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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pine Bark Mulch and Tropical Fruit Trees
« on: November 18, 2022, 10:57:12 AM »
Thanks for the advice everyone. I've never seen termites in potted trees before here in N FL.almost always just sugar ants whenever I see them

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pine Bark Mulch and Tropical Fruit Trees
« on: November 17, 2022, 02:05:04 PM »
So I have a lot of citrus and they love pine bark mulch in the mix I use. I always have extra on hand. I've recently started getting into mangos (M4 and Mallika), an avocado (Wurtz), and the various sapotes (right now have green, Ross, mamey, and a sapodilla nispero). None of them are currently mulched as they are in large nursery pots. Do these trees also like pine bark mulch? Obviously it makes the soil acidic which is my concern here. Thoughts?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB - Italian Lemons
« on: November 15, 2022, 11:11:21 AM »
I too have been looking for Italian lemons inside of our little Florida bubble. Specifically Genoa lemons but any of them would pique my interest

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Recruits Winter Encampment
« on: November 14, 2022, 10:21:20 AM »
Got to 37.5 last night in my yard and everything shrugged it off no problem and that was with the heater going off at midnight because I tripped on the plug on accident and didn't realize I unplugged it 😄

Good sign tho because that gros michel starts to yellow if you even give it a cold stare and it had no problems last night

I have two pawpaws in my yard that were just planted this year and are very young trees and ngl this thread has made me debate replacing them with something else  ;D

Has there been any info on how processing the fruit affects the toxin levels? Say cooking a soursop or a pawpaw into jams, breads, cake flavorings, caramelizing it and blending it into a milkshake etc...? I'm assuming the cooking process likely reduces the toxicity quite a bit.

Probably 80%+ of what I am growing I've never tried the fruit.  I started with only citrus for years and it was successful enough I started with other sub&tropicals more recently.  Many things just started flowering but only a few have held fruit so far.  It is fun to lose track of what I have and later discover it fruiting for the first time

This is me haha. Citrus, peaches and peppers I get tons of. Everything else is only 1-2 years old so I'm playing the waiting game.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Recruits Winter Encampment
« on: November 12, 2022, 11:02:53 AM »
Luckily we've never gotten that low since I've lived here in N FL. One year like 10 years ago it got to 19 for 1 night. Our usual coldest temp is 22-25 and only for a night or two. Fair amount of sub 35 nights in January and February though. Where are you located?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Recruits Winter Encampment
« on: November 12, 2022, 10:43:50 AM »
same situation here! I got a space heater that's recommended for up to 200 sqft, I have it set to turn on whenever the soil in one of the pots is below 50. Seems to have worked really really well so far, but at first it didn't seem to do anything because I had a bunch of open spaces at the bottom. If you have any way to weigh down the bottom or cover it with a thin layer of soil (what I chose to do) it will work even better

best of luck!

I have staked down the loops along the bottom of the greenhouse. We aren't quite into super cold weather here yet and it is noticeably warmer inside vs outside every time I've walked in. I do think I will likely duct tape the windows closed as there are still holes as its held close via a few velcro patches.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / New Recruits Winter Encampment
« on: November 12, 2022, 10:28:16 AM »
Trying this out this year on the southern edge of 8b. I'm like 95% confident it's gonna work but still kinda scared to try it. I bought a 10' tall pop up greenhouse for my young plants. By the mulch bags is a paver stone I am going to put a space heater with a smart plug so I can turn it on remotely based on what my weather station reports. Not pictured on the other side is a pot of dragon fruits I'm starting as well as a 7' tall in ground gros michel banana that I'm trying to keep the PS alive through the winter. This way everything still gets natural sunlight. Thoughts? Suggestions?

For me:

Chupa Chupa / South American Sapote
Peanut Butter Fruit Tree
M-4 Mango
Okitsu Wase and Miho Wase Satsumas
Sapodilla Nispero
Gros Michel Banana

I've tried a yangmei juice drink at a Taiwanese restuaraunt. It has a herbal taste that is pretty quintessential of chinese medicine. If you're not accustomed to the flavor, you probably won't like yangmei.

Ostensibly Yangmei is the flavor called Yumberry in the berry mix Skittles packages 😄

Mammee Apple

I hope so. When I was first getting into this based on fruits I had tried living in Miami and I meant to buy a Mamey Sapote and bought this instead now I have a 3 foot Mammee Apple tree that seems to be doing well

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Okitsu Wase and Miho Wase Satsumas
« on: November 10, 2022, 12:25:58 PM »

     I have six early ripening satsumas or tangerines In my yard, including Miho and Okitsu, as well as LA Early, Early St. Anne, Changsha Tangerine and Xie Shan, all on Flying Dragon rootstock except Okitsu, which is on Citrange rootstock.   So I went out and picked samples of all but the Xie Shan, which ripens much later than the others, and ate them about thirty minutes ago.  (I'm a bit bloated).

     In order of most to least sweet they are: Miho, LA Early, Changsha, Early St. Anne and Okitsu.
     In order of least to most sour they are: Changsha, Miho, LA Early, Early St. Anne and Okitsu.
     In order of most to least flavorful they are: Okitsu, Miho, Early St. Anne, LA Early and Changsha.

