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the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« on: November 16, 2024, 04:00:18 PM »
[procrastinate]somewhere else i replied to someone about how it would be beneficial if everyone put their heads together to compile a list of fruits that you should eat before you die.  then i said, whatever you do, don't mix up this list with the list of fruits that you eat and then die.  this came to mind when i saw this post on instragram by scott zona...

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These are fruits from one of the most toxic plants in the Caribbean: manchineel (Hippomane mancinella; #Euphorbiaceae). The fruits are sweet! There is a vivid 1st-hand account of eating a bit of the fruit and living to tell the tale: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25225353
What disperses it?
#dispersal #botany #fruit #poison

if you're a nerd like me, then you might want to graph this...

x-axis: delicious
y-axis: deadly

where would manchineel go on this graph?  (7, 8)?  out of all the fruits in the world, which would be closest to (10,10)? 

if there was a list of the most delicious and deadly fruits, i don't know if it would be more helpful than harmful.  seems like it could be helpful for someone like "all the fruit" who fearlessly tries all sorts of noid jungle fruits.  but then i imagine that some villain type of person might use the list for villainy.   

personally, at botanical gardens i often google to see if a fruit is edible or not.  one time i saw several trees covered in fruits that kinda looked like purple jamuns.  i picked one of the fruits, opened it and smelled it.  didn't smell bad.  then i looked it up whether it was edible and nope.  in fact, it said to avoid contact with the fruit!  hah.  wish that i could remember the name of the fruit. 

i'm pretty sure that all cactus and ficus are edible.  but one time i tried what i thought was a ripe fruit of rhodocactus grandifolius.  the seeds looked fully formed so i figured this meant that the fruit was ready to eat.  i took a small nibble and it tasted sour and bitter, so i didn't eat any more.  shortly after i really regretted my decision to taste the fruit as my throat became very uncomfortable for around an hour.  i found out the hard way that every rule has exceptions?  maybe the fruit wasn't actually ripe. 

most fruits don't want to be eaten before they are fully ripe.  persimmons come to mind.  but perhaps the best example is monstera deliciosa.  if you eat it before its fully ripe it's like eating fiberglass.  it's easy to tell when it's fully ripe though because the outter shell sloughs off.  the trick is that the fruit sequentially ripens.  when i put a fallen fruit in a brown paper bag that i crumpled closed for a couple days most of the fruit was ripe enough to eat at once.

perhaps ackee is a better example of a fruit that doesn't want to be eaten before it's ripe.

in most cases, when a fruit is delicious, there's competition to eat it before anyone else.  usually you're competing with the usual suspects like birds, possums, rats and squirrels.  it's a race to the bottom, of sorts.  or tragedy of the commons.  with this in mind, maybe unripe persimmons aren't astringent enough.  and for all we know thanks to the selection pressure of countless squirrels, perhaps persimmons are evolving unripe fruits that are more and more astringent.  clearly there's quite a bit of variation in the amount of astringency in unripe persimmons.  [/procrastinate]

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2024, 08:30:20 AM »
I don't have an answer to your question, but a toxic purple fruit that resembles jamun could be Atropa belladonna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropa_belladonna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropa_belladonna#/media/File:IMG_8023_Atropa_belladonna_L._Single_fruit.jpg

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2024, 08:59:23 PM »
Ackee is probobly closest to 10/10 in my opinion :D

Ackee,
Sapida bligh.
Delicious 10
Deadly 8

“ Although the intoxication is generally benign or has a favourable outcome, ingestion of large doses may lead to death: ackee fruit intoxication lead to 29 deaths in 1998 and more than 50 in 2001.”

Coconuts??
Delicious 10
Deadly 5

Durian??
Delicious 11
Deadly 3

Prickly pears??
Delicious 4
Deadly 2
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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2024, 01:29:53 PM »
Durian should top the list . You can die if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time and get conked in the dome from a falling durian. Could happen with coconuts too but I think it’s less likely even though they are more widely planted.
Ackee is just a major F up if you die because you eat it before it yawns. There are plenty of poisonous plants you shouldn’t eat, ackee does not fall in this category , it’s a staple food like cassava , it’s cut and dry how to harvest safely.

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2024, 01:58:03 PM »
Hard to say with coconuts, but I don't trust them. So, growing dwarf trees. Now, only my toes are at risk.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coconuts-kill-more-sharks/

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2024, 08:48:38 AM »
I believe Monstera delicosa falls into this list. You can only eat it when its ripe and the little hex chunks are popping off or it is poisonous from what I have read. Isnt elderberry poisonous unless you boil them first?

