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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Florida Buyer Beware - Publix Citrus
« on: March 11, 2023, 05:15:21 PM »
Well that's why you grow fruit yourself or buy from a  local grower. It's like grapes. I love wild grapes and home grown. Store grapes I seldom eat them. Even a variety I like such as red globe usually was picked and shipped across the world and not great. Though generally the home varieties taste better too. Same with bananas. They are amazing home grown. Store bananas I seldom eat. Maybe once in a while. Though I haven't had much home grown stuff in years other than a few grapes. I need to start growing more again.

If course I like the plants themselves as well so it's an all around win in many cases.

It has been unusually warm for about 10 years. Mangos don't grow in Tampa normally. Seems avocados are slightly more cold hardy and the size of the tree is a big factor

I don't know them off the top of my head. They just come up when searching. They'll say that they don't ship outside of Florida hence Florida nursery.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What killed my greenhouse banana?
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:58:47 PM »
Also bananas need to drink from their leaves and stems. So high humidity is desirable. Or when you water them spray the leaves. This could be stressing them too. Low humidity in winter no morning dew or rain on the leaves. That's one problem I had in winter which also led to spider mites from leaves not being sprayed enough. But I mist them or run a humidifier at least a little.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What killed my greenhouse banana?
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:46:40 PM »
Also bananas will grow in pure mulch. You can pile up a big pile of mulch and compost above ground instead of a pot which will warm itself as it roots. Bananas just got too root bound even in giant pots. You can't over fertilize them either so a giant pile of compost or mulch is not a problem they do better in it and high acidity doesn't bother them.

Even though 50 degrees is not a problem for a banana they love heat. Long periods without hot weather will stress them. So go for the most cold hardy types and give them a big mound of compost and mulch which would keep them out of deep water. They don't grow deep roots. They just make a giant bulb-corm underneath which they store energy and sprout pups. Their roots would mainly be in the warm mulch pile which will shrink as they eat it and need replenished.

It could have reached the end stage of life and said I'm too stressed to make bananas. They are messy plants with lots of dead leaves and when it does normally is wet rotten like that but new banas grow out of the rotting ones.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What killed my greenhouse banana?
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:30:23 PM »
Id say it was stressed due to cold which in it's weakened state a fungus like anthracnose got it even though normally it would be immune. I have seen bananas thrive in drainage ditches. Wet soil usually isn't a problem.

I suggest getting the most cold tolerant banana varieties you can find they will be a lot less stressed. My favorite variety raja puri has good tolerance and there's some with even better tolerance.

My bananas would grow better in the summer up north than in Florida. They just went crazy outside. Indoors during winter they never did well for me spider mites not enough light. But they never rotted or died.

They naturally die at the end of their life cycle usually after having bananas then new pups pop up from the corm. So the older one is probably more seceptible to death than a younger one.

Maybe try Orinoco or raja puri

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: March 09, 2023, 02:21:00 PM »
I mulch my container plants with regular mulch because they are outside and dry out quickly. The mulch slowly rots and replenishes compost which the plant removes and mulch is cheap. When I didn't use mulch it just dries out too fast. Then I started adding clay too. But I'm in Florida right now and it's hot all the time. Normally mulch is not recommended on citrus because they like to dry out. But my container citrus would be bone dry after a few days of no water in summer so I mulched it. I never had any problems my plants are healthy.

My main problem with concentrate juice is the disgusting tap water they rehydrate it with. There are some ok concentrated juices though most are garbage. Ocean spray is good. Their grapefruit juice is good and various cranberries. Not the best but decent. The store brand knock off oceansprays I can't even drink. It's disgusting like the tap water here.

A lot of concentrated juices here is straight tap water which comes out of the river here. But yeah I heard that too they add flavoring.

Like bottled coke is pretty good they use good Georgia water but local fountain coke is the local tap water and syrup. Doesn't taste the same. This tap water gives me headaches or I feel sluggish if I drink too much too. Also McDonald's I feel lethargic if I eat a lot of it due to preservatives I guess.

