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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit cold harness
« on: January 21, 2025, 09:23:03 PM »
UGA Pink Frost Grapefruit if you can get it out of Georgia (not sure if it is really that hardy, just from reading)
otherwise Bloomsweet grapefruit is hardy as well, Madison has it

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Approach grafting sugar apple on cherimoya
« on: January 21, 2025, 03:02:12 PM »
Made a short video update for this approach graft if anyone is interested.
The cherimoya is currently active inside the grow tent and the graft is growing well.
Let me know what you think

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nDswTzidkIo

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold weather
« on: January 21, 2025, 12:24:00 PM »
the forecast just updated and is now at 8f for the low, i'm more concerned with the daily temp not going above freezing

the space heater in my small greenhouse has kept it above 30f so far which is fine for the hardy non-poncirus hybrids in the ground inside. the meyer lemon is the only one with leaf damage, due to being next to the leaky door and some cold air has made it inside.

in the spring i'll insulate it more. going to paint the roof too so that it doesnt get so hot inside, 114f this winter was the highest 🥵

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold weather
« on: January 21, 2025, 10:27:35 AM »
3f tomorrow morning, I'm probably going to lose feijoa, yuzu, us1284, and morton to the ground if I haven't already since we'll be below freezing for a few days. not interested in covering anything haha

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fukushu X PT seed
« on: January 12, 2025, 07:58:25 PM »
Thanks for the description of procimequat and further crosses Marcin!
It sounds like there isn't much of a huge benefit to using Hindsii, only that it is easier to find in the trade (and well it atleast ripens fruit very quickly lol)

"OP Nagami" is very hardy, VirginiaFruitGrower's surived 3f/-16c it is bigger than Hindsii, and tastes like Nagami so no off flavors and is also seedless... but I don't know if it produces viable pollen or if it will produce seeds when pollinated by anything.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Passiflora-quadrangularis Challenge"
« on: January 10, 2025, 03:52:25 PM »
Congrats! Hope mine will flower this summer. It's currently taking over my indoor grow tent!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fukushu X PT seed
« on: January 08, 2025, 03:09:45 PM »
Wow that is very hardy! I should have planted it in the greenhouse. The flavor of hindsii is herbal/carrot greens on the peel mixed with lemon from the inside of the fruit. It's strange. Have not tasted any of its hybrids like the procimequat, if anyone has does that flavor carry over?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fukushu X PT seed
« on: January 06, 2025, 04:16:32 PM »
Mine is on own root, but it only grows and flowers with the heat of summer. It blooms from July and into August. I've had it for 3 years now but it is finally suffering from root rot. If it survives I'm going to plant it in the ground inside my greenhouse. I've tried crosses with it as well but thus far no success.

Quote from: Till on January 06, 2025, 04:11:36 PM
I have long planed to make hybrids with Hong Kong Kumquat. But I did not manage to do it out of a simple reason: I did not get Hong Kong Kumquat to grow. First I grated it onto Poncirus. The graft took but the rootstock let the graft die later. Then I bought two Hong Kong Kumquats from Agrumi Lenzi. One looks like F. margarita - probably a hybrid of Hong Kong Kumquat. The other looked as it is supposed to be. But again it did not grow. I waited a whole year. Almost no growth. Perhaps one leaf. Then the rootstock got its own shoots and at the same time the Hong Kong Kumquat graft died. So Hong Kong Kumquat seems to grow thus slow that rootstocks count it as dead and reject it. I need it on its own roots but do not know from where to get it.

Has anybody of you significantly better experiences with Hong Kong Kumquat?

I have serious doubts that a plant that is thus slow growing is a reasonable crossing partner.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fukushu X PT seed
« on: December 29, 2024, 09:59:23 PM »
It's too bad that you lost one already. The sudden death I've seen in my Meiwa and Nagami. No root issues but the whole plants died starting from the top down.

If you have any interest in sharing some material to get another copy of your plants out there I could graft it on one of my larger outdoor poncirus or taitri in the spring which would also test hardiness in zone 7

Hopefully your taller plant will bloom soon, it might be intermediate in blooming time from the poncirus and kumquat. (My limequat from seed bloomed at 2 years but the parents are capable of flowering just as quickly from seed). Wishing you get some fruit soon to plant out the next generation which might be hardier.




