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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: Today at 12:33:56 AM »
I noticed Psidium robustum has zero observations on iNaturalist. So seemingly quite a rare plant, if it is a valid species. Almost all of the info I can find is from Marcos in Argentina, or plants likely sourced from his seeds. Since mine showed no additional cold tolerance beyond yellow cattley guava, it makes me wonder. I did some searching, and my new theory is it is the Psidium cattleyanum 'Robusta' mentioned in the second link.

https://www-colecionandofrutas-com-br.translate.goog/psidiumrobustum.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

https://www-colecionandofrutas-com-br.translate.goog/psidiumcattleianum.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: some tiny beetles emerged from an imported eugenia seed
« on: March 22, 2025, 02:26:14 PM »
I received some seeds that USDA inspected. One had a hole in the seed, with a dead beetle in the bag. I left them on the counter, and another beetle emerged from another. Not Eugenia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 22, 2025, 02:22:26 PM »
Eugenia sp. 'Imposter sulcata', what I call these from Bellamy that he sold as unknowns from a batch that was supposed to be sulcata. Hard to tell if they hate the cold or love it.


Eugenia speciosa - maybe that sp. Fanta aff. speciosa that one collector was selling. Speciosa is said to be bad, but he claimed this find is good... Very similar looking to macrobractolata. I think i have two left of at least seven seeds. Lower survival rate than macrobractolata, and as noted above, sparser-leaved after the winter, though the leaves are greener. This is based on the 2 speciosa compared to around 9 macro/juba.


Eugenia beaurepairana


beaurep that was planted in June


Eugenia sp. Roja, sold as a live plant from Bellamy, said to be from near the Argentinian border within Brazil. Has kind of rounded involucrata-type leaves, which cup downward and tend to look chloritic. Not thinking this will be a winner.


Eugenia sp. CDQ, sprouted in the fall, just came out of the unheated greenhouse, acclimating to sun and will get planted out soon.


My surviving Eugenia sellowiana of at least a few more. I think I got a 10-pack of seeds from Anderson. No special care really. Mostly no water during the winter.



Eugenia coronata (the chocolate-flavored african one) made it through the frost under the protection of this pyriformis.


Eugenia aff. involucrata from Bahia. I left some out, and the cold killed them back to stems. Even in the unheated greenhouse they don't look great.


Left to right Eugenia verticillata, Plinia Grandiflora, Eugenia sp. de Goinia -- My guess is Eugenia dichroma --, Eugenia punicifolia


Two Eugenia verticillata and a Eugenia punicifolia (possible I'm misremembering this one)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 22, 2025, 01:50:31 PM »
E. tenuipedunculata - Planted 3 live plants from Bellamy in my front yard with no protection. No frost damage. Seems like it's an ornamental species from the Brazilian source video (Helton?) with the two trees.

Eugenia squamiflora - Supposed to be tough, living up to that reputation. No frost damage. From seed.

Eugenia macrobractolata (from Tradewinds) or sp. Pitanga Juba (from Anderson). I may have those backwards, but seems to be the same plant. Possible the same as speciosa/ sp. Fanta , but I could believe speciosa is a bit greener-leafed after the winter, but more deciduous.

Eugenia sp. Sweet Blackberry (some Colombian locality name too)

Eugenia sp. Murta Santa Catarina / aff. Ligustrina S.C. - six plants in back center. Dark green, thicker involucrata-type leaves.

Several Myrciaria pillosa:

Eugenia pisiformis

Left to right: Eugenia pisiformis, Eugenia campininha, some dying tropical plinia, labeled Grumichama peludo from Anderson, chloritic Grumchama gigante, Eugenia burkartiana, in back Eugenia aff. involucrata from Bahia, Grumi gigante, Eugenia luschnathiana

Eugenia anthrophaga and azeda area

Eugenia sp. Pitangao Amarella de Unicamp on left, Eugenia pulcherrima on right

Lost most of my Eugenia florida to frost, but a few under big trees survived



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: March 16, 2025, 04:43:04 PM »
Bottom right and one up one left, in center, are Psidium sp. 'Laranja'. Up two and over one right is a Psidium pohlanium, to the right of a Myrciaria pilosa. These two Psidium aren't distinguishable so far.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria torta cold tolerance?
« on: March 15, 2025, 06:23:46 PM »
I've mentioned these in comments on other Pouteria threads, but here are some pictures. I got these as Pouteria torta from Bellamy as live plants in October 2023, with these pictures: https://www.bellamytrees.com/sold-out-species/p/pouteria-torta?rq=pouteria%20torta I haven't tried exposing them to frost, but they don't seem to get as dejected from cold as my Pouteria viridis. There are three of them, and behind them with a single remaining leaf is a P. viridis. Most of my viridis are happier than that one, but also larger and older. While I had a thermometer in this greenhouse, the lowest I saw was 27 IIRC, but it may have gotten a bit colder later in the winter.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Has Anyone Tasted Eugenia Squamiflora?
« on: March 15, 2025, 04:09:22 PM »
How are yours doing?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: March 15, 2025, 04:01:02 PM »
Psidium robustum. Seems to have the same hardiness as lemon guava, which is not quite enough for me. 



