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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: fruitlovers on March 25, 2013, 04:16:30 AM
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Which do you think better, Borneo Red or Excalibur Red? What are the differences between them? What is the difference in source of the two? Thanks,
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Which do you think better, Borneo Red or Excalibur Red? What are the differences between them? What is the difference in source of the two? Thanks,
What they sell in Thailand is it one of the two varieties you mentioned Oscar or a different one?
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Which do you think better, Borneo Red or Excalibur Red? What are the differences between them? What is the difference in source of the two? Thanks,
I don't think there is anyone who has tried both fruit besides the owner of Excalibur, Richard Wilson. Well, maybe some people have tried both before he named the Excalibur Red. He only named it and started propagating it last year. He was selling fruit from many of his seedling selections for years but just as 'Dang Suria' seedling and then after he really liked this one he named it. For that reason, I doubt anyone will be able to give you a proper comparison because no one would know if the fruit they ate was the Excalibur Red.
The Excalibur Red origin is as a seedling of the Dang Suria from Thailand I think. I have a history of most of the Excalibur fruit written down somewhere. I'll try and find it later.
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Are these RED really RED or just a darker orange ?
I am getting some red and latexless ones from India ....Oscar did you see / taste any of these when you were there ?
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Hmmmm.......now let's see......I am trying to predict which one of the Red Jacks Richard Wilson will say is better. In the running are the Borneo Red, introduced by Chris Rollins. Chris says its the best Jak he's ever had. That would be up against the Dang Suria group that Richard introduced from Thailand and made a seedling selection for propagation because he thought it was the best of the Dang Suria progeny. I know where I am putting my money. I haven't had either to give any personal opinion. My Borneo Red is blooming for the first time....but so far only male blooms. I do have one of Richard's Dang Suria seedlings. It has not grown very much for me in the years that it has been in the ground. In fairness, it is planted in an area of my yard that is renowned as a killing field for past jakfruit introductions (Ziman Pink, Bali Beauty, and Cochin). The area doesn't do much for mangoes either as I have a Langra Benarsi mango that seems to be in suspended animation also. Not sure what is going on. In any case, would love to try some of these Reds. Rob, BSBUllie, has threatened to bring some down later in the season. I know there are supposedly production issue with Borneo Red. Noel's friend George (in Coral Springs, FL) apparently has a productive (in some years at least ) tree. Let's see what this spring brings........maybe a loss of my Red Jakfruit tasting virginity? One can only hope.
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Hmmmm.......now let's see......I am trying to predict which one of the Red Jacks Richard Wilson will say is better. In the running are the Borneo Red, introduced by Chris Rollins. Chris says its the best Jak he's ever had. That would be up against the Dang Suria group that Richard introduced from Thailand and made a seedling selection for propagation because he thought it was the best of the Dang Suria progeny. I know where I am putting my money. I haven't had either to give any personal opinion. My Borneo Red is blooming for the first time....but so far only male blooms. I do have one of Richard's Dang Suria seedlings. It has not grown very much cor me in the years that it has been in the ground. In fairness, it is planted in an area of my yard that is renowned as a killing field for past jakfruit introductions (Ziman Pink, Bali Beauty, and Cochin). The area doesn't do much for mangoes either as I have a Langra Benarsi mango that seems to be in suspended animation also. Not sure what is going on. In any case, would love to try some of these Reds. Rob, BSBUllie, has threatened to bring some down later in the season. I know there are supposedly production issue with Borneo Red. Noel's friend George (in Coral Springs, FL) apparently has a productive (in some years at least ) tree. Let's see what this spring brings........maybe a loss of my Red Jakfruit tasting virginity? One can only hope.
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Hmmmm.......now let's see......I am trying to predict which one of the Red Jacks Richard Wilson will say is better. In the running are the Borneo Red, introduced by Chris Rollins. Chris says its the best Jak he's ever had. That would be up against the Dang Suria group that Richard introduced from Thailand and made a seedling selection for propagation because he thought it was the best of the Dang Suria progeny. I know where I am putting my money. I haven't had either to give any personal opinion. My Borneo Red is blooming for the first time....but so far only male blooms. I do have one of Richard's Dang Suria seedlings. It has not grown very much for me in the years that it has been in the ground. In fairness, it is planted in an area of my yard that is renowned as a killing field for past jakfruit introductions (Ziman Pink, Bali Beauty, and Cochin). The area doesn't do much for mangoes either as I have a Langra Benarsi mango that seems to be in suspended animation also. Not sure what is going on. In any case, would love to try some of these Reds. Rob, BSBUllie, has threatened to bring some down later in the season. I know there are supposedly production issue with Borneo Red. Noel's friend George (in Coral Springs, FL) apparently has a productive (in some years at least ) tree. Let's see what this spring brings........maybe a loss of my Red Jakfruit tasting virginity? One can only hope.
