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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: murahilin on February 19, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
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This is my new cambuca tree that I got from Excalibur Fruit Trees in Lake Worth. It's in a 15g container. Here is some info on it: http://www.fruitipedia.com/cambuca%20Plinia%20edulis.htm (http://www.fruitipedia.com/cambuca%20Plinia%20edulis.htm)
I was told the fruit tastes like orange jello so I am excited.
Adam, do you recommend I prune this tree?
Anyone have any tips on growing it?
(http://s15.postimage.org/opyxvdvlj/photo_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/opyxvdvlj/)
Edit: Fixed subject. Thanks to Oscar for noticing the misspelled name.
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This is my new cambuca tree in a 15g container. Here is some info on it: http://www.fruitipedia.com/cambuca%20Plinia%20edulis.htm (http://www.fruitipedia.com/cambuca%20Plinia%20edulis.htm)
I was told the fruit tastes like orange jello so I am excited.
Adam, do you recommend I prune this tree?
Anyone have any tips on growing it?
(http://s15.postimage.org/opyxvdvlj/photo_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/opyxvdvlj/)
Congrats! hmmmmm Orange jello... Sounds tasty. :)
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I have a pair of them planted at my place. They are about 4 feet tall. They survived 25 F without any damage. They are planted on the southSide of a board on board fence so they were protected from the north wind. I keep mine heavily mulched and watered regular. They seem pretty happy. I will post some pictures tomorrow . They have not bloomed yet.
Thanks,
Ed
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murahilin
Where'd you get it?
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murahilin
Where'd you get it?
I got it from Excalibur. I just edited my post to include that info.
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I have a pair of them planted at my place. They are about 4 feet tall. They survived 25 F without any damage. They are planted on the southSide of a board on board fence so they were protected from the north wind. I keep mine heavily mulched and watered regular. They seem pretty happy. I will post some pictures tomorrow . They have not bloomed yet.
Thanks,
Ed
Good to know that they are cold hardy. How old are they?
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3 to 4 years old.
Ed
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They like partial shade when small, say less than a foot tall, and then can go full sun. Like jaboticaba they like plenty of water. No they don't taste like orange jello, at least not any orange jello i ever had, but do have a nice smooth texture. I would describe the taste of cambuca as like peach-jaboticaba. I noticed that on first fruiting the fruits were quite mild and disappointing, but it seems that with age they taste better every year.
Here is a photo comparing regular sized jaboticaba on right and cambuca on left. And some photos of fruits on the tree:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/CambucaAndJaboticabaScaled.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/Cambuca3RipeFruitsOnTree.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/CambucaFruitsOnTreeWithScale.jpg)
Oscar
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Hi Adam, 3 years is highly optimistic, the cambucas are rather slow growing and fruiting, like regular jaboticaba. I would say realistically minimum 5 years, more likely 6-8 years. Sorry to burst your bubble. :'(
Good news is once they start producing they can make lots of fruit, and as you saw from my photos they can make jaboticaba look really tiny!
Oscar
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Thank you both for the pics and info.
Orange jello is one of my favorite foods so to say it does not taste like orange jello is quite disappointing.
Do you guys think I could keep it in this 15 gallon until it fruits?
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Thank you both for the pics and info.
Orange jello is one of my favorite foods so to say it does not taste like orange jello is quite disappointing.
Do you guys think I could keep it in this 15 gallon until it fruits?
Hi,
Maybe Willughbeia angustifolia would fit the bill?
This one is hard to find and, probably, very sensitive to cold.
But, it is said to produce fruits that taste of orange sherbet!!!???
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Orange Jello is a very important part of a balanced diet..
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OMG....orange jello is one of someone's favorite foods????? You've got to be kidding me. A very interesting commentary indeed!
Harry
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Hi Adam, 3 years is highly optimistic, the cambucas are rather slow growing and fruiting, like regular jaboticaba. I would say realistically minimum 5 years, more likely 6-8 years. Sorry to burst your bubble. :'(
Good news is once they start producing they can make lots of fruit, and as you saw from my photos they can make jaboticaba look really tiny!
Oscar
No bubbles burst here...did you read my post about seeing a man wait 15yrs for a fruit?
I understand it can take some time, but judging by Murahilin's picture, I'd say the tree has been on earth for about 3yrs...so he could have fruits in 3yrs...if lucky..and of course we are all lucky to have a Plinia edulis.
U also have to remember...my plants grow faster than most! I sing songs to them, and tell them I love them every chance I get. :-*
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Very cool find Mura, another plant for my list. Put me down for seeds in 10 years or so.
-Ethan
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Very cool find Mura, another plant for my list. Put me down for seeds in 10 years or so.
-Ethan
Me too ;D
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Very cool find Mura, another plant for my list. Put me down for seeds in 10 years or so.
-Ethan
Should have some seeds available this summer if anyone is interested. I have a tree that is about 15 years old. It's fruited for 3-4 years. Last summer made very few fruits. Summer before that had heavy crop of several hundred fruits. It's a very good fruit, slow but definitely worth growing!
Oscar
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Hi,
I know someone how has 14 cambuca trees. He told me a long time ago that about 2-3 trees out of the 15 trees started fruiting lightly in 3-4 years. Also, under perfect conditions they can fruit twice a year.
Tomas
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Hi,
I know someone how has 14 cambuca trees. He told me a long time ago that about 2-3 trees out of the 15 trees started fruiting lightly in 3-4 years. Also, under perfect conditions they can fruit twice a year.
Tomas
Did notice a light second crop of cambucas in mid fall, after heavy crop in summer.
Mistake i made with my tree is that i had it in partial shade first few years. As soon as i cut out shading tree it made a huge growth spurt and started fruiting heavily. So make sure your trees get full sun once they are one foot or taller.
Oscar
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Hi,
Maybe Willughbeia angustifolia would fit the bill?
This one is hard to find and, probably, very sensitive to cold.
But, it is said to produce fruits that taste of orange sherbet!!!???
Sounds interesting. I will look into it.
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OMG....orange jello is one of someone's favorite foods????? You've got to be kidding me. A very interesting commentary indeed!
Harry
You don't like orange jello? Of the all the jello flavors it is the best.
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Hi,
Maybe Willughbeia angustifolia would fit the bill?
This one is hard to find and, probably, very sensitive to cold.
But, it is said to produce fruits that taste of orange sherbet!!!???
After reading Whitman's description that's been my holy grail for a long time. But it's very hard to get it to fruit even in Hawaii (needs hand pollination and doesn't grow very well)! So i've given up on that one.
Oscar
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I have a few seedlings in pots. They are 2 to 3 years old. Just to be on the safe side, I would say that they will fruit in another 7 years. I have a friend that really likes cambuca. He says that it tastes like orange sorbet. This friend likes tart and acidic fruits. His tree produces at least 2 or 3 crops a year here in southwest Florida.
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I have a few seedlings in pots. They are 2 to 3 years old. Just to be on the safe side, I would say that they will fruit in another 7 years. I have a friend that really likes cambuca. He says that it tastes like orange sorbet. This friend likes tart and acidic fruits. His tree produces at least 2 or 3 crops a year here in southwest Florida.
I think the only thing orange-like in cambuca is the color, yes it is light orange colored.
Oscar
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Oscar...
How do you like this description of Cambuca!
http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi (http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi)
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Hi,
Maybe Willughbeia angustifolia would fit the bill?
This one is hard to find and, probably, very sensitive to cold.
But, it is said to produce fruits that taste of orange sherbet!!!???
After reading Whitman's description that's been my holy grail for a long time. But it's very hard to get it to fruit even in Hawaii (needs hand pollination and doesn't grow very well)! So i've given up on that one.
Oscar
Didn't Red Durian post that he had seeds? I may not be remembering correctly, but I thought he was selling some...
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oops...the link didn't work..
anyhow...toptropicals description and picture of cambuca is not proper.
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Oscar...
How do you like this description of Cambuca!
http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi (http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi)
I found the description to be quite accurate, and most of the information quite good, except that the correct name should be Plinia edulis, not Marlierea edulis or Rubachia glomerata. (Thread subject heading also misspelled: Plinea.) One thing i notice about my trees is that every year the taste seems to improve and become more full flavored. Also the harvest last summer was outrageous! I wonder if this year will be the same or if the plant will be alternate bearing?
This link to the description works better:http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/marlierea_edulis.htm (http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/marlierea_edulis.htm)
Under the leathery, thin skin, there is a soft, grainless, juicy, orange-yellow, thick flesh, similar to Peaches in texture. It involves an incredibly delicious, translucent, melting, yellow pulp that encloses one two light purple seeds, easily separable from the pulp. Both, flesh and pulp, have a delicious, well balanced subacid to sweet flavor, resembling jaboticabas, grumichamas and pitombas, but without any trace of astringency or resinous aftertaste. Fully ripe cambucas are prized to eat out of hand. Cut around the middle of the fruit to reach its delicious, natural jelly like, internal pulp with a spoon. The external flesh may be used to make jams, marmalades and pies. Both are used to make juices and ice creams rich in flavor and color.
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oops...the link didn't work..
anyhow...toptropicals description and picture of cambuca is not proper.
I hadn't even looked at the fruit photo. Looks like it might be cabelluda? Hard to tell as the fruits are kind of old and there is no scale by which to judge size. Cambucas are at least 4x bigger than cabelluda, aka yellow jaboticaba.
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haha
the pic is of the much different, M. glazioviana...they are fuzzy, and much smaller. The cambuca is a giant amongst Plinia fruits! and is never fuzzy!!
they also describe the size of the fruit as medium...I guess to accommodate the appearance of their photo subjects.
Also the tree gets much larger than 20ft! More like 40ft. In FL they get to be larger than 20ft...so I know they are much larger in Brazil (I remember seeing a pic of one that was close to 50ft, I bet the fruit from that tree are incredible...as u know, the older the tree, the better the fruits get!)
Oscar...
How do you like this description of Cambuca!
http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi (http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/store/tt_search.cgi)
I found the description to be quite accurate, and most of the information quite good, except that the correct name should be Plinia edulis, not Marlierea edulis or Rubachia glomerata. (Thread subject heading also misspelled: Plinea.) One thing i notice about my trees is that every year the taste seems to improve and become more full flavored. Also the harvest last summer was outrageous! I wonder if this year will be the same or if the plant will be alternate bearing?
This link to the description works better:http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/marlierea_edulis.htm (http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/marlierea_edulis.htm)
Under the leathery, thin skin, there is a soft, grainless, juicy, orange-yellow, thick flesh, similar to Peaches in texture. It involves an incredibly delicious, translucent, melting, yellow pulp that encloses one two light purple seeds, easily separable from the pulp. Both, flesh and pulp, have a delicious, well balanced subacid to sweet flavor, resembling jaboticabas, grumichamas and pitombas, but without any trace of astringency or resinous aftertaste. Fully ripe cambucas are prized to eat out of hand. Cut around the middle of the fruit to reach its delicious, natural jelly like, internal pulp with a spoon. The external flesh may be used to make jams, marmalades and pies. Both are used to make juices and ice creams rich in flavor and color.