 
Quote from: orangedays on December 29, 2024, 01:01:03 PM
Hello Marcin.  The fukushu crosses have grown very slowly compared to other crosses. One is about 6 feet, one died suddenly last summer and the other is brittle and although it grew many shoots, the shoots keeps breaking off (wind, little birds?). The plant is no more that two feet.   They may do better in different location.  They are in a dry location, too close to large trees. They have survived temperature as low as 11 F so fairly cold hardy.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Red pomelo, legit?
« on: December 29, 2024, 04:10:50 PM »
It's a real fruit, but no way of knowing if that particular seller is legit.
 
The pictures are not the sellers original plant, reverse image search and you'll see them on different websites.

I was in Ho Chi Minh City September 2023 and found a nursery that sold these red pommelo trees. I couldn't get them to sell me any seeds, didn't want to try to smuggle cuttings lol

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First fruit from potted Morton pollinated with Meyer
« on: December 24, 2024, 02:19:17 PM »
hope my poncirus+ will bloom in the spring as well and I can finally do some of my own crossing with it

I've tried p+ dried pollen on yuzu but had no clear success, though one seedling had a bifoliate leaf it never made any tri
unfortunately lost my potted Yuzu to root rot in the spring as well as my Xie Shan, I should have grafted both onto my greenhouse taitri
those crosses would approach 7b even 7a easily although would most likely produce a very small seedy fruit.

a poncirus+ x meyer citremon should be hardier than the citremon already in the trade (I don't think that one has any Meyer ancestry) someone in 8a said theirs was damaged in winter

Quote from: a_Vivaldi on December 23, 2024, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: vnomonee on December 23, 2024, 03:58:20 PM
yeah seems 7b is too generous

Agreed, though maybe possible if you got very lucky. An F2 from Meyer x Morton very much could though (Meyer as the mother).

Meyer x trifoliate would surely be hardy to 7b, or at least the majority of such seedlings would be I'd expect. If Poncirus Plus blooms for me this spring I'll be attempting that cross among a few others (among them Ichang Papeda x Poncirus Plus).

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First fruit from potted Morton pollinated with Meyer
« on: December 23, 2024, 03:58:20 PM »
yeah seems 7b is too generous

thanks for your experience regardling the seed, maybe i'll get lucky

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Cold Hardy Citrus / First fruit from potted Morton pollinated with Meyer
« on: December 23, 2024, 11:45:02 AM »
I thought this self pollinated but I checked my photos and turns out it's actually pollinated with Meyer lemon, also wrote "Meyer" on the adjacent leaf which had curled up and I didn't see the ink

The plant was suffering in the container so I planted it in the ground in my greenhouse. Thankfully it didn't drop the fruit, but the fruit is small.




lemon for size comparison



If there is a hybrid how hardy do you think it will be? Zone 7b?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Creating a new citrus chimera like Prague Citsuma
« on: December 18, 2024, 07:24:50 PM »
Yeah what Mulberry said. I only did 3 grafts, before I bled everywhere. I don't have the tools to do the "shoot tip" grafting nor the patience haha. I think that technique is better handled in a lab with the proper equipment and sterile environment. So this bud thing I did might be easier if you are more careful, definitely use bigger buds and keep it simple and only use 2 plants. 

My grafts around this time tend to rot/grow mold under the grafting tape inside my grow tent so we'll see if thats the case.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Creating a new citrus chimera like Prague Citsuma
« on: December 17, 2024, 04:09:38 PM »
Tried some bud grafts and aligning the best I could. Cut myself a few times. A home kitchen is probably not the best place for this.

This would probably work out better if there are buds already on the trunk of the rootstock (instead of using 3 plants like I did here, just use the scion bud and the rootstock that you want to attempt a chimera with)
and then you just add the half or 2/3 bud of the other plant to the cut half or 2/3 bud of the rootstock on the trunk and align the buds.

