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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia dulcis first taste
« on: May 03, 2024, 07:07:43 AM »
Purchased a box of these and arrived several days ago.  Seller said to wait until the fruit turned completely yellow...still has some green on the stem end.  Not really seeing any color change so far.  Tested on today.  More tart than sweet and flavor was lacking.  I see the potential, but this first one fell short.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang update
« on: April 29, 2024, 06:28:54 PM »
Ben...the marang was a seedling I grafted onto the jack.  I don't know anyone with fruiting marang here in Thailand.  Probably is somewhere, but not known to me.  So I worked with what I have!  LOL!  Should push faster on this huge jack though...if it continues to coexist. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Marang update
« on: April 29, 2024, 07:31:16 AM »
Update on my marang grafted onto jackfruit experiment.  The plan was to slowly start cutting the rootstock away from beneath the graft.  Well, back on April 14, on my second cut, I mistakenly cut all the way thru the rootstock.  By the next morning, all of the leaves had dried completely up.  I should have removed them all after severing the rootstock, but I thought it has had plenty of time to sync up...grafted on Jan 2.  After the discovery, I removed all of the leaves except for part of one at the top.  So the graft has been attached to the jackfruit only since April 14.  As of today, as you can see in the pic, the graft is pushing a nice new leaf from the tip.  I'm going to call that a positive sign.  Hopefully it will continue to push.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia dulcís varieties
« on: April 25, 2024, 08:56:49 PM »
I've got an order placed for some here in Thailand.  I've never tried them before. 

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Brian...yeah...moisture during the winter months is really bad.  The gas heaters are wonderful, but really cause a wet environment.  All of my trees were in ground, so cleaning the glass was a pain in the butt.  It was a circus show with me balancing on the ladder blasting away with a big power washer all the while trying not to strip the plants from the pressured water.

I forget the mfg of my two corner ceiling fans, but they lasted since 2006.  Not sure how they still operated.  Pretty much fell apart when I took them down for safety.  Had one ceiling fan that helped and relied on several floor, oscillating fans to move air and branches.

I always pined away about having a better growing zone to grow anything I wanted.  Now that I have it, it really isn't all as great as I hoped!  7 month complete drought periods with terribly high temps and even more terrible low humidity is challenging.  My trees in the greenhouse fared and looked better.  I do miss the greenhouse.  I had several specimens ready to fruit and I missed out.  Hopefully the new owners are following my directions!  LOL!

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Nicely done Brian.  Always nice to see someone succeeding with a greenhouse in a crappy climate!  The quail are a nice touch.  I liked the ceiling fans you picked out.  Are you having any issues with rust?  What about water deposits building up on the blades?  When mine got wet, the blades would throw that stuff onto the GH glass.  I like how you are utilizing every bit of space that you can by hanging stuff on the walls and ceiling.  I bet cleaning the poly panels is a lot of fun!  LOL!  I heard you mention scale.  That stuff is a pain when the plants are as packed in there as you have.  Greenhouses are fun, but a lot of work!

I spent a lot of time pruning my rollinia and cherimoya.  Lots of flowers on the rollinia, but just could never get it to set fruit.  Others told me that the trunk needed to be big around as a 2-liter pop bottle.  Mine was but still no fruit set.  It also had a lot of branches that just ended up dying off.  If I had not moved to Thailand, I would have given the tree one more year to produce then I would have tore it out.  Was just too big a pain.  Cherimoya was not much better.  Very huge and just grew uncontrollably.  I did get a few fruit each year, but really wasn't worth the effort and space it took up.

I also had a Gold Nugget jack.  Fruited once.  Tasted great, but we were not a fan of the soft flesh.  I cut it down and grafted a firmer fleshed variety onto it.  Your Luc's looks nice and healthy.  I think this is a very attractive garcinia.  This was one of my largest trees in the GH.  I'm convinced it was ready to start flowering the year after we moved.  Hey...that marang is getting big!  I love the shape and compactness.  I just grafted a scion onto a big jackfruit here and still waiting to see how that works out.