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One of the problems with TT is that they often use photos submitted by other people, rather than taken by themselves, and so quite often misidentified.
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Oscar, what with your recent production (last season) of cambuca seeds and with the slowness of the species to reach bearing age, what are your thoughts on cambuca as a candidate for graftage? Will you be able to sell scions to those interested in attempting it in a year or two?
Adam, have you grafted cambuca? I have no wish to ask you to divulge trade secrets, but do you mind my asking whether a cleft graft or a veneer graft would be more advisable?
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Emegar,
Yes I have grafted them...its just a regular cleft graft ( I wouldn't recommend any other graft, except maybe approach...which I've never tried).
A very low percentage ends up being successful.
In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I have to say about that". ;D
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Oscar, what with your recent production (last season) of cambuca seeds and with the slowness of the species to reach bearing age, what are your thoughts on cambuca as a candidate for graftage? Will you be able to sell scions to those interested in attempting it in a year or two?
Adam, have you grafted cambuca? I have no wish to ask you to divulge trade secrets, but do you mind my asking whether a cleft graft or a veneer graft would be more advisable?
I'm already selling scion wood of cambuca for grafting. The trees i have come from good source and the fruits are larger than normal. Also they seem very heavy bearing. My second tree started fruiting in about 5 years. So given the right conditions: full sun and plenty of fert, they can start fruiting fairly early. I haven't tried air layers yet, but that might be another possibility. I did try last week dipping some cuttings in hormone to see if they will root, just for fun.
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My family from Argentina came over and I took them to the Fruit and Spice Park today, and on the ground I found two cambucas! I saw one left green on the tree, so in a week or two if anyone wants to try cambuca head over to the park. I can confirm with Oscar that it doesn't taste like orange jello, more like a jaboticaba with little hints of mango and peach. I prefer the texture much better than jaboticaba. My aunt preferred the jaboticaba, but my mom and I preferred the cambuca. And the tree looks pretty well off in our soil and water, but their white jaboticaba looks like it is on its deathbed. :'(
I haven't tried air layers yet, but that might be another possibility. I did try last week dipping some cuttings in hormone to see if they will root, just for fun.
And Oscar, did your cuttings ever root, and have you tried airlayers yet?
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My family from Argentina came over and I took them to the Fruit and Spice Park today, and on the ground I found two cambucas! I saw one left green on the tree, so in a week or two if anyone wants to try cambuca head over to the park. I can confirm with Oscar that it doesn't taste like orange jello, more like a jaboticaba with little hints of mango and peach. I prefer the texture much better than jaboticaba. My aunt preferred the jaboticaba, but my mom and I preferred the cambuca. And the tree looks pretty well off in our soil and water, but their white jaboticaba looks like it is on its deathbed. :'(
I haven't tried air layers yet, but that might be another possibility. I did try last week dipping some cuttings in hormone to see if they will root, just for fun.
And Oscar, did your cuttings ever root, and have you tried airlayers yet?
Last i looked the cuttings hadn't taken. I need to check again. I never tried doing air layers on cambuca yet.
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Not to contradict Oscar but I like to mention that all my cambuca seedlings were grown is full sun with watering 2 x a day .
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Not to contradict Oscar but I like to mention that all my cambuca seedlings were grown is full sun with watering 2 x a day .
How does that contradict what i said? ???
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My cambuca trees are about 4 years old. I grew them from seeds, used the same quantity of water and fertilizer, the seedlings were shaded for one year and then kept in full sun until now. As a result, not all of them are the same size. They are from 2 to six feet tall. Take a look at the following photos.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/byruvi1yp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/byruvi1yp/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/5jstytv8x/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5jstytv8x/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/yxokeexyp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yxokeexyp/)
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Rock,
They look beautiful. Mine are only about 1 year old and 1 foot (30 cm) tall. What conditions led to the most rapid growth, in your experience?
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Rock,
They look beautiful. Mine are only about 1 year old and 1 foot (30 cm) tall. What conditions led to the most rapid growth, in your experience?
James,
As far as I'm concerned, cambuca likes water and well drained soil.
Look at another photo that shows my cambuca trees living in another place where is sometimes lack of water. Their average height is only 3 feet tall.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/wm28kd6oj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wm28kd6oj/)
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Rock,
Nice pictures, trees look very healthy.
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Rock,
you are my hero....I love your forest of cambuca. How many did u plant? and why so many? do you plan to sell the fruit?
also, did you know there are several types of cambuca? even one that reportedly fruits earlier than others?
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My cambuca trees are about 4 years old. I grew them from seeds, used the same quantity of water and fertilizer, the seedlings were shaded for one year and then kept in full sun until now. As a result, not all of them are the same size. They are from 2 to six feet tall. Take a look at the following photos.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/byruvi1yp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/byruvi1yp/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/5jstytv8x/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5jstytv8x/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/yxokeexyp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yxokeexyp/)
So beautifull! Congratulations! ;D
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Rock, they are looking very good! How many cambuca trees did you plant in the ground?
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Rock,
you are my hero....I love your forest of cambuca. How many did u plant? and why so many? do you plan to sell the fruit?
also, did you know there are several types of cambuca? even one that reportedly fruits earlier than others?
mine to! I love his cambuca forest!
nice video:
quem nunca viu um pe de cambuca esta aqui com frutas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXMaTqZDUaI#)
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Rock,
you are my hero....I love your forest of cambuca. How many did u plant? and why so many? do you plan to sell the fruit?
also, did you know there are several types of cambuca? even one that reportedly fruits earlier than others?
Thank you Adam ;D
Yes, I plan to sell fruit in the future if they can fruit successfully.
If there is precocious type, please let me know. I want to grow some.
I prefer larger fruit type of cambuca.
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Rock, they are looking very good! How many cambuca trees did you plant in the ground?
Thank you Oscar, I did not count them precisely about 300 ones.
I also keep hundreds of cambuca in container,those ones will also be planted in my farm, will show photos latter.
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Thank you all for praising my cambuca trees, I think they will grow better because of this ;D
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Rock,
you will have to translate the page...
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/pliniaedulis.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/pliniaedulis.htm)
i think i have both types by chance, the red type is more rare in FL. I think it has a more oval shaped leaf..it also has broader leaves than the more common cream type (that's the closest translation I could get)
the article says the red type has slightly smaller fruits but bears much sooner, around 11yrs instead of 20.
Rock,
you are my hero....I love your forest of cambuca. How many did u plant? and why so many? do you plan to sell the fruit?
also, did you know there are several types of cambuca? even one that reportedly fruits earlier than others?
Thank you Adam ;D
Yes, I plan to sell fruit in the future if they can fruit successfully.
If there is precocious type, please let me know. I want to grow some.
I prefer larger fruit type of cambuca.
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Adam, those fruiting times are wrong, at least for the cambucas i have and in this climate. One fruited in about 12 years the other one in 8. The one that took 12 was in too much shade and as soon as i pruned a tree that was shading it it started fruiting. The one that fruited in 8 went into sunlight right away. Lesson learned they grow and fruit a lot faster in full sun. I just keep them in partial shade when very little in the nursery.
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Rock, they are looking very good! How many cambuca trees did you plant in the ground?
Thank you Oscar, I did not count them precisely about 300 ones.
I also keep hundreds of cambuca in container,those ones will also be planted in my farm, will show photos latter.
I think with that many trees you might be defacto subject matter expert on cambuca, very impressive.
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Rock, they are looking very good! How many cambuca trees did you plant in the ground?
Thank you Oscar, I did not count them precisely about 300 ones.
I also keep hundreds of cambuca in container,those ones will also be planted in my farm, will show photos latter.
I think with that many trees you might be defacto subject matter expert on cambuca, very impressive.
Not yet. But maybe very soon. Rock please keep good records on time it takes trees to fruit and pounds of fruit that you harvest, etc.
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Adam, those fruiting times are wrong, at least for the cambucas i have and in this climate. One fruited in about 12 years the other one in 8. The one that took 12 was in too much shade and as soon as i pruned a tree that was shading it it started fruiting. The one that fruited in 8 went into sunlight right away. Lesson learned they grow and fruit a lot faster in full sun. I just keep them in partial shade when very little in the nursery.
ok Oscar that's encouraging...the ones here in FL all seem to take 20yrs or more!
I've got mine in pots, in full sun...so I will keep u posted! I think you maybe right...we can fruit them faster.
im hoping the other type I have fruits even faster!
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Adam, those fruiting times are wrong, at least for the cambucas i have and in this climate. One fruited in about 12 years the other one in 8. The one that took 12 was in too much shade and as soon as i pruned a tree that was shading it it started fruiting. The one that fruited in 8 went into sunlight right away. Lesson learned they grow and fruit a lot faster in full sun. I just keep them in partial shade when very little in the nursery.
ok Oscar that's encouraging...the ones here in FL all seem to take 20yrs or more!
I've got mine in pots, in full sun...so I will keep u posted! I think you maybe right...we can fruit them faster.
im hoping the other type I have fruits even faster!
I would guess you could cut fruiting time down to 10 or less years in your climate.
Neat thing about Rock planting 300 trees is that there should be quite a bit of variation. Some will fruit faster than others and have better fruit, and those can be watched and propagated.
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Rock, they are looking very good! How many cambuca trees did you plant in the ground?
Thank you Oscar, I did not count them precisely about 300 ones.
I also keep hundreds of cambuca in container,those ones will also be planted in my farm, will show photos latter.
I think with that many trees you might be defacto subject matter expert on cambuca, very impressive.
kgknight,
Although owning those cambuca trees, I'm not an expert at all. In fact, I'm still learning how to grow cambuca well. I have experience growing jaboticaba so I regard them as jaboticaba, and it's not in bad condition so far.
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Adam, those fruiting times are wrong, at least for the cambucas i have and in this climate. One fruited in about 12 years the other one in 8. The one that took 12 was in too much shade and as soon as i pruned a tree that was shading it it started fruiting. The one that fruited in 8 went into sunlight right away. Lesson learned they grow and fruit a lot faster in full sun. I just keep them in partial shade when very little in the nursery.
ok Oscar that's encouraging...the ones here in FL all seem to take 20yrs or more!
I've got mine in pots, in full sun...so I will keep u posted! I think you maybe right...we can fruit them faster.
im hoping the other type I have fruits even faster!
I would guess you could cut fruiting time down to 10 or less years in your climate.
Neat thing about Rock planting 300 trees is that there should be quite a bit of variation. Some will fruit faster than others and have better fruit, and those can be watched and propagated.
Oscar,
I hope they can fruit nex crop ;D. The trees do not fruit yet but judging from foliage, there are some different types. Some trees have much larger and thicker foliages.