Harry
The Borneo Red at George's place has produced large crops for the last 3 years. They are superb fruit. Let's see if I can get one for a tasting sometime soon. The only knock on BR is that the edible pulp ratio is low compared to other Jaks and they seem to be more cold senstive than other Jaks
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I had a conversation with Richard Wilson last May about Jak fruit and he said that anyone looking for quality jakfruit in India was wasting their time. Vietnam was the place for jak. Could the Excalibur red be from there?
Peter
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I have tasted Dang Suria/Red Morning, Excalibur Red and Borneo Red. Whole tastes are very subjective, I am sure those have have tasted all three or any combination thereof, will give differing results. As for me, I prefer Excalibur Red and Dang Suria over Borneo Red. Now to be fair, I have only tasted one Borneo Red but the one I did taste lacked the depth of flavor. I have had a number of Excalibur Reds and Dang Suria and in my opinion, the taste/quality of the fruit can vary from fruit to fruit and year to year. Both the Ex Red and Dang Suria have a consistent juiciness (whereas I have had a number of jacks that have had decent flavor but a very dry texture). They both had a complex fruit quality to them, much different than the juicyfruit or tooti fruiti/banana flavor profile. Again, the Borneo Red lacked the depth to honestly give a good description. It had a very mild, "red jackfruit" flavor but very one tracked and the flavor dies off very fast. I will repeast myself, it was only one and just could have been a bad/off fruit.
Noel - If you can get me some "good" Borneo red to try, I will gladly reciprocate.
Oh, and to those who wonder, yes, the fruit IS Red.
Harry - barring a horrible season, I will be bringing you some red jack this season (though you will have to sacrifice a Sunday).
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Excalibut Red is a relatively new, exciting, jackfruit in the South Florida (U.S.A.) scene.
If someone has one with ripe fruit, how about throwing a daylight party on a Sunday at Miami's Tropical Park.
The exact time of day, when the Excalibur Red Jackfruit will be cut & cleaned, should be announced beforehand.
All interested members of the Tropicl Fruit Forum should be invited for a free look and tasting!
Members should bring their own drinks, chips & snacks though.
I wonder if something like this could actually happen?
Has it happened before?
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Are these RED really RED or just a darker orange ?
I am getting some red and latexless ones from India ....Oscar did you see / taste any of these when you were there ?
Hi Luc, the only reds i have seen have been in photos. They are really orangeish-red, not really red in my eyes. I see below Rob says they are really red. So where is the photo? I think some Thai vendors photo shop their photos to make them look red, when in fact they are dark orange. Yes there were some jacks in Goa (South India), but not reds. It wasn't prime season though when i was there.
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I had a conversation with Richard Wilson last May about Jak fruit and he said that anyone looking for quality jakfruit in India was wasting their time. Vietnam was the place for jak. Could the Excalibur red be from there?
Peter
I have a Vietnamese friend here growing and exporting Jacks , will ask if he brought the seeds from Vietnam . On the other hand starting from seeds is no guarantee of quality , I shopped several trees down because they were really bad , 60 to 70 cm fruit but baaad.....
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Excalibut Red is a relatively new, exciting, jackfruit in the South Florida (U.S.A.) scene.
If someone has one with ripe fruit, how about throwing a daylight party on a Sunday at Miami's Tropical Park.
The exact time of day, when the Excalibur Red Jackfruit will be cut & cleaned, should be announced beforehand.
All interested members of the Tropicl Fruit Forum should be invited for a free look and tasting!
Members should bring their own drinks, chips & snacks though.
I wonder if something like this could actually happen?
Has it happened before?
Too far south. Maybe in Central Broward. Who's bringing the goods?
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Excalibut Red is a relatively new, exciting, jackfruit in the South Florida (U.S.A.) scene.
If someone has one with ripe fruit, how about throwing a daylight party on a Sunday at Miami's Tropical Park.
The exact time of day, when the Excalibur Red Jackfruit will be cut & cleaned, should be announced beforehand.
All interested members of the Tropicl Fruit Forum should be invited for a free look and tasting!
Members should bring their own drinks, chips & snacks though.
I wonder if something like this could actually happen?
Has it happened before?
Too far south. Maybe in Central Broward. Who's bringing the goods?
Agreed...send me a reminder as we near jak harvest time...
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Bought,on Saturday, an entire bag of cleaned Excalibur Red Jackfruit . I must say that its one of the best which I have ever tasted. And what a beautiful fruit!
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/nsobgyn/temporary_zps594e75b3.jpg)
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Wow! Looks like guava shells. Whose got cream cheese?
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Wow, very pretty.