I forget which of these is 'hybrid araza' and which is another of Marcos's arazas. I took photos of the labels somewhere. The hybrid is sold as guineense x grandifolium. edit: I think the first, redder one is the hybrid. Thanks to Giant Gecko for sending it to me!


P. guavaja 'guabaja roja'


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first fruit from Eugenia spp. "aff Arvensis"
« on: March 15, 2025, 11:24:23 AM »
Quote from: brian on March 15, 2025, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: NateTheGreat on March 14, 2025, 08:25:57 PM
I suggest you try ripening the fruit on the counter after they drop. I saw one fruit collector say E. patrisii needs to ripen another 2-3 weeks, as an example.

Do you mean pick them fully ripe (or very nearly so) and let them sit for a couple weeks?  Or pick them way unripe?

I just picked two ripe ones and set them on the counter.  I'll report in April
Yes, after picking fully ripe. Similar to medlar, but not as extreme. Thanks for trying it :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: another precocious Eugenia - sp. "Pitangão Amarelo da Unicamp"
« on: March 15, 2025, 09:52:26 AM »
How are these doing Brian? Could we see how the trees look?

I have three small ones, from plants from Bellamy in Feb 2024. They seem pretty delicate and slow-growing so far, not what I was expecting. I thought this was like the yellow-fruited uniflora species, but the plant seems quite different from uniflora.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Sect Racemosae that smells like cannabis
« on: March 15, 2025, 09:38:55 AM »
Any update on this plant?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Shipping Nightmares
« on: March 15, 2025, 08:36:20 AM »
Quote from: gnappi on March 14, 2025, 05:05:19 PM
I think the employees are DELIBERATELY "missending" to get overtime, spite the system, get a raise, justify their jobs or are just plain mean. Maybe all of them.

Quote from: CarolinaZone on March 15, 2025, 06:50:47 AM
USPS shipping is terrible. The employees are not competent and unaccountable because they are almost un-fireable. The tracking is inaccurate i.e. the arrival dates (delivery notices for items that HAVE NOT been delivered). Packages are not handled well. The service is over priced. Part of the issue is they have not modernized. Part of the issue is training. I do not advocate for privatizing the USPS the same way I do not advocate privatizing the police or the fire department. I do advocate them improving in all the areas that I stated.

I hope you both have your necessary services crumble on you. I know a former USPS who was fired years ago for failing to deliver spam mailers. These people have so much scrutiny and surveillance. Now morons like you are causing the government to be defunded. LMK if anyone else wants to voice agreement with them, nice to know who never to do business with. People being mass-fired and you want to pour fuel on the fire and complain.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: first fruit from Eugenia spp. "aff Arvensis"
« on: March 14, 2025, 08:25:57 PM »
I suggest you try ripening the fruit on the counter after they drop. I saw one fruit collector say E. patrisii needs to ripen another 2-3 weeks, as an example.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia sp "CDQ"
« on: March 14, 2025, 08:23:09 PM »


I think I'll just put them in the ground now and go for it. Never let them get root-bound. I'm hoping that one in back is crested. I planted these in April 2024, and they started coming up IIRC around November.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia sp "CDQ"
« on: March 14, 2025, 12:10:26 PM »
Has anyone tested these in frost? I have about five seedlings, thinking I should plant them out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mysterious Mulchi - Do you grow it?
« on: March 14, 2025, 12:35:38 AM »
Quote from: Rob From Sydney on March 09, 2025, 05:46:56 AM
This week, I have 2 shipments of seeds coming in (Lucky me! I haven't had one for more than half a year!), including about ~2 dozen kinds of seeds, including the Mysterious Mulchi.

There isn't much information out there on the Mulchi, and very few have fruited it.
Plinia Inflata is a very intriguing specie, and because of this seeds out very fast. When Bellamytrees of Anderson Tropicals get them in, they sellout sometimes within days. Anderson Tropicals has 4 left in stock, and after checking my emails they got them in a few days short a month ago. This might be the first time ever Mulchi have stayed in stock for over a month.

Do you grow Mulchi?
If you do, then I'd like to make this thread about your growing experiences. I doesn't matter if your seedling is half a decade old or half a month old, you've still learnt something, and it is worth sharing.
Here are some questions going through my mind that would be nice to answer:
How fast do they grow?
What is the best way to germinate them?
What do and don't they like? Direct sun? Humidity when young etc..?
Are they hardy or sensitive?
Are they attacked by pests and/or diseases?
Are they moisture loving?
Do they love fertiliser?
Do they like to flower before holding fruit?
Do they grow bushy or upright?
And lastly... Can they tolerate the cold???