I hope those trees will bear larger fruit; after all, the point is fruit.
(http://s14.postimg.cc/eax6vv4st/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eax6vv4st/)
(http://s14.postimg.cc/a0ij09zpp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a0ij09zpp/)
(http://s14.postimg.cc/6fmnh1v65/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fmnh1v65/)
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They can start fruiting when about 1.5 meters tall. But first crops are very light. Heavy crops can start when 2-3 meters tall. They respond very well to fertilizing. Yes treat them like jaboticabas.
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Fruit hunter,
I am just joking. You have to admit that you do have a lot of cambuca trees. You also have different sizes and from what you said some are in different growing areas (more water). Your observations on what has been working and making them grow can definitely help out some of us. I haven't put my trees in the ground yet and mine are no where near as large as your trees. Anyway really great collection. Oh also I have found mine like water just as much as my sabaras.
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Hi Rock, can you please explain why there is so much interest in cambuca fruit in Taiwan? Thanks,
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Hi Rock, can you please explain why there is so much interest in cambuca fruit in Taiwan? Thanks,
Oscar,
There are some reasons why so many people here are interested in cambuca. Many people in Taiwan have been crazy about jaboticaba for over a decade because jaboticaba fruit can be made into some products such as jaboticaba juice, jaboticba ice, jaboticaba wine, jaboticaba preserves etc. In other words, jaboticaba industry is quite successful here, many people earn their living by growing jaboticaba. Moreover jaboticaba trees are very ornmental for horticultrual use. Not only for food but also for ornmental use, jaboticaba is really a dream tree in Taiwan. As a result, people here have tried to seek for some trees that are identical to jaboticaba recently.
Aonther possibility is that many nursery owners here are willing to grow new trees and then introduce and promote them to fruit farmers. For example, there were very few people knowing abiu about ten years ago but now it is a very popular fruit in Taiwan. Many fruit farmers become rich because of abiu. People here are getting to know growing new species is possible to make a fortune so more and moe people here like to grow something different. Besides, with the fading of betel nut industry, the owners also want to find another choice, this really increase the demand of growing exotic trees.
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Rock: how did you got 300 cambuca trees? From seeds?
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Fruithunter,
I'm really proud to know you...I think you've done a great service to your country (and the whole world) by planting so many of these rare (slow growing), delicious and marketable fruits.
if Plinia edulis could talk, I know what it would say to you, "you're my Rock"
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Rock, while sabara might produce more often than other jaboticabas there are many other good quality species.From what I can figure about 15 species have fruit that are pretty good to eat.At least 4 of those species have at least 10 named varieties that are distinct from each other.
Did Taiwan source their abius from Australia or perhaps Brazil? Do you know the name of any varieties?
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Hi Rock, can you please explain why there is so much interest in cambuca fruit in Taiwan? Thanks,
Oscar,
There are some reasons why so many people here are interested in cambuca. Many people in Taiwan have been crazy about jaboticaba for over a decade because jaboticaba fruit can be made into some products such as jaboticaba juice, jaboticba ice, jaboticaba wine, jaboticaba preserves etc. In other words, jaboticaba industry is quite successful here, many people earn their living by growing jaboticaba. Moreover jaboticaba trees are very ornmental for horticultrual use. Not only for food but also for ornmental use, jaboticaba is really a dream tree in Taiwan. As a result, people here have tried to seek for some trees that are identical to jaboticaba recently.
Aonther possibility is that many nursery owners here are willing to grow new trees and then introduce and promote them to fruit farmers. For example, there were very few people knowing abiu about ten years ago but now it is a very popular fruit in Taiwan. Many fruit farmers become rich because of abiu. People here are getting to know growing new species is possible to make a fortune so more and moe people here like to grow something different. Besides, with the fading of betel nut industry, the owners also want to find another choice, this really increase the demand of growing exotic trees.
Hi Rock, thanks for explaining. I remember mailing 1000 abiu seeds to a nursery in Taiwan about 12+ years ago. Glad to hear that people in Taiwan appreciate rare fruits from other countries. In many countries people are very reluctant to try new fruits.
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Rock: how did you got 300 cambuca trees? From seeds?
Yes, I grew them from seeds.
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Fruithunter,
I'm really proud to know you...I think you've done a great service to your country (and the whole world) by planting so many of these rare (slow growing), delicious and marketable fruits.
if Plinia edulis could talk, I know what it would say to you, "you're my Rock"
Adam,
You overprize me, I'm just a nobody ;D. The key reason why I plant different exotic fruit tee is that I enjoy the all process of growing them. I feel happy when the seeds germinate, new sticks sprout, flower and look forward to the ripe of fruit. By the way, we did the same thing to the plants, I also sing songs to them. ;D
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Rock, while sabara might produce more often than other jaboticabas there are many other good quality species.From what I can figure about 15 species have fruit that are pretty good to eat.At least 4 of those species have at least 10 named varieties that are distinct from each other.
Did Taiwan source their abius from Australia or perhaps Brazil? Do you know the name of any varieties?
Mike,
As far as I know, the abius in Taiwan were from Hawaii, the Philippines，Singapore and Malaysia. People grew them from seeds and the selected some better ones.
I will be very if I can get some new species or varietis of jaboticaba ;D.