Great job man!  Keep up the fantastic work and make sure to give updates on that marang.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Langsat Questions
« on: April 21, 2024, 07:59:03 AM »
Even in a greenhouse, getting germination will be tough.  Tougher still is getting the trees thru the first year.  Chances are 0 to slim.  Then you have to get the tree to a decent grafting size.  If you reach this far, grafting will be even more difficult in your location.  I'm not trying to discourage you, far from it.  Everyone knows I tried growing all kinds of stuff in my greenhouse, but it's tough. 

If the trees ever make it thru the first several years, you will probably be okay in a container, but I would prepare for putting them in-ground inside your greenhouse.  Even if a graft is successful, it's still an incredibly long haul until fruit.  Oscar at Fruitlovers.com will have seeds and scions as well.  Any langsat seed will probably do if planning on grafting.  For scions, go for Longkong.  I wouldn't worry about trying to diversify seed choices and such.  Just concentrate on keeping what you get alive.  I would purchase lots of seeds.

The fruit is very very good.  Worth the expense, effort, and heartache?  To be honest...no.  There are folks with better environments that can't keep a seedling alive for longer than six months or so.  We all want to push the zone and it can be exciting to try.  Hope for the best, but prepare yourself for disappointment. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 20, 2024, 08:55:02 PM »
Mike...unless I read and understood the pub incorrectly, due to the complexity of understanding the genetics and that it didn't seem to be consistent, there was one section it discussed where other researchers believed climate/environment may have more to do with the differing plants/fruits rather than being a separate variety?  Or maybe I was skimming to much?  LOL!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 19, 2024, 08:25:14 AM »
Wisdom?  Hmmmmm...that would be a stretch!!  Lots of mistakes were made.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 19, 2024, 07:07:01 AM »
In the past, we've discussed possible varieties of mangosteen and what a pain figuring out the common and scientific names of all the others.  Confusing to say the least.  I bring this up due to someone from one of the Facebook groups in Australia recently inquiring as to why it is so difficult to get these names correct or why two garcinias may be called the same name.  I came across this recent publication, and while long and technical, I did find it interesting.  It discusses the origins of mangosteen and the few varieties that may be available.  I got the impression that there was one section that seemed to harbor some doubt on this, but maybe I understood it wrong.  It does open your eyes to the difficulty of identifying the genetics of the most popular garcinia.  Is it any wonder very little effort/expense has gone into the rest?  I thought Mike T at least would be interested in this. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10020034/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: April 02, 2024, 10:34:25 PM »
jungleyard...of course

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripped Off?
« on: April 01, 2024, 09:14:04 PM »
Agree with everyone that these are bud grafts.  They do the same here in Thailand with a lot of stuff.  More detailed pics all around the graft site is required.  It is very difficult to spot of well healed bud graft.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: April 01, 2024, 09:10:00 PM »
My first word was "yes".  LOL!  I'm in Bangkok area.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: March 31, 2024, 09:24:55 PM »
Yes.  Unfortunately, it looks like Lindsay's Thailand tour is filled up...not sure if she is having a second one or not.  You want to be in the Rayong/Chanthaburi provinces for the most fruit.  Will be plenty of streets and markets filled with fruit.  Durian Land is an interesting stop.  You can zip line thru their durian trees then stop in their little mountain-top restaurant for lunch and durian.  Lots of other durian cafes throughout as well.  Some will even let you wander thru their orchards.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 30, 2024, 06:07:34 AM »
Tough getting some of these rare artocarpus to germinate.  I've got two keledang that I'm tickled to have.  Willughbeia is even worse... then those that do germinate just don't want to survive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 29, 2024, 08:24:08 PM »
Mike....currently hoping to get seeds of this soon. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang on Jackfruit
« on: March 28, 2024, 03:14:35 AM »
Hey Peter...here is an excellent video of the method that I used.  As you will see in the video, the bark is much thicker than the scion, so he needs to put something on top of the scion in order to be able to anchor it down.  I've seen others just scrap away the surrounding bark until it is lower than the scion allowing the cord to anchor the scion. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPOVj_elNqA

