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Title: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on April 02, 2022, 12:20:31 PM
Hi all,

I am looking for Shine Muscat vine for a while, does anyone know where to buy it?

Thanks,
Al
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: wonderful89 on April 02, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
I too have been looking for this variety, either cutting or plant. Closest, I've found was a seller in China which is a no go. Plus not sure if it's even the really deal.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 02, 2022, 02:31:49 PM
I’m on the market for this plant. Willing to pay top dollar.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh/81-FAD0-B6-3-A5-B-4-C18-86-CE-9713-A00-A1089.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh)
These are my favorite fruit.
Really hard to find in markets here in the us. When I was in Korea, it was everywhere.
Good quality grapes sell for about $25 a bunch.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on April 02, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
I’m on the market for this plant. Willing to pay top dollar.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh/81-FAD0-B6-3-A5-B-4-C18-86-CE-9713-A00-A1089.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh)
These are my favorite fruit.
Really hard to find in markets here in the us. When I was in Korea, it was everywhere.
Good quality grapes sell for about $25 a bunch.

It is $40 now.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: W. on April 02, 2022, 10:12:44 PM
I’m on the market for this plant. Willing to pay top dollar.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh/81-FAD0-B6-3-A5-B-4-C18-86-CE-9713-A00-A1089.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh)
These are my favorite fruit.
Really hard to find in markets here in the us. When I was in Korea, it was everywhere.
Good quality grapes sell for about $25 a bunch.

How well do Muscat grapes grow in the Southeast? I have always shied away from growing anything other than muscadines, since the prevailing wisdom seems to be that our climate, specifically our high humidity, are not that conducive for non-muscadine grapes.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 02, 2022, 10:31:48 PM
I’m on the market for this plant. Willing to pay top dollar.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh/81-FAD0-B6-3-A5-B-4-C18-86-CE-9713-A00-A1089.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJ3RCgfh)
These are my favorite fruit.
Really hard to find in markets here in the us. When I was in Korea, it was everywhere.
Good quality grapes sell for about $25 a bunch.

How well do Muscat grapes grow in the Southeast? I have always shied away from growing anything other than muscadines, since the prevailing wisdom seems to be that our climate, specifically our high humidity, are not that conducive for non-muscadine grapes.
I'm not sure how well these do...Muscadines are the go to grape and the new and improved ones from Ison's are top notch....

To describe the taste of these, think of infusing a crunchy green table grape with the taste of a muscat. I believe they have seeds, but they are sprayed with giberellic acid to make them seedless? That combined with the techniques of thinning the grapes explains why we will never have any commercial shine muscat growers in the US. It's too much labor and the public aint gonna want to pay over $25 a bunch.

My parents had a friend who smuggled a cutting back, but they ended up moving houses and lost the vine. I have no idea why they didn't bring it with them.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on April 02, 2022, 11:01:42 PM
Hi Jabotica45,

Is it possible go back to that house and make couple cuttings?

Thanks,
Al
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 02, 2022, 11:10:40 PM
Hi Jabotica45,

Is it possible go back to that house and make couple cuttings?

Thanks,
Al
Unfortunately, I cant. If I could I would. Tree is over 10 hour drive away and I have no idea who lives there and whereabouts. All I know, the grape is nonexistent...It's a rabbithole not worth going into.

There has to be someone who has this in US... If you're out there, I'm willing to empty my entire bank account ;D
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: sc4001992 on April 03, 2022, 02:51:24 AM
I purchased some grapes at H-Mart last year. The grapes had some small seeds so I went back and purchased more ($25-$35 per bunch).

After planting the seeds, none germinated but it was worth trying, they are huge, tastes great but can't grow them seeds. I remember these Shine Muscat was sourced from two different locations to these Asian markets. Price was $14 per pound.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: W. on May 18, 2022, 10:25:06 PM
I have recently been eating Muscat Beauty grapes from Publix. They are in season right now and relatively inexpensive (more expensive than regular seedless grapes, less expensive than Grapery varieties). Some of what I have read online indicates that this is a variety developed by Chilean growers and unavailable to the public. I would love if that was not the case and someone could point me to someone selling this variety.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on May 18, 2022, 10:39:26 PM
Hi all,

I am looking for Shine Muscat vine for a while, does anyone know where to buy it?

