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Hi anything worth checking out ANY FRUITS in season ? (will be there anyways__)

Any other places  in homestead or Miami to see

I also enjoy tree's with other uses like tea's do they sell anything like that
I know your suppose to pick the fruit if fallen so I doubt if a tree has a use for tea of the leaves you couldn't pick that.

Is it big enough to not see all the tree's in one day I may go twice what's your opinion

I may  take photos but my camera I brought wit me  is not the best.

I could call but do you think I could leave my bag at the gate it is heavy , and I not sure if I want the same motel or stay extra in homestead.
I will call but anyone done that before?

yes taken straight out of a Script of Planet of the Apes
 Are we doomed to go back to our primitive ways?

Pictures are worth a 1000 words

A study of primate Self-medication

What is your thoughts Opinions

"UF/IFAS’s breeding program
 founded in the 1940s with the goal of developing varieties that could produce fruit in warmer environments. Most blueberry bushes thrive in northern climates with chilly winters, so creating new Florida-friendly, low-chill varieties requires crossing them with native Southern relatives of the bush"

“For some reason, one of these plants was making skatole, the molecule that gives poop its distinctive aroma, and putrescine,” she says, “which is a big part of what makes the characteristic petrifying flesh smell.”

I looked Skatole up, and in small amounts I suppose Some things have it that smell nice like Jasmine.

In may I bought 40 pounds to make  candied ginger in may
It was from China shipped to a Mexican grocery  store was cheaper in bulk after I asked

I never noticed any tinge of red , and cannot find anything online IS this normal to have a like dye on roots?
IS this something they spray to prevent it from sprouting while shipping

actually eating some now, and wanted to ask this for some time
should I just buy organic or is this Normal in the genetics or a safe chemical they spray on it to prevent ethylene build up or something.

I have the shipping box if that matters .

 -- I know I know A closet , but My friend I have been traveling with He is into plants a lot
I think buying some citrus or something He could put in his living room could be good
Could be by the windows, but I am looking for idea's when at night what could block the grow lights .

Could it be like a book shelf with a blanket over it ..

I am hoping some could show inspiration, and maybe I could ask, to see what he says
I feel bad but I think I need time in my life to myself
so I would like to do something he normally would not do on his own,
 and have it look nice (I know he doesn't mind anyways hahaha

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Anyone seen the Persimmon Pudding web site
« on: November 01, 2020, 11:18:47 AM »
A Interesting Cake could be made if your not a fan of persimmons that are mushy
I am sure you could even buy a boxed cake, and add them to it

I have not made the cake, but used them In a smoothie, tasted like Sherbert ice cream
and vinified  a wine from them, and aged the wine as well (own recipe)
I actually liked the wine I made with the spend left over fruit surprisingly

It was not much but even though it lacked flavor I liked the subtle flavor in that wine. 

I am not a huge fan of super sweet food,  but the vitamin A in this fruit makes you feel full,
and sometimes I crave it , I like how in a smoothie it cuts down the sweetness as well

Searching online , and hitting cach works as well
(weird I know, but I am reserving the second post for later want to explain using  this site better)
with some tricks I learned

Just type in the broken link

ib ib lio -- is also a collection of web sites as well.
Home to one of the largest “collections of collections” on the Internet,

Recipes / recipe books of Texas (Austin Chronicle ) , and links to buy
« on: October 09, 2020, 06:36:29 AM »
Found this Reading the other day searching the Austin Chronicle for persimmon (chapote)

The Texas Provincial Kitchen

Mesquite Country Tastes & Traditions From The Top Of Texas
$20 ($22 shipping)

Boardin' in the Thicket: Reminiscences and Recipes of Early Big Thicket Boarding Houses Paperback
Illustrated, May 1, 1998

Hi Was searching for A tropical grape family for someone, In the Pillipines, ( Ampelocissus (vitaceae family)
and found this today

I searched the latin name Vitis (quick search)
(Advanced search)

the grapes of New York
 the cultivation of Native Grape, and the manufacture of American Wines
The raisin Industry
II Vino undici conferenze fatte nell'inverno dell'anno 1880 (Italian) 
American Grape training
 (etc.) 2 others

I did find this recently looking at something,
and like the pictures on  The Emperor's Rout, by Unknown
 but have many other old resource books wrote as well
(like people that studied persimmons genectics from 100 years ago , but another site)

This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with
almost no restrictions whatsoever.  You may copy it, give it away or
re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included
with this eBook or online at broke link

LEt me know if you use it, and find what types of words are good to search
nothing came up for annonaceae ,
or the grape family vitaceae

What books or web sites could one read to learn about how to spot recessive genes in new hybrids
 genes in general back crossing .

