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Enjoy the “Malaga” Mango’s .  100 points if you can find a grower that will sell you a known cultivar of Mango or Cherimoya.
I went to Malaga and Almunecar in season hoping to catch the Cherimoya festival . We stayed next to a 20+ acre Cherimoya orchard right in Almunecar and it was like asking people about the mafia or human smuggling off the coast.
No one would talk about it and gave us dirty looks like we were crazy for asking. T’was weird indeed.
There must be someone doing it up right in those nice growing conditions though.
Looking forward to see’ing what y’alls can rustle up.

I had a couple of veterans who have been growing durian here for more than 40 years and have been to all the durian hotspots around the world tell me that a humble gan yao fresh fallen off the tree is as good as any of these big name varieties coming out of Malaysia.

I haven't been to Malaysia myself and tasted the big names myself but thought i would share what i was told.

Here’s a champedek being partially shaded by gliricidia.  The page wouldn’t load another photo I have of a young durian with a post on either side more effectively shading the delicate tree.  These living posts are used very commonly for fences in CR. They are very useful and many farms make good use of them. I also use them to shade cacao. In southern Mexico they’re called madre cacao.

In our area we are getting some very good quality fruit of of durian trees that are only 8 years old. We’ve had the fruits in Asia, even from 100 year old trees. Personally, I think there is some degree of hype about old trees. The thing about a place like Penang is that there is such a durian culture and SO many different select durians. We can’t do that any time soon but I don’t believe you can’t get very good durian off of young trees. I would like to see a blind taste test!
Peter

I asked a similar question here regarding covering mangoes during flowering - https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=47487.0. Sounds promising anyway.

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Quote from: Future on July 13, 2022, 11:16:59 AM

What’s up TFF.
In Malaysia outside of Perlis and northern Kedah mangoes don't seem to grow well. You can still find some small farms that grow mangoes outside of those two states and the mangoes grown are mostly chokonan mangoes from thailand.those farms can be found in Malacca and negeri sembilan and central sarawak.in Kedah and Perlis it's harummanis.also mangoes unlike durian are grown in flat terrains.over all mangoes seem to grow well in urban areas and coastal areas in Malaysia .in urban areas trees seem to flower well when being grown next to an asphalt road or concrete sidewalks.i wonder it could be the heat emitting from the ground

Which part of Malaysia do you live in?  How do you rate Harumanis?  I saw trees with flowers in urban areas. Heat won’t trigger mango flowering but the asphalt and concrete might be restricting water.

I'm in Sarawak in a district called bau about 1 hour from kuching.harummanis is a great mango and it's exported to japan.it only fruits well in Perlis and northern Kedah.theres a short dry season starting from December to February there which is abnormal and unlike other region in malaysia.just Google  alor star and check the annual rainfall .here in Kuching Sarawak the lowest rainfall is in July with 120mm of rainfall and still wet for mangoes.also mangoes look horrible in my hometown and in Kuching in some of those urban areas it blooms better than in bau

That’s interesting. It may make the case for growing mango in areas where Durian do well using impervious tarps around the trunk for several months.  Flowers that set fruit in rain would still be probably essential.

Imagine paying to have a crew knock all the flowers off for 20 years and then… the tree gets hit by lightning!
I can imagine those durian farmers in Bulik Palau having a good laugh about that.
Probably the first durians planted on Penang we’re planted on the flat land where it was easiest. There’s plenty to see there though there’s more rice than durian on the flat for sure.
There’s lots of reasons for planting durian on a slope.
They tolerate it well.
There may be less risk of root fungi which is a problem with durian.
The fallen fruits can be collected at a fence line below the trees, out of the impact zone!
Peter

Future, when I have spent time with Gary at his place in CR our mutual interests are pouterias, artocarpus, garcinias, and the more rare fruits that I grow and that Gary is really interested in. He had a mango project in Guanacaste and grows different mangoes around his two properties near Orotina. When in season he shares lots of different mangoes that to me are wonderful but he is demanding and critical. It’s fascinating his stories about mangoes but the individual varieties are many and we don’t attempt to grow them so I’m not the person to really answer your question.
Peter

Quote from: Future on July 13, 2022, 11:16:59 AM

What’s up TFF.
In Malaysia outside of Perlis and northern Kedah mangoes don't seem to grow well. You can still find some small farms that grow mangoes outside of those two states and the mangoes grown are mostly chokonan mangoes from thailand.those farms can be found in Malacca and negeri sembilan and central sarawak.in Kedah and Perlis it's harummanis.also mangoes unlike durian are grown in flat terrains.over all mangoes seem to grow well in urban areas and coastal areas in Malaysia .in urban areas trees seem to flower well when being grown next to an asphalt road or concrete sidewalks.i wonder it could be the heat emitting from the ground

Which part of Malaysia do you live in?  How do you rate Harumanis?  I saw trees with flowers in urban areas. Heat won’t trigger mango flowering but the asphalt and concrete might be restricting water.

Hey Peter or Oskar or anyone who has multiple durian trees can you please help me out.  I want to plant a good few number of durian which will be upwind of my house the closest trees would be approx 25m or 80ft from house.  My wife is not at all impressed as she cant stand the smell of durian and she is currently standing in the way of my plans.

Can you guys confirm how far downwind can you smell durian when they are on the trees near ripeness out in open air?  Is she likely be able to smell them when we are sitting on the patio 80ft downwind from the trees?