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Grouping Plinia (jabuticaba) Fruit into Astringent & Non-Astringent Varieties,

a worthwhile cause, I don't believe this has been done officially in any manuscript.

This would be helpful for farmers, growers, fruit sellers, wine makers, and other who use the fruit.

There is a preliminary list I have, of astringent and non astringent varieties (it needs work, maybe a few categorized improperly).

Astringent:

Sabara
Grimal
cambuca
Paulista? (ate some early borderline edible, but I say astringent, very chalky)

Non-Astringent:
Red
Anomaly
Escarlate
Phitrantha/Aureana
trunciflora

have not been able to taste coronata, I assume astringent...

same for most of the other purple fuzzy ones, like spiritosantensis, and Peluda do mucuri...I have never tasted them though...and the watermelon jabo too...

this short list needs work and doesn't consider Myrciaria species at all...and it should not.

Anything I've left out please add it in, I'm sure I forgot something that is easy to categorize.

Some are tricky because they are palatable early, yet still astringent...but the true non astringent types, like, red, anomaly, escarlate, can be eaten with no trouble, almost completely green...they are still somewhat juicy, and even rats will take them, seed and all.




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Simple, yet unusual question.  Hopefully not hard to grasp the concept.

Think of cutting a starfruit, or suriname cherry, or even a babaco fruit....

Does there exist a fruit that has a hexagonal shape, or arrangement?

Or are there only arrangements of other shapes, such as Pentagonal, Heptagonal and Octagonal?

Yet another simpler way of putting it.  Can you find a fruit, when cut that makes the shape of the hexagram? 

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https://www.flyingfoxfruits.com/s/stories/flying-fox-fruits-and-the-naming-of-rare-fruits

Over the last decade, there has been an influx of new names being adopted the within the rare fruit community. A few that come to mind include, the "Red" Jabuticaba (Plinia cauliflora hybrid), the "Starcherry" (Eugenia selloi), and the "Pitombatuba" (Eugenia selloi x luschnathiana).

Before I began my nursery officially in 2014, I had started the process of acquiring new and useful rare fruit trees for my collection, as early as 2007. When I first started collecting it was near impossible to find any other variety of Jabuticaba, besides the most common form, "Sabara" (Plinia jaboticaba).

After conducting intense field research. reading many books on the subject, and most importantly the advent of the recently pubilshed manuscript "Brazilian Fruits and Cultivated Exotics" by Harri Lorenzi et al., I was able to form a scientific opinion that was based on a deeper understanding of recent discoveries within the genus Plinia. Which led me to the conclusion, that all nurseries in the United States had mislabeled all of their "Sabara" Jabuticaba trees as Myrciaria cauliflora, which designates an entirely different species, and much less common in nursery trade in the USA.

Further evaluation led to the conclusion that the "Precoce" or "Hibrida" variety of recent introduction to Brazil, had already been introduced into the USA, and was being sold under the moniker "Everbear" by Larry Shatzer at Our Kids Nursery, in Winter Garden, FL, since at least 2005. The name I began marketing the fruit under was the translation for the name given in the Brazilian Fruits book, which was "Vermelha" or simply translated as "Red".

From what I've gathered since, this was a mistake in the book, where they labeled both the "Precoce/Hibrida" and the "Vermelha" as different fruits, when indeed they're one in the same, and the "Vermelha" fruits were picked early, hence the red coloration, and misnomer due to the appearance when harvested. In short, the name "Red" jaboticaba was first used by Adam Shafran (me), when I started to popularize the fruit around 2010, in posting on the Tropical Fruit Forum, and giving speeches across FL to the rare fruit clubs.

The name has stuck, probably because the fruit doesn't get the same black color as "Sabara" and it can very readily be eaten early when picked with a red coloration. The fruit is actually non astringent, whereas the Sabara is astringent, thus the "Red" Jaboticaba lends itself to being harvested early during its red colored phase, before it reaches full maturity with a deep purple color, never really black like Sabara.

As for the Eugenia selloi, and the usage of the name "Starcherry" which has been widely adopted in recent years, I would like to let it be known, that the name was coined by me. Mainly because there is no credit given on the internet to me for this naming. It's meant to be used as a compound word, to avoid confusion with the "Star'" Cherry, which is a preexisting variety of Prunus.

Furthermore, the recent discovery of the Eugenia selloi x luschnathiana "Pitombatuba", was due to my efforts in growing both the Pitomba and Pitangatuba in close proximity for years on my farm. The crossing of the two species occurred casually, and the seedlings it produced were accidentally sold to nursery growers and wholesalers, some of which ended up realizing they had something special, only after being told exactly what they had, by me. I had predicted my Pitombatuba mother tree was a hybrid before it ripened fruits. I was able to tell by looking at the plant morphology, and confirm my hypothesis of this hybrid long before anyone else.

Hopefully in the future I can ensure that the impact I'm making in the rare fruit community is fully understood, and appreciated. Until the next new fruit is named, please stay tuned.

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Thanks in advance to all the supportive comments, this is all preliminary and nothing has been decided, but as I was told, chances were likely that the new alignment would interfere with my farm (actually both would, and there's only two left to choose from before the plans are approved)

To all who may ask questions, I won't be able to answer them, but rest assured FL is a decent state for eminent domain proceedings.  Lawyer's fees are all paid, every bit by the state.

Link to video without commercials on my youtube

https://youtu.be/IzbiUufGWec?si=t9PsrpEVE4SBNM9d


Link to news article and video via WTFV 9

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/after-another-route-shift-fruit-farm-stands-way-417-airport-connector/ZOQAEIASGZAMHIWLK2CS67OHA4/

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pictures coming soon,

I have this variegated Maha chanok  mango seedling that is about 3yrs old by now, and it's showing a very stable pattern that won't fade.