I understand some of it, but it isn't From learning A guide A to Z that is what I am looking for
Sick of getting bits, and pieces here, and there.
IS there any good books I prefer books ?
as the PC is not easy on the eyes, but will gladly take web sites as well,
(and others would be interested as well down the line)

I mostly come here to read about the hybrids
seems like this board knows most about genetics
which most interest me here (recessive genes back crossing etc.)
may start to grow some just to learn
(I have grown flying dragon Pocirus trifoliate, and grocery store stuff for fun nothing special.)

I killed a lot of seeds as well by purpose when didn't want to deal with them
interesting seeing how long a bunch of lemon seeds can go without water
(or interesting seeing a Mistake (neglect vacation), and how some survive others stick in there in same pot.)

would like to learn the best organized way to take notes on that stuff as well
I should remind you this information might be used for other types of plants
(not nucellar seeds citrus etc., but am welcome to that as well as love all plants just do no have room for breeding citrus inside. )

Tropical Fruit Discussion / some Florida native pawpaw pictures (not mine)
« on: September 17, 2020, 07:29:01 AM »
Saw these today on this site thought it was a good selection of pictures to share.

I naturalist . org

These are good as well
 (as seen in the temperate discussion already posted Asiminaholics )

Encyclopedia of Life


first I have to ask I was told in order graft a wild pawpaw type
I have to find a good one fruiting put a  tag it,
and come back in spring when the sap isn't flowing to graft the new type?

IS that true ?
could I just clip the tree branch, now let it go dormant in the fridge, and graft in spring?

Seems like there have to be other techniques .
(I root cloned baby seedlings by breaking roots in half in humid zip lock bags)

Now for the below link If I can get a bud, and put it in some of that medium ,
and wait till after winter when the sap flows to graft (chip bud grafting or whatever with my alive bud)
that tissue culture seems complicated below , but walking all day carrying a heavy bag
 is not easy either just to have to go back, in the spring time , and get a dormant cutting...

I hope someone can explain the process easier
or know of a lab that can prepare it.


North American pawpaw [Asimina triloba (L.) Dunal] is a temperate climate member of the Annonaceae used as an ornamental and specialty tree fruit crop. Micropropagation could provide a clonal propagation method for plant production and contribute to germplasm preservation. A pawpaw culture was established that has produced shoot-bud clusters for over six years when maintained on a plant growth regulator (PGR) medium with BA (8.9 µM) + NAA (2.3 µM). Shoots on PGR medium failed to elongate beyond 2 cm compared to approximately 12% for shoots on PGR-free medium. Single shoot-buds subcultured three times to PGR-free medium continued to initiate between 5 to 7 shoot-buds per culture and shoot elongation remained at approximately 16%. This suggests that these pawpaw cultures had become habituated to autonomously produce shoots without cytokinin and auxin induction

I see Turkey stand preserve is just 12 miles south, but anyone know of any fruit tree's there
Is it worth a visit to go out of my way ,

IS there any thing in Florida worth going out of my way if I was on the west coast side?

as well as fruits I like native plants , and wild forging type foods
Any botanical garden places Nurseries etc.

As I do like gutars as well as thrift stores,
 and pawn shops where I can find some old guitars too.
Things usually fall into place for me (someone said I was a Empath)

Any thing like that
with Covid I Am not sure to ask about Dive bars, or Bars with rock music.
but I wouldn't mind seeing any hole in the wall type bars to take a break in If I decide to get a hotel.
Some place I can talk with the locals , and find out where things are play pool etc. .

why Florida people do not grow Rhubarb Take Rhizomes inside in fridge?
I know of some people that have completely Empty Fridges
or could fit in the Veggy Crisper

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hoping for Companies that sell wild foods.
« on: August 23, 2020, 09:10:49 AM »
Anyone know of any companies that sell stuff like this.
I like Ginger , and there is thousands of species
would be nice to have some samplings before I try to grow them out.

Same with things that can be kept small, and made into tea's
Just recent in winter Really got into Mexican Hawthorn ( Tejocotes)
Sugar brings out the taste (has a Vanilla taste to it).

