Author Topic: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)  (Read 1839 times)

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Does anyone have any fortunella hindsii plants or seeds for sale?

Or know of a good source to get them affordably?

I've heard it has the shortest juvenile period for a citrus species (essentially unedible due to size/seeds though)

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I had a Hong Kong kumquat tree that I grew from seed, and the tree did produce fruit the first year.  Definitely not eatable.  I got tired of taking care of it and tossed it.  This was 10 years ago, and I no longer remember where I got the seed.

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Probably Ned. I had one too, pretty much useless.

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Probably Ned. I had one too, pretty much useless.

Who is Ned?

They're used ornamentally in bonsai (despite being slow growers)

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I want one too, just to complete my kumquat collection.  I had two but they keep dying for reasons that weren't clear to me.

There's a local place that sells them occasionally, but seeds are probably the way to go for these.

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Ned Rahn, but he closed his nursery.

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I want one too, just to complete my kumquat collection.  I had two but they keep dying for reasons that weren't clear to me.

There's a local place that sells them occasionally, but seeds are probably the way to go for these.
I saw live plants being sold on ebay for 24 dollars. I didn't pick one up (think they're sold out now) as I'll probably use that bit of cash on seeds soon.

Ned Rahn, but he closed his nursery.
What a shame, the search continues.

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franklazar has one.  We can all beg him for seeds once his fruits.

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franklazar has one.  We can all beg him for seeds once his fruits.
I think (?) I've seen that name before. I'm still relatively new here so still learning names haha.

I'd gladly shoot him a message if he's open to it. If I see any seeds I may update this thread too.

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Sorry itís been a while since Iíve been online lol, Iím getting ready to trim mine back if anyone is interested in cuttings. Itís roughly a 2 year old plant from seed.. no fruit yet but perhaps someone can get the cuttings to root.

Iím going to give it a little boost of light here soon and try to induce fruiting this spring.

Out of stock now, but a place to watch:

https://nurcar.com/products/fortunella-hindsii?variant=7145253077035

I got mine from here and it was a very healthy plant. Again just still waiting on fruit.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2021, 11:31:08 AM by franklazar26 »

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Hello, the description for the plant sounds like it is a Procimequat. I emailed the seller for clarification and they were borderline rude and defensive about the name not matching the description. So it doesn't sound like they know wether that is a Hindsii or the hybrid Procimequat. What does your fruit look like?

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Yeah I don't know what the Eustis parentage comment in the seller's description is about.  The picture looks right for Hong Kong kumquat. 

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Right? I was hesitant to order one based on the description but after the bizarre interaction with the seller I'm looking elsewhere. The Woodlanders page is definitely selling a Procimequat, so if that is their source for the plant material then they are not actually selling a hindsii which is inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst

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There is an exotic plant shop near me that sells them occasionally.  I will have to go check again and see.  I had bought two over the years and they always died on me.  And we can always hope that franklazar's produce seeds soon :)

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Hello, the description for the plant sounds like it is a Procimequat. I emailed the seller for clarification and they were borderline rude and defensive about the name not matching the description. So it doesn't sound like they know wether that is a Hindsii or the hybrid Procimequat. What does your fruit look like?

Looks like a HK to me! Tons of little fruits, crazy everywhere. Flowering again even... I will have seeds available soon. I'm thinking based on what it looks like, the plant and the dime sized fruits about to ripen, it is a Hong Kong kumquat. I could be mistaken anyways though.. I'll see if it has one or a few seeds once they ripen, that will be a final determining factor.



« Last Edit: August 11, 2021, 04:52:32 PM by franklazar26 »

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Found this on UCR: "The Hongkong wild kumquat fruits have only three or four segments. The ovaries of the procimequat hybrid under consideration usually show from four to five segments."

For fun I cut one open, seems to have 3 segments. My guess is it is indeed HK but I'll check again when fruits are ripe. Even if it is prociemquat, it's still a crazy cool hard to find hybrid, being a triploid that still gives seeds, however only producing nucellar seeds.




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Very cool thanks for the pictures!

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frank your photo looks like the hong kong kumquat plants I had before, I think you have the right one

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I do agree Brian, Iíll hopefully have seeds within a month or two!

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That's a nice lil crop coming in! keep us updated and I'm first in line for some of those seeds  ;D

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I counted around 40 fruits on the tree and about 50 more flowers coming! Started flowering and it doesnít quit!!

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Starting to ripen. Definitely is Hong Kong.. should have seeds soon.

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Go kinzu go! *Fingers crossed*

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looking good!

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If anyone is looking for P-quat, woodlanders just sent me a nice little tree with 1 fruit on it. They still have them and are shipping this month only.

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What is P-quat?

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Procimequat maybe?

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Yes, procimequat. I was lazy lol.

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Did you sample the fruit on either one (kinzu or p-quat lol)? How do they taste

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Neither, bud I've been told Procimequat is more lime like and actually had something to it, whereas Kinzu is basically just a seed or two with skin.

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If people want on the list, just to see how many seeds I have to divide, send me a pm. Being thereís a lot that want the seeds I ask for shipping costs! I will send whole fruits. I have roughly 30-50 fruits. Some ripened, some not fully yet.

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I eneded up buying the Hindsii from that nursey with the wrong description based on the pictures posted here. From that plant I rooted 2 cuttings successfully and grafted another cutting to poncirus. So I have 4 plants now lol. The plant wasn't cheap so I will probably put the 2 rooted cuttings on eBay or Etsy when they are bigger and keeping the original plant and the grafted cutting. I had 4 fruit set and some tiny flowers when the plant came but nothing to cross pollinate it with for hybridizing (how I would do this with such tiny flowers is another thing lol).   
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Post some pics! I purchased mine from nuncar and this is what I got haha. So mine came true. Mine was rather cheap from there, ran around $25.

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This is an older picture, the plant is in my grow tent now for the winter. I'll get some new ones next time I get in there:

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The fruit as of last week: (blotches on leaves is from spray of horticultural oil for spider mites)

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I had 4 fruit set and some tiny flowers when the plant came but nothing to cross pollinate it with for hybridizing (how I would do this with such tiny flowers is another thing lol).
If you do ever hybridize please keep us updated. I'm interested as the kinzu doesn't have many crosses compared to its other kumquat brethren.

 

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