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The mexicolas are very vigorous trees. Really only a few varieties are suitable to grow in pots. I think Wurtz gets the nod, but really avos like being in the ground.

Fuerte and Bacon can be great if picked ripe, and their seasons do complement Hass well, but for cold hardiness, you should consider mostly Mexican types with seasons Dec-February, ones like Fuerte and Mexicola would be prime contenders.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anybody hav3 Leo3 atemoya?
« on: March 20, 2023, 07:55:54 PM »
If the tree is still dormant at the start of April I may have some.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Prague Citsuma
« on: March 18, 2023, 12:33:50 AM »
I am looking for this variety, I've heard that it's ugly, but a survivor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: March 12, 2023, 10:28:34 PM »
There will be a gaseous carbon reckoning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya bonanza
« on: March 06, 2023, 08:07:50 AM »
Very nice harvest.   I am jealous, I have a large in-ground grafted cherimoya but I have yet to get a single fruit to set.  I flowers a lot and I have been hand-pollinating them when I feel like it but I am lazy and probably not doing it right.  Meanwhile my container atemoya produces fine.  I am thinking of replacing the cherimoya with the atemoya (or topworking various annonas onto it) simply because hand pollinating is a chore. 

I just want to try the fruit first once before I give up on it.
Fruit can vary greatly year to year. I found a tree on a property that was basically sticks (mature tree, but not watered for years), after applying water and fertilizer, it began growing vigorously, and fruiting well. The fruit quality was very poor for 5 years or so, soft, insipid flesh, with flavor that was difficult to appreciate. You could tell the fruit was ripening on the tree much before it was ready (dull skinned).

The last couple years, the fruit has been superb, comparable to Honeyhart, though smaller, it has good flesh/seed ratio, excellent bubblegum type flavor, and thick texture. But you can tell the tree is holding them until they're ready.

Point is it can take a few crops to produce representative fruit.

Is cherilata different than Painter and Fernandez?

Hi Pau,

Mine is a darker red almost deep purple. It doesn't look like "Painters" but I don't remember where mine came from. This is the first year it fruited and the fruit aren't ripe yet, so we'll see what the flesh looks like.

It came from me, the scion I received from John Painter.

You will have no trouble finding them in Atlanta area. That said, Butias are often painfully slow growers, the age you are searching for could be as small as a #7 pot.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Florida Buyer Beware - Publix Citrus
« on: March 03, 2023, 08:09:46 AM »
I am with 1rainman.  I NEVER use the self checkout on purpose
I prefer self checkout to a scanner/bagger who smashes my fruit.

As those are all monoembryonic types, I would plant a rootstock now and graft it with one of those types after it's three years old.

Does it care matching rootstock and scions with mono or poly?

I grafted Kesar and Alphonso on my unknow fruited rootstock; I have been eat Kesar the last few year, and Alphonso last year first time.They both have wonderful aroma but alphonso taste stronger sweeter. I like both. No Keitt for me -- too watery and nothing special.

What matters is the desired varieties to plant are all mono types, and therefore must be grafted to get a true-to-type plant.

You haven't had a Keitt picked at maturity, or a late season Keitt. It's a good one if the correct crop is picked correctly.

As those are all monoembryonic types, I would plant a rootstock now and graft it with one of those types after it's three years old.

My Alphonse flowered way too much, and eventually died back to the ground (planted as a number 7 on Turpentine), Keitt is nearly the same, after repeated years of extreme flowering it is nearly back to a stump (planted as a number 15 on Manila).

I haven't planted Kesar yet, but I suspect it will flower similarly, so a rootstock must be fairly well established to continue growing through the 3-4 flowerings a tree will produce each year in socal.

In Fl, this cultivar is falling out of favor due to disease susceptibility, poor fruit set, and splitting. Where you are is even hotter and wetter if you're at low altitude, so maybe consider a similar but more hardy variety. The recommendations as far as I've read would be Indian cultivars Imam Pasand, or Alampur Baneshan/ Banganapalli.

If you can find any of these available in your region, you might consider them.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO prunus mume seeds or plants
« on: February 28, 2023, 06:53:43 PM »
Are you willing to deal with import restrictions?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB: Allspice tangelo fruit.
« on: February 28, 2023, 06:52:11 PM »
I'd be grateful for a CA source who is certified to share material.

Seed molding happens a lot when germinating, the weak seeds particularly succumb, as well as those irradiated and refrigerated.
That tree looks pretty crispy, but if you do a bark scrape test, you may be pleasantly surprised. Damage up top usually weakens a mango tree, but damage to the roots usually kills them ded.

Does Zills post their new introductions on their Facebook page? Trying to keep my finger on the pulse of the latest mango trends.