Thanks,
Al

Very common in Korea, and this variety from Japan
I can get scion after the leaves have fallen
In order to obtain good quality grape clusters, sufficient grain of grapes removal and Gibberellin treatment are required.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on May 18, 2022, 10:42:06 PM
Hi all,

I am looking for Shine Muscat vine for a while, does anyone know where to buy it?

Thanks,
Al

Very common in Korea, and this variety from Japan
I can get scion after the leaves have fallen
In order to obtain good quality grape clusters, sufficient grain of grapes removal and Gibberellin treatment are required.
And that is why this will never be grown in the US- too much work. The general public isn’t gonna pay 25+ per cluster.
If you could source scions this fall, I’d be willing to get some?
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Surfmatt on May 19, 2022, 07:56:26 AM
Hi all,

I am looking for Shine Muscat vine for a while, does anyone know where to buy it?

Thanks,
Al

Very common in Korea, and this variety from Japan
I can get scion after the leaves have fallen
In order to obtain good quality grape clusters, sufficient grain of grapes removal and Gibberellin treatment are required.

You can put me on that list for cuttings as well if you can get some.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: K-Rimes on May 19, 2022, 11:48:18 AM
Add another for cuttings on this one.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: BosoZoku on May 19, 2022, 05:01:36 PM
i woud like cuttings as well.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on May 19, 2022, 05:58:26 PM
I guess I am not alone. :)
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on May 20, 2022, 07:43:55 AM
Hi all,

I am looking for Shine Muscat vine for a while, does anyone know where to buy it?

Thanks,
Al

Very common in Korea, and this variety from Japan
I can get scion after the leaves have fallen
In order to obtain good quality grape clusters, sufficient grain of grapes removal and Gibberellin treatment are required.
And that is why this will never be grown in the US- too much work. The general public isn’t gonna pay 25+ per cluster.
If you could source scions this fall, I’d be willing to get some?


Yes, I'll cut and sell after the leaves have fallen
Please wait till Nov
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on November 10, 2022, 07:01:04 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/pmVJXvV8/Kakao-Talk-Photo-2022-11-10-21-04-43.png) (https://postimg.cc/pmVJXvV8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9Dq709BT/Kakao-Talk-Photo-2022-11-10-20-25-27.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9Dq709BT)

I got some Shine Muscat cuttings

they have 2 or 3 buds , at least 20cm long

$4 per cutting , 3 minimum order

shipping will be $10 , takes 2~3weeks with tracking

If anyone interested, PM me

Best Regards

Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: JCorte on November 10, 2022, 08:15:59 AM
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Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on November 10, 2022, 08:43:39 AM
I got some orders

6cuttings left, thanks to all
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on November 10, 2022, 08:44:45 AM
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Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on November 10, 2022, 08:48:01 AM
-Sold Out-

thanks
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: wonderful89 on November 10, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
I would of loved to grab some cutting, but I hesitated, is it okay to import from S. Korea? Last time I brought some cuttings (vitis) from another country the inspector came knocking at my door and wanted to inspect my postage stamp of a backyard. He confiscated the cuttings and said they need to be incinerated. I'm more cautious now.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 08, 2023, 08:34:33 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mv4bDnNc/A57-B39-E6-F438-45-DF-B23-A-D00-F59-C5-ABC0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mv4bDnNc)
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: elouicious on January 08, 2023, 08:51:09 PM
Nice Job Ryan!
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 08, 2023, 09:00:28 PM
Nice Job Ryan!
Thank you! I hope to spread this one around to others once I can start propagating this. Hopefully the other cuttings in will follow this one.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on January 08, 2023, 09:49:55 PM
Great, hope the roots are developing.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: elouicious on January 08, 2023, 10:04:56 PM
Do you have any other grapes in the greenhouse?

Barring pest problems I wouldn't think you would have trouble
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 08, 2023, 10:11:40 PM
Do you have any other grapes in the greenhouse?

