Citrus > Cold Hardy Citrus
Which citrumelo is better? More resistant, better flavor or earlier to harvest.
Lauta_hibrid:
--- Quote from: Mulberry0126 on October 29, 2024, 08:42:00 AM ---So I have a detailed taste review on Dunstan and Sacaton, as well as mention of Swingle in a different video. I also made a picture to compare fruit size when I am offering the plants for sale.
Dunstan is my favorite, it ripens before frost here, and I actually prefer it slightly underripe. Fully ripe or after a frost it has a more prominent trifoliate taste. It has an acidic pomelo taste and some grapefruit bitterness but not much, it's quite palatable.
Sacaton is larger and juicier but milder in taste and reminds me of a sour orange and grapefruit but more diluted. It has a slight trifoliate taste, similar to Dunstan when fully ripe. I'm not sure when exactly it ripens here but it seems similar to Dunstan.
Swingle is the smallest of the bunch and has more of a lemon/sour orange taste mixed with grapefruit. Hints of mandarin too but the trifoliate taste is more noticeable than the others. It ripens before frost here.
I have not had the opportunity to try 5star, but if my trees set fruit next year I will review them too.
Here's the video review:
https://youtu.be/sWMmj09REC4?si=SyUei_N2Z9QlkDxM
Here's the photo comparison:
Also, forgot to mention. In terms of % nucellar seeds, Dunstan and Swingle must be 95% or more, they are highly uniform for us. Sacaton seems much lower, no matter the source.
They were the most uniform from Lyn Citrus Seed, but still had 10-15% zygotes. Seeds from open-pollinated trees at Stan McKenzie's farm were highly zygotic, upwards of 50-60%. Based on their morphology, many of them seemed to cross with Ten Degree Tangerine which was in close proximity.
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Excellent, thank you very much for the thorough explanation. Have you made breeding plans to achieve new genetics? I would like to perhaps mix with Morton and Bishop, to achieve more Citrus characteristics than Poncirus, since these seem to be the best tasting. Perhaps in future generations we can lose certain bad characteristics and concentrate the good ones. I think about doing backcrosses, but this would reduce resistance... I already have C. maxima x Poncirus and C. maxima x troyer, this year I am hoping to form fruit from C. maxima x Morton... but I don't know if it will be achieved 🤞
a_Vivaldi:
Good video!
I think citrus growers use the term "ricey" to describe those kinds of vesicles on the citrandarin. I could be wrong there though.
Mulberry0126:
--- Quote from: Lauta_hibrid on October 30, 2024, 02:09:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mulberry0126 on October 29, 2024, 08:42:00 AM ---So I have a detailed taste review on Dunstan and Sacaton, as well as mention of Swingle in a different video. I also made a picture to compare fruit size when I am offering the plants for sale.
Dunstan is my favorite, it ripens before frost here, and I actually prefer it slightly underripe. Fully ripe or after a frost it has a more prominent trifoliate taste. It has an acidic pomelo taste and some grapefruit bitterness but not much, it's quite palatable.
Sacaton is larger and juicier but milder in taste and reminds me of a sour orange and grapefruit but more diluted. It has a slight trifoliate taste, similar to Dunstan when fully ripe. I'm not sure when exactly it ripens here but it seems similar to Dunstan.
Swingle is the smallest of the bunch and has more of a lemon/sour orange taste mixed with grapefruit. Hints of mandarin too but the trifoliate taste is more noticeable than the others. It ripens before frost here.
I have not had the opportunity to try 5star, but if my trees set fruit next year I will review them too.
Here's the video review:
https://youtu.be/sWMmj09REC4?si=SyUei_N2Z9QlkDxM
Here's the photo comparison:
Also, forgot to mention. In terms of % nucellar seeds, Dunstan and Swingle must be 95% or more, they are highly uniform for us. Sacaton seems much lower, no matter the source.
They were the most uniform from Lyn Citrus Seed, but still had 10-15% zygotes. Seeds from open-pollinated trees at Stan McKenzie's farm were highly zygotic, upwards of 50-60%. Based on their morphology, many of them seemed to cross with Ten Degree Tangerine which was in close proximity.
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Excellent, thank you very much for the thorough explanation. Have you made breeding plans to achieve new genetics? I would like to perhaps mix with Morton and Bishop, to achieve more Citrus characteristics than Poncirus, since these seem to be the best tasting. Perhaps in future generations we can lose certain bad characteristics and concentrate the good ones. I think about doing backcrosses, but this would reduce resistance... I already have C. maxima x Poncirus and C. maxima x troyer, this year I am hoping to form fruit from C. maxima x Morton... but I don't know if it will be achieved 🤞
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Yes, I have lots of ideas for future crosses, and I think a Morton x Bishop cross could be very good. Here's a small list of some crosses I may attempt next season:
Calamondin x Citrandarin (942, 1279, Bishop)
Kumquat x Citrandarin
Kumquat x Tai Tri
Clem-yuz x Citrandarin (942, 1279, Bishop)
Yuzu x Poncirus
Yuzu + Trifoliate (Carolina Chimera)
Yuzu x Tai Tri
Ichang Papeda x Poncirus
Ichang Papeda x Tai Tri
Ichang Papeda x Citrandarin (942, 1279, Bishop)
Your crosses sound very interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing them in the future!
mikkel:
--- Quote from: Mulberry0126 on December 06, 2024, 12:59:19 PM ---I think a Morton x Bishop cross could be very good.
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It might also be helpful to use Bishop as a mother tree, Morton is said to produce almost only nucellar seeds. Bishop as a mother could be more promising.
Mulberry0126:
That's true, and Bishop produces far more seeds from what I have seen. I believe kumin told me that the % nucellar seeds is higher than US-852 but I'm not sure how much.
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