They're a wholesale nursery, so your best bet is to search posts on here for info, especially those close to the sources like Har, Rob, and Alex. Usually they are the first to share info on here. You could also try purchasing fruit from the ZHPP fruit stand and you may luck out, or might get something picked at a time which doesn't give a fair representation.

BTW, Alex recently updated many of the pages on the Tropical Acres Farms site, so if you haven't looked there in a while, there's new info, especially into the medium term performance info for stuff grafted 3+ years ago (many of the recent Zill releases).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Creme Brulee Mango
« on: February 28, 2023, 06:41:18 PM »
Wow, Thank you for the followup Alex.
I'm eager to regraft it, but with moderate-low vigor, and high propensity to flower, it should definitely be on an established rootstock for So-Cal. I think I have at least one more that's hanging on through the gopher onslaught, looks like it may be grafting size later this year or next year if it lives that long.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Creme Brulee Mango
« on: February 27, 2023, 05:34:59 PM »
I'm eager to try one this year, my plant was devoured by gophers, so I'm going to have to replant it.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB: Allspice tangelo fruit.
« on: February 20, 2023, 06:17:47 PM »
Good luck, it's a rare one for sure, with a short season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting passion fruits
« on: February 18, 2023, 05:20:36 PM »
They're in Australia with KP.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How exactly does cross-breeding work?
« on: February 14, 2023, 11:50:11 PM »
So does the shape of the pollinated fruit offer hints as to the pollen used to fertilize the embryo to create that fruit? I think the answer to that question is that it depends on the species.

Weirdly it's not a factor for most fruit except Annona like Cherimoya, where the pollen used in fertilization can affect the shape of the fruit as it develops.

That said, it's not a helpful tool most of the time, and you can use techniques to verify the pollen parent by bagging flowers and removing the pollen of the flower after pollinating, but before the flower enters male stage and the pollen dehisces.

Are you trying to use crossing as a tool to learn more about the variety you obtain pollen of?
Otherwise I don't see the use of this tool, and even if that is the goal it seems that it really only plays a factor in fruit shape if I understood what I've read correctly.

Factors like fruit shape don't necessarily play into the progeny though, it depends on phenotypic inheritance.

Some trait genes are dominant, and will more than likely affect the resultant cross. Others can be reflected partway or blended. Some are recessive and are less likely to be reflected in the cross, and may take multiple generations of selection to be reflected in a cross.

Let's take mango seed polyembryony as an example.
The seed polyembryony is affected by a single gene, and the trait is inherited in a dominant pattern similarly to gender in humans. They aren't referred to as "X" and "Y" due to them not having this characteristic shape, but they do follow a similar pattern, so we can call them "X" and "Y" for demonstrative purposes. Similar to how "X" works for humans, the gene that carries the trait for mango seed monoembryony is inherited recessively. Therefore you can get monoembryonic offspring from polyembryonic parents, and at a ratio of 25% if both parents are polyembryonic, and 50% if one parent is monoembryonic. If both parents are monoembryonic the result of their crossing will yield 100% monoembryonic offspring. This discussion only applies to zygotic seedlings.

For typing mango offspring, this is most helpful for determining the the potential parent of a cross. If you have three mango trees in your yard, in this example a monoembryonic type, a polyembryonic type, and a seedling of the monoembryonic type, and it's assumed that no outcrossing is possible, you may potentially be able to identify the parent of the offspring if it produces fruit with polyembryonic seeds. That said, we don't seem to have any mango "breeders" as such, only mango "selectors," and "selectors" don't select on genotypic traits, but phenotypic, or "expressed" traits. You get a lot of confusion when purported parentage of mango selections are espoused, often leading to forum discussions similar to that you might overhear on daytime television.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Making concrete pots
« on: February 13, 2023, 10:44:26 AM »
It depends on the shape of the pot, but anywhere low is best, including the bottom of the pot. If the shape of the walls do not narrow towards the bottom, holes around the edges of the bottom will be necessary for even drainage.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Making concrete pots
« on: February 12, 2023, 11:11:52 PM »
You could use vapor barrier or similar sealant to create a non permeable barrier between the soil and the pot. Clay might be the best choice.

The cement will always dissolve as long as the soil is in contact with the surface and is wet.

Mites hate humid conditions, so you don't need to spray them off, under leaf misting is sufficient.

I've never seen fungal attack on Longan, so I'm not sure where I'd start, maybe sulfur added to the mist to drop the pH on the surface.

I see the spider mite damage, but this looks fungal in origin.

Similar symptoms occur from lack of zinc. Did you fertilize this after symptoms appeared, but before the picture?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: January 28, 2023, 03:58:48 PM »
Ferrets are not an option in California, and in El Cajon, we have many birds of prey. The property has some of the tallest trees in the area, so the owls and hawks (Mostly Redtail) use them as perches for hunting and nesting.

Even with all of the birds, the gophers reproduce too quickly for the birds to really knock down the population.

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