Yeah there's about 12 or so but I don't know the names of hand.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: OxiDate, Any experiance use this on citrus?
« on: March 04, 2023, 06:02:48 PM »
It should work well but peroxide is toxic to living tissue so too much could be harmful. When peroxide bubbles and fizzes that's due to an enzyme humans have which breaks peroxide down which it turns to water and oxygen which it will also slowly do with time. That's why it doesn't really harm humans. But when sprayed on leaves it will be more toxic to fungus than the leaf. Almost all fungicides are like that and can harm the plant in large doses but don't think peroxide is any different.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bananas On The Way
« on: March 04, 2023, 05:57:33 PM »
You do know that shredded banana leaves are harmless to the plant? Due to pups they are more trouble than they are worth in pots. A lot of people plant them outside in spring and dig up the corms before it freezes and store them over winter then plant them back outside every year. They grow so fast it works well but difficult to get fruit that way though sometimes happens. You'll have a huge corm that can grow back really fast. When stored in a fridge or cool basement it goes dormat with the cool weather.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Root rot cure
« on: March 03, 2023, 12:00:23 PM »
This is why I mix a small amount of clay. Portions of dirt with clay retain water for a long time. A lot of times clay may ball up you may not see it. Not too much clay maybe 5% just enough to keep it from drying out too bad.

At the same time I have good drainage. Miracle grow plus a little sand maybe 5%. The miracle grow is mostly peat moss and perlite with good drainage and good water retention already but this improved the two. Though in the summer they need watered almost every day. Mulch on top of my grapes also keeps it from drying. Can be used on citron if you know it will dry out enough.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: March 02, 2023, 11:52:28 AM »
If I water heavily like a good soak it is in a sink, bathtub or outside. The water drains out good enough and the plant sucks up the rest. I have stuff in pots outside in Florida where we get a foot of rain a day and they are doing fine as long as they have sun and heat. I only worry about stuff that isn't rooted to the pot so the plant doesn't soak up the moisture yet. Have to be careful not to overeater. But good drainage and I don't worry about perched water tables. My dirt has a decent amount of perlite and sand though with some clay to get them through dry periods.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lemon Production in Zone 5
« on: March 02, 2023, 11:44:31 AM »
Meyer is best. It blooms and ripens year round though most blooms are in spring and ripen during late fall. You will get some any time of year.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Florida Buyer Beware - Publix Citrus
« on: March 02, 2023, 11:42:02 AM »
Publix is garbage. The only thing it had going for it was clean stores, and customer service. Now they have one register open, the rest are all self checkout which doesn't take cash and the store maintenance has gotten sloppy. It's just Walmart with higher prices now. It's ok if it's close but it isn't worth driving to. Target is the last holdout. Even though they have self checkout they still have several registers open and pay their workers a living wage.

Sand is silicone dioxide. There's nematodes and stuff that live in pure sand and eat the plant. In small doses they seem to like sand but in large doses it seems terrible for growing stuff except cactus.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 25, 2023, 08:08:49 AM »
I never noticed the problem other than in pots with small holes and no rocks on the bottom. Or maybe outside during Florida rainy season and a plant isn't root bound enough then the compost gets wet swampy rotty fungusy. The simple solution is sand or less compost. It's a big problem when rooting cuttings because they rot easily you need really good drainage. I tried pure perlite before and discovered even perlite can get soggy. Probably sand or a sandy mix with perlite is best for rooting. Citrus I think is easy to grow as long as you don't have a lot of mulch or soil that is too soggy. It's not super picky it can handle some dampness. Usually root rot is because of the little water container under the pot and or small holes. When I put my plants outside they don't have a water tray under them the water just drains out. And indoors I will let it sit in water some but often dump it. It's pretty easy to avoid root rot once you get the concept down. I never had any problems with miracle grow potting soil the drainage is good despite people saying it sucks. They sell miracle grow garden soil which is cheaper and junk maybe they get mixed up with each other. Though adding a small amount of sand is beneficial. Some grapes find potting soil too acidic others don't but 99% of plants do well in it.

I feel healthy when eating oranges and orange juice. Mostly not from concentrate most concentrate is nasty. But the quality has gone down and price up so I don't drink as much. Grapefruit juice lemon and lime aid, it's all good. A little too much sugar though. The non red grapefruit juice is the only one with a good sugar level. Or homemade lemon aid not using much sugar.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: February 23, 2023, 07:01:06 PM »
Wild grapes and home grown hybrids taste better. I think not fertilizing as much and getting lower yields may be key. Every domestic fruit is just water and sugar minimum flavor because they are bred for larger size and the most production then fertilized for maximum yield. Flavor antioxidants etc are low whether it's bananas or grapes or whatever.