The chances of me getting this seedling seem very slim, check out the backstory...

about 4-5yr ago I drove by my neighbor's house, noticing his mango trees had been ravaged by freezes, showing only rootstock suckers left growing vigorously.
I explained that the rootstock would produce inferior fruit, and take much longer to fruit than a grafted tree of a known variety, and I offered to top work his trees.

with no qualms, he allowed me to proceed with grafting, which resulted in about 7 successful grafts of maha chanok and cogshall scions onto two separate rootstocks.

the trees fruited in about 1yr after grafting, and I had told the owner that I'd like to taste one fruit when it was fruiting.  One day I drove by and knocked on the door to ask if I could take a fruit off the tree, I noticed a few left that were perfectly ripe, and nobody answered the door....being that I had permission and was the one to graft the trees, I took the liberty of taking a fruit.

The fruit was delicious.  I planted the seed in my yard, out in the field and forgot about it.

Years later I noticed the seedling had a faint variegation pattern...I was astounded given the odds of finding a variegated seedling being that I've planted hundreds of seeds without getting one.

Over the years I grafted a few trees as back up and observed the mother to see if the pattern would fade, but it has only grown stronger.

The pattern is not what I'd call striking, but it's got a very nice splashing pattern on the foliage...so I named it Maha "Splash".

I hope to offer a few grafted plants in the future and would love to see how the fruit quality turns out...and if there's any variegation on the fruit.

I will post some pics of the trees very soon.

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i will have to upload some pics later but first flowering this year:

Plinia asa grayi (which seems to be Myrciaria or Eugenia, definitely not Plinia)

Eugenia azeda

Garcinia sp. "Madruno Lindero" from Jim West

Does anyone else have these species flowering yet in USA?

thanks to the group for any info

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https://youtu.be/nSBwJNDDUfc?si=MdE0OFrBAY_UX7Wn

very easy method to filter water, I wonder if it has an impact on pH or chloramine, fluoride levels?

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Amazing this Eugenia turned out to be a novel hybrid of E. luschnathiana x E. selloi, Pitangatuba crossed with Pitomba.  It taste just like a mix of the two.  I hope you enjoy the video.  Hopefully will have some of these available by next year!

https://youtu.be/ucTLoF7Bfew

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Summer's End: What Rare Fruits are Left to Eat?
« on: September 10, 2022, 12:30:56 PM »
new video touring around the farm, trying to find fruits that are still left to eat after a brutal summer season that was too hot and dry.

The rains are finally coming, and everything thinks it's spring.  Mostly Plinia fruits now and Eugenias, but we also have a good amount of Garcinia, and Persimmon fruits.

What's fruiting now for you?


https://youtu.be/7oqnw8r8RsE

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making some new content on my youtube channel, pre recorded and edited stuff.

This one is about some of my experiences in growing Annonas on the farm, which is a bit too cold and wet for most of the typical varieties (Atemoya, Sugar apple, etc...)

the video premieres in about 2hrs.

https://youtu.be/gicKlpDdXBI

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8yrs almost to the day, since I officially got a nursery license and started my business.

We're celebrating 2022 with some new Plinia hybrids selected on the farm, and more rare fruit items (fresh fruit, and freeze dried).

Here is a new logo graphic my mom made (she is also responsible for the original logo).

We plan to use it on some items like stickers, shirts, and decks.  Will have to slightly modify or crop the image to fit shirts, because it's lengthwise now to fit a deck.

Hope everyone is doing well, and eating something rare, of the genus Plinia preferably.




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this is pure red jaboticaba pulp, freeze dried, the result is one of the most amazing fruit related items you can taste...like jaboticaba cotton candy with a crunch...intense flavor...sweet with some sour...my favorite thing to do with jaboticaba for sure...(not a wine drinker here lol...fruit leathers used to be the thing, but that's soooo 2000 and late)








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Please check website for details, it will sell out eventually.

no shipping to CA, TX, HI, or AZ thanks!

https://www.flyingfoxfruits.com/product/LemonDropBox/78?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false

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it would be excellent if the strange color stays...

they’re sweet low resin fruits so far...very pale.








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I think the last speech i gave was in 2014 to the Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society of the Redland (Rare Tropical Fruit Conference)...about 7yrs ago.

I figured that was as good as it gets, and really didn't have much new information to share, so I stopped giving speeches and stayed at home on the farm to take care of my plants and animals.

I turned down a lot of requests to speak over the years, and recently tried to turn down another, but made a joke "if they let me do a zoom speech I might consider"...it ended up biting me in the butt, because now with COVID, all the speeches are via zoom...so i had no way to refuse (my usual excuse is, I have no employees, and have to stay and watch the farm...and it's not worth it for me to travel for a speech, I'd make more money and have less stress just staying at home).

So now I'm preparing a speech for the same society that paid for my last speech in 2014, the Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society of the Redlands, on the 31st of March 2021.  The same subject as before, but now with 7yrs more experience.

To see the speech I assume you'd have to pay the dues for the club....maybe worth it because of all the zoom speeches they'll have?

I think they may film it and have a way to share it, but don't quote me on that....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Peculiar Flowers of a Eugenia uniflora
« on: January 30, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Here are some pics, note the shape of the anthers, the petal count, and of course the size.

I put a normal black pitanga flower in the pic to show them side by side.








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live stream begins at 905 ET...so about 15 min from now

https://youtu.be/zf49NjwK1u4


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 ;D

feed two animals with one stone fruit, and then clean the stones for planting...yo...

https://youtu.be/kxprl1IadUU

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