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Thank you sir! I'm so happy that recordings of the presentations are now being made. I have been 2 of these, and I was always annoyed when I missed one because I was late or speaking to other attendees...It great to be able to go back and find out what I missed the first time.
Does someone know what causes the leaf stem/veins to turn red like this?What is the current situation? Were you growing these plants under lights set for a long day and then changed to fewer hours/natural light? This occurred on some of my 3/4 poncirus hybrids. Change in day length appeared to turn plants dormant. Poncirus leaves frequently turn color before they fall.
It happens on some of my rooted poncirus cuttings:
3-3 and Curafora made trifoliate leaves after being crossed with poncirus. No idea how zygotic. The other two have never born fruit.Thank you for creating this resource.
10 Degree Tangerine 3-3 died at 9 F. -12.8 C
10 Degree Tangerine 2-2 survived
CiClem 10 is approximately as hardy as 2-2
Curafora barely survived
Thanks! I'll get those added once I'm back at my computer. Any idea on if any of them give much zygotic seed?
Part of my motivation here is the fact that precious few cold hardy citrus also produce mostly zygotic seeds. There are a lot of hardy citrus, but almost all of them are basically dead ends when it comes to breeding. Identifying the ones that are both cold hardy and zygotic, and creating a reference for them, is something I've noticed is weirdly lacking on the forum and on the internet in general.
If I have an Owari Satsuma outside when does it have to bloom in order to have ripe fruit by Thanksgiving? What temp does it need to produce flowers and bloom?Owari blooming now in the Southeast will have ripe fruit by Thanksgiving.
Mike Adams
I think "orange" fits well for Poncirus. I have let the juice stand for one night in an open glas, then threw away the bottom fraction and made lemonade from the rest of the juice. It tasted primarily orange-like, not like a lemon (by the way better than both).Interesting speculation about antelopes Till. Fruit needs to pass through the body and survive, or partially eaten and some seed survive. . Transport of seeds by animals is called zoochory. I can't find specific information about citrus zoochory. Speculating on poncirus, especially with the large number of thorns, it doesn't want it's fruit to be eaten before the seed is ripe, thorns protect the fruit and the tree. When the fruit are ripe, they drop to the ground and are more readily available. The fruit resins which may keep the fruit from rotting degrade, and the fruit could become more palatable. Some animals that eat citrus are rats, monkeys, red panda, some bird species.
I ask myself though how it happend that the overall bad taste of Poncirus developed. What was its evolutionary advantage? What kind of animals love exactly that taste? I have picked up somewhere that the taste is designed for antelopes. Can that be true?
Well, animals sometimes have a very different taste from ourselves. Rabbits like bitter meadow. Many animals eat conifers. ... It could also be that some animals that are ruminants find fresh poncirus fruits just acceptable but love the taste of fermented fruits - I mean when they eat them a second time (ruminated). As I wrote above the bad flavour of Poncirus vaporizes over night totally (in case of better tasting fruits) or at least largely (in case of bad tasting fruits). The chemical changes in a rumina will be much greater.
8 F, 13 C was not cold enough to differentiate a lot between most hardy citrus. Both types of 10 Degree Tangerine appear to be more sensitive to the cold than expected, leaves curled more than most. Brown Select, Changsha, Keraji appear to have done well. Sugar Belle will probably lose its leaves, but seems to have survived.As Millet said, more time was needed to find the true amount of damage, which was much worse than initially appeared. Posted elsewhere on this forum are the evaluations.
An Owari Satsuma growing in the ground in zone 8a......when does it usually start bearing new leaves in the spring and when can i roughly expect to pick the fruit in the fall to eat? Thank you.Owari are starting to bloom now. They can be eaten with a green skin in October, ripe from early November until around Christmas. They are best around Thanksgiving. It needs to be protected in zone 8a. A few later blossoms can extend the season
Mike Adams
Could try green bulbs.
Plants do not utilize the green portion of the visible light spectrum as much as it does on the red or blue/violet end.
So theoretically, a green bulb would disturb the plant less than a white, red, or blu/violet bulb would.
Hello, I am in a zone 5b part of michigan and want to grow citrus. I read that FD can handle -20c which is about the average winter low here. I would prefer to not have to add extra winter protection. I am wondering if there is a form of poncirus trifoliata that can handle a few degrees colder so I have a little more wiggle room in terms of cold tolerance.I grew Poncirus in Vermont. There is a posting somewhere of someone growing it in zone 4 with frost cloth. It is not the cold that kills it, but wind and winter sun. If you can place it out of the wind and in the shade in winter it will survive.