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Over a year ago, I ate pieces of several different red jackfruits at Excalibur, from the Red Morning / Dang Suriya group. They were all very good. I believe one is also named 'Cristela", after the long-time crew leader and sales lady there.
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I am glad Har mentioned Cristela, because I was going to ask. I bought a small, grafted Cristela that Richard highly recommended to me last summer. Has anyone but Har tasted it? It is supposed to be excellent, but because of the size of mine I don't expect to find out personally for another couple years.
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That fruit looks amazing. How much did they charge?
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I'm curious what they sell the fruit for too...
Are these RED really RED or just a darker orange ?
I am getting some red and latexless ones from India ....Oscar did you see / taste any of these when you were there ?
Ya where are the pics? I've never seen a truly red jackfruit or chempedok. Orange to a more bright or dark orange but not red like a pomegranate ...
I had a conversation with Richard Wilson last May about Jak fruit and he said that anyone looking for quality jakfruit in India was wasting their time. Vietnam was the place for jak. Could the Excalibur red be from there?
Peter
Some good malaysian and thai varieties have been introduced with success in hawaii. Regarding India, this is particularly true for Hawaiian growers from what I understand any cultivars from India don't produce good fruits here, the environment is so different .. Vietnam probably has many crunchy varieties , it seems Vietnamese much prefer crunchy types..yet I've seen they also like chempedok. I wonder if chempedok is at all found in Vietnam..I would think so
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Bought,on Saturday, an entire bag of cleaned Excalibur Red Jackfruit . I must say that its one of the best which I have ever tasted. And what a beautiful fruit!
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/nsobgyn/temporary_zps594e75b3.jpg)
Finally, a picture of the renowned 'Excalibur Red' jackfruit. That's fine looking jackfruit fruit flesh, it's not too soft or hard but just right. Also, very moist/juicy looking flesh with a nice reddish colored flesh, all quality characteristics. It looks like the fruit was expertly picked at the appropriate time; 'thanx' for the nice pic, I hope that more are coming.
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
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Great to see a picture of the fruit. The little red morning tree you helped me pick out last weekend sure has a nice structure and sure looks very nice planted in my backyard.
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
When did u partake of this? Thanks for the heads up! ::)
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I picked up a little 3G Excalibur Red this week!
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Problem is you have no reputation, have no idea what you are talking about and nobody would probably even care whst you do or say anyway. You continual dribble thst speed from your keyboard proves it.
You apparently cared enough to feel the need to personally insult me.
you baited it with the commentary specific to Rob and the nursery he represents. Stop acting like a child if you want people to stop treating you like one.
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why are you so butthurt about Excalibur?
Excalibur is the largest retail fruit tree nursery in the area; I see that Excalibur has the potential to be a much better nursery than it is. I have heard a lot of horror stories about Excalibur, but most people requested that I not repeat them.
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why are you so butthurt about Excalibur?
Excalibur is the largest retail fruit tree nursery in the area; I see that Excalibur has the potential to be a much better nursery than it is. I have heard a lot of horror stories about Excalibur, but most people requested that I not repeat them.
Once again propaganda...your sources? Horror stories about fruit trees? What did they do, come alive and eat people? We're lucky to have rare fruit nurseries to begin with! You are targeting a nursery to hurt it! Not only the nursery but the employees who bust their ass everyday in the hot sun while you sit back and make sly comments! But you have been growing fruit trees for about a year plus you keep throwing out Richard Campbell's like you all are best friends! Sheesh, give it a break! And, we don't need a list of every tree your growing every time you post. Please get over it or get off the forum, you bring nothing to it.
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Based on the selection process: Chris Rollins (head of the Fruit and Spice Park) went overseas, tried a bunch of different jacks, and brought over the best jack he found. Excalibur's owner planted a seedling and then declared the seedling was the best he ever had. I would go with the Borneo Red. I have a Borneo Red planted in ground; no fruit yet though.
I have four Jack seedlings planted: NS1, Golden Pillow, Then Varida, an unknown variety (Mai 1 cross with something). In a few years I will declare "Mr. Clean's Gold / Red Jackfruit" best I ever had. I also have grafted Borneo Red, Mai 2, J-31 and Bangkok Lemon.
The owner of Excalibur did not just plant a random seedling and declare it the best. He's traveled all over Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore and other Southeast Asian countries and has tried many different jackfruit and other tropical fruit. He got his red morning seeds from fruit he tried over seas that was a quality fruit with red flesh. That's the same way he got the seeds for his Bangkok Lemon and many other trees he grew here. He's grown hundreds of different jackfruit seedlings to select the varieties he has named. Please try to make informed posts instead of just posting rubbish.
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why are you so butthurt about Excalibur?
Excalibur is the largest retail fruit tree nursery in the area; I see that Excalibur has the potential to be a much better nursery than it is. I have heard a lot of horror stories about Excalibur, but most people requested that I not repeat them.