Would love to try some of the wild forged stuff in Florida In the rose/apple family , and would pay
like Fire thorn  (Pyracantha ) In Southern USA .

I make wine so It would be nice to get some Annona Glabra to experiment (pond apple)
Some of the bad flavors turn out good after the molecules bind over time .

I am posting because I have a need , and I am sure some people may want to make money as well.
If I can find a plant that doesn't get to big, and make tea or even move it to
New orleans Where I can pick it when I visit I will be great full
 (I didn't learn any plants down that way except cats claw..)

I've been thinking that'd be nice to use some facial recognition to find wild type paw paws
Here I found it by accident . (not going to listen to the ted talk  , maybe I can get it converted to text.)

Copied from here

An airborne observatory which is revolutionising forest ecology has recently flown over some of the reserves protected by World Land Trust and local partner Fundación EcoMinga, and has the potential for helping conservationists discover new tree species.

The two-engine 20 passenger plane takes seconds to assess forests to a level of detail that would take researchers  lifetimes of fieldwork to collect. With millions of dollars of cutting-edge laser and spectrometer technology built into it, the Carnegie Aerial Observatory (CAO) can sample hundreds of thousands of hectares of forest per day. This data is cross-referenced with a digital catalogue of the chemical and optical properties of around 4,700 plant species in different conditions, which allows scientists to create a map of the forest’s condition.

The colours displayed in these maps represent several layers of information about each tree and its state of health, allowing scientists to judge the effects of events such as drought or disease as well as spot otherwise unnoticeable symptoms within unstudied regions of forest. In one case, aerial data of forested area in Hawaii revealed regions where the canopy showed unusually low levels of nitrogen, and led ecologists to discover that an invasive ginger plant was competing with native trees for nitrogen.

Tropical biologist and Principal Investigator at CAO Greg Asner brought the plane to Ecuador for a ten-day study of Amazonia. One of the CAO’s research flights crossed two kilometres through the area managed by EcoMinga, which will provide a wide, detailed insight into the structure and diversity of the forest.

Lou Jost, Co-founder of Fundación EcoMinga, said “I am really excited about the potential for this data. It would tell us the structure and diversity of the forest, and my biggest hope is that some of our most special trees, such as Magnolias, will have distinctive spectral fingerprints, so that we can find and map them. If the Magnolia genus has a distinctive fingerprint, we might be able to identify sites with Magnolias outside the elevation ranges of the known species, so we could use this data to discover new species of Magnolia.”

To learn more about the way the CAO uses spectrometers and high-powered lasers to map nature in meticulous kaleidoscopic 3D detail, see Greg Asner’s Ted Talk here.

"These are the days of lasers in the jungle" -- Paul Simon

Hi I am wondering if anyone has any experience with shipping large amounts of plants .

I do not have much experience with this, but I did try shipping a large item(s)
USPS before They wanted so much ,
 the only company I know that does it cheap only ships in the Midwest.

I have been browsing online but I hope some people have experience here .

Also Buying a tree.

Some Nurseries do not sell online
I've had Companies do that stuff for me , USPS wanted a ton of money though to package stuff.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Buying online with temp credit card
« on: August 17, 2020, 05:18:10 PM »
IS there a way to use a certain temp credit card

Site tells me they do not use those prepaid ones
(some sites need a area code (not on the card I bought) this site didn't but still didn't work)

IS there a type I can use that will work .

I play guitar, and couldn't buy a 1000 buck one for cheap.
(and others )

(one of my Credit card that was stolen never showed in the mail yet. )

I also want to buy seeds from here

Do not know how Paypal works. Anyone.

Please you could contact me direct , or delete this thread

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Chemistry, and the story of Rubber.
« on: August 11, 2020, 10:51:16 PM »
I was reading this last year, and think it is Interesting
If you read the first section go back to the main menu , and read the second.

Here is a preview


Our expedition starts here in Mexico. We're in Tenochtitlan, capital of the Aztec Empire. Someday the world will know it as Mexico City. The year is about 1500, or 7-Acatl on the Aztec calendar. We're here to watch a game called tlachtli.