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2024, 09:52:57 AM »
I don't think monstera fruits could kill you. The unripe fruits have so much calcium oxalate that you spit it out. Feels like you are eating shards of glass.

I would add darned near all the solanums. Eat a few pounds of green tomatoes and you can die. Garden huckleberries, and most of those nightshades with small black fruits are poisonous green and/or raw.

Apples, peaches and kiwis are the fruits most likely to cause anaphylaxis in allergic individuals, and if we broaden the category we could include all the nuts. Of course, allergies don't apply to everyoone...

Fun game!

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2024, 08:50:07 AM »
Taxus baccata. Very tiny red fruits. The size of a small peanut. The red flesh is edible and very sweet. The seed inside is deadly poisonous. 4 seeds the size of grape seeds kills an adult.

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2024, 09:15:42 AM »
In the US we call it English yew.
All parts of yews are poisonous, yet people still plant them in their landscaping! Every year, a few dogs and many deer die from eating them. Stupid, stupid gardeners!

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2024, 05:40:36 PM »
I don't have an answer to your question, but a toxic purple fruit that resembles jamun could be Atropa belladonna

i just remembered that i could look up my google searches for the day i was at the huntington.  it was acokanthera oblongifolia.  in a more recent visit i saw a red fruit that looked delicious but when i searched it up, turns out it's poisonous... ochrosia elliptica. 

maybe someone should start a botanic garden and call it "the garden of forbidden fruit".  all the plants there would have fruit that looks tasty but it's poisonous. 

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2024, 09:22:12 PM »
Durian should top the list . You can die if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time and get conked in the dome from a falling durian. Could happen with coconuts too but I think it’s less likely even though they are more widely planted.
Ackee is just a major F up if you die because you eat it before it yawns. There are plenty of poisonous plants you shouldn’t eat, ackee does not fall in this category , it’s a staple food like cassava , it’s cut and dry how to harvest safely.

It's not just before it opens. The seeds are the most poisonous part and quite often there are small seeds hidden in the flesh of the ackee. I don't know how much seed one have to eat to get hypoglycemic.
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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2024, 09:23:22 PM »
I don't have an answer to your question, but a toxic purple fruit that resembles jamun could be Atropa belladonna

i just remembered that i could look up my google searches for the day i was at the huntington.  it was acokanthera oblongifolia.  in a more recent visit i saw a red fruit that looked delicious but when i searched it up, turns out it's poisonous... ochrosia elliptica. 

maybe someone should start a botanic garden and call it "the garden of forbidden fruit".  all the plants there would have fruit that looks tasty but it's poisonous.


Love that idea, 'The garden of forbidden fruit".
Might make a section like that haha
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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2024, 09:26:36 PM »
I don't think monstera fruits could kill you. The unripe fruits have so much calcium oxalate that you spit it out. Feels like you are eating shards of glass.

I would add darned near all the solanums. Eat a few pounds of green tomatoes and you can die. Garden huckleberries, and most of those nightshades with small black fruits are poisonous green and/or raw.

Apples, peaches and kiwis are the fruits most likely to cause anaphylaxis in allergic individuals, and if we broaden the category we could include all the nuts. Of course, allergies don't apply to everyoone...

Fun game!

Carolyn

I know of a woman who get bad anaphylaxis from mango, fruit and sap. Ripeness and variety does not matter, it's really bad. I only heard of this once.
She is a gardener so grew some mango on her own beaucse she tought maybe it was something growers where putting on the fruit.
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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2024, 09:28:52 PM »
Maybe there is a combination of two or more fruits that make a delicious combo while also being deadly at the same time.. Like a miracle berry with something deadly and sour.

I would like to see All the Fruits input into this, He got some videos where he tasted unkows fruits with some painfull results.
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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2024, 12:05:01 PM »
cassowary jogged my memory.  my local jamaican plant friend went back to jamaica to visit.  she started to become sensitive to the sun, where even a little direct sun would burn her skin. eventually she realized that her mistake was that she hadn't been peeling the mangoes with thin skin.  i guess this shouldn't be surprising since mangoes are in the same family as poison oak.  it's kinda fun to tease my friend about the time she became a vampire. 

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Re: the most delicious and deadly fruit?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2024, 03:13:11 PM »
Mango, the forbidden vampire fruit!
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