Once again propaganda...your sources? Horror stories about fruit trees? What did they do, come alive and eat people? We're lucky to have rare fruit nurseries to begin with! You are targeting a nursery to hurt it! Not only the nursery but the employees who bust their ass everyday in the hot sun while you sit back and make sly comments! But you have been growing fruit trees for about a year plus you keep throwing out Richard Campbell's like you all are best friends! Sheesh, give it a break! And, we don't need a list of every tree your growing every time you post. Please get over it or get off the forum, you bring nothing to it.
My friend was driving back from Miami and wanted to stop at a Nursery to compare against the west coast nurseries we have. I suggested Excalibur based off of its reputation and size and he said it was nearly an hour out of his way!!! For this egregious sin I think we should burn it to the ground. rabble rabble rabble.
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why are you so butthurt about Excalibur?
Excalibur is the largest retail fruit tree nursery in the area; I see that Excalibur has the potential to be a much better nursery than it is. I have heard a lot of horror stories about Excalibur, but most people requested that I not repeat them.
so you slander a reputable nursery based not on your own experiences, but on "others who shall not be named"? Sounds fair. Ill let people know not to go to your house because it smells like a burnt diaper, so and so told me not to reveal their identity, o yea and all of his 3g mango trees snapped in half from the bushels of fruit on them
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Ok guys, lets settle this like men no more forum bashing! After school we will meet in the park at 4:30 under the sycamore tree we will have Mike from BENDERS be the ref and have no holds bar fruit tree trivia it will be a 15 round fight 3 questions per round and may the best man win!
WHO WILL WIN THE HEAVYWEIGHT BELT?
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I'm making a special appearance cuz this thread is getting petty
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Getting back to the essentials of this thread: i'm still a bit confused about origin of these named varieties (Borneo Red and Excalibur Red). Are they all originally from seeds brought back from Thailand? And what is the difference, if any, between Excalibur Red and new name cropping up now: Morning Red?
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Richard Wilson/Excalibur is not responsible for naming of Borneo Red.
Excalibur Red is from a selection of growing and testing many many seeds from Thailand.
Red Morning is also from Thailand, known as Dang Suria (or Red Good Morning).
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Richard Wilson/Excalibur is not responsible for naming of Borneo Red.
Excalibur Red is from a selection of growing and testing many many seeds from Thailand.
Red Morning is also from Thailand, known as Dang Suria (or Red Good Morning).
Yeah, i know Borneo Red was named by Chris Rollins. Was just trying to figure out if all these came from seeds brought back or any are from scions of already existing cultivars in Thailand? OK, did not know Dang Suria is same as Red Morning. So i take it then from what you are saying that this is the only one of the 3 mentioned that was an already existing cultivar in Thailand? Was it brought back as scion wood, or was it also started from seed? thanks for info.
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To the best of my knowledge, Excalibur Red did not come frm o known named variety.
I will have to find out if Red Morning/Dang Suria was originally brought in as tree, scions, or seeds from a true fruit.
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Wow, those red Jak pictures sure look amazing! You guys are to be commended for doing a great job propagating quality red jackfruits, they sure are a thing of beauty.
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
Seņor Rob,
is it possible to buy seeds/scions? ::)
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What a great looking Jak. Proof that sometimes planting a seedling will produce an amazing fruit. I have a 15 ft tall Excalibur Red seedling planted. Hoping it produces something like that !
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
Wow look amazing! Thanks for sharing
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These jackfruits look amazing! The vibrant red color really screams the tropics. Wow, Florida nurseries always makes the best selections of tropical fruit, while California does citrus.
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
Ok Rob you just sold me on the red morning seedling, Borneo Red was Samurai this morning, geeze my Ghost Blade Kantana cut through it like butter, a worthless tree that have done nothing but produce inconsistent fruits in Parkland for me,. Some years fruit good target practice for 50/50 caliber other year good enough to send to family & friend. & yes it its aint so cold hardy in 2009- & 2010. You have that tasty red morning seedling like the one in the picture available? ;)
Yeah Mr. Clean I got problem with every nurseries in Florida misplacing label over the last 30 years growing everything under the sun. Hell I myself mislabel my own shit like shit which Willughbeia is that? I once bought a plant at Excalibur that was mis label & I end up buying a rare plant for 2/3 the price saving 300.00 bucks; actually I found out later Richard never intend to sell it to bad! I wish more Idiots work at Excalibur So a plant Gurus like me can take advantage of their misguided bargains.