It's said that Flying dragon rootstock promotes earlier ripening, which likely explains why Okitsu, which is a very early ripening variety, is so far down on the sweet and sour scale.  I'm guessing that Okitsu is not as ripe as the others, based on this fact, and will move up rapidly as it ripens further, based on the fact the flavor seems more 'orangey' than the others.

At the moment, Miho is the best eating and I'm starting to eat them.

All of them are much better than Owari, which really doesn't ripen here at all, due to the extremely short growing season of the Pacific Northwest of the United States.  In fact, Owari never reaches full size here, remaining at golf ball size, even when overwintered and allowed to continue growing in the spring.

Miho has a sister called Seto, produced from the same breeding program that produced both of them from their Miyagawa forbearer.   Seto is probably comparable in flavor and sweetness.


This is why I love this forum. Thank you so much for this info! I have an Owari also but it hasn't fruited yet. I assume being down in 8b it will fruit here with our long growing season.

I'm intrigued by Miho being the best and how the growing environment here will go with Okitsu ripening. About how tall have your trees gotten?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Okitsu Wase and Miho Wase Satsumas
« on: November 09, 2022, 07:43:37 PM »
I have an Okitsu puchased from Costco.  The tree did not grow very big (reason unknown).   I have about 15 to 20 fruits which are turning color right now.  They taste rich with some sour and reasonable sweet.  So it is earlier than Owari which will be ready around end of Dec.

A good tree to have.

How long have you had it? Is it in the ground or a container? What I've googled is that these top out between 5-15' tall when fully mature.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Okitsu Wase and Miho Wase Satsumas
« on: November 09, 2022, 08:42:04 AM »
I have grown a Miho for many years.  It is very delicious.  It is much better than Owari which is the main satsuma variety available commercially here in California.  It is much sweeter and more flavorful.  Highly recommended!


Ooh thanks for the report. I assume I'm probably a couple years away from getting fruit off of them but I'm excited for it

Citrus General Discussion / Okitsu Wase and Miho Wase Satsumas
« on: November 08, 2022, 01:04:47 PM »
Has anyone grown these before? Saw them on sale at a local garden center here in North Florida and I've never seen them inside the Florida citrus bubble before. Wondering what the taste is like vs the common Owari or Brown Select that we usually see available.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your absolute favorite FL fruit tree
« on: November 08, 2022, 11:45:24 AM »
Im in 9b near the east coast of central Florida
Mango but it takes a lot of work to keep it alive and fruiting, a late winter blast like last year can destroy blooms.

As far as easy, mulberry.

Who the heck thinks citrus is easy in Florida? It takes more fertilizer, leaf sprays, and pesticide to keep them even remotely healthy than any other tree family with everything out there trying to kill them.

Just not the case here in North Florida. My stone fruit trees get attacked way more than any of my citrus.

Ooh thanks for the heads up. How far have you gotten with your Olosapo plant? Flowers/fruit? Healthy plant?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking For Olosapo (Couepia polyandra)
« on: November 07, 2022, 12:29:29 PM »
Seeds, seedlings, if you know a source. Interested in trying to grow this here in Florida. Let me know what you got!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 07, 2022, 12:08:49 AM »
Hey all,

Always been interested in growing things, got started with super hot peppers then went and lived in Antarctica for a few years on a research station. No fresh fruits and veggies for a few years caused me to buy a house in north Florida in 2019 and Iíve been working on a home orchard since then.

I have successfully grown citrus and peaches to fruiting in that time. Now branching out into some apples, pears, plums, pecans, bananas, and tropical fruit in containers. Currently have 15-25 gallon pots with a Brown Sugar Sapodilla Nispero, Mallika Mango, Mammee Apple, Key West Mamey Sapote, Lara Starfruit, and Purple Star Apple.

Looking forward to engaging with everyone!

Sent you a PM. I'm interested in potentially getting a tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your absolute favorite FL fruit tree
« on: November 06, 2022, 04:16:29 PM »
Yes, I don't believe there is such a thing as a low effort stone fruit tree like how easy citrus is  ;D

Dormant oil + multiple spinosad sprays in the spring or they'll have worms on the inside

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your absolute favorite FL fruit tree
« on: November 06, 2022, 04:05:28 PM »
As someone in the absolute southern edge of 8b (Tallahassee area) I love my growing zone. It basically lets me grow something year round. I can do the hardier tropical fruits as well as low chill deciduous fruit trees. Winters are mild enough that I can container grow most fully tropical fruits and keep them alive with a pop up greenhouse and a space heater as well.

My favorite tree right now because it has been the most productive of what I have in the ground is my Tropic Snow Peach. My favorite newly planted tree (planted about a year ago) that I'm most eager to try is a Shell Apple which is an heirloom variety developed in southern Alabama.

Thanks guys, my first foray into these types of fruit. Done lots of citrus and peaches but trying to do some tropical fruits now. I always end up over worrying about a new plant I've never grown to fruit before  :D

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