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Hi Rock, can you please explain why there is so much interest in cambuca fruit in Taiwan? Thanks,
Oscar,
There are some reasons why so many people here are interested in cambuca. Many people in Taiwan have been crazy about jaboticaba for over a decade because jaboticaba fruit can be made into some products such as jaboticaba juice, jaboticba ice, jaboticaba wine, jaboticaba preserves etc. In other words, jaboticaba industry is quite successful here, many people earn their living by growing jaboticaba. Moreover jaboticaba trees are very ornmental for horticultrual use. Not only for food but also for ornmental use, jaboticaba is really a dream tree in Taiwan. As a result, people here have tried to seek for some trees that are identical to jaboticaba recently.
Aonther possibility is that many nursery owners here are willing to grow new trees and then introduce and promote them to fruit farmers. For example, there were very few people knowing abiu about ten years ago but now it is a very popular fruit in Taiwan. Many fruit farmers become rich because of abiu. People here are getting to know growing new species is possible to make a fortune so more and moe people here like to grow something different. Besides, with the fading of betel nut industry, the owners also want to find another choice, this really increase the demand of growing exotic trees.
Hi Rock, thanks for explaining. I remember mailing 1000 abiu seeds to a nursery in Taiwan about 12+ years ago. Glad to hear that people in Taiwan appreciate rare fruits from other countries. In many countries people are very reluctant to try new fruits.
Yes, Hawaii is one the most important new fruits source for Taiwan. To take an example, jaboticaba was imported from Hawaii to Taiwan in 1967.
Growing new fruits is one of the happiest thing in my life. Believe it or not, I sometimes eat different fruits that is not on earth in my dream. Maybe I am mad, ha ha ha.
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Fruit hunter,
I am just joking. You have to admit that you do have a lot of cambuca trees. You also have different sizes and from what you said some are in different growing areas (more water). Your observations on what has been working and making them grow can definitely help out some of us. I haven't put my trees in the ground yet and mine are no where near as large as your trees. Anyway really great collection. Oh also I have found mine like water just as much as my sabaras.
I planted my cambucas when they were about 1 foot tall; as a result, I lost some of them when I weeded because grasses grew much faster :'(. My suggesstion is to plant them when they are about2.5 feet tall.
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Rock: how did you got 300 cambuca trees? From seeds?
Yes, I grew them from seeds.
Adam is right: you are a hero.
Maybe you are carrying out a venture that 90% of people in this forum have dreaming to do someday, but only 1% will.
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so, cambuca should be planted in full sun. Any more tips? I am trying to plan a spot for the cambuca seedling i got recently.
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I planted my 3 when about 1 foot high last winter when the sun was not so strong.One in full sun struggled through summer but has now sprung back,one in filtered light has done quite well and the one in shade out-performed the other 2.One I kept in a pot in greenhouse conditions has done better again so 18 inches high and quite shadey when temps are 22c to 29c would be my best bet for planting out.
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so, cambuca should be planted in full sun. Any more tips? I am trying to plan a spot for the cambuca seedling i got recently.
Some shade when little, full sun when big. How much sun, how much shade, and at what stage, depends on where you are, what season it is, how much cloud cover you get, etc.
Generally speaking once they are about a foot tall they can take full sun.
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After growing for 4 and a half years, one of my trees starts to flower. This tree is not the largest one, about 5feet tall and 4 feet wide. Some of my trees are 6 feet tall already but do not flower yet. I'm really excited about that.
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Congratulations! I can't wait to see you post as the fruit develops.
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According to Brazilian experts , Cambuca is considered the best tasting in the Myrtaceae family , unfortunately it is not a marketable fruit , spoils within a day or 2 , never the less I also planted a lot more for the future .
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According to Brazilian experts , Cambuca is considered the best tasting in the Myrtaceae family , unfortunately it is not a marketable fruit , spoils within a day or 2 , never the less I also planted a lot more for the future .
Oh, the best myrtaceae? :-D , but i read a post of Oscar some time ago and he was not so happy with it; how does it taste compares to other fruits? (I mean, is it similar to another fruits in taste?)
Rock: congrats! that's so great. So, one of your 300 trees is flowering? we should reproduce it :D
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I got a cambuca plant from Adam back in early March. It is about 1.5 feet tall. I plan to wait another month or 2 and plant it mid-summer while raining season is still upon us. Is there a danger in getting it acclimated to full sun? or should i leave it in the shade?
Thanks.
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I got a cambuca plant from Adam back in early March. It is about 1.5 feet tall. I plan to wait another month or 2 and plant it mid-summer while raining season is still upon us. Is there a danger in getting it acclimated to full sun? or should i leave it in the shade?
Thanks.
here is the deal....
if your growing conditions are less than optimal, maybe consider growing the tree in the shade for a while...until it's about 4-6 ft.
seems like the smaller trees are more subject to adverse conditions (mainly high pH, and drought)....so it's always a safer bet to grow them in some shade.
but if you have no trouble keeping miracle fruits (blueberries) or other acid loving plants happy, when they are planted out in your garden...then I say by all means, give it full sun, and lots of irrigation....with a little fertilizer every now and again....it will fruit faster in fuller sun...but only if growing conditions are optimal.
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Congratulations Rock! That is pretty young for cambuca to be flowering. So you must be doing something right! :)
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Great news Rock!!
that's the smallest and youngest I've seen or heard of one fruiting!
u give me hope...I might get flowers on my cambucas in the next 5 yrs.... ;)
they are a bit larger than your flowering tree (your post makes me want to go check for flowers now!)
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According to Brazilian experts , Cambuca is considered the best tasting in the Myrtaceae family , unfortunately it is not a marketable fruit , spoils within a day or 2 , never the less I also planted a lot more for the future .