I bought a nu thong & two petch pakchong atemoya. Two week later the leaves came out fully & I notice one of the petch was a nu thong, took it back & Rob cheerfully swap for petch patchong; what a great customer service. They even gave me a tour of the VIP Rare section which I note in my Head; next time Rob, Richard & His wife not there, I ask to see if there are idiots there selling me the rare stuff! Oh by the Way PIN mislabel my malay apple turn out it was a black pearl wax apple which is even better. So study your plant & be knowledgeable so you can take advantage of these nurseries like me! ;D
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
Seņor Rob,
is it possible to buy seeds/scions? ::)
Same question. 8)
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Coconut - What size are you looking for? I know we have grafted and possibly seedlings depending on the size. Will know more tomorrow. Either come up or PM me your contact info and I will let you know.
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
Damn that is a nice looking piece of fruit.
Which currently available Jak produces fruit most similar to this seedling? Excalibur Red or ? Does it have any seasonal tendency (early, late)...or is it highly variable by year?
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This is a 24 pound fruit from a red morning seedling. Cleaned was 8.5 - 9 pounds of edible flesh. Ta ste was outstanding and reiterates why I say that a good red fleshed jackfruit is better than a yellow fleshed.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/tm2kt9d43/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tm2kt9d43/)
wow...thanks for sharing the beautiful picture!
I still have yet to taste a red fleshed type.
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Still I think it's ok to call them reds. Frankie's Ng's Red on Oahu doesn't turn a true red either. More of an orange / pink.
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Still I think it's ok to call them reds. Frankie's Ng's Red on Oahu doesn't turn a true red either. More of an orange / pink.
Sorry to burst your Hawaiin bubble but the Red Morning, Excalibur Red and seedling of Red Morning posted on previous page are red, not orange. Are they fire engine red, no but that is not the only shade of red in the color chart. To see an orange jackfruit, a Mai 3, see JoeP450's avatar, link below. Don't forget, cameras or cell phone cameras, which are used in most instances, do not always depict accurate coloration.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104)
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Still I think it's ok to call them reds. Frankie's Ng's Red on Oahu doesn't turn a true red either. More of an orange / pink.
Sorry to burst your Hawaiin bubble but the Red Morning, Excalibur Red and seedling of Red Morning posted on previous page are red, not orange. Are they fire engine red, no but that is not the only shade of red in the color chart. To see an orange jackfruit, a Mai 3, see JoeP450's avatar, link below. Don't forget, cameras or cell phone cameras, which are used in most instances, do not always depict accurate coloration.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104)
Lol no offense taken or bubble bursted, I see the picture, it looks deep yellow, slightly light orange to me. I have tried jackfruits with the same color and it was quite good. Another variety worth mentioning is Zieman's pink, because it too doesn't always have a true pink color, sometimes more orange as well. And What about the picture of small cempedak in my avatar? Mike T said its orange too? but its surely not the same color as the one you are referring to as orange in the picture provided. With this said it doesnt really bother me one way or another, its just bickering over color, color doesn't necessarily mean great tasting.Ive had several varieties and the one that sticks out as the tastiest was a yellow fleshed Tong Pilod from Frankies.
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Still I think it's ok to call them reds. Frankie's Ng's Red on Oahu doesn't turn a true red either. More of an orange / pink.
Sorry to burst your Hawaiin bubble but the Red Morning, Excalibur Red and seedling of Red Morning posted on previous page are red, not orange. Are they fire engine red, no but that is not the only shade of red in the color chart. To see an orange jackfruit, a Mai 3, see JoeP450's avatar, link below. Don't forget, cameras or cell phone cameras, which are used in most instances, do not always depict accurate coloration.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=104)
Lol no offense taken or bubble bursted, I see the picture, it looks deep yellow, slightly light orange to me. I have tried jackfruits with the same color and it was quite good. Another variety worth mentioning is Zieman's pink, because it too doesn't always have a true pink color, sometimes more orange as well. And What about the picture of small cempedak in my avatar? Mike T said its orange too? but its surely not the same color as the one you are referring to as orange in the picture provided. With this said it doesnt really bother me one way or another, its just bickering over color, color doesn't necessarily mean great tasting.Ive had several varieties and the one that sticks out as the tastiest was a yellow fleshed Tong Pilod from Frankies.
Problem with the avatar pictures is that you can't click on them to see full size picture.
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Borneo Red doesn't get red anywhere. Chris Rollins, person who named it, must be a bit color blind? ;) Seriously, many color descripitons of fruits aren't exactly accurate. Like why are white jaboticabas really green colored? ???
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tasted Borneo Red at the fruit conference.
it was hands down one of the best jacks I've had...making the common ones taste like filth.
the only other jack I've had that I liked was "honey gold?"....it was super soft and sweet....much different than Borneo Red, but I really enjoy both.
I suppose the Red type of jacks don't get full coloration in FL...they fruit was orange.
