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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time trying cherapu
« on: June 16, 2024, 01:49:17 AM »
Nail on the head Mike.  It's been very very dry and very very hot.  The worst is the very low humidity and that is the killer. 

As for the cherapu, I originally planned to plant all of them out in the yard, but now thinking I might just keep them in containers until they begin to bloom so I know what I'm dealing with.  The rubber trunks are very annoying.  They are at a stage where growth flushes are happening regularly to the tops just keep getting heavier and heavier.  They certainly do much better than pulasan.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time trying cherapu
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:20:22 PM »
Brandon...same here.  Hundreds of seeds straight from the fruit.  Put in 100% coco peat and under plastic.  3-5 came up within a few months.  Eight months later, that's still pretty much all that has come up.  A few started and died off.  Pretty sad result for the number of seeds I started.  I still have 7 trees ranging from 24" - 36".  The trunks still real rubbery, which is frustrating.  Won't support their own weight and I hate staking trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: American durian farmer in Thailand
« on: June 12, 2024, 11:12:53 PM »
It's been getting drier and drier here in Thailand.  They believe the trend will continue.  No shit here...I had better growing conditions in my damn greenhouse than I do here it seems.  My trees sure looked nicer and grew better.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: American durian farmer in Thailand
« on: June 11, 2024, 02:25:25 AM »
He said they do not use Aliette and would have to check on the bottle/package what exactly they do use.  As for Malaysia, I know that the dude at Faculty of Durian and shown many products on his Youtube channel.  The issue is that the products probably won't be offered outside of that country.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: American durian farmer in Thailand
« on: June 10, 2024, 06:19:25 PM »
Peter...I'm still waiting to hear back from him.  I know they use something, because no matter what precautions/preventions you use, it still raises its ugly head.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: American durian farmer in Thailand
« on: June 09, 2024, 02:23:17 AM »
Crap!!  Thanks for bringing up his Youtube channel.  I completely forgot about providing a link to it.  So here it is:  https://www.youtube.com/@TMDurianfarmer

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / American durian farmer in Thailand
« on: June 08, 2024, 09:14:31 PM »
Terry Mynhier is an American durian farmer way out in the boonies of Kanchanaburi province, Thailand.  Not an investor, but a get-your-hands-dirty, sweating-your-ass-off, working-all-day, farmer.  I've chatted often with Terry on Facebook for well over a year and finally got to meet him and see his farms for the first time.  He has run several successful businesses around the world, including real estate, so he has the mindset to make durian production successful as well.  He also has a Thai wife who grew up on a farm and this is the ace up his sleeve.  Terry did his durian research online.  He got out amongst the locals and learned all that he could about growing durian.  This included planting on mounds and double tree planting.  Double tree planting is not only insurance...in case one dies...but allows the trees to grow together and increase production.



Terry currently has three farms and only one of the farms has mature durian producing fruit.  Monthong is the main crop.  He has planted Chanee, Gan Yao, Kradum, Black Thorn, and Musang King.  What he found was Monthong is pretty much the only variety that will do well in his area.  Chanee does okay while the rest are a struggle to keep alive.  These are being replaced by Monthong as they die and are pulled out.  The Monthong just does much better in their drier climate.  The other consideration, and probably the most influential, is that the commercial market ONLY wants Monthong.

My buddy Tong Chom drove down to meet and join us.  This was also the first time that we meet in person.  It was great having him along and look forward to future fruit tours together.






All pics above are from the farm with the youngest trees.  Over 900 trees.  Terry has several water retention areas and I believe will be digging another pond soon.  He currently has three wells supplying them and the trees.  This year the heat and drought was just brutal and has been very hard on durian in particular.  Terry was giving his trees lots of water every single day and it certainly paid off.  The trees look great and the older ones produced tons of fruit.  Most farmers in the area did not water for one reason of another.  They lost many trees and those that survived failed to fruit.  The younger trees on this farm will be kept pruned to a height of no more than 6 meters.







The above pics are from the older farm with the mature and producing durians.  He also grows and markets mangosteen.  Other trees include some rambutan, pomelo, and a few others.  There were pickers dropping fruit to go to export or to local markets.  Still lots of fruit on the trees.



Most of the trees were very healthy and producing well.  But no matter how much prevention effort is expended, issues still pop up.  The tree in the pic was attacked by a boring insect that carries a deadly disease and infects the tree.  The bark around the entry area must be scraped away until clean, healthy bark is hit.  Then that brown splotch will be dug out, then the tree will be treated.  It is somewhat manageable at this stage.  However, if the disease hits the roots, then it is game over and nothing will stop the decline.



