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Tropicaltoba:
Thanks for pointing that out, I guess I’ll keep them. I wonder how accurate hawthorn identification is, they seem to hybridize easy and are hard to distinguish from what I’ve read.

As for other “native” berries I have got pubescens, ideaus,and articus also had pedatus (not from my region, I got it confused with pub.) articus grew like an out of control weed in my raised acidic beds.I  was trying to use it as ground cover between blueberries. It actually swamped my blueberries, had lots of flowers and no fruit despite 2 cultivars, but I only gave it 2 seasons and then removed most of it. Ideaus grows just fine for the wildlife, I have a different (yellow Ann) that I cultivate for berries, needs pruning but gives 2 harvests per year. Pubesc. was just planted last year, I wanted a trailing white flowering plant for my front yard ornamental  “English white” native garden. I am trying native strawberry for that as well.

I have a couple ribes as well but most are cultivars as they are my wife’s favourite and I need to keep her on board with my plant obsession. I have golden current but the jury is out on that one still, grows well only a couple of fruit and birds beat me to them. Native black current flowers well but no berries yet.

I have native grape for the birds and hardy cultivars of which valiant is the best.

 I’ve got haskaps but all are cultivars that most likely have European and Asian genetics.

For serviceberries autumn brilliance is the best, standing ovation tastes pretty good and is a nice columnar form. I’ve got other local Saskatoon cultivars that had poor productivity due to soil compaction and rabbits, they should do better since moving and wiring.

 I’ve got other “edible” ornamentals; mountain ash, Nannyberry, sand cherry (very tasty if you can’t grow sweet cherries) and some Aronia which are supposedly melanocarpa (taste good but astringent) but as suspicious are hybrids. I also have some sambucs cultivars which are supposedly native too, but few fruit so far.

Next on my list are native plums and some pin cherry.

gordonh1:
That will be an amazing collection when they mature. I'm also growing Rubus pedatus, which is native here, Rubus pubescens, which is not, Rubus arcticus x stellarcticus hybrids, and as well we already had salmonberry, blackcap raspberry, Rubus ursinus (a trailing blackberry or dewberry). I introduced thimbleberry, but that is a preferred browse for the local deer, so it only survives inside fenced areas. Ribes divaricatum (very thorny), lacustre, rubrum, and trying to expand to include other species such as Ribes aureum (golden currant), cereum (wax currant), nigrum (European black currant), lobbii (gummy gooseberry), the native red flowering currant, and also nevadense, roezlii, speciosum, amarum - those last are California species of currant and gooseberry that I could find and seemed worth trying in the Pacific Northwest.

I'm also trying Amelanchier species of the Eastern and Western U.S. Some clones for fruit, Autumn Brilliance is one of them. There are wild ones in the forest here as well.

Yes, hawthorns are a difficult genus, with some species looking nearly identical, but actually different. Some hybridize and some have different ploidy levels, and do not. Some produce genetically identical seedlings (apomixis), and there are a large number of rare and localized types that are either species, subspecies, or varieties.

I just had germination from two other Crataegus species: laevigata (Smooth or Midland Hawthorn from England) and mollis (Downy hawthorn of Eastern North America).

BloomAndSprout:

--- Quote from: gordonh1 on March 22, 2024, 06:04:27 PM ---I'm growing them for the fruit, for medicinal and culinary uses, or for wildlife habitat. I wanted to evaluate a few different species. So far I have germination on C. opaca, C. punctata var. aurea, C. azarolus, and C. douglasii.

--- End quote ---
C. punctata var. aurea has yellow-ish fruits, correct?

Do you know where I can obtain some of the seeds, or could I purchase some off of you?

gordonh1:
Yes that is the yellow-fruited form of the dotted hawthorn native to the Eastern U.S.

I got the seeds from Sheffields.
https://sheffields.com/seeds-for-sale/Crataegus/punctata///aurea////5564/Dotted-Hawthorn,-Yellow-Dotted-Hawthorn/Dotted-Hawthorn,-Yellow-Dotted-Hawthorn

Tropicaltoba:
That’s where I got mine from as well.

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