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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: Today at 11:06:24 AM »
doubtful its cold hardy it seems to be mostly guatemalan. 

i have only mexican avocados in season now Mark and they suck.  Mex grande and Stewart.  Not even wirth eating, Im going to top work both trees and ardith and holiday maybe a few others.  this is the consolidate and replace phase here.  Been removing and top working tons of plants that aren't worthwhile this year.

If you want some good avocados Ill have some for sale in April. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: Today at 10:10:36 AM »
Brad, the fruit looks very beautiful. The skin turns dark when ripe just like haas?

yes it has black skin when ripe.  its not really like hass though.  I just have 1 small tree going of this type, its a long way off from really having a good idea how it will do here.  It came from a guy in northern CA.  He may be a member here, not sure. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seed packs
« on: November 27, 2021, 04:16:05 PM »
you are welcome.  I would advise everyone to let them dry for a few weeks before using.  It may not be necessary but those seeds are very fresh and I always use 1 year old dry seeds and get good germination rates so it won't hurt.

I have more seeds to send in 1-2 weeks from now if you want a pack just send a payment and I will send them when they are ready.  Just need to collect more seeds this week and lwt them dry a few days.  Theres plenty to go around.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 27, 2021, 02:43:09 PM »
whats the marvel avocado?  is that the south african one?  is that a patent protected one or something that is available to grow?

I've got a few mature size trees but most of my stuff is small seedlings I planted in the ground that need to be grafted.  Ive got around 125 new trees to top work in January.  Im doing things a little different and growing zutano and bacon seeds in ground then top working.  I'm only going to end up with around 200 avocado trees total.  Maybe 250.  So its not a big planting.  Just something to make a little side money from.  We don't have water service.  Its all coming from a 4in well.  So I can't get too crazy with the plantings.  we have around 3 acres of different trees.  About half is going to be avocados. 

I've got a grafted experimental tree Im trialing here that may be a winner.  The fruits are super good and no one else has them.  Its a seedling tree from a friend.  Ill have to get permission to propogate or sell it but it seems like it may be a real winner.  It will be several years before I can really pass judgement on it though.

I'm growing pretty much every kind of avocado I can get my hands on here.  I've found most of them to be not worth growing for various reasons.  Same with dragonfruit.  Tried them all, most are not worth growing. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seed packs
« on: November 27, 2021, 01:14:51 PM »

my guess is theres still a part of the yer in Peru where theres not fruit.  they probably have some part of winter where the trees don't flower.  Just a guess.

if the weather stays warm enough the tree can keep flowering anytime of year.  just strip some leaves off of it and they make flowers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 25, 2021, 08:48:40 PM »
Thats true and I understand your comment and appreciate the point you are making honestly.  Not sure costa rica is the answer but your point is well taken.  Its always smart to keep an open mind and consider all your options. 

The US federal .gov says we shouldnt go to costa rica.  Go figure...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 25, 2021, 07:49:45 PM »
Ive never been to costa rica but my understanding is they are another covid authoratarian nanny state making people take experimental drugs and wear face diapers.  Not exactly a beacon of freedom and liberty.  Just saying. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 25, 2021, 06:40:53 PM »
Huh?  Leave the USA because they came for my red longan?  No thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 25, 2021, 12:12:29 PM »
I had one ordered from overseas.  The USDA showed up at my house to confiscate it!

Looks like its growing nicely now Rob.  Mines looking about the same.  But its getting hammered in a really strong santa ana wind today.   :'(   could hardly sleep last night, it felt like my house was going to blow away. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 24, 2021, 07:59:17 PM »
Kahalu is a small kid in comparison with my Lolo avocado.

Hi just to let you knoe I will be in touch after the holiday.  We will be busy here for several days and off the computer/email.  I have some thi gs to send you next week. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 23, 2021, 08:44:20 PM »
Iím no expert but Kahaluíu is the best Iíve eaten. Large fruit, small seed, thin peelable skin, delicious rich with oil.

