Thank you Rob and Waxy. When I bought it I thought it might be mid bonsai or maybe at one point they were training it as a bonsai. It seems like it's thicker than it should be for its height, compared to others I've seen, at least in my head. Also seems to grow more sideways rather than vertical, not sure how to better describe that. Perhaps it's a bonsai reject, which im more than happy to have. You guys would be blown away by the older Jabo bonsai's, and just some of his older Bonsai trees in general. I'll get pictures next time.