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  Not sure if the Zill variety  "Little Gem" is in Australia or Hawaii , but it seems virtually immune to local anthracnose strains in my location in SW Florida. This year it was very wet at my location during the beginning of Summer and the clusters of fruit that stayed wet for long periods had russeting.  It still held a normal crop and internal fruit quality was high despite some fruit becoming almost completely russeted. That would be bad in a commercial sense , but as a home fruit grower, I don't care what it looks like. Little Gem can have very pretty fruit most years here.

 Maha Chanok fruit stayed clean. I think that variety is from Thailand. An added bonus with Maha is that it often fruits offseason. Its normal season is June-July here but have had fruit in December, January,March, and April from my trees in addition to the main season. Almost every year I get some offseason fruit but the months vary.

As a side note, Florigon and Duncan trees both died of different fungal diseases twice in my yard.

I agree maha is excellent and great to hear about off season fruit as I also got first fruit in winter this year and also for nam doc mai both are flowering again so seems both will produce off season crops.  Havent heard of little gem here.

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Gone Troppo,
                    Of those that Steph mentions,we have Fairchild, M. casturi, and M.odorata. All over 35 years.  The kuini is the most disease resistant for us, completely clean fruit,bears well every couple of years, very pretty tree in flower, flowers v.well,with large panicles of red, scented flowers.  The casturi should be suitable for you, but it's out of its zone here. (1,000 metres altitude ) Grafted on indica, very healthy tree, but I haven't seen a single flower.   Fairchild is a small, healthy,dense
tree,and bears very clean fruit as well.   Articles on the internet will tell you that it is from Panama, but David Fairchild collected the seed from fruit he ate in Saigon, and sent them to the U.S. research station in Panama.  So it's a Vietnamese cultivar. We have four other Vietnamese cultivars. Fairchild is the most disease resisitant of them. The seeds of  Fairchild that I've opened were mainly mono,a couple were poly. Probably safer to graft it.    Kuini is poly.  I can send
seed of Kuini when it fruits next,or you can collect some scions of them if you're up this way sometime.  Fairchild has small fruit,but fibreless and well-flavoured. I like the kuini as well, but probably too strong-flavoured for some.

David thanks for the info, i dont think i will plant any of the mango related species at this stage takes up room of other stuff however looks like fairchild might be one to add to the list to track down thanks.

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Steph with 2800mm of rain already for the year so far (110 inches) I should probably give up on mango !!!! Ive never heard of those varieties you mention here.  Maybe they are in some obscure place certainly not mainstream.

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Fruit nerd my nam doc mai is loaded with flowers atm we have had 26mm of rain over last 3 days letís see if they all get anthracnose and fall off.  Maha also has flowers but not as many.

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Thanks for responses will have a look at duncan and sweet tart.  We have orange sherbert here lemon zest, sweet tart, coconut cream plus a fair few others from zills now.

So what do you guys think is the main driver of these diseases, is it high rainfall or high humidity or a combination of both?? I have been to florida around fort lauderdale however im not familiar with all areas mentioned. So being inland from the sea is worse for mango diseases ? Is this because of a lack of salt in the air ?

Would florida experiencing much more cold than my area make disease pressure worse than tropical areas? I know in my area Kensington pride are useless they produce almost no fruit and anything that does manage to grow is covered with black crap.

Unfortunately whilst australia is heavily involved in commercial mango growing and research its all done in very dry areas that are not applicable to my area so this site is more useful resource than the government reasearch done here.

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Damn I donít think we have any of these in Australia

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Can anyone confirm or advise on mango tree varieties that are the mos resistant to anthracnose?

I have read that Florigon is one of the best is this true ?

What about out of the fancy new Zill varieties such as Orange sherbert, sweet tart etc how do these fair ?

I have nam doc mai and maha and they both get anthracnose they still manage to set some fruit.  Looking for a few more.

Climate is average 3000mm rain a year (118inches) with wet years up 5000mm (196inches) high humidity and much more tropical than florida.

Can anyone advise thanks

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I'm sure durian is king for some people. But for most durian lovers it's an acquired taste, acquired in one's youth. To me it's not really a fruit. More like a cross between fruit, vegetable, meat, and cheese or whatever you might taste, smell, or feel. Nothing that smells that bad can be king outside of it's natural range where people grow up eating it. Face it durian lovers, your favorite fruit has serious issues for many people.

And based on my experience stone fruits beat mango. But at least mango is a real fruit that tastes like a fruit, can be delicious, and has no really offensive characteristics like durian. Mango is a mess to eat, has fiber, and is much more difficult to pick and ripen properly than stone fruit.

Going strictly on taste from what I've eaten it's the stone fruits I listed above. But hey this is difficult. I took me 35 years to figure out how to grow the best stone fruit.

Durian smell great to me nothing more exciting than the smell of ripe durian. Knowing Iím about to eat the best fruit in the world. Shame you canít grow it there in Texas.

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I will play, this needs to be in tiers for me.

Tier 1 : Durian

Tier 2: Mangosteen, Rambutan, duku langsat, Mango, Achacha, abiu

Tier 3: Sapodilla, sugar apples, citrus, rollinia, plus many others

Wow, Durian is in your top tier. I am not even thinking of tasting it ( I am obviously novice on this fruit.)
I haven't heard some of your fruits such as duku langsat, Achacha, abiu, rollinia.

