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Here is a link

Also if you want to make him jam with these I'd think to go to a wine making store,
and buy Malic acid it is in Granny smith apples, and a Tea spoon would cause the jam /jelly to have a sourer tang using that food acid.
(I'd think better matching the flavor, at least the types of wild Green Goose berries I ate )


https://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/cape_gooseberry.html

I wonder if he'd like tropical raspberries I never tried those, but If He ate Goose berries He might have had Northern Raspberries as well.

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Not gooseberries or related but I wonder how close cape goose berries taste to them (a type of ground cherry)
I see they were lasgt sold 2/13 2021 on here

I cannot find where to buy, but if you could maybe you could order some, and have him try they grow in Peru

https://www.specialtyproduce.com/produce/Cape_Gooseberries_9498.php#Restaurants

note the wild gooseberries I've had were sour green ones and tasted different then the ground cherries I've ate
but they both had that (barley )sweet & sour balance

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Edible "weeds"
« on: February 16, 2021, 07:50:02 AM »
See On invasive plant atlas Here is a good idea how Invasive (European) Garlic Mustard is
(I could pick these traveling through multiple state lines)

Root has a Horse radish like taste best I can describe it .

When I first started Learning of some wild edibles I tried learning of the invasive type since there is so many
Keep in mind not all Invasive plants are not non native some are Native.
 funny because even plenty of Government sites list native plants as a bad thing in multiple states to be removed.
(like wild native grapes for instance I've seen those cut away by forest preserves )

https://www.invasiveplantatlas.org/subject.html?sub=3005
https://www.invasiveplantatlas.org/herbs.cfm










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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Edible "weeds"
« on: February 16, 2021, 05:29:42 AM »


One of my favorite plants is garden plantain (no relation to musa...). The seed heads are delcious, and my baby parrots especially love them.  When I tried to identify it, I took it to a local garden store.  They just said "it is some broadleaf weed. You can kill it with this". They were very confused when I said I didn't want to kill it!

 Dandelions Forever!

Carolyn

Yes Broad leaf  Plantain a common yard weed throughout North America the leaves are also crushed ,
and used as drawing out poison like Mosquito bites even brown recluse (which I do not think I've had)
I had got a  bite in Texas it grew bigger until I put Crushed Plantain leaves on it
Different species of what we have here , but the leaves have a certain smell.

(Broad leaf plantain) Plantago Major IS metamucil (Narrow Leaf Plantain is P. Ovata is psyllium husks)

Some crush it in the field to apply some chew it up first
I like to freeze it since it breaks it down to apply doesn't leave a green color although can freeze dry
 not a bad idea to place in a glass jar for longer storage -
(although people also put in a crock pot with oil, and make a ointment (or add bee's wax as well)



I Know Plenty of web sites but  wildman Steve brill is another good one

https://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/plants
https://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/

Thistle is mentioned It is related to Asparagus
I like bull thistle before it becomes woody you can peal off the thorns, and eat it like celery
(I've read your suppose to cook it some places, but never bothered me

Burdock is good as well early Picking the roots , and eating them like carrots
although after the may here they get tough (the weather can get them tough a week or two early or later)

Rhubarb is in the Polygonaceae Family So is curly dock
The Leaves do have a sour taste you should not eat to much also can pick up nitrates from over fertalized soil
Calcium oxilates like found in kale in large amounts can be bad for you it is in those leaves,.