Barring pest problems I wouldn't think you would have trouble
No other grapes at all. Hoping things go well for this one! I don't really have much experience with grapes other than some muscadines, scuppernongs, and a few table grapes. But I have done some research, just haven't really put it into practice with say starting up the trellises lol.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: elouicious on January 08, 2023, 10:28:48 PM
They need a good trellis, and like some clay in the soil

not very picky otherwise
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on February 03, 2023, 12:46:50 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/5QQdgWcm/B71152-E8-E287-46-CA-BE42-95-E4304583-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QQdgWcm)

Anyone else got theirs to root? Mine already has flower buds 😂
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on February 03, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
No signs of any for me yet.  Maybe I need to buy Scions from you later.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Pau on February 03, 2023, 03:56:23 PM
When time comes i would like scions too please
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Okvid on February 03, 2023, 06:08:16 PM
I have one that is pushing out right now, but I don't have roots yet.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: 1rainman on February 03, 2023, 06:35:43 PM
Asian grapes originated in Missouri as lubrusca vinifers hybrids. In Asia they bred them for larger size. Essentially the flavor is of American grapes.

Pierce disease which is fungus spread by a bug similar to citrus greening eventually kills southern grapes. A cold winter will kill pierce and the bugs that spread it so not an issue north of the mason Dixon line. There is no cure only planting native grapes that tolerate pierce. Then you have fungus from the high humidity.

The best grapes for Florida are zehnder hybrids z86, cab zehn, and dunstans dream are the main ones. These are 3-6% muscadine crossed with other natives like aestavalis and selectively bred for many generations. Zehnder grew them in south Carolina with no spray. They will be damaged by fungus and could benefit from spray but they will survive. The flavor and wine is outstanding from these grapes.

To a lesser extent taris burgundy. I have a bunch of crosses from these grapes I have been selecting for toughness. As a whole coastal south Florida will be a struggle to grow grapes more of a novelty as the humidity is around 100% and too much fungus not enough of a winter for dormancy. Central and northern Florida these varieties will grow really well.

Razzmatazz is a muscadine hybrid that will do well in Florida and bear year round. Fruit is only average ok though. I will unload some of my stuff later in the year. My seedlings just came up so they need time to get big and ship and they die back in shipping and look bad on arrival but will grow back once planted. I also root some of my better crosses but they are in dormancy now.

Besides those Suwannee and stover are pretty good. Again spray recommended but will survive with a lot of damage with no spray. Grafted on native root stock they do better. They are complex hybrids with Florida native grapes like aestavalis. Dunstan 370 is good.

Blanc du Boise and Daytona have great fruit but very disease prone and nearly impossible to grow without constant spray. Same for Victoria red.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: 1rainman on February 03, 2023, 06:46:38 PM
Pierce is bacteria not fungus my bad. Most commercial grapes are hermaphrodites (self fertile) so they breed with themselves. The seeds are highly inbred and really weak and slow growing as a result. Once in a while one might be vigorous enough to grow but they lose vigour. Once you cross that inbred plant with another plant it will be healthy and vigorous again.

With a hermaphrodite x female seeds are 50% herm 50% female. Male parents only exist in the wild or as root stock since they don't get grapes and only produce pollen people don't typically grow them but they produce 2/3 male 1/3 female which you see in wild grapes. So if you grow from seed it might be female and need a pollinator. They don't grow true to seed but they are pretty similar to the parents. With hybrids you get a lot more variation though.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: JCorte on February 03, 2023, 10:06:56 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/5QQdgWcm/B71152-E8-E287-46-CA-BE42-95-E4304583-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QQdgWcm)

Anyone else got theirs to root? Mine already has flower buds 😂

Nice job Ryan!  Looks great!  I would cut those flower buds off.

Janet
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: 1rainman on February 03, 2023, 10:29:24 PM
Based on my experience with other cuttings I get very few to root which is a big reason I got seeds. Some will grow on the top without rooting then die. The sad thing is Florida has ideal conditions for rooting high humidity and temps in the 80s is ideal. So not sure why I suck at it. But seeds have been fun for me but they take three months of cold to come up. Though seeds left over from last year came up with a lot less chill time.

cuttings I get usually don't root. But other people seem to root them no problem. Those big grapes are mostly genetics but with any grapes if you cut the clusters in half you get less grapes but the existing ones will be bigger. They will put more energy into existing ones. Usually get better stronger flavor too. I believe in Asia they do this which is one factor in the high price. Less grapes produced but better flavor and size.

Many American grapes and hybrids taste better than store grapes. Like I said these are just American hybrids bred for larger size. The zehnder grapes and other hybrids like lake emerald taste amazing. Muench is a good one too.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on February 03, 2023, 11:40:09 PM
Thanks everyone! Janet, yes I plan on removing those buds. I hope to get some for sale to public asap. 1rainman, looks like you are correct about that. Here’s a link from wikepedia.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_Muscat
Note that giberellic acid is used to make them seedless and have a thinner skin.
Also they do thin the bunches out to get bigger ones. Seems like they have regulations to get each grape above 30grams. Which is labor intensive and why they can be expensive.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on February 23, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Well ladies and gentlemen,
It is with great sadness with what I'm going to say. Shine muscat doesn't taste like it used to. Let me explain -
I had the opportunity to eat these in Korea 2019. They were expensive, but really good. Everyone agreed it was worth the money. But now days, the taste and overall flavor has went down. In fact, my mom found a YT video talking about this too. In the comments section everyone was agreeing that they don't taste right. Why? Well because of higher demand, the quality has been going down. Not only that, but the prices of grapes have been too. Which can be seen as good, but in reality it's not worth buying them now. The taste is just not the same. So yes, you will be able to find these more easily in US, but not peak flavor. This is where we come in...I can't wait till these grapes start fruiting. We have the ability to grow these for ourselves in the US. Can't wait to see what stems from this. Just there is a code to be cracked. Getting the grapes to look like the high tier ones require thinning of fruit, proper fertilization, and treatments to keep them seedless.

Also anyone else get their cuttings to grow? or is it only me? Don't give up yet; some of mine are just starting to push in the greenhouse.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: 1rainman on February 23, 2023, 07:01:06 PM
Wild grapes and home grown hybrids taste better. I think not fertilizing as much and getting lower yields may be key. Every domestic fruit is just water and sugar minimum flavor because they are bred for larger size and the most production then fertilized for maximum yield. Flavor antioxidants etc are low whether it's bananas or grapes or whatever.

Try muench. It's a similar American grape from Missouri with good flavor. There is the joy grape from Arkansas seedless with American flavors. Dunstans dream. I'd like to see someone grow those and do a taste comparison.

They spray almost all seedless grapes with that acid. Otherwise even seedless stuff may have a seed remnant. Natural grapes are the best though.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on February 23, 2023, 07:30:00 PM
I totally agreed with Ryan.  Sunshine Muscat need a lot care to produce high quality fruits.  Everything included in Ryan posted and need to bag it and no direct sun on the fruits. 

I saw one out of my six cuttings is showing some new grow.  I am very happy and exciting to see more of my cuttings pushing new grow
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on February 23, 2023, 10:50:01 PM
I totally agreed with Ryan.  Sunshine Muscat need a lot care to produce high quality fruits.  Everything included in Ryan posted and need to bag it and no direct sun on the fruits. 

I saw one out of my six cuttings is showing some new grow.  I am very happy and exciting to see more of my cuttings pushing new grow
Al,
glad to see yours growing too.
I'll order some of those fruit bags they use. Just looks to be another couple years until potential to fruit.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Okvid on February 24, 2023, 12:28:26 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/D8dTBHZK/20230223-212655.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8dTBHZK)
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: PDXIan on February 28, 2023, 06:04:44 PM
HI Everyone, I would love to get cuttings, or plants from anyone that has them.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on February 28, 2023, 06:32:54 PM
HI Everyone, I would love to get cuttings, or plants from anyone that has them.
I'll have a few for sale in the summer. Not much though... I'm going to plant most of them out.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Gardening10m on March 08, 2023, 10:57:34 PM
 I want to try this grapevine, shine muscat,  anyone have some cuttings or plants to sell or share, please send me a message for the cost.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Passigi on August 13, 2023, 12:19:42 PM
Hi,
Also adding onto this thread to see if there’s anyone selling shine muscat cuttings, or know of someone who is, thanks!
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 13, 2023, 12:43:11 PM
I am pleased to say that I will be able to offer more plants this fall.
I can't accept any pre orders though as I don't know my final stock.
Just stay tuned as I will be dropping them around end of september?


Has anyone else been able to make more?
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: SouthBayHapaJoe on August 13, 2023, 12:57:43 PM
My cutting from Ryan took a little time but is now really putting on some nice new growth. Really excited about this cultivar.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7C9f1Fsf/66496-F15-5-B87-4963-9-CB8-2-A735-A69-BEB5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7C9f1Fsf)
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on August 13, 2023, 01:10:40 PM
Here is the pictures of my Shine Muscat from this order.  I gave 3 to my relative already.

(https://i.ibb.co/HFVcZHH/PXL-20230813-170610272.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8K0yk77)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKXWJtw/PXL-20230813-170535929.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BgxZ4kr)
quick image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Sir Graftalot on August 13, 2023, 01:34:33 PM
Anyone sampled and/or has cuttings of Ruby Roman Grapes? Another expensive Japanese cultivar.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: hammer524 on August 13, 2023, 01:39:33 PM
The one I ordered from Jabo45 a few months ago is starting to bounce back after the heat here. Do any of you set up a trellis for it? Or can you grow it like a bush/tree. I dont grow any other grapes
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 13, 2023, 02:15:29 PM
Good to see everyone having success! I've been sending these all over the country lol. Currently going to send some to family for more trials. Once done, I will sell all the rest.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: JCorte on August 13, 2023, 03:23:04 PM
Nice to see several people have been successful.  Most of my cuttings are growing but they’re all still in the community pot I rooted them in.  Need to get them into better soil and separate them.

Does anyone know if the fruit quality will still be good without using gibberellic acid.

Janet
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: pinkturtle on August 13, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
Nice to see several people have been successful.  Most of my cuttings are growing but they’re all still in the community pot I rooted them in.  Need to get them into better soil and separate them.

Does anyone know if the fruit quality will still be good without using gibberellic acid.

Janet

It is grow very fast once repotted to a bigger pot.  You can see the difference from my 2 pictures.  I know some growers use gibberellic acid to made the grape seedless, other than fruit quality no info that I could found online.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on August 14, 2023, 07:57:53 PM
By far the best tasting grape I've eaten is Summer Muscat. It was bred in CA for use as a dry on the vine raisin. It has a very strong muscat flavor. The downside was cracking of the skin. I'm now growing a sister line, Diamond Muscat. I have Summer Muscat from another source to try again. In a year I'll have an idea if they are true to type and worth growing.

Grapes do fantastic in my greenhouse. Others I liked were Summer Royal and Princess. Both big beautiful bunches of fruit. Summer Royal has a bit of a muscat flavor but nothing like Summer Muscat. Combine the two and I'd think they'd sell like....Shine Muscat...only probably way better taste.

Summer Muscat is one of the best tasting fruits I've ever eaten. Usually top fruits of a particular type are neck and neck as to which is best. Summer Muscat holds a 10x lead over any other grape I've grown or bought. And I've been a grape fan for 70+ yrs. Grown my own for 50+.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: JCorte on August 14, 2023, 08:29:57 PM
Fruitnut, thanks for sharing.  I've bought many figs from you so respect your assessment.  I'm going to try it if I can find a source.  Have you tasted Diamond Muscat yet?  How does it compare?

Janet
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on August 14, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
Hi Janet:

I haven't tasted Diamond Muscat yet. I will next summer. If what I have proves to be true to type and tastes good, I'd be glad to send you cuttings next year.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: hammer524 on August 14, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
Hey Fruitnut, do you grow your muscat on a trellis in your greenhouse. I ended up following your advice and go with traditional cooling on my greenhouse build. Too hot out to finish construction at the moment but wanted to say thanks. No way a climate battery would have aided in our July here
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on August 14, 2023, 09:59:42 PM
Hi hammer:

Yes my grapes are on a trellis usually about 8ft tall. Usually cane pruned. They're very fruitful. It would be a good greenhouse crop in AZ. My only pest has been powdery mildew. I spray sulfur for that.