Borneo Red doesn't get red anywhere. Chris Rollins, person who named it, must be a bit color blind? ;) Seriously, many color descripitons of fruits aren't exactly accurate. Like why are white jaboticabas really green colored? ???
And green mulberries a creamy beigy white...
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And if every one had to take color-perception tests, there would be a lot of surprised persons. I can see all the primary colors, so didn't think I had a problem, but a test showed me that I am unable to see some of the gradations within yellows, and within greens.
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We had load of threads here about red jacks and i have never ever seen a real red one. Red is for me firetruck red or ruby red, not orange or pink.
So i think this myth is busted, red jacks don't exist.
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To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
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To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
Yes and every year they find new pictures of the sasquatsch and the monster of logness.
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To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
Yes and every year they find new pictures of the sasquatsch and the monster of logness.
Dude, don't critcize when you are uneducated. As I have said, and I have seen, cut, eaten and sold MANY RED jackfruits. You dont have to believe it but dont come on here calling people liars. Joe is correct, as is Natalie and others in Florida who have seen it. Oh, l guess I should let you know, the red Jackfruit being grown at Excalibur came from Thailand. Guess you just dont have the right contacts.
Pics or it didn't happen.
This is red
(http://s17.postimg.cc/p3mozxjsr/red_durian.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p3mozxjsr/)
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To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
Yes and every year they find new pictures of the sasquatsch and the monster of logness.
Dude, don't critcize when you are uneducated. As I have said, and I have seen, cut, eaten and sold MANY RED jackfruits. You dont have to believe it but dont come on here calling people liars. Joe is correct, as is Natalie and others in Florida who have seen it. Oh, l guess I should let you know, the red Jackfruit being grown at Excalibur came from Thailand. Guess you just dont have the right contacts.
Pics or it didn't happen.
This is red
(http://s17.postimg.cc/p3mozxjsr/red_durian.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p3mozxjsr/)
Pictures already happened. You just didn't happen. ::) Rob posted one already, google it.
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To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
Yes and every year they find new pictures of the sasquatsch and the monster of logness.
Dude, don't critcize when you are uneducated. As I have said, and I have seen, cut, eaten and sold MANY RED jackfruits. You dont have to believe it but dont come on here calling people liars. Joe is correct, as is Natalie and others in Florida who have seen it. Oh, l guess I should let you know, the red Jackfruit being grown at Excalibur came from Thailand. Guess you just dont have the right contacts.
Pics or it didn't happen.
This is red
(http://s17.postimg.cc/p3mozxjsr/red_durian.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p3mozxjsr/)
Pictures already happened. You just didn't happen. ::) Rob posted one already, google it.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/mxwzj65q3/red_jack.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mxwzj65q3/)
So this is what you call red??
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this is ruby red
(http://s8.postimg.cc/9d1ph2k81/Ruby_Red_430038_i0.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9d1ph2k81/)
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this is ruby red
(http://s8.postimg.cc/9d1ph2k81/Ruby_Red_430038_i0.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9d1ph2k81/)
You are stubbornly stuck that there is only one red. You post many thing, many that are unbelievable with no pictures to back it up. I posted a picture and at least three members h ave seen it in person and can verify its color. Natalie has posted a picture showing and stating uts red. Joe has posted tgat h e saw red jackfruit. Are we all conspiring against you? Not exactly. Facts are facts, the jackfruit is red. Again, maybe you should get around your country more and/or make better contacts instead of incessive challanges behind a keyboard and monitor.
Neither myself nor other confirming member need to provide any further evidence. We have proven our posts as accurate. But, keep in mind, whats good for the goose is good for the gander so keep that in mind next time you post your unbelievable or questionable posts...
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this is ruby red
(http://s8.postimg.cc/9d1ph2k81/Ruby_Red_430038_i0.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9d1ph2k81/)
You are stubbornly stuck that there is only one red. You post many thing, many that are unbelievable with no pictures to back it up. I posted a picture and at least three members h ave seen it in person and can verify its color. Natalie has posted a picture showing and stating uts red. Joe has posted tgat h e saw red jackfruit. Are we all conspiring against you? Not exactly. Facts are facts, the jackfruit is red. Again, maybe you should get around your country more and/or make better contacts instead of incessive challanges behind a keyboard and monitor.
Neither myself nor other confirming member need to provide any further evidence. We have proven our posts as accurate. But, keep in mind, whats good for the goose is good for the gander so keep that in mind next time you post your unbelievable or questionable posts...
Right,
Dude, don't critcize when you are uneducated. As I have said, and I have seen, cut, eaten and sold MANY RED jackfruits. You dont have to believe it but dont come on here calling people liars. Joe is correct, as is Natalie and others in Florida who have seen it. Oh, l guess I should let you know, the red Jackfruit being grown at Excalibur came from Thailand. Guess you just dont have the right contacts.