We spent the entire afternoon and well into the evening with Terry and his wife.  They were fantastic hosts and we ate our fill of mangosteens and durian.  The highlight was a Monthong/Gan Yao hybrid that was just out of this world.  So many flavors...bitter chocolate, coffee, caramel, citrus...and so smooth and creamy.  I recorded a wonderful interview with Terry, but unfortunately, my Iphone decided to somehow trash it altogether.

He has two full-time workers and will contract out to locals for larger projects, harvesting, and such.  I asked him about failures and/or unexpected challenges.  Planting varieties other than just Monthong was a failure on his part.  While these other varieties were planted in much lower numbers, he feels that he did not heed the local's advice as much as he should have.  So mistakes were made.  The heat and drought were bad enough to contend with, but the very low humidity really punched below the belt.  Constant watering during the drought is certainly necessary, but higher humidity will definitely give the trees a much better advantage to survive.  His concern is that this trend continues or gets worse as people predict.  He hopes it won't last indefinitely.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: bsf durian from thailand?
« on: June 05, 2024, 06:48:07 PM »
Ben hit the nail on the head for sure.  If you ask for tree-dropped fruit, most vendors look at you like you are from another planet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia dulcis first taste
« on: May 03, 2024, 07:07:43 AM »
Purchased a box of these and arrived several days ago.  Seller said to wait until the fruit turned completely yellow...still has some green on the stem end.  Not really seeing any color change so far.  Tested on today.  More tart than sweet and flavor was lacking.  I see the potential, but this first one fell short.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang update
« on: April 29, 2024, 06:28:54 PM »
Ben...the marang was a seedling I grafted onto the jack.  I don't know anyone with fruiting marang here in Thailand.  Probably is somewhere, but not known to me.  So I worked with what I have!  LOL!  Should push faster on this huge jack though...if it continues to coexist. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Marang update
« on: April 29, 2024, 07:31:16 AM »
Update on my marang grafted onto jackfruit experiment.  The plan was to slowly start cutting the rootstock away from beneath the graft.  Well, back on April 14, on my second cut, I mistakenly cut all the way thru the rootstock.  By the next morning, all of the leaves had dried completely up.  I should have removed them all after severing the rootstock, but I thought it has had plenty of time to sync up...grafted on Jan 2.  After the discovery, I removed all of the leaves except for part of one at the top.  So the graft has been attached to the jackfruit only since April 14.  As of today, as you can see in the pic, the graft is pushing a nice new leaf from the tip.  I'm going to call that a positive sign.  Hopefully it will continue to push.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia dulcís varieties
« on: April 25, 2024, 08:56:49 PM »
I've got an order placed for some here in Thailand.  I've never tried them before. 

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Brian...yeah...moisture during the winter months is really bad.  The gas heaters are wonderful, but really cause a wet environment.  All of my trees were in ground, so cleaning the glass was a pain in the butt.  It was a circus show with me balancing on the ladder blasting away with a big power washer all the while trying not to strip the plants from the pressured water.

I forget the mfg of my two corner ceiling fans, but they lasted since 2006.  Not sure how they still operated.  Pretty much fell apart when I took them down for safety.  Had one ceiling fan that helped and relied on several floor, oscillating fans to move air and branches.

I always pined away about having a better growing zone to grow anything I wanted.  Now that I have it, it really isn't all as great as I hoped!  7 month complete drought periods with terribly high temps and even more terrible low humidity is challenging.  My trees in the greenhouse fared and looked better.  I do miss the greenhouse.  I had several specimens ready to fruit and I missed out.  Hopefully the new owners are following my directions!  LOL!

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Nicely done Brian.  Always nice to see someone succeeding with a greenhouse in a crappy climate!  The quail are a nice touch.  I liked the ceiling fans you picked out.  Are you having any issues with rust?  What about water deposits building up on the blades?  When mine got wet, the blades would throw that stuff onto the GH glass.  I like how you are utilizing every bit of space that you can by hanging stuff on the walls and ceiling.  I bet cleaning the poly panels is a lot of fun!  LOL!  I heard you mention scale.  That stuff is a pain when the plants are as packed in there as you have.  Greenhouses are fun, but a lot of work!

I spent a lot of time pruning my rollinia and cherimoya.  Lots of flowers on the rollinia, but just could never get it to set fruit.  Others told me that the trunk needed to be big around as a 2-liter pop bottle.  Mine was but still no fruit set.  It also had a lot of branches that just ended up dying off.  If I had not moved to Thailand, I would have given the tree one more year to produce then I would have tore it out.  Was just too big a pain.  Cherimoya was not much better.  Very huge and just grew uncontrollably.  I did get a few fruit each year, but really wasn't worth the effort and space it took up.

I also had a Gold Nugget jack.  Fruited once.  Tasted great, but we were not a fan of the soft flesh.  I cut it down and grafted a firmer fleshed variety onto it.  Your Luc's looks nice and healthy.  I think this is a very attractive garcinia.  This was one of my largest trees in the GH.  I'm convinced it was ready to start flowering the year after we moved.  Hey...that marang is getting big!  I love the shape and compactness.  I just grafted a scion onto a big jackfruit here and still waiting to see how that works out.

Great job man!  Keep up the fantastic work and make sure to give updates on that marang.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Langsat Questions
« on: April 21, 2024, 07:59:03 AM »
Even in a greenhouse, getting germination will be tough.  Tougher still is getting the trees thru the first year.  Chances are 0 to slim.  Then you have to get the tree to a decent grafting size.  If you reach this far, grafting will be even more difficult in your location.  I'm not trying to discourage you, far from it.  Everyone knows I tried growing all kinds of stuff in my greenhouse, but it's tough. 

If the trees ever make it thru the first several years, you will probably be okay in a container, but I would prepare for putting them in-ground inside your greenhouse.  Even if a graft is successful, it's still an incredibly long haul until fruit.  Oscar at Fruitlovers.com will have seeds and scions as well.  Any langsat seed will probably do if planning on grafting.  For scions, go for Longkong.  I wouldn't worry about trying to diversify seed choices and such.  Just concentrate on keeping what you get alive.  I would purchase lots of seeds.

The fruit is very very good.  Worth the expense, effort, and heartache?  To be honest...no.  There are folks with better environments that can't keep a seedling alive for longer than six months or so.  We all want to push the zone and it can be exciting to try.  Hope for the best, but prepare yourself for disappointment. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 20, 2024, 08:55:02 PM »
Mike...unless I read and understood the pub incorrectly, due to the complexity of understanding the genetics and that it didn't seem to be consistent, there was one section it discussed where other researchers believed climate/environment may have more to do with the differing plants/fruits rather than being a separate variety?  Or maybe I was skimming to much?  LOL!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 19, 2024, 08:25:14 AM »
Wisdom?  Hmmmmm...that would be a stretch!!  Lots of mistakes were made.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Origin of cultivated mangosteen
« on: April 19, 2024, 07:07:01 AM »
In the past, we've discussed possible varieties of mangosteen and what a pain figuring out the common and scientific names of all the others.  Confusing to say the least.  I bring this up due to someone from one of the Facebook groups in Australia recently inquiring as to why it is so difficult to get these names correct or why two garcinias may be called the same name.  I came across this recent publication, and while long and technical, I did find it interesting.  It discusses the origins of mangosteen and the few varieties that may be available.  I got the impression that there was one section that seemed to harbor some doubt on this, but maybe I understood it wrong.  It does open your eyes to the difficulty of identifying the genetics of the most popular garcinia.  Is it any wonder very little effort/expense has gone into the rest?  I thought Mike T at least would be interested in this. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10020034/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: April 02, 2024, 10:34:25 PM »
jungleyard...of course

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripped Off?
« on: April 01, 2024, 09:14:04 PM »
Agree with everyone that these are bud grafts.  They do the same here in Thailand with a lot of stuff.  More detailed pics all around the graft site is required.  It is very difficult to spot of well healed bud graft.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: April 01, 2024, 09:10:00 PM »
My first word was "yes".  LOL!  I'm in Bangkok area.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is anyone here from Bangkok, Thailand?
« on: March 31, 2024, 09:24:55 PM »
Yes.  Unfortunately, it looks like Lindsay's Thailand tour is filled up...not sure if she is having a second one or not.  You want to be in the Rayong/Chanthaburi provinces for the most fruit.  Will be plenty of streets and markets filled with fruit.  Durian Land is an interesting stop.  You can zip line thru their durian trees then stop in their little mountain-top restaurant for lunch and durian.  Lots of other durian cafes throughout as well.  Some will even let you wander thru their orchards.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 30, 2024, 06:07:34 AM »
Tough getting some of these rare artocarpus to germinate.  I've got two keledang that I'm tickled to have.  Willughbeia is even worse... then those that do germinate just don't want to survive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 29, 2024, 08:24:08 PM »
Mike....currently hoping to get seeds of this soon. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marang on Jackfruit
« on: March 28, 2024, 03:14:35 AM »
Hey Peter...here is an excellent video of the method that I used.  As you will see in the video, the bark is much thicker than the scion, so he needs to put something on top of the scion in order to be able to anchor it down.  I've seen others just scrap away the surrounding bark until it is lower than the scion allowing the cord to anchor the scion. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPOVj_elNqA

Mike...yeah, there were a few articles covering jack on marang.  However, the successful takes were not that great.  I was hoping the jack would fruit on the other branches, but according to my mother-in-law, it rarely fruited and when it did, they didn't enjoy the fruit.  Was sold to her as Daeng Surya, but ended up being something else entirely.  This is why I was using this particular tree for my experiment.  Nothing to lose.

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