Try muench. It's a similar American grape from Missouri with good flavor. There is the joy grape from Arkansas seedless with American flavors. Dunstans dream. I'd like to see someone grow those and do a taste comparison.

They spray almost all seedless grapes with that acid. Otherwise even seedless stuff may have a seed remnant. Natural grapes are the best though.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 23, 2023, 11:55:01 AM »
Plants have done well for me both with rocks and without but often without rocks when I remove the plant there's a soggy layer of soil at the bottom like swampy. With the rocks even if there's water at the bottom it's clean it has air it's not all rotten boggy like. But I'm in Florida now so it isn't a concern everything dries out pretty quickly in the heat but in a cool damp environment I would do rocks or sand.

25% perlite, sand, compost, husk is a good mix as long as you fertilize.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 23, 2023, 06:15:46 AM »
Sand and perlite will stay pretty mixed. It's just a slow process over time it settles downward or upward. The roots then grow and hold it in place. But if I mix it I try to keep most perlite away from the top layer and most sand near the top then it settles and evens out. You will need to mix it in because regular compost will be too wet and too acidic generally. The sand and perlite being neutral.

You could grow in virtually pure sand or gravel it just lacks nutrients then compensate by fertilizing. With your mix over time the organic material will be consumed by the plant and it will become a higher percentage of sand and perlite over time . Usually you just add compost to the top and fertilizer but this is like years in the future.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 21, 2023, 08:00:49 PM »
Most of the sand where I live is sugar sand very small. Some larger particles but mostly small. It works well in a mix but over waterings it settles downward until.the roots are dense enough to hold it in place. I sprinkle some on the top of the dirt and it makes it's way down. But we also have a lot of small shells that are larger than the sand particles.

Citrus don't like mulch generally. But it also depends how hot it is and how much you water. If you have good drainage you will need to water more often. That's ideal, really good drainage let it dry between watering but in the hot summer probably water almost every day. If you are going to be gone for a long time you might need to add clay or something that will hold water. Otherwise perlite with a small amount of sand and compost is pretty good. The perlite floats upward and the sand downward.and the perlite is bigger. If it's not hot perlite can get soggy but in hot weather dries really fast. In Europe with cooler weather I would go heavier on sand and only a small amount of perlite perhaps. Though sand will make it heavy and perlite is light. Citrus grows in Florida in almost pure sand so it won't hurt it just moving the pots is more difficult with more weight. Even small rocks at the bottom of the pot can be good. There is no perfect soil because you have to consider the temperature how frequently watered etc. Just keep the dirt from staying wet for prolonged period because citrus doesn't like wet roots though they like a lot of water as long as they can dry between watering

Citrus General Discussion / Re: New Questions
« on: February 18, 2023, 08:55:02 PM »
Several things lead to brown or black spots besides mites. Could be mites though. I have seen cold weather do that on fruit that is young like that when it gets cold.

Scroll down to the picture of the frost damaged fruit. But depending on the variety and how mature the fruit is, smaller younger fruit being more susceptible it might not need to freeze and might not damage the leaves. This usually happens when you have really small undeveloped fruit hit by cold temps. There's also fungus that leaves similar marks. Almost all Florida citrus is marked up unless they are spraying it with something but those look particularly bad.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Plants for unheated greenhouse
« on: February 18, 2023, 09:22:43 AM »
Water moderates temperature. It will absorb heat in the day cooling it then release heat at night. Plants do the same to a lesser extent. Large buckets or tubs of water can mitigate the day night extremes a bit. You will need some kind of window or door to leave it open during the summer so it doesn't cook in the summer but winter won't have much sun up north so shouldn't be much of a problem.

Florida has a lot of sun even in winter so yeah down south you might need to block sun. New Jersey in fall, spring, winter I don't think so.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: New Questions
« on: February 17, 2023, 06:23:31 PM »
I should add about black fruit. Florida citrus looks like crap but has the best flavor. It's unlikely you'll get good looking fruit in Florida. I don't know the cause maybe the humidity but that fruit in the photo might have gotten cold too. It won't affect the flavor.

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