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 I'm hostile to haters but still chill to Brad because he has bomb avocado shade grown or not.

Quote from: SanDiegoCherimoya on July 28, 2024, 10:24:14 PM

Then Hass has a weak growth pattern in Fallbrook

Quote from: spaugh on July 28, 2024, 10:09:55 PM

Sun burn issues is pretty low on the complaint list I have.  It usually just happens on trees that fruit a lot and branches sag horizontally.  Certain trees also have weaker growth pattern and are more prone. 

If you live on top of a mountain there is not shade trees to speak of.  Its all chapparal as far as the eye can see.  Theres not easy ways to shade trees here and really it is not necessary.  My trees are fine in full sun. 

My gripes with most of these varieties has nothing to do with how they perform in the sun. 

I do agree that a bit of shade would be nice.  Maybe some clouds and rain every now and then.  But that is just not how the summer is here. Its full sun every day and no clouds for months during summer. 

I did plant a lot of banana trees in between lychee trees to get them shade while getting established and that did work well.  It was a pain to remove the bananas when the time came though.  But that sort of thing does work.

Hass doesnt have a weak growth pattern but it does load up with fruit and can get sun damage.  Yes its a known problem.  You are right.  Not sure why you are so hostile.  Take a chill pill dude.   

Then Hass has a weak growth pattern in Fallbrook

Sun burn issues is pretty low on the complaint list I have.  It usually just happens on trees that fruit a lot and branches sag horizontally.  Certain trees also have weaker growth pattern and are more prone. 

If you live on top of a mountain there is not shade trees to speak of.  Its all chapparal as far as the eye can see.  Theres not easy ways to shade trees here and really it is not necessary.  My trees are fine in full sun. 

My gripes with most of these varieties has nothing to do with how they perform in the sun. 

I do agree that a bit of shade would be nice.  Maybe some clouds and rain every now and then.  But that is just not how the summer is here. Its full sun every day and no clouds for months during summer. 

I did plant a lot of banana trees in between lychee trees to get them shade while getting established and that did work well.  It was a pain to remove the bananas when the time came though.  But that sort of thing does work.

First of they get plenty of avos. Tree is 30 years old.

Second, Let's start a thread then on cherimoya leaves
burning and the varieties name

You can't punk me fool.

Krimes is a scammer for anyone listening. I walk around with Glock in De Luz. Come find me pussy.

Quote from: SanDiegoCherimoya on July 28, 2024, 08:32:27 PM

We're all good. I just have a way of saying things that beats it into your head. This is what we do here, share different perspectives from our own experiences.

I just moved a few avos getting too much sun. I take care of a yard in Pacific Beach. They have an avocado planted on the north east corner of the house that wraps around and only gets morning sun and glimpses of sunset on one side. They are horrible at properly watering. Tree looks great.

A tree "looking great" doesn't mean it will be highly productive later in life. I'd rather have trees in full sun where they'll do best even if they look trashy for awhile, or need their bark painted till they out grow it.

I have an in ground seedling in full blasting sun at 2200' and it looks mint even after all these weeks of 95-110f, in one of the sunniest parts of my yard. Another is planted in part shade, it's super floppy and the node spacing isn't right.

Brad is probably the forum's most accomplished avo grower in SoCal conditions. I'll follow what he says on what's a good eating avo, or if the cultivar is prone to burning or something.

So just a thought on experience with varieties that didn't perform well, tree gets burnt. Obviously you're trying to grow in a full sun setting.

I just visited a property in Fallbrook and all the grafted hass trees in full sun have bark burnt to shit. Then he has seedlings growing in part shade going gang busters. He asked me why I wanted to graft seedlings because his ungrafted seedlings are performing so much better. Didn't realize the impact of part shade had on the trees.

So when people talk trash about certain varieties burning too much, first consider that. Is it a part shade area or full sun. It's not the varieties problem it's your problem reading geological settings for that tree to be comfortable.

To deeper further my rant. I want to know who actually is considering support species for Avocado tree to be properly established. Clearly, most the input is from people copying heinous Mexican agriculture design that completely clears an area of natives before planting orchards. You drive through our stump groves and see the results.

I mean, I can't even believe I have to be the guy calling you fake mfers out about this. You're tree burned. Not the trees problem. It's you're dumbass design flaw.

Wanted me to pay cash for the tree. Failed to send money the day before the deal. Lame.

So it's one of the two more cold tolerant varieties observed to handle freezing temperatures in central Florida and still fruit.

I have a few planted out as well as some in a greenhouse. Both growing well.

From what Ive seen, they need some winter protection to get established.

I visited Bill's property today. His grafts are very clean on properly potted rootstock. It's not junk mulch potting mix. He does a better job at grafting than I do. You should see these healing unions. They're long on thick scions. He's not one to brag.

Anyone else have aliens visit their farms? What do you plant to keep them happy

That sounds about right. I don't unleash any valuable fruit tree into the wild until it filled out 5 gal.

3-7 gallon size is good for planting out. Our Annonas were much happier in ground than pots. Fortunately, we don't have gophers here in Florida.

Okay good to know. I find the white Sapote scene similar to the loquat. More often than not, you're getting a seedling of a seedling from the named variety. Home Depot here in SoCal tries to sell name variety White Sapote. They aren't grafted, just seedlings.

I can look at the fruit and tell you if it's high quality or junk genetics. Don't need names.

Pretty sure he already gave his answer. We are waiting for you to report back with results.

Mark, so if I have a large cherimoya tree that doesn't go into dormancy then would a grafted soursop survive in my area?
I have a seedling soursop (for 3yrs) and it keeps dying back every winter and then comes back about April, so can I graft it to my large cherimoya that never goes dormant, and would the soursop have a better chance of growing more than 3-4 ft each year before dying back to 1 ft?

I appreciate this info on gwen. I tried gem like we discussed and thought the same - filling the gaps between hass and reed. Apparently this is the better of the two.

Sure I have about 20 of thr Murashige on the tree.  Have not started picking yet.  It has a thick gritty peel from memory the fruit was decent.  I will get a better idea this year.

Today I had this Gwen.  Super good, I have to admit it is one of the best I have tried.  It fills the gap between Hass and Reed perfectly.  I would say Gwen is better than Nabal and Reed and as good if not better than Hass and it would be a tough choice between sharwil and Gwen.  The seasonal order for these goes sharwil, Hass, Nabal, Gwen, Reed.

Good luck. I take everyone's experience with a grain of salt. There are a lot of moving parts and farming can be nonlinear to human activities. It can be pretty tough sometimes to pinpoint where it went wrong. Everyone's geological setting is slightly different, which can cause varying results with rootstock-scion interactions. Apparently at Mark Lee's location, the scions can't survive past dormancy. It can't hurt to try. I've had canistel grafts not make it past winter dormancy either but the seedlings keep on trucking ..

Quote from: SanDiegoCherimoya on July 08, 2024, 10:32:34 PM

Thanks for the tip. I have a rollinia survivor over winter dormancy on atemoya rootstock.

Last year was fine.  I'll see this year.