Im growing kahaluu and have 1 fruit on the tree for the first time this year.  It dosant seem to fruit well so far but it may start once the tree is more mature.  Fujikawa is growing well here but the flavor is just a little off on them.  Otherwise it is growing and fruiting as well as any of the best CA avocados here. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 22, 2021, 10:49:48 PM »
I think they are B grade for flavor.  If others disagree, thats OK.  B is not that bad of a grade.  Theres just others that rate higher for me. I will take a reed over a lamb or gem any day.  My guess is majority of people have never tried them.   

if I have extra cherimoyas in december Ill send some to palm springs if you cordinate with me. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 21, 2021, 04:26:51 PM »
I dont know about carmen really i only have a couple immature trees.  So far thry have only made fruit 1X per year. 

Palm springs isnt that close to the growing areas near the beach.  I doubt you will get good quality cherimoyas if thry have them at all in a store in palm springs.  Even the farmers markets its pretty slim pickins here.  Cherimoya is mostly a backyard fruit.  Very few commercial groves. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 21, 2021, 12:53:32 PM »
Yeah the jan boyce doeant seem reliable at all here.  The fruit tastes nice though.  It probably does better somewhere with milder weather, too hot here. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:42:42 PM »
Jason by the way, the hass here alternate every year.  An alternating season every other year is ok if its reliable.  It seems to be pretty reliable they make a big load every 2 years. 

Sharwil and reed on the other hand can alternate and get on a 2 or 3 year interval.  And they make less fruit and grow slower.  So you can see the cost per fruit to the grower is much higher compared to hass.  I can put the sharwils and reeds on 12ft space though where hass is on 18ft. 

Lamb and gem alternate less than the rest but even they still can alternate a bit.  Those are the 2 stud trees for high density planting and heavy production.  They are probably good for selling to a resturaunt but for individual buyer they just arent the A grade fruits. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:27:37 PM »
Hi Brad,

Have you thought about selling directly to restaurants?  If the restaurant is busy enough they could buy everything you grow.  We donít pay wholesale prices, and youíre right that the quality of imports suck.  Important factors for us besides taste would be that the flesh separates easily from the seed and the skin peels easily or easily scoops with a spoon without the skin breaking apart.  Also avocado that donít discolor quickly after prep.  Thereís definitely demand from restaurants for quality, and supporting a local grower is a bonus.


Theres a taco shop nearby i go to often and I asked them one time if they wanted to buy some avocados.  The woman who owned it was interested but she was saying they needed to have a sticker from a packing house on them so they could trace it if there was a problem.  It sounded like excessive government regulation but she may have been wrong about that, I dont know.  She seemed to have some serious concern about the government showing up and looking at everything.  I have no idea if thats really a requirement for resturaunts? 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:18:22 PM »
Fuerte is good but its not as good tasting as hass to me.  The trees get super big but dont produce reliably also so they are kind of just not a good one to grow compared to hass. 

Bacons also people just dont really want to buy a lot and the trees get huge so its difficult to manage many of them.

They do sell some bacons and fuertes at the farmers markets here but its pretty minimal and not really a hot item.  Most people are buying hass even at the farmer market.  Reeds are popular at the market but the tree isnt that reliable where Im at.  The reeds also require staking or they can tip over from strong winds.  Reed is maybe the best tasting one though.  They are super good.  They were selling for 5$ each at the farmer market this summer. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado poll
« on: November 20, 2021, 08:33:28 PM »

Which avocados are most appealing to you?  Ive put the types I personally like and can also grow in this location.  I have to make a decision which types to grow for sale.  Which is a difficult choice to make.  The ones that taste the best dont necessarily fruit well or grow well and end up costing more to grow.

Reed, sharwil, nabal are superior fruits IMO but these are not as easy to grow here as the hass family. Hass is an awesome fruit and they grow and produce well here but its difficult to sell unless selling wholesale.  Tough to compete with mexican avocado production even if the fruit here are higher quality. 

Lamb and Gem are highly productive, but they are B grade fruits.  All of these have some tradeoff. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seed packs
« on: November 20, 2021, 07:38:20 PM »
In spring I will have some leo manuel #3 (cherimoya/atemoya) hybrid seeds available.  Those are probably better for florida if you want to grow them out and try to fruit the plants without grafting.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seed packs
« on: November 20, 2021, 12:52:50 PM »
Hello, the seeds are a mix of honeyhart, pierce, dr white and fino de jete.  They are all cross pollinated and unsorted. 

If anyone wants a pack please send a regular (for goods and services) paypal payment to

You could try your luck growing these out and see what you get, it will likely produce good fruits.  But grafting is obviously the best way to ensure you get a winner.

Thanks you!

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