Durian is considered the undisputed KING of fruits in SE asia which is the epicentre of diversity in tropical fruits, you wont find many in the US agreeing with this as it doesnt fruit on mainland US, once you get into true tropical regions durian is KING, some of the other ones i mentioned are also excellent again truly tropical so you wont find much discussion around these as this is a cont US based forum.

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I will play, this needs to be in tiers for me.

Tier 1 : Durian

Tier 2: Mangosteen, Rambutan, duku langsat, Mango, Achacha, abiu

Tier 3: Sapodilla, sugar apples, citrus, rollinia, plus many others

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mid winter Mahachanok
« on: August 15, 2023, 07:28:18 PM »
Hey man i hadnt pruned my nam doc mai for maybe a year, i only just pruned one stem back on the maha the other day after i took this fruit off as it was a bit long this was the first pruning the maha had.  The nam doc mai seems to be loaded with flowers again whilst still holding a fruit? and the maha also has flowers on it ?

Thats what i was asking here is this typical of these varieties I guess most of this forum is in florida so there climate doesn't apply to yours and mine, very hard to find any info locally about mango guess we will just trial and error.

No stem borer attack they onyl seem to attack my durian unfortunately.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mid winter Mahachanok
« on: August 14, 2023, 08:23:47 PM »
So I picked my first maha fruit off my tree 7/8/23 which is mid winter here in Australia. Tree is 19months in ground. I also have picked my first two nam doc mai mid winter. Can I expect to this to be regular thing or will they continue to produce most of the year? My nam doc mai seems to flower continually?

Most mango from colder drier areas in Australia are picked much later in the year.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: August 08, 2023, 06:39:13 PM »
Sounds like good conditions. Not too sure about the Daintree getting almost 4m by now!  Thatís kind of extreme, hope that doesnít happen here.
Our rainfall ranges from 2m-5.5m but averages more like 3.5 probably.
Peter

Peter yeh the daintree and other wet growing areas here such as tully and babinda get 6000 to almost 8000mm in a wet year probably too much really, however they average 4100-4600mm a year for over 100 years of recoding in some cases.  Houses and everything is constantly mouldy

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: August 07, 2023, 07:00:29 PM »
As fruit nerd said no need for watering around here, Iam at 2740mm for the year so far, a guy i know 10km away from me in the daintree is at 3900mm for the year already, he averages 4150mm a year.  Only one cold night at my place of 10.5C no leaf drop from this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 13, 2023, 07:12:42 PM »
Ohip yeh i have seen that guy before certainly interesting but like you say we are beggars here with durian and beggars cant be choosers basically take what you can get in terms of grafted trees.

Peter that's interesting and i will probably eventually replace poor trees with the varieties that seem to do better locally, there is a huge difference between good trees and poor trees even when only planted meters apart with the same amount of sun, water, fertiliser etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 13, 2023, 12:15:08 AM »
Gone Tropo made me curious so I just measured a few of my trees. P88 is about 253 cm high after 1 year in the ground. PK is 207cm high, I believe I planted it shortly after the P88. P88 is the highest but the PK has better developed laterals. Best seedling from the 2022 season is 177cm high (seed collected in late March, was an excellent fruit but variety/source is unknown).

Thats some great growth man you trees are very happy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 11, 2023, 08:34:00 PM »
Thatís great that you have a kradomthong that is growing so well. Thatís the first grafted durian that came into production for me. The fruit is good but also very important is the fact that it has proven itself to be very self fertile to the point of breaking branches it was so overloaded with fruit on a friends farm that had no other flowering durians anywhere nearby.
Peter

Thats great to hear Peter, yeh the big farm where i got this kradumthong from has similar experience to what you are saying, basically every year it is his most consistent reliable producer.  I will certainly be focusing on trying to graft this one when it gets older to get a at least one more in the yard.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 11, 2023, 07:11:26 PM »
Good to see Mike T come back from the dead.

My two oldest Durian just hit 2 years in the ground a few days ago, after 2 years the P88 (D178) measures 280cm high with trunk thickness of 53.78mm (measured 150mm above graft union), and my miserable PK planted at same time and same age measures 118cm and 29.03mm. 

There is a dark horse looming in the background though, my kradumthong which is only 1 year in ground is already rapidly outgrown the PK and is on track to overtake the P88 in a year or two if growth continues this one is a standout.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: May 29, 2023, 08:55:02 PM »
We had two mornings last year at my place in a row of 8.4 and 8.9c two of my durians dropped all of their leaves and are still only barely recovering almost a year later

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Black sapote trash if eaten off the tree. Needs cream or other additives. Any fruit that is no good to eat out of hand doesnít get planted at my place.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio macrantha and the Professor
« on: April 08, 2023, 03:22:58 PM »
Unfortunately many of these people no longer post, I have tried to revive a few old durian threads to follow up on progress to no avail.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Tree Leaves are whiltering.
« on: March 31, 2023, 03:08:32 PM »
Are you growing these in a greenhouse? If not there is almost zero chance of them
Surviving where you are

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian planting
« on: March 24, 2023, 05:22:27 AM »
Thanks for this mate how interesting I think Iím willing to give this a go the thais are always at the cutting edge with durian. Looks like they plant them 1.5 metres apart in the triangle!!!!

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This post was started almost 7 years ago, a few on this topic dont post here anymore. Would be great to see some updates on how this all went and where the trees are at now? Im sure some valuable information could be obtained from both hawaii and west africa.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: March 09, 2023, 02:39:41 AM »
Mick those things are a menace here as well I have had them dig a baby durian out of the ground. Dog now sorts them out

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