My sweet lime that I'm using as rootstock has several buds on the trunk which would make this much easier if I wanted to attempt to splice another bud next to it.
The two scions I used only had buds near the thorns so it was awkward to cut, I couldn't find buds on the trunks, and there are way too many thorns on my trees to attempt to cut any out lol.

Yuzu and taitri on rootstock (sweet lime)










Where the alignment isn't perfect, maybe callus will fill in and mix


Try this instead?



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Creating a new citrus chimera like Prague Citsuma
« on: December 15, 2024, 06:15:13 PM »
Hmm might give it a shot with taitri+yuzu since I have both. I'll graft the buds onto a potted sour orange 🤞🏻

Quote from: quinoah on December 14, 2024, 12:54:29 PM
there's a method of creating chimeras by grafting two split tip buds together. you slice the tip bud of each variety, the upper end of the slice has to be in the middle of the bud, the lower end does not have to be in the middle. about 1/3 of each bud is cut away. then graft the two sliced buds together, according to the author of my old plant book, in about 20-30% the newly formed shoot is a chimera. that rate is quite high I think.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sour Orange cold hardiness
« on: December 12, 2024, 03:42:16 PM »
In the next town there is a Hispanic grocery that carries sour oranges. People buy them for marinades like mentioned above. Not sure what variety but I made marmalade out of them, they are bitter but not unpleasantly so (well to me, I have a high tolerance lol). I also use the seeds for rootstock, don't think we have virus problems where I am.

I threw some seeds outside to see what will happen last winter/spring, the plants that grew out are so far are ok but they will probably die by the end of the winter.   



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Creating a new citrus chimera like Prague Citsuma
« on: December 10, 2024, 02:38:45 PM »
"+Citroponcirus `Hormish'" is another chimera, discovered in China, of ponkan mandarin and poncirus. Don't know the hardiness but I imagine it is



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ponciruslike fruit comparison
« on: December 09, 2024, 03:14:32 PM »
It is sticky with the resin like common poncirus as well and I think it tastes the same.  I don't mind the flavor so I am not the best judge of it. I am hoping to try Poncirus+ if my tree blooms next spring so I can finally compare.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ponciruslike fruit comparison
« on: December 09, 2024, 02:12:00 PM »
Precocious poncirus/FFT has multiple blooms for me. I even have fruit from summer blooms, they are smaller but have fully developed seeds. The greener fruit are from even later summer blooms so not fully ripe.










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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Creating a new citrus chimera like Prague Citsuma
« on: December 08, 2024, 02:28:57 PM »
mine is on a branch of taitri, it has outgrown the original plant by several feet in half the time "raregrowsNJ" on youtube have some videos showing it
which brings me to the thought, could a graft chimera be created using another chimera? chimera of a prague chimera from taitri or swingle graft ->?

Quote from: Newbgrower on December 07, 2024, 09:41:55 AM
Interesting, thanks for that information.

Also, did anyone try to graft their Prague Chimera on a vigerous rootstock like swingle?

I watched a youtube video yesterday with harvest on one of those prague chimera in zone 7, but he mentioned in the comment it grew for 8 years. (which i guess , most likely flying dragon rootstock.).

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: New Citrumelos: Bishop and Dingle
« on: December 08, 2024, 12:23:44 PM »
if it turns out to be polyploid it should be hardier than "regular" swingle  ;D

Quote from: Mulberry0126 on December 08, 2024, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: mikkel on December 08, 2024, 08:36:49 AM
Just a though could it be a polyploid Swingle and the European types as well? The similarity is striking, whether the relationship is excluded

That may be a possibility, especially considering the thick rinds and leaves, particularly on the European types. I'm not sure about the one we have here in the US, I'll have to examine it more as the grafts grow and maybe have it tested.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maracuja Doce Aka Passiflora Alata
« on: November 19, 2024, 05:34:28 PM »
Plant the seeds out, they should cross each other

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow dragonfruit from seed
« on: November 05, 2024, 06:57:58 PM »
the "ecuador palora" types with spines are self-fertile

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black necrosis on potted annonas leaves
« on: November 05, 2024, 06:01:55 PM »
Most of my potted cherimoya look like this. It's been dry without rain, did they get dry at all? I moved them inside now, new leaves will probably look normal.

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