We were about 10F cooler than Tucson is summer. That's still pretty hot and requires a big wet wall and big exhaust fans. I could hold mid 90s all summer long for highs. A lot depends on the dew point.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: JCorte on August 14, 2023, 10:21:21 PM
Thanks Fruitnut,  I'd be happy to trade you something good in return.

Janet
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 16, 2023, 03:11:02 PM
Just listed a plant here- Ty for looking
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=52070.0
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 11, 2023, 08:57:12 PM
Shine muscat season is here
Can buy at Hmart across the nation…these were at the atl store.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2VHxdFW2/IMG-8385.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2VHxdFW2)
Only $33🤭.
I didn’t buy as the grape quality has been downhill ever since 2019.
And it’s not just happening for the imported ones either…
This article just about sums it up
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/01/19/culture/foodTravel/Korea-Grapes-Shine-muscat/20230119151837233.html

Also stay peeled for the red kiwi! My favorite kiwi by far…even surpassing the yellow ones. I’m looking to find a source for them.

I’m out of available plants for now. Hope maybe some this spring or earlier if possible.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on September 12, 2023, 10:34:33 AM
They're talking 16-18 brix for Shine Muscat. I just bought some no name seedless grapes that barely taste sweet and they are 20 brix. My good grapes are 25+ brix. I'm very skeptical if 18 brix grapes can really be good. They sound like they're pumped up on growth regulators and water. Just like the Thompson and flame grapes grown and sold in the US. The berries are 2x their natural size but not better than natural Thompsons.

Has anyone actually tasted Shine Muscat? Do they have a strong Muscat flavor? Because if they don't have a strong and very agreeable Muscat flavor then they're a scam.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: sc4001992 on September 12, 2023, 11:53:01 AM
fruitnut, I did buy many of these last year and they tasted very good. I didn't take the brix so this time I will. I really like my Kyoho grapes but it has seeds so the Shine is easier to eat (seedless) and they are larger grapes. I also read the acidity is very low, so it may appear sweeter even with a brix of 19. There is a pdf document from Japan that explains it in detail. If you want a copy of the 18 page pdf document then message me with your email so I can send it to you.

Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 12, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
Fruitnut,
I've had them way before they were hyped up straight from the source in Korea.
Hands down the best grape. Now, though, quality sucks. And imports are lower tier also.
they do got a nice muscat flavor, if not, they would just be any other green grape in existence.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on September 12, 2023, 12:52:20 PM
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 12, 2023, 06:22:30 PM
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Muscat flavor is not gone, but it's lacking. The farming practices have become lax now. Because there is a large demand, many farms started, but with the idea of mass production, the standards went down. There are many cultural practices for the grapes that are not done here in the US resulting in better quality grapes. Do that with any variety, and you'll get similar results. The idea of luxury fruit here in the US is not openly appreciated. Would you pay usd $300 for a 4 clusters of grapes? I wouldn't, but people do that.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on September 12, 2023, 09:26:08 PM
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Muscat flavor is not gone, but it's lacking. The farming practices have become lax now. Because there is a large demand, many farms started, but with the idea of mass production, the standards went down. There are many cultural practices for the grapes that are not done here in the US resulting in better quality grapes. Do that with any variety, and you'll get similar results. The idea of luxury fruit here in the US is not openly appreciated. Would you pay usd $300 for a 4 clusters of grapes? I wouldn't, but people do that.

In some of those Asian cultures they pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for all sorts of fruits even melons. Nothing convinces me that they're anywhere near worth the money. It's all about appearance, not eating quality.

What you're saying is that it's not the variety rather the culture that's makes great fruit. If that's the case, why is a Shine plant worth $100?