Mike...yeah, there were a few articles covering jack on marang.  However, the successful takes were not that great.  I was hoping the jack would fruit on the other branches, but according to my mother-in-law, it rarely fruited and when it did, they didn't enjoy the fruit.  Was sold to her as Daeng Surya, but ended up being something else entirely.  This is why I was using this particular tree for my experiment.  Nothing to lose.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang on Jackfruit
« on: March 28, 2024, 01:12:07 AM »
I made a traditional approach graft cut into the scion...so the cambium would be present on both sides of the flat cut.  That surface was attached to the branch that had its cambium exposed when I removed the bark.  So yeah...there is definitely cambium to cambium contact.  The area on the tree branch is all cambium...so nothing to line up.  It's actually a very, nearly, fool-proof method.  Where you might get into trouble is attaching the scion to branch/trunk that is too small and the surface is more rounded/curved, than flat.  Then you may have trouble getting good contact with the cambium on the scion.  I've had this issue when trying this on mangoes.

As I first mentioned, I've seen papers where grafting jackfruit onto marang has been successful.  To me, it only makes sense that the reverse should be true as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang on Jackfruit
« on: March 27, 2024, 08:55:29 PM »
Growinginphoenix...I wish!  I'm in Thailand now.

Peter...I removed a square of bark only, leaving just cambium behind in that square.  I then made the cut to the scion.  With this method, there really is nothing to match up.  As long as the bark comes off nicely, should be good to go.  This method is used on large trees when grafting scions or approach grafting.  Most videos show guys just scraping away the bark with a large knife.  Having the bark peel away gave me better peace of mind.

The graft site is fused and already healing over well.  I'm now just waiting for the bark of the jack to further grow over the site.  The "graft" itself is successful, but keep in mind it is still attached to its own roots.  I'm hoping the amount of time I'm giving the graft helps with long term acceptance.  I think with this method of grafting...allowing the bark to overgrow the scion further cementing the graft, this prevents the scion breaking away during long-term incompatibility...the sucker is there to stay!  There are many variables involved with incompatibility and most are not observable to us.  Even very strong graft unions can fail months, even years, down the road.  One article I read said there are some signs such as pronounced bulge or a necrotic layer at graft site or suckers developing which indicates a poor vascular connection...this is more of a short-term compatibility issue.

Things will get interesting once I remove the roots.  If it's going to fail, I want it to fail right away.  No sense dragging out expectations!  LOL! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Marang on Jackfruit
« on: March 27, 2024, 12:18:39 AM »
I found several papers on grafting jackfruit onto marang, but none for marang onto jack.  There is a good probability of eventual failure, but it's a neat experiment for me in the meantime.

I approach grafted the marang onto the jack back on January 2.  As you can see, the graft is very secure and the bark is starting to close in on the graft site.  I'm being very patient/cautious.  I plan to leave the root ball attached until more of the graft is covered, then I will slowly cut away below the graft.

Today I removed the huge branch the graft is on.  Hopefully this will direct more energy into the graft.  I will remove the rest of the branches after this as well.  I want to keep them for now to support the whole tree.  The jackfruit itself is pretty much a dud and I would have removed it, but we'll see how this pans out.









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Now langsat in Seattle?!?!
« on: March 17, 2024, 07:34:04 AM »
This is very obviously a scam.  If you look at her Facebook profile, there are no posts, pictures, or anything. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 05, 2024, 06:03:37 AM »
Your pedalai is getting huge!  Looking good Warren!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Langsat Defoliation
« on: February 11, 2024, 07:02:58 AM »
I would leave the corky bark alone.  Most of the trees here in Thailand have that and I've not seen anyone bother with it.  Did you get a cold spike?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Basket shipping
« on: January 19, 2024, 07:30:31 PM »
I think it has more to do with the packages being transported and delivered by so many different vehicles from trucks to mopeds.  The delivery people here really hustle their asses off delivering packages, food, mail, and people.  So far...delivery has been much much faster than USPS could ever dream and I've not had anything damaged unless it was the seller's poor boxing...such as with fresh fruit.  But even trees coming in boxes have been packed and secured very well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Basket shipping
« on: January 19, 2024, 06:53:27 AM »
This is the ONLY way a new tree should be shipped in my opinion.  No boxes thrown on top to crush or snap the trunk of your new addition.  Not confined to a hot, dark box for days.  USPS and the rest back in the states would lose their shit over this!





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