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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: October 02, 2023, 01:55:55 PM »
stoked! there is motivation and seeds to plant more paw paw
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there any other fruits worth growing?
« on: October 02, 2023, 01:52:02 PM »
you could plant some Jaboticaba and Jujube

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety?
« on: October 01, 2023, 10:11:01 PM »
I am sure we just have different taste buds.
Sharwil is the only Avocado I like to eat slices of on itís own, every other kind I prefer mixed with other foods. It also keepís itía color and flavor better than any other . Comparing to a dry canistel is sacrilege and far off base say my taste buds.

The suggestion was not to add water but lemon juice , which should be common anyhow to help from turning brown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: October 01, 2023, 10:02:03 PM »
I hope so, I wish everyone could be eating Achachairuís.
It sounds like it will be a success either way for you having gone through the experience.

It took me awhile to figure out growing cherimoya from seed and getting them up to grafting size.
Some things take awhile to dial in where within your own microclimate things thrive.

Plant a paw paw orchard! That is the annona family that will do great with 90 and 100ís and low 20ís .

I think it is more cold incompatibility than anything else as Cherimoya is the only Annona that has a chance outside a heated greenhouse that far north and inland. And you'd still need some protection and the right variety to fruit Cherimoya in Napa.
It was a crappy year for Cherimoya in nor cal this year with the cold wet winter.
Aichacharu maybe with a heated greenhouse but will take a lot of dedication and years.
mangosteen you need a greenhouse in south Florida . so you can watch it grow for a season in CA, like growing durian , but it is an experiment that has 1 final outcome.



Iím in Napa and my cherilata died at the graft last winter. I donít think it was an issue of climate. More like something to do with the graft failing or something like that. But Iím not sure about that.
For true mangosteen youíll probably need a greenhouse. All my small Garcinia seedlings died last winter (no purple mangosteen), but Iím trying again with some Achachas.
Good luck!
Aaron

Shame to hear. I was planning on just bringing the mangosteen inside during late fall. Where did you get your cherilata from? I've been having trouble finding them with shipping.

I got it from a friend on this forum. But, like I said, I doubt itís a climate problem. It was doing great through the coldest part of the winter but declined suddenly, prior to flushing in the spring. Iíve had a few annona grafts decline after growing well for a season. Iíve heard there are weird graft compatibility and graft failure issues with annonas so I assume itís something to do with that. Iíll give it another try.

I hear great things about Achacha (Achachairu), a relative of the purple mangosteen. I think itís worth trying to grow here. I have several going and will provide more protection than I have in previous years in an effort to get one old enough to hopefully handle our winters.

I think longans should do well here.

My results with Garcinia seedlings last year confirm your Achacha prediction. But, Joe Real told me a couple small Achacha seedlings survived outside last winter for him. I think heís in Davis? Anyway, Iím only about half a scientist, so Iím happy to pick and choose my data sets and I donít really have much invested in the project so hopefully Iíll be eating Achachas and youíll be eating your words! Lol, just being silly. Iím definitely pushing it and will be willing to admit defeatÖ eventually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: October 01, 2023, 05:39:29 PM »
I think it is more cold incompatibility than anything else as Cherimoya is the only Annona that has a chance outside a heated greenhouse that far north and inland. And you'd still need some protection and the right variety to fruit Cherimoya in Napa.
It was a crappy year for Cherimoya in nor cal this year with the cold wet winter.
Aichacharu maybe with a heated greenhouse but will take a lot of dedication and years.
mangosteen you need a greenhouse in south Florida . so you can watch it grow for a season in CA, like growing durian , but it is an experiment that has 1 final outcome.



Iím in Napa and my cherilata died at the graft last winter. I donít think it was an issue of climate. More like something to do with the graft failing or something like that. But Iím not sure about that.
For true mangosteen youíll probably need a greenhouse. All my small Garcinia seedlings died last winter (no purple mangosteen), but Iím trying again with some Achachas.
Good luck!
Aaron

Shame to hear. I was planning on just bringing the mangosteen inside during late fall. Where did you get your cherilata from? I've been having trouble finding them with shipping.

I got it from a friend on this forum. But, like I said, I doubt itís a climate problem. It was doing great through the coldest part of the winter but declined suddenly, prior to flushing in the spring. Iíve had a few annona grafts decline after growing well for a season. Iíve heard there are weird graft compatibility and graft failure issues with annonas so I assume itís something to do with that. Iíll give it another try.

I hear great things about Achacha (Achachairu), a relative of the purple mangosteen. I think itís worth trying to grow here. I have several going and will provide more protection than I have in previous years in an effort to get one old enough to hopefully handle our winters.

I think longans should do well here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety?
« on: October 01, 2023, 02:37:15 PM »
dry? I never thought of Sharwil or any Avocado as dry.  If that is the word though, I'll take it over wet.
The watery WI Avocado , smoothie kind.
Sharwil is toppa top and size has nothing to do with it, they are smaller than most .
Describing mexicola as creamy is making me rethink adjective definitions.

Pinkerton , Ota, Sharwil , Gillogoly, Reed and Jan Boyce are some of my favorites

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What a stunner, she is beautiful.
Plant a seed, hope is the order of the day.

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Your high tunnel could go above 100 every day with no shade cloth in summer. It would mostly benefit you being able to overwinter some species that would die otherwise, and seed starting and seedling space. . You could try potted Cherry of the Rio Grand  and Jaboticaba in a high tunnel or greenhouse.
30 miles inland , you will do best with figs, mulberry , persimmon, paw paw, stone fruit pomme fruit and berries planted outdoors.
I would plant a persimmon grove of all kinds, especially coffeecake and chocolate. Your soil sounds epic so if there is enough sunlight and water you'll do great. How much area is fenced?

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I would build a high tunnel if you want to grow sub tropicals in that environment. No subtropicals like it that cold , and most want it warmer as well.
Cherries and Figs can be tough too because , how many days a year are your temps in the 80's ? How foggy and close to the coast can play a big part.
If your too close to the coast and too foggy, It's hard to grow tomato's and you may as well plant artichokes and brassica's.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: September 29, 2023, 04:12:51 PM »
Cherimoya will do better but definitely graft Cherilata onto Cherimoya , put it in a primo spot and hope for the best.
It will grow just maybe not make an edible fruit. If your in a hotter part of the bay, all the better.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Wampee (Clausena Lansium)
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:43:00 PM »
Has it fruited?
I've bought a 15 gallon wampee from California Tropical Fruit Tree Nursery in Vista.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Francisco fruit recommendations
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:41:23 PM »
Correct. Not sure, some years, they are doing their little bush thing.
It's a big park , haha. I like to bike ride and skate through some of the area's.
The parks plantings are well irrigated, I believe the row I am thinking of by the bathrooms closer to the beach was too.

I don't think SF differs from a lot of coastal Oregon much , cold and foggy.
The other side of the Bay and plenty of micro climates in between is a different story.
It's not going to do well planted next to the fruiting Mango tree on Stevens Creek.

Barath was the person responsible for propagating all the rare fruits that were for sale at the Merritt College plant sales circa 2012-2015.
He is on off.




I love how Ugni Molinae is just planted around golden gate park randomly , the botanical garden nursery is fairly prolific.
While there is not much in the way of good edible fruit at the botanical garden, there is a number of neat species to check for.
Bolivian mountain Coco's, Mac Nut, and different unique Passiflora hybrids. Not to mention it is just an epic huge garden .

You could also go to the giant glass greenhouse in golden gate park that is a mile or so from the arboretum.
There are a lot of non fruiting big tropical fruits there and it is really cool in it's own right.
Well worth the visit there was well.

For fruits go to the Ferry building farmers market for the best selection of CA grown organic fruit, direct from the farm.




Species in SFBG

Austromyrtus dulcis
Drimys lanceolata
Luma apiculata
Syzygium smithii
Ugni molinae

at least a few more

There are extensive plantings of Ugni molinae in golden gate park? How long have they been there? Are they under some sort of irrigation? I always thought Ugni was from Chile's equivalent of coastal Oregon. I knew they used to propagate those like crazy at Merrick college and even sell them at their plant sale, but I didn't realize that it was compatible with the bay area climate.

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I gave away all the seedling from that batch 5 years ago.
Glacially slow in Santa Cruz. They were still 2-3" tall after 3 years.
Thanks for bringing them in though, only time I have seen them available.


You have to taste fresh S. queretaroensis to see why. The poor shelf life, limited season between May to July depending on year, and potential for crop failure is high. The monsoon rains coming to soon during the final ripening can ruin crop.

The flavor is more fruity and sweet intensity compared to dragon fruit. The texture is like a dragon fruit mixed with a ripe fig. It's syrupy sweet with intense berry flavors. Some can taste like raspberry jam. This was my experience with them at least from the plants producing in Southern Zacatecas.

This cactus is worth the trouble to grow. I can see potential in interior warm areas 9B or higher of Southern CA, Southern Nevada, and Southern Arizona.

It can take a while to fruit from seed 7 years or more. Mature cuttings are hard to source. I am 5 years in from ones grown from seeds.

My largest surviving is a seedling from a large orange fruit which was the sweetest of the fruits I tried. I am hoping in the next 2 years I can get it to flower.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kei apple cold tolerance
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:30:21 PM »
Where , who has a self fertile variety?

So are self-fertile varieties commonly grown or are you guys all having one known male + one known female... or planting 5+ to ensure both?

I know these are supposed to be dioecious but I keep seeing things that suggest otherwise.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kei apple cold tolerance
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:29:38 PM »
I have never seen rat or deer issue's with Kei apple. There are 2 huge bushes at UCSC right in constant every day sort of deer grazing and bedding habitat. Coincidentally there is a huge wood rat nest in one of the 2 bushes, and a gaggle of Quail.
Maybe they have better options than Kei Apple to eat here , whereas it is considered primo food in your location.
Rats can get a taste for different things and then girdle , or they do it at the end of summer when there is no water , just for the moisture.
I was very surprised to see rats girdle Cherimoya, since nothing including gophers seem to touch them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kei apple cold tolerance
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:23:33 PM »

The only fruit I have planted on a ridge top in hard off limestone/sandstone that took it like a champ and kept growing with Zero irrigation after year 1.
You might get frost nipped but I'll be darned these guy's are tough planted out in CA.
If I could only get a graft to take , maybe I could solve my pollination issue. Dennis sent the good one's perfect time of year in March/April and they all failed for me.
That tree was right near the sidewalk in the neighborhood so I cut the trunk with a chainsaw to 2' and hooked a chain up to my truck to pull it out of the ground. It budged but my clutch was stinking and it wasn't coming , so I gave up . It has regrown and threatens any who dare come near it.

I have some I'm testing out here in 9b, but they're kinda under some oaks. Hope they'll take some frost! There is a huge thicket of them established down in town at Franchesci Park, so there is a chance, but that's 10a.

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All the Puerto Rico Sellers on here are awesome.
Maybe it's EBay.


not convinced it is a mangosteen.  i am very weary of ANYTHING coming out of puerto rico.  ive purchased multiple "mangosteens" and other plants from PR on ebay that turned out to be something else.  would you mind sharing who the seller was?

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Animated video please! or a Pitangatooooba, Pitangatoooba repost will suffice  8)


Sung to the tune of "My Sharona"

My Pitomba!


Kevin

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Wampee (Clausena Lansium)
« on: September 16, 2023, 02:38:09 PM »
Even if it was legal at this point, I have never seen or heard of a fruiting size for sale in CA.
The 1 fruiting tree I have seen in CA mysteriously vanished from the university it was planted at.
In my mind that would have to be minimum 25 gallon and a few thousand .
But there are zero nurseries selling Wampee in CA.
Seed's are the only responsible route right now with the state wide citrus psyllid quarantine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« on: September 16, 2023, 02:26:19 PM »
I grafted Marta's red Surinam that has no ridges & is low resin and delicious.
I like a little resin flavor with my Surinam , but this one is highly agreeable and top notch.
It's maybe a Lolita descendent. I think that red with no ridges kind has been in CA for 50+ years.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: High Stake Grafts
« on: September 16, 2023, 02:21:46 PM »
Hopefully, there is enough flowering Hirsuta's around now to put them together and test the theory.
I found them to be  pretty non demanding little tree's, while I did lose 1 of the 2 I got from you overwinter from neglect or just planted in a bad spot, the other is cruising on this summer's neglect. No flowers without water though.


These seedlings are from seeds imported from Brazil! They are probably the same batch but should be genetically distinct enough to provide pollen as a distinct parent.

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That'll be awesome.
So can anyone confirm the Expo's move to Ventura is permanent, or at least locked in for next year?

I'll be up there for the next one. With plenty of good trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: High Stake Grafts
« on: September 15, 2023, 03:54:32 PM »
Is there multiple sources for Hirsuta, or you just have the one plant and need another seedling with any presumed possible genetic difference?
I would have guessed these were from the same batch of seeds/genetics since plants are same age?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: High Stake Grafts
« on: September 15, 2023, 03:51:31 PM »
sure you can .
variegated escalate not that rare? 2023 , what a time to be alive.
I tried to graft a super rare plinia I can't say the name of for now, but then it didn't make it :P...

I did successfully graft variegated scarlet, but I mean, it's not that rare. I think it's a clutch graft cause I had to give away the plant for graftatree so before I sent it off I took a scion...I regret that but at least I have it :-\

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Francisco fruit recommendations
« on: September 14, 2023, 02:24:37 PM »
I love how Ugni Molinae is just planted around golden gate park randomly , the botanical garden nursery is fairly prolific.
While there is not much in the way of good edible fruit at the botanical garden, there is a number of neat species to check for.
Bolivian mountain Coco's, Mac Nut, and different unique Passiflora hybrids. Not to mention it is just an epic huge garden .

You could also go to the giant glass greenhouse in golden gate park that is a mile or so from the arboretum.
There are a lot of non fruiting big tropical fruits there and it is really cool in it's own right.
Well worth the visit there was well.

For fruits go to the Ferry building farmers market for the best selection of CA grown organic fruit, direct from the farm.




Species in SFBG

Austromyrtus dulcis
Drimys lanceolata
Luma apiculata
Syzygium smithii
Ugni molinae

at least a few more

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