Culture does make a lot of difference. So does variety. I'm betting Summer Muscat fruit tastes a lot better than Shine Muscat. Summer Muscat will easily hit 25 brix. But so will most grapes. 18 brix is pathetic for a grape. Those expensive Shine are mostly about appearance and not eating quality. That's the Asian fruit standard: appearance and presentation is number one.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 13, 2023, 10:05:02 AM
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Muscat flavor is not gone, but it's lacking. The farming practices have become lax now. Because there is a large demand, many farms started, but with the idea of mass production, the standards went down. There are many cultural practices for the grapes that are not done here in the US resulting in better quality grapes. Do that with any variety, and you'll get similar results. The idea of luxury fruit here in the US is not openly appreciated. Would you pay usd $300 for a 4 clusters of grapes? I wouldn't, but people do that.

In some of those Asian cultures they pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for all sorts of fruits even melons. Nothing convinces me that they're anywhere near worth the money. It's all about appearance, not eating quality.

What you're saying is that it's not the variety rather the culture that's makes great fruit. If that's the case, why is a Shine plant worth $100?

Culture does make a lot of difference. So does variety. I'm betting Summer Muscat fruit tastes a lot better than Shine Muscat. Summer Muscat will easily hit 25 brix. But so will most grapes. 18 brix is pathetic for a grape. Those expensive Shine are mostly about appearance and not eating quality. That's the Asian fruit standard: appearance and presentation is number one.
I'd love to try some of the summer muscats. I've tried the summer royal and a few others while visiting a friend's farm out in Cali. Unfortunately, they were a let down (great flavor, but not really firm, and nothing really special)...I would rather eat the green table grapes they have at the store compared to them.
I also saw everest, which I think is something really promising. Unfortunately I didn't get to try it, but hey a seedless concord type grape. I'll take that. Would be interesting to compare these all together once they start to fruit. Have you tried shine muscat?
I totally agree that cultural practices really bring out the best in the grapes.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on September 13, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
I haven't tried Shine. I am going to be planting a new area in my greenhouse to grapes this winter. So, I'd trade Summer Muscat and Diamond Muscat cuttings for Shine if you are interested. Grapes do extremely well in my greenhouse.

Summer and Diamond are sister lines both strong muscat flavor.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 13, 2023, 05:24:56 PM
I haven't tried Shine. I am going to be planting a new area in my greenhouse to grapes this winter. So, I'd trade Summer Muscat and Diamond Muscat cuttings for Shine if you are interested. Grapes do extremely well in my greenhouse.

Summer and Diamond are sister lines both strong muscat flavor.
For sure. I'd love to hear your take on the shine vs others when grown in our cultural conditions.
This spring I should have cuttings or even plants.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitnut1944 on September 13, 2023, 09:31:29 PM
Great, we'll do it next spring...if I can remember... ;D
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 05, 2023, 11:40:26 PM
https://youtu.be/CBV8aVTlXQ4?si=4xn7O1MaHP70rEGs
Tasting of some shine muscat

Maybe will have a couple more plants this spring. Will get up on propagation.
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on January 09, 2024, 03:23:33 AM
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I got some Shine Muscat cuttings

they have 2 or 3 buds , at least 20cm long

$5 per cutting , 3 minimum order

shipping will be $10 , takes 2~3weeks with tracking

If anyone interested, PM me

Best Regards
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on January 09, 2024, 03:26:19 AM
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I got some Shine Muscat cuttings again

they have 2 buds , at least 20cm long

$5 per cutting , 3 minimum order

shipping will be $10 , takes 2~3weeks with tracking

If anyone interested, PM me ( I have 20 cuttings limited)

This is last opportunity to no longer sell it.

Best Regards
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: FruitForLife on January 09, 2024, 06:02:28 AM
This cost $10 a bag here in so ca Asian markets now, used to be 20+
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: Nick C on January 09, 2024, 09:09:20 AM
Pm sent
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: BloomAndSprout on January 09, 2024, 09:20:39 AM
PM also sent
Title: Re: Shine Muscat
Post by: fruitree on January 10, 2024, 07:25:32 AM
-Sold Out-

Thank you for interesting