This is not true. Cambucas keep well with refrigeration for a couple of weeks. Also i wouldn't say they are better than jaboticabas, but yes quite nice.
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According to Brazilian experts , Cambuca is considered the best tasting in the Myrtaceae family , unfortunately it is not a marketable fruit , spoils within a day or 2 , never the less I also planted a lot more for the future .
Oh, the best myrtaceae? :-D , but i read a post of Oscar some time ago and he was not so happy with it; how does it taste compares to other fruits? (I mean, is it similar to another fruits in taste?)
Rock: congrats! that's so great. So, one of your 300 trees is flowering? we should reproduce it :D
I never said i wasn't happy with taste of cambuca. I'd rate it an 8, and jaboticaba 8.5. So pretty close. They taste quite different, cambuca has a much more subtle and delicate taste, difficult to describe because different from other fruits. Nice thing about cambuca is the very large size, very attractive fruit, good fragrance, and also excellent production.
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You are a star Rock and I'm surprized Oscar hates cambucas.
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You are a star Rock and I'm surprized Oscar hates cambucas.
Come on! I'm Hawaiian King of Cambucas. Ask Rock if you don't believe me. ;)
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Just chumming the water Oscar and it took 17 minutes for you to rise to the burley. Cambuca king..... or maybe the professor of pouteria, lord of litsea or sultan of syzygium but the garcinia guru has a better ring.
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According to Brazilian experts , Cambuca is considered the best tasting in the Myrtaceae family , unfortunately it is not a marketable fruit , spoils within a day or 2 , never the less I also planted a lot more for the future .
Oh, the best myrtaceae? :-D , but i read a post of Oscar some time ago and he was not so happy with it; how does it taste compares to other fruits? (I mean, is it similar to another fruits in taste?)
Rock: congrats! that's so great. So, one of your 300 trees is flowering? we should reproduce it :D
I never said i wasn't happy with taste of cambuca. I'd rate it an 8, and jaboticaba 8.5. So pretty close. They taste quite different, cambuca has a much more subtle and delicate taste, difficult to describe because different from other fruits. Nice thing about cambuca is the very large size, very attractive fruit, good fragrance, and also excellent production.
Oh, great, I like subtle taste :D
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Thank you all, guys. I found another cambuca having a flower bud when pruning them this afternoon. This tree is only three feet tall, it really surprised me. Maybe there are some flowering in my another farm.
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Congratulations Rock! That is pretty young for cambuca to be flowering. So you must be doing something right! :)
To the Hawaiian King of Cambucas, I did cut their root but not sure if this is the key.
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Congratulations Rock! That is pretty young for cambuca to be flowering. So you must be doing something right! :)
To the Hawaiian King of Cambucas, I did cut their root but not sure if this is the key.
I think pruning roots probably helps. From this discussions on this forum, especially with Adam, it seems that plants in pots with confined root systems will flower and fruit a lot faster than plants planted into the ground. It seems that when in the ground they put a lot more of their energy into producing roots and multiplying in canopy size. Eventually plants in the ground will have much bigger crops, but take longer to start fruiting. When constrained in a pot they put more energy into producing fruit right away but will make small quantities. I would think it's a survival mechanism of sorts?
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Planted the first Plinia edulis in my yard yesterday...it was a grafted tree that I made about 3yrs ago....the scion was from a mature tree, but it was not large enough of a scion to make my tree fruit as early as possible....I'm praying it flowers soon though...it's getting large enough to hold a fruit for sure.
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Congratulations Rock! That is pretty young for cambuca to be flowering. So you must be doing something right! :)
To the Hawaiian King of Cambucas, I did cut their root but not sure if this is the key.
I think pruning roots probably helps. From this discussions on this forum, especially with Adam, it seems that plants in pots with confined root systems will flower and fruit a lot faster than plants planted into the ground. It seems that when in the ground they put a lot more of their energy into producing roots and multiplying in canopy size. Eventually plants in the ground will have much bigger crops, but take longer to start fruiting. When constrained in a pot they put more energy into producing fruit right away but will make small quantities. I would think it's a survival mechanism of sorts?
Made some space for my cambuca, and was debating whether it was better in-ground. After reading this, I think I will leave it potted and see if I can get some fruit eventually.
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Congratulations Rock! That is pretty young for cambuca to be flowering. So you must be doing something right! :)
To the Hawaiian King of Cambucas, I did cut their root but not sure if this is the key.
I think pruning roots probably helps. From this discussions on this forum, especially with Adam, it seems that plants in pots with confined root systems will flower and fruit a lot faster than plants planted into the ground. It seems that when in the ground they put a lot more of their energy into producing roots and multiplying in canopy size. Eventually plants in the ground will have much bigger crops, but take longer to start fruiting. When constrained in a pot they put more energy into producing fruit right away but will make small quantities. I would think it's a survival mechanism of sorts?
Made some space for my cambuca, and was debating whether it was better in-ground. After reading this, I think I will leave it potted and see if I can get some fruit eventually.
HAHAHA, i just said all of that to make Adam feel better when he had no way to put any plants in the ground. Notice he is putting many in the ground now that he has a place to do so? That is very smart because in the long run plants are happier and a lot more productive in the ground. Also maintanance is a lot lower when in the ground...don't have to be watered so often and don't get stressed so easily if you miss one watering.
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That's funny! Thanks for clarifying. In that case, I will plant in the ground. Hoping it can handle the high ph.
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Oscar, how large would it have to be before planting out? My tree is about 18 inches above the soil...
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Oscar, how large would it have to be before planting out? My tree is about 18 inches above the soil...
That's big enough to plant out. FYI they fruit better in full sun, but will also handle some shade.
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just recently noticed one of the cambucas flowering!
it was rootbound in a 15 gal pot...I'm guessing the tree was about 10-12yr old...but I'd have to ask the person I got it from...it could be older...
it's only about 6ft tall planted out.
I'm excited to see these flowering sooner than I thought...I'm guessing these reports of trees taking forever to fruit in FL are because of poor growing conditions.
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WOW! That's great, congratulations! ;D
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Congratulations, this gives us encouragement to those who have a cambuca in a pot for many years and we dream of seeing a flower.
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Very nice!! :)
I love the flowers. They look like miniature white pom poms!
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My experience with cambuca here, at least with type that i have, is that they will start fruiting in 8 years under good conditions. But there may be different rates depending on type of cambuca. Adam, do you know where this person obtained their original seeds?
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Oscar,
i think the persons I got plants and scions from, both came indirectly from Frankies.
I just noticed today, my grafted cambuca that's planted in ground, has started to flower!
I used a mature scion that had produced flowers...(but it was only the size of a chopstick at best)...it took about 3-4yrs to finally flower...but that is not long at all considering the usual wait...
i bet it would have been a bit faster if I'd used a larger scion.
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u can barely see the graft unions. but there are two main branches that are grafted...only one is flowering so far.
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Great going!
FYI Frankies cambuca start came form Antonio Morschbacker in Brazil. He is the one that wrote a paper on cambucas together with Marco Lacerda. Antonio told me when i met him in Brazil that he had picked out an especially large and good fruiting tree to send to Frankies.
First cambuca tree i planted took about 12 years to fruit. Second tree i planted, right next to first tree only took 8 years to fruit. The difference was first tree only got partial sun. Second tree got full sun.
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Great going!
FYI Frankies cambuca start came form Antonio Morschbacker in Brazil. He is the one that wrote a paper on cambucas together with Marco Lacerda. Antonio told me when i met him in Brazil that he had picked out an especially large and good fruiting tree to send to Frankies.
First cambuca tree i planted took about 12 years to fruit. Second tree i planted, right next to first tree only took 8 years to fruit. The difference was first tree only got partial sun. Second tree got full sun.
Oscar: I got some cambuca seeds from you last year and now small plant; is it fair to assume the original tree for your cambuca was Frankie's? I also have cambuca from Frankie's so I wanted to record the differences. Thanks. F.
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Great going!
FYI Frankies cambuca start came form Antonio Morschbacker in Brazil. He is the one that wrote a paper on cambucas together with Marco Lacerda. Antonio told me when i met him in Brazil that he had picked out an especially large and good fruiting tree to send to Frankies.
First cambuca tree i planted took about 12 years to fruit. Second tree i planted, right next to first tree only took 8 years to fruit. The difference was first tree only got partial sun. Second tree got full sun.
Oscar: I got some cambuca seeds from you last year and now small plant; is it fair to assume the original tree for your cambuca was Frankie's? I also have cambuca from Frankie's so I wanted to record the differences. Thanks. F.
Yes that's right. My cambuca tree is originally from Frankies.
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I got cambuca seeds from Oscar and 2 sources in Brazil. They were spread around to a few enthusiasts and a friend of mine grows 3 in pots that are a little over 2 feet high. He advised me that flowering on one took place first when 3 yrs and 10 months old. That is since it was a seed. No fruit set and the seeds were from Oscar for that plant.I understand another at a different persons house at 3 feet high produced a single flower even younger for a plant in full sun.My oldest 2 at 4 years have yet to produce a flower but they are not mollycoddled at my place.
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I got cambuca seeds from Oscar and 2 sources in Brazil. They were spread around to a few enthusiasts and a friend of mine grows 3 in pots that are a little over 2 feet high. He advised me that flowering on one took place first when 3 yrs and 10 months old. That is since it was a seed. No fruit set and the seeds were from Oscar for that plant.I understand another at a different persons house at 3 feet high produced a single flower even younger for a plant in full sun.My oldest 2 at 4 years have yet to produce a flower but they are not mollycoddled at my place.
They must like Australia! That is very young to be producing flowers.
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Oscar, Im curious have the Cambuca’s peaked in their flavor, or do you believe them to still be getting better?
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Oscar, Im curious have the Cambuca’s peaked in their flavor, or do you believe them to still be getting better?
About the same the last few years.
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Cambuca update : 4 years later and none of mine have flowered yet and the oldest is around 8 yo now. My friend's potted prodigy which flowered once at around 4 has not flowered again so it was and isolated, rogue flowering event.
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Pretty excited to get the first fruit on this guy, there was a second one on the tree which split but tasted relatively similar.
I've had this Cambucazeiro in mostly full sun for the past few years with of duck water from the kiddie pool next to it and also the fish pond overflow. He's in a 25 gal pot but in ground, I need to dig it out sometime when I feel amped up and check the root status. He is at least 8 years old now and standing 8 ft tall.
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Happy days
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Doesn't look like that fruit was ripe yet. Should be soft pulp all the way through up to the skin. Try to plant the 2 seed halves anyway. Might still grow. Congrats on the first fruit. It will be better when you can get the fruit to ripen more on the tree.
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just got to taste a cambuca grown here on the farm, and we made a video of the event...
https://youtu.be/VX0QGo5yMgs
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Nice big fruit Adam, but your face when eating skin was not convincing 8)
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Nice big fruit Adam, but your face when eating skin was not convincing 8)
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nice to hear from you Robert