Got to go, but
around here we have a ton of Garlic Mustard Like covers everything (leaves like a garlic smell) root is spicy
Heard a great Ice cream Beleieve it or not can be made from my friend that ate some at a fair

also common is Dames rocket (related to arugula in mustard Family )
Creeping charlie grows in everyones yards reminds me of a herb for cooking (i've ate it )


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 05 superfoods 2018 in your kitchen P1
« on: February 16, 2021, 01:25:43 AM »
Always hear the same old thing with Herbals
Do not forget something like a Vasodilator
Vasodilation is the widening of blood vessels. It results from relaxation of smooth muscle cells

(or can help move oxygen in your veins As well as help the body absorb Nutrients

Aloe is one

Something like beets have nitric oxide Arugula has high amounts taking with aloe is goo.d

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this a pawpaw or American persimmon?
« on: February 16, 2021, 12:43:52 AM »
Pawpaw Keep in  mind The plant that actually looks similar to pawpaw is Buckeye
This is if your looking from a distance to find trees could throw you off.

(if link doesn't work) calphotos buckeye  aesculus glabra
https://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?where-lifeform=any&rel-taxon=contains&where-taxon=aesculus+glabra&rel-namesoup=matchphrase&where-namesoup=&rel-location=matchphrase&where-location=&rel-county=eq&where-county=any&rel-state=eq&where-state=any&rel-country=eq&where-country=any&where-collectn=any&rel-photographer=contains&where-photographer=&rel-kwid=equals&where-kwid=&max_rows=24

https://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0107+0005

like Asimina tracker said the leaves have a bell pepper odor
Can be tricky from a distance tree bark looks different as well
Of coarse pawpaw leaves are not opposite of each other like buckeye , but pawpaw leaves are alternating.

As far as Persimmon goes from a distance look for Alligator Bark

younger tree
(I noticed from a distance some trees I thought were persimmon
actually some type of hickory nut from a distance when I saw them on the forest floor )
https://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1016+0287






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Oh that sour  yellow fruit was Garcinia (spicata ) (according I believe to pictures I took_)

Roxburgh fig Ficus auriculata gathered dried fruits of that It may be mulch
but wondering if I can try the seeds of that for interesting house plants
Does anyone know if just putting the dried fruit in the soil will the dried seeds grow?

Tried it didn't really have a taste didn't see if it made tea or anything as fruits were in bag with other stuff (and not edible anymore )

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Thanks Epicatt2 Yeah I didn't go to Fairchild with the limited time I had there.
I searched quickly on a Glitchy motel computer, and didn't realize it was farther from Miami at the time.

Take the tour.
Andrew gives it at 10 or 11 am. He will tell you.
Not much this time of year some sapodillas and some persimmons and some bananas.
I should of got there earlier , but went for a  hour interesting plants tried some stuff , but none of those
Thought the orange Berries edited Glycosmis pentaphylla tasted like a pine resin taste interesting (lost seeds of that though),
 and the jujube which I've had, but these had a coconut flavor. and some mulberries and big yellow juicy sour fruit
had sapodillas on way back
(and bought some in Latin store in Little Havana in Miami not knowing what it was not yet ripe
but the spanish word looked came back as loquat
(which I know it was not since not in apple/rose family with dried star formation on bottom of fruit like apples have)

The pictures I have are not great but mostly pictures of tree identifying signs since didn't have much time.

Yes be ready to walk. You have to be very methodical. It is like a huge square. So it easy to miss trees. Still interesting to see at any time of the year.
Yeah was suppose to go back but decided to sleep in did not mind walking back to homestead so do not mind walking
(even though I could of called for a ride ) I like having time spent in open air listening to music to myself
ate some sapodillas ripe I found on way back.
Actually Most the pictures I took were the signs along Krome ave like the nursery businesses, and some smoothie  place.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just out of curiosity
« on: January 17, 2021, 11:40:28 PM »
some land you buy you have to have a agriculture  license to buy
some of the land is not expensive  at least when I looked out of curiosity
I guess unless the land had unknown leans

I know the cost of living for food is high but if you grew your own
I an not sure of the taxes  after building a house on the property  though .

Not sure if this is where you might find a agriculture license.
http://hdoa.hawaii.gov/forms/

what about just getting a small plot 1/2 acre

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Oh I might go to Fairchild botanical garden in Miami I forgot about that

I also might fly back from fort Lauderdale so anything worth looking at in these area's



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Hi anything worth checking out ANY FRUITS in season ? (will be there anyways__)

Any other places  in homestead or Miami to see

I also enjoy tree's with other uses like tea's do they sell anything like that
I know your suppose to pick the fruit if fallen so I doubt if a tree has a use for tea of the leaves you couldn't pick that.

Is it big enough to not see all the tree's in one day I may go twice what's your opinion

I may  take photos but my camera I brought wit me  is not the best.

I could call but do you think I could leave my bag at the gate it is heavy , and I not sure if I want the same motel or stay extra in homestead.
I will call but anyone done that before?

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hey At least I learned of A new Fruit I didn't see here always good to browse different sites
Wondered why I saved this link so importantly 15 years ago (see link Huffman Noted )

Anisophyllea boehmii
http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Anisophyllea+boehmii

Anisophyllea is a genus of plant in the family Anisophylleaceae.
 The generic name is from the Greek meaning "unequal leaf"

This is all scary seeing first primate on the moon was a monkey
yeah right like they being a test subject the Human race is too proud losing most  intuition of medicine .

Yeah ha ha this was just a joke I am not really scared of monkeys taking over the world No not at all
This was just a resource for people to look up different plants like fruits No No No
 No, way I think monkeys are flying in outer space or wrote curious George to distract Human youth.

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yes taken straight out of a Script of Planet of the Apes
 Are we doomed to go back to our primitive ways?

Pictures are worth a 1000 words


A study of primate Self-medication

















https://www.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/sections/social_systems_evolution/huffman/index.html


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Do you think it has more Citrus flavor (limonome ) when gathered that way early .
I only have book knowledge of growing it in cooler climates (not florida)

I'd buy some early stuff to try to candy it

Although I have grown it for my experiement for less boiling for candied ginger
didn't see results as so much other stuff going on, and it died or was misplaced .

I am out, and ready to get a box
think this time just no experiementing going to make it all at once (boiling twice 10 min to remove strong flavor)
I think letting it steep in water over night cuts on boiling time, and energy,
but funny b/c I had some not turn out right like medicine slightly ,
but after A month must of cured and flavors were not so eucaliptis cough drop like
 (which was just a hint, but there, but cured out()

Really want to buy Young stuff (please if you do let me know the age you believe it is.)




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With these papers in mind, I've been looking at the different genera which are closely related to Eriobotrya. The most closely related genera according to several papers are Rhaphiolepis, Heteromeles, Photinia and Stranvaesia.

I will have to look into the species you mentioned
So quickly reading a few seconds I see Photinia is close with the Aronia berry

When I have more time I will look into it I have the whole winter (that is If I source pollen)
but loquat with aronia that would be interesting wonder if Firethorn down south would cross.

If I did try I would dillute pollen with bread flour to extend it as only one pollen grain needs to make a seed and try different stuff.

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Great post Patanax

Do you think they could cross with a apple maybe even a hawthorn
(since pear pyrus and sorbus mountain ash (rowan berry) cross making a shipova maybe it is possible)

I am wanting loquat pollen as they are flowering now
I would pay Cash ?

I know they saw copper tone is a ornamental most likely but what do those berries taste like I wonder
I do not listen to what is edible online (as loquats are listed in peoples opinions as not edible online)

I will be going to Raleigh North Carolina in a week anyone know of a tree nearby let me know.

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What is your thoughts Opinions
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-does-fruit-breeding-work


"UF/IFAS’s breeding program
 founded in the 1940s with the goal of developing varieties that could produce fruit in warmer environments. Most blueberry bushes thrive in northern climates with chilly winters, so creating new Florida-friendly, low-chill varieties requires crossing them with native Southern relatives of the bush"

https://programs.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-breeding/

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“For some reason, one of these plants was making skatole, the molecule that gives poop its distinctive aroma, and putrescine,” she says, “which is a big part of what makