppose.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 10:32:29 AM »
This is my first growing season of this variety... and so far no fruit or blooms... patiently waiting and watching the buds now!

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2020, 01:12:27 PM »
I think tomorrow is the day , will take a pic when open and post.I  Will polinate it with its own pollen , hope its a self fertile variety.


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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2020, 02:32:10 AM »
Sooooo, what particular guadrangularis variety do u all think it might be ?








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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2020, 08:27:21 AM »
Here's a few shots of mine blooming also today
Supposedly Passiflora Decaisneana:










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Re: Passion fruit id
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2020, 09:52:47 AM »
Here's a few shots of mine blooming also today
Supposedly Passiflora Decaisneana:










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haha I thought I was looking at my pics for a second, they are the same literally , do u know if this variety is self fertile and have u tried to pollinate the flowers with theyr own pollen ?? Tanks 😀 
 
Pc: I self polinated it, guess if its self fertile the fruit should start growing in a few days, thought I know that there might be other forces at paly like maturity of plant, water and fertilizer, temps etc etc.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2020, 10:45:12 AM »
2 choices either quadrangularis or alata and I am rootin for the former but that young fruit does look small.
Your quote under 'MikeT, has definitely caused considerable confusion in this forum. Sorry please don't think otherwise. Your comments seem to be not the problem. We are used to reading highly practical, exhaustive, personally experienced comments from a down under Tropical Queenslander Mike T! who happens to be a hero member. I just wonder what my other fellow members feel about this?

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2020, 10:55:29 AM »
This is the first time these have bloomed... and these particular blooms are so high up my back hedge that I had to get a 12ft step ladder to take the photos!
I've been trying to train several other growth tips to bloom at a somewhat more reasonable height.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2020, 11:15:08 AM »
Ok sorry if I confused anyone with my fast comment that was a bit hit and run. The square stem pins it down to the two species I mentioned and decaisneana I believe is a cross between the two I think. P.quad. is more robust a bit more purplish in the flower and flowers are bigger. The fruit of course is very different with thick aromatic edible flesh. Quadrangularis doesn't have named varieties as far as I know but some have yellower or rounder fruit. Isolated vines can set a few fruit but prefer to cross with another vine.

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2020, 02:33:38 PM »
Thank u all for the thoughts ,I will keep u posted with the happenings regarding the flower !!

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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2020, 03:07:07 PM »
I hope you read my above comment as a whole again regarding confusion. Thanks.

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2020, 07:05:23 PM »
Yes, p. decaisneana has square stem and is alata X quadrangularis
Ok sorry if I confused anyone with my fast comment that was a bit hit and run. The square stem pins it down to the two species I mentioned and decaisneana I believe is a cross between the two I think. P.quad. is more robust a bit more purplish in the flower and flowers are bigger. The fruit of course is very different with thick aromatic edible flesh. Quadrangularis doesn't have named varieties as far as I know but some have yellower or rounder fruit. Isolated vines can set a few fruit but prefer to cross with another vine.

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2020, 01:09:33 AM »
I hope you read my above comment as a whole again regarding confusion. Thanks.
  it may be a bit silly but I did not get I was directed for me ,if I did something wrong I apologize . I think everyone's sugesstion could be taken as a confusion ,since without dna test we are basically just guessing here ,either way , but I know in this forum there are people who know the characteristics of plants and can narrow down a accurate suggestion. Once again I apologise for any confusion I have made .
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2020, 08:55:53 AM »
My comment was either not read completely nor understood so far. I was ONLY acknowledging the confusion due to perceptual similarities between commentators MikeT and Mike T. Period.

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2021, 11:55:45 PM »
I have a question for both you Plantinyum and Kevin.

Did you ever get a fruit to set on your passion fruit flower?

I have one that I don't know what variety is it. I bought a small plant thinking it was Lilikoi but after I posted my flower photos I was informed that I have a Passiflora Decaisneana.

Here's a photo of my flower on my vine. I also have another 4 flowers that will open in a week (11/27/21). The first flower shown in this photo was hand pollinated but it did not hold, if fell off with no fruit set.





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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2021, 01:29:19 AM »
I have a question for both you Plantinyum and Kevin.

Did you ever get a fruit to set on your passion fruit flower?

I have one that I don't know what variety is it. I bought a small plant thinking it was Lilikoi but after I posted my flower photos I was informed that I have a Passiflora Decaisneana.

Here's a photo of my flower on my vine. I also have another 4 flowers that will open in a week (11/27/21). The first flower shown in this photo was hand pollinated but it did not hold, if fell off with no fruit set.




hi, no i did not get any fruit set on mine the past year ,back then it only had like 2-3 flowers.
This year i planted it in my gh in the ground and it exploded with growth trought summer, it started blooming around september just as the temps started to cool down.
It had i would guess around 40 flowers this year ,as one might expect i self pollinated them as best as i could yet it did not set any fruit this year also.
One observation i had was that the first blooms were the biggest and most colourfull ,as the blooming period was rollin  the blooms were getting smaller and paler, like the one in your pic.  Seems the species is a fall bloomer in my region so it does not help itself setting fruit , since it misses the optimal conditions for the purpose.
In one tread people suggested to cross it with caerulea pollen ,i  was going to do that but instead got my caerulea plants severely neglected and did not had a single bloom this year. If u have one flowering now, i suggest u to try to cross them.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2021, 01:49:14 AM »
Yes, I hope I get more than one flower opening at the same time so I will cross pollinate the flowers. I also heard from Hoang that it's to late now for the flowers to set and that they will probably all fall off. Since it is the first time my vines have flowers in 5-6 yrs maybe it will be different and set one fruit.