Any experiences would be helpful, so please share them!
Thank you for your help!

I have a few from different sources. I had a lot of seeds rot in the pots. One was sold as sp. Shawi iirc, several as inflata, and also discussed here the similar P. clausa/Anihuayo I have a few of. The Shawi is fairly quick growing, fairly tough, as long as it's happy. Mine hasn't been happy for a while, died back and semi-dormant. Some of the inflata seedlings turned brown, but are resprouting from the stems. Some healthier ones that didn't have issues, but I think that one sp. Shawi seedling was stronger than the inflata batch. Idk if they're really different. The clausa are slower, and took a long time to come up. I'd guess around six months.

My impression is the shawi/inflata decline with insufficient light, but don't want full sun either. Mine have seen down to high 20s, but no frost. Some people on Facebook have big healthy ones, but I don't think I've seen any fruiting. If there are, it's in Australia.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Is Radiance Seeds Good?
« on: February 12, 2025, 10:03:23 PM »
Quote from: Flgarden on February 12, 2025, 09:12:00 PM
We have ordered some seeds a week ago and nothing yet. I messaged him to check if the business is active and no answer yet.
I should have checked first before ordering like i emailed Oscar from fruitlovers and never heard back. Some sites like ghost businesses. 
 
That's just how he is. Has stuff others don't have, but you might wait a month or two. Different story from fruitlovers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: February 12, 2025, 09:58:51 PM »
My Psidium nutans looks dead after mid to high 20s. P. guavaja and striatulum are partially defoliated, with some dieback. P. robustum is ugly and brown-leaved. Hybrid araza and araza 'banana'(?) look pretty good; some browning of leaf edges/margins. P. myrtoides is getting just as cold, but no frost, and looks fine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ideas for 10 acre orange grove in central florida?
« on: January 21, 2025, 09:22:36 AM »
Maybe you've been the prodigal son all along, Epiphyte. Going to Florida where the grass is greener. Always wanting to grow the fruits you can't. Rebelling against our systems of taxation, society, at FFF not being a federal agency. One day you'll return to California, grow some Mediterranean fruits, and start writing in paragraphs. And we'll embrace you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium guieneense on ground at Fullerton Arboretum
« on: January 17, 2025, 04:31:48 PM »
Quote from: greg_D on January 17, 2025, 03:30:45 PM
I found that it took pureeing the whole fruits, straining it, adding a bunch of sugar, and then significantly diluting the resulting mixture with water before I could really taste and appreciate the underlying flavors.
Did you taste different underlying flavors?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium guieneense on ground at Fullerton Arboretum
« on: January 17, 2025, 12:28:41 AM »
I had a yellow one with brown spots on the outside, so bordering on overripe. Smell is like cutting into a ripe strawberry, similar to feijoa. The pulp around the seeds is lemony, slightly gritty, somewhat sweet. The flavor is like lemon with some pineapple and I think passionfruit. Nearer the skin it is gritty, similar to feijoa, somewhat mild flavored, not sweet, still lemony. The skin is like lemon peel. Mouth-puckering, leaves my mouth feeling fresh like mint does. I tried eating a quarter fruit in one bite, but trying to chew up the skin while keeping the seeds separate as all that intense flavor kept coming was just too much.

Just eating out the pulp isn't great, because of all the seeds (about 40 in this fruit). In comparison the firmer layer is a nice change. I think the way I'd use these is halve the fruit, scoop out the seed balls, strain that to mix into a drink or dessert; scoop out the flesh to eat or use, and maybe process the skins. Not sure if those make my mouth hurt in a good way or a danger-indicating way.

It's like a lemon-head fejioa fruit with a ton of big hard seeds. I would definitely recommend growing a lemon over this. Mix some passion fruit in with the lemon juice for making your desserts. Ugly tree too IMO.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 🥭 (New seeds!) Pacurí, Guavirá Johvy, Capeba and othere rare species, pre sale!
« on: January 10, 2025, 12:45:13 PM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on January 08, 2025, 07:27:25 PM
New amazing variety

https://www.huertasurbanas.com/product/large-fruit-ubajay-pre-sale-eugenia-myrcianthes/
So this is from a different source as what you've sold previously?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: UF researchers exp breakthrough approach to combat devastating citrus greening
« on: January 09, 2025, 08:11:54 PM »
GMOs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba ID
« on: January 05, 2025, 11:27:38 PM »
Red, no they should not be separated.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why So Little Discussion About Soil Science on Here?
« on: January 03, 2025, 10:12:09 AM »
National interactive soil map:

https://casoilresource.lawr.ucdavis.edu/gmap/


Florida natural vegetation map:

https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00000505/00001/zoom/0

Florida soil maps:

https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00015353/00001/zoom/0

https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00015355/00001/zoom/0

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