Tlachtli is kind of like basketball. Games similar to basketball have been played all over Mesoamerica by peoples like the Aztec, the Maya, and the Olmec. The object of Tlachtli is to put a ball through a hoop made of stone at one end of a court. But unlike basketball, the players can't use their hands. Also unlike basketball, where the losing team gets nothing worse than trash-talk from the winners, the losers in this game of tlachtli are going to have their heads chopped off after the game. The players are prisoners of war, the enemies of the Aztecs who are hosting the game. The game is a ritual honoring Amapan and Uappatzin, the patron deities of the game of tlachtli, and honoring Huitzilopochtli, the Aztec god of war.

But we're not here because of the gory post-game celebrations. We're interested in the ball these folks are playing with. It's roughly the size of a bowling ball, and weighs about five pounds. (Getting it through the hoop without using the hands is so hard that the first team to score a goal wins.) What's special about this ball is that it is made of natural rubber.

Natural rubber is made by a number of plants which grow in warm climates. Of course, rubber balls aren't the only thing that the Aztec and other people of the Americas make from rubber. Rubber boots, raincoats of rubberized cotton cloth, and water bottles were all produced by the ingenuity of these people. Rubber was valuable enough in the world of ancient Mesoamerica that it was used to pay for goods and services in barter.

Rubber is one of the Americas' best-kept secrets. But the rest of the world will find out about rubber eventually. Back in 1492 Christopher Columbus made his first visit to the West Indies. When he came back in 1496, he visited the island of Hispaniola. There he saw people playing games with rubber balls and was amazed at how well the rubber game balls bounced.

Rubber goes on the back Burner

More newcomers will follow Columbus. As violent as the Aztecs seem to us today, what with their human sacrifice and all, they are going to meet an even more violent group of people. Following Columbus to the Americas were the Spanish conquistadors. A group of conquistadors led by Hernan Cortes will land in Mexico in 1519 and incite a revolt of the oppressed Aztec subjects destroying the Aztec Empire. The subjects would have been better off under their old masters as the Spanish kill or enslave thousands. But the people which survive the tragedy will introduced the Spanish to the many wonderful uses of rubber.

In Europe no one has ever seen anything like rubber, and people there will be full of questions about it, questions like...what is this stuff?

Personally I do not mind seeds,
 but looking through My emails for something else
 found this, and thought I'd share.

Termarina rossa Italian Seedless grape from 1840

Termarina rossa is a red Italian wine grape variety that is grown in the Emilia-Romagna region of northern Italy. The grape is unique among Vitis vinifera varieties in that it is naturally seedless. Historically Termarina rossa was grown in the provinces of Parma and Reggio Emilia for use in production of jams and saba, a sweet syrup, made from boiling the must but today it is used as a blending variety in some of Indicazione geografica tipica (IGT) wines of the area.[1]

Hi We have Lindera benzoin spicebush  it is like a spice like all spice
In the same family as Cinnamon laurel family

I am wondering about Pond berry L. melissifoilium 
though any uses , or anyone using these wild plants

I am mostly looking for   the L. Subcoriaceae it is rare , 
and would like to know if it has any uses it is going extinct ,
but would like to know if it is edible, and try it
if I can find it visiting or call A botanical garden or something
will try Fnps (florida Native plant society , but maybe one of you know.

I am not having much luck online.

I know L. benzoin (spice berry) can be aggressive )
When I do , a search here though no replies come back on lindera except mine
(Which I am surprised by this seeing how you people on here always surprise me with weird species )
I am hoping someone also uses wild plants like this (I am not lookin to buy it thinking of planting DOWN  IN NOLA)

Spice bush can take over , but it has a mulled wine like flavor
I've bought, and harvested  the seeds  , but had it in jam as well .
 (sorry My seeds are growing someplace with persimmons I hope
 I just do not know where, and they are for me anyways, but may share seeds in a few months)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Egg sized Mangos at Mexican market what for?
« on: August 04, 2020, 12:35:17 PM »
Egg sized Mangos at Mexican market what for? (I didn't buy any in a hurry)

I've read about unripe mango's for cooking is that what they are for.

Hi This is the Vegetable section ,  and tropical So all I can think of Is water melon comes from a tropical place

Anyways there are water melon you couldn't find anywhere else, and other vegetables .
Seeds of water melon can be roasted like Pumpkin seeds (for the really seedy types.)

 Tucson, Arizona

Tropical Fruit Online Library / Botany Dictionary
« on: October 16, 2019, 09:01:57 AM »
See Alphabetical Listing all the way to the right

For above can type
HOLD  CTRL button hold f,

type part word your looking up in find box

(mac uses Not the CTRL button , but command key instead. & hold f )

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