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2021, 02:35:58 AM »
Yes, I hope I get more than one flower opening at the same time so I will cross pollinate the flowers. I also heard from Hoang that it's to late now for the flowers to set and that they will probably all fall off. Since it is the first time my vines have flowers in 5-6 yrs maybe it will be different and set one fruit.

i dont think that crossing flowers from the same plant will work, its the same genotype.  U need a different plant from the same species, or other passiflora species that are known to succesfully cross pollinate  with quadrangularis and its hybrids .
Yesterday i saw my plant having one flower bud thats growing, funny since its close to the wood stove and got 50% of it severy toasted from the heat. I am not heating right now, just had several test firings, one time i got the fire so strong it just partially damaged some of the plants close to it.

The plant is currently also having new vegetative growth, the lowest temp in gh till now was 3.8 C.

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2021, 08:53:45 AM »
Kaz,

I have Hoang’s decaisneana started from cutting this past spring planted at the farm.  It bloomed and set set fruit last week with the warmer weather we had.  I did not hand pollinate.  I wasn’t there when it bloomed, I’ll take a picture of fruit set tomorrow.  I was surprised it was blooming from first year cutting.

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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2021, 01:46:34 PM »
Hoang’s PD doesn’t need pollens from another variety - using the pollens from the same flower works well. In fact, Hoang said pollens from regular passion fruits (that flower opens upward) wouldn’t work.

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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2021, 06:29:06 PM »
Janet, wow that is quick. Yes please take a photo of the fruit set, would like to see what it looks like.

Ken, glad you mentioned the hand pollination from the same flower, I do remember Hoang said that now. I just hand pollinated the flower today, here's a few more photos of my flower taken today. I have 3-4 more that might open in another week so I will continue to pollinate them, maybe one will set.









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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2021, 12:18:52 AM »
Kaz, in my experience when the vine isn’t ready it won’t hold any fruits no matter how well you hand pollinate them. Happened to me the first year. No fruits despite hand pollination. Then second year it worked totally fine

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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2021, 01:57:46 AM »
Kaz, in my experience when the vine isn’t ready it won’t hold any fruits no matter how well you hand pollinate them. Happened to me the first year. No fruits despite hand pollination. Then second year it worked totally fine
I really hope that this is the case with my plant also, hope it sets something next year and i will try to find a way to make it bloom earlier ,while the warm weather is present.
One thing that i wonder is if the colder temps triggered it to bloom that late??

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2021, 04:27:57 PM »
Looks like it bloomed yesterday, plus pics of fruit set from last week.  The fruit have grown fast.




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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2021, 10:53:59 PM »
Janet, wow your fruits looks big already. I hope I get one flower to set fruit. I just pollinated 2 more today and I saw another 5 that might open by next week. When I looked at my flowers closer it looks like it doesn't have any pollen on the pedals so maybe that's my problem. It may need another year before my flowers have pollen. I just used my purple passion flower pollen since the PD didn't seem to have any in the flowers.

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2021, 12:11:20 AM »
Janet, wow your fruits looks big already. I hope I get one flower to set fruit. I just pollinated 2 more today and I saw another 5 that might open by next week. When I looked at my flowers closer it looks like it doesn't have any pollen on the pedals so maybe that's my problem. It may need another year before my flowers have pollen. I just used my purple passion flower pollen since the PD didn't seem to have any in the flowers.

Kaz when in the day did you check for the pollen? I think it's possible that PF flowers form pollens later in the day.

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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2021, 01:12:35 AM »
I checked for pollen at about 4pm, before I hand pollinated today.

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2021, 03:04:08 AM »
Janet, wow your fruits looks big already. I hope I get one flower to set fruit. I just pollinated 2 more today and I saw another 5 that might open by next week. When I looked at my flowers closer it looks like it doesn't have any pollen on the pedals so maybe that's my problem. It may need another year before my flowers have pollen. I just used my purple passion flower pollen since the PD didn't seem to have any in the flowers.
My plant was also very variable in regard  to having pollen on the flowers. Some of them had a good amount, others had none. I think the late flowers barely had any pollen, low temps may be the cause.

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2021, 03:26:19 AM »
Yes, you may be correct about the cold temperature and no pollen. But my purple fruit passion (passiflora edulis) flowers seems to have no problem with lots of pollen and when I hand pollinated them last week the fruits set and it is doing well.

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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2021, 09:22:34 AM »
Yes, you may be correct about the cold temperature and no pollen. But my purple fruit passion (passiflora edulis) flowers seems to have no problem with lots of pollen and when I hand pollinated them last week the fruits set and it is doing well.
edulis is bullet proof for me . Flowers are awlays full of pollen, sets truit on every hand pollinated flower, some times on ones that i havent pollinated also...
Another problematic passiflora for me is ligularis. The two plants got huge, had tiny flower bud starts all over the place, none of which managed to grow and flower. If those and my quadrangularis do survive the winter i will give them one more summer ,and if there isnt any impovement i will take them out and plant an purple edulis, which has never let me down on fruit production.

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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2021, 10:11:02 AM »
I have Hoang's passiflora decaisneana that I grew from cuttings this past winter ago.. It went crazy over the summer, got probably 100+ flowers.. Finally ripened a couple weeks ago.. The flowers look different than yours, maybe yours is a hybrid?












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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2021, 10:33:54 AM »






Here are a few pics of mine when it bloomed. I had posted pics of the blooms before , but they were with an stranje off colour to them from the pic, so posting those which are closer to the real deal.
I still cant differenciate the flowers of  quadrangularis, decaisneana and others that look close to those two.
However now when i took a look of the flowers of my plant, the look kinda different to those of SC4001992, mine are not so wavy....

I have Hoang's passiflora decaisneana that I grew from cuttings this past winter ago.. It went crazy over the summer, got probably 100+ flowers.. Finally ripened a couple weeks ago.. The flowers look different than yours, maybe yours is a hybrid?












What was the taste of those beauties ?? Was the rind edible ?

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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2021, 10:54:52 AM »
Yours looks more closely to mine than SC4001992, I think his are different perhaps. The easiest way to tell between Quad. and Decais. is by looking at the Petoiles on the leaves.. Quad leaves have more of 3 pairs, while Decais. has mostly 2 pairs.. Also the Quad. leaves seem to be more rounded.. I have a hard time growing Quad. they don't seem very vigorous for me.

As for the taste, I would say it is a sweeter than the Edulis with less sourness so pretty good eating fresh.. I found the seeds weren't crunchy but more flat. The rind was edible, but kind of bland.. It taste like a the section of a cantaloupe closer to the rind.. Definitely edible but not something to write home about. I want to compare with the Quad. as those are much thicker and supposedly better. There is some Trinidadian recipe where you strain the seed juice and blend up the rind and add some sugar/cream, I tried that and it was pretty good like a milkshake.







Here are a few pics of mine when it bloomed. I had posted pics of the blooms before , but they were with an stranje off colour to them from the pic, so posting those which are closer to the real deal.
I still cant differenciate the flowers of  quadrangularis, decaisneana and others that look close to those two.
However now when i took a look of the flowers of my plant, the look kinda different to those of SC4001992, mine are not so wavy....

I have Hoang's passiflora decaisneana that I grew from cuttings this past winter ago.. It went crazy over the summer, got probably 100+ flowers.. Finally ripened a couple weeks ago.. The flowers look different than yours, maybe yours is a hybrid?












What was the taste of those beauties ?? Was the rind edible ?

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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2021, 01:47:20 PM »
MisterPlantee, your plant is impressive and to get fruits in less than 2 years is great. Those fruits are very large, congrats.

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2021, 01:42:40 AM »
So just checked my plant and the petioles mosly have two pairs of two glands every petiole. Some of them have three pairs...
So was reading s3veral studies on the subject, and this one does an comparison of alata, quadrangularis and decaisneana. Decaisneana is said to have 4 glands on the petiole in 90%of the time, compared to quadrangularis which should have 6 glands most of the time.  Alata is out of the guessing game, since its flower is vissibly different, whereas the other two are harder to distinguish apart. This information iis basically the same , compared to the one provided from MisterPlantee.
Also by the pic my flowers look closer to decaisneana, so hopefully ive got my proper id .
Several studies also claimed that decaisneana is commonly sold as quadrangularis, another hint.

https://www.passionflow.co.uk/p-alata-comparison-id/
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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2021, 09:18:43 AM »
Pics my daughter took of the blooms.





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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2021, 01:35:32 PM »
Janet, nice photos of the flowers. I can see all the pollen on your flowers, mine does not seem to show any yellow pollen.

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2021, 03:38:47 PM »
Plantinyum, take a look at the leaves of my vine, I see 3 pairs of glands (6 total) so does it mean my plant is a P. Quad?





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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2021, 04:24:27 PM »
Plantinyum, take a look at the leaves of my vine, I see 3 pairs of glands (6 total) so does it mean my plant is a P. Quad?




I am not sure but judging by the above article, it may be it. I see that your plant has three sets of glants on every leaf, no matter the size. I am saying this since my plant has tre sets only on the biggest leaves, the smaller ones have two sets. I cant see by your photo ,but the glands on yours seem smaller than the  ones on mine, which are pointy.

Your leaves also seem rounder than mine. I did not harvest more leaves to picture since the plant is in a poor condition right now. I have shown a petiole and the glands on it also. The perfect leaf is pretty much how all of them are, as shape goes ... the biggest difference i see between both plant leaves is that mine has this elongation on the tip of the leaf, i'm sure there a botanical name for that...





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