I might be uneducated in your opinion but i know pretty well what ruby red is, as i showed you. Your jackfruit is not ruby red simple as that, no bs about that.
I have seen loads of ruby red jackfruits on pictures, those shops were selling the jackfruit tree's and had photoshopped the pic. You can go see them on chatuchak market in bangkok on wednesday. It is daeng suria and i also have bought and eaten that fruit from or-tor-kor fruitmarket in Bangkok. It was the same color as your jack which is not ruby red.
Also the taste of the daeng suria jack really disappointed me but that might be because it was not fully ripe as you won't expect on that quality fruitmarket. It is the best known fruitmarket from asia, google that.
For the rest i have no idea what unbelievable storys without pics you are talking bout but if you can name them i will still find pics for you. That mangosteen really is quiet something isn't it? I pray it really fruits soon and will start buying land in Florida ;D
One day i bought a red lobster durian in Singapore, it was yellow/orange. Not like that durianpic i posted above but light orange. It was an official red lobster durian.
Look if you americans call this as a red jackfruit then go ahead, they do the same in thailand but it is not ruby red. I would call it orange/red and if you think that's stubborn then i think thats bs.
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How many reds can you find?
https://www.google.com/search?q=color+wheel+red&client=ubuntu&hs=2R3&channel=fs&tbm=isch&imgil=tpXqwoEXEKvM6M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTPELsuiR20ncV19iSz99kCbsIVqxEGIjkYu6Qudm5A3HBuv-ad%253B2793%253B2389%253B1IQe-EWimmsUtM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcolorsynesthesia.wordpress.com%25252Fauthor%25252Fminjalcolor%25252Fpage%25252F3%25252F&source=iu&usg=__UOA_VZkqBjp-AyZNUEK93EGUYwU%3D&sa=X&ei=_RvFU4WYDIPE8gHP6ICgBA&ved=0CCEQ9QEwAA&biw=1215&bih=897#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=DRkkdxZLfelDzM%253A%3BG890beZ4soM6WM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F3.bp.blogspot.com%252F-sfQOtjchVLo%252FT53HcpS_saI%252FAAAAAAAAAc4%252FWAV_Y2dzj7E%252Fs1600%252Fred.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fsensiblenails.blogspot.com%252F2012%252F04%252Fnotes-color-wheel.html%3B534%3B281 (https://www.google.com/search?q=color+wheel+red&client=ubuntu&hs=2R3&channel=fs&tbm=isch&imgil=tpXqwoEXEKvM6M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTPELsuiR20ncV19iSz99kCbsIVqxEGIjkYu6Qudm5A3HBuv-ad%253B2793%253B2389%253B1IQe-EWimmsUtM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcolorsynesthesia.wordpress.com%25252Fauthor%25252Fminjalcolor%25252Fpage%25252F3%25252F&source=iu&usg=__UOA_VZkqBjp-AyZNUEK93EGUYwU%3D&sa=X&ei=_RvFU4WYDIPE8gHP6ICgBA&ved=0CCEQ9QEwAA&biw=1215&bih=897#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=DRkkdxZLfelDzM%253A%3BG890beZ4soM6WM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F3.bp.blogspot.com%252F-sfQOtjchVLo%252FT53HcpS_saI%252FAAAAAAAAAc4%252FWAV_Y2dzj7E%252Fs1600%252Fred.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fsensiblenails.blogspot.com%252F2012%252F04%252Fnotes-color-wheel.html%3B534%3B281)
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Rob,
I have a question, Does red jackfruit seedling come true to type (same fruit color as the mother tree) ?.
Thanks
Mohd
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Rob,
I have a question, Does red jackfruit seedling come true to type (same fruit color as the mother tree) ?.
Thanks
Mohd
Yes that's a good question, i had a grafted Suria daeng but after i ate that fruit i killed the tree. Yellow jacks taste much better.
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Hey Bangkok,
I can see your point to the extent that I cannot sway your opinion as I don't have an actual picture to prove what I saw, and you have every right to be be a skeptic on that basis.
Seriously though as soon as I do get a picture, you will be the first to be notified! ; )
I called Excalibur today, spoke to rob and he said there are some red morning ripening on their tree so with that I'm going to make a personal effort and call them every few days so I can get my hands on some, take the pictures and post on the forum. I havnt personally tried it yet and I definitely want to know for myself if it beats out Bangkok lemon and Mai 3 taste wise.
Will keep ya'll posted,
-joep450
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What is your freaking fascination wi f2f h g he color ruby red?
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Hey Bangkok,
I can see your point to the extent that I cannot sway your opinion as I don't have an actual picture to prove what I saw, and you have every right to be be a skeptic on that basis.
Seriously though as soon as I do get a picture, you will be the first to be notified! ; )
I called Excalibur today, spoke to rob and he said there are some red morning ripening on their tree so with that I'm going to make a personal effort and call them every few days so I can get my hands on some, take the pictures and post on the forum. I havnt personally tried it yet and I definitely want to know for myself if it beats out Bangkok lemon and Mai 3 taste wise.
Will keep ya'll posted,
-joep450
Hi Joe,
Well i decided to call this myth of the red jack closed because i have never seen one in 2-3 years reading this forum and searching the streets of bangkok. Red is not orange, simple as that.
If you have a really red one (and don't photoshop the pic) then of course we all want to see that. Also i m pretty sure people will buy it for the color only, my advise is to taste the fruit first before buying the tree.
Who cares if it is red or orange, the taste is what counts the most for me. Jackfruits (in Thailand) are really supernice fruits, on the same level as mangosteens for me. You have to eat them from a good seller who knows what he is doing. Good sellers have a bunch of jacks behind their stand so they can always serve a perfect ripe one. Also the good sellers have a queue waiting for them while the seller next to him might have nothing to do.
So i hope that highly educated fruittree salesman from Fairchild nursery's now knows what ruby red is. That was my point.
In Thailand there is no bangkok lemon jackfruit. Those names are made up in the US i guess so they can link themselves to Thailand. In bangkok we eat the yellow crunchy ones and some old people still prefer the orange sloppy ones but they are hard to find these days.
We eat Pet raa chaa jackfruit or thongprasert because that's what sold everywhere and very nice if you know where to buy them. Just look where it is busy, the same as finding good restaurants.
Hi bangkok, this isn't true necessarily about the names we have in the US,, while you may not have bangkok lemon, As i have mentioned in another thread we have Thong prassert in hawaii we also have Tong Pilod, and a Tong Tao we chao which is a semi dwarf tree with smaller fruits.., Basically if it already has a name and that is known to the collector he/she will most likely keep that name
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We had load of threads here about red jacks and i have never ever seen a real red one. Red is for me firetruck red or ruby red, not orange or pink.
So i think this myth is busted, red jacks don't exist.
To this day I still kick myself.... Last year I was at Excalibur and just by chance I opened the cooler and low and behold there was RED cleaned jackfruit ' pieces in a ziplock bag.....and I didn't even ask if it was for sale or I could try any, still regret that. But I have seen it, call it ruby red, fire truck red, or just red, it does exist, it wasn't pink and it wasn't orange like the mai 3 in my avatar.
-joep450
I just can't bring myself to believe that there are no 'red' jackfruits. I've come to the conclusion that there are 'reddish' jackfruits here in Florida, USA. The popularity of the jackfruit fruit is increasing everyday and I'm sure the ones with 'very red color' will soon appear at the forefront, front & center and in the middle of the spotlight.
That's a great and welcomed news/report by joep450, on the RED coloration descriptions that he's seen here in Florida: RED, ruby red, fire truck red or just red; thank you for not describing it as 'red rum' red.
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It has been years before this thread was created.
As for comparison through the years may differ since then.
I was wondering what are the updates of which red jak's are superior.
Thank u
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I guess no updates. :(
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If there are no updates or photos of the "RED" then what should be the conclusion "all who were arguing about red color are color blind"? :-)
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How is the production of Excalibur Reds
How many fruits on some of these trees is it still as good as you once thought?
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It is truly orange-red, I also just heard it from the horses mouth without even asking. King Richard, the owner of Excalibur. But who really cares, its close enough to red and if their described as red, which they are, and the taste is great, then the talk should finally end. At least I hope!
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Some are red, some are coral red and some a diluted coral red. Understand, nobody ever said "blood red". There are many different shades and tonea of red.
This jackfruit is a very deep coral red. In many cases with fruit pictures, the picture does not tell the story or really do it justice.
(https://s2.postimg.cc/nhf2nwsth/IMG_0563.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nhf2nwsth/)
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Yes, I see it as coral red! Ok, I will second the coral red. Rob you crack me up, you just don't give up.
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Looks way more red than orange. I'd refer to that as a red jackfruit... the whole thing about it needing to be "ruby" red or some dark red is silly.
I was told Richard (Excalibur) thought their 'Cristela' was a red jackfruit as well but it came out a yellow color this year and they liked the taste better. Rob do you know about the 'Cristela' changing to yellow thing? I don't care what color it is if it tastes good and produces.
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Surprised this is still being debated, can we just agree it's the most reddish jackfruit known?!?! 😂
-joep450
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I like the orange red color the best anyway, and do not think of it as more red than orange, hell no. A ruby red would not impress me nor do I find it appetizing. Just put up another post and get a vote on what color everyone thinks it is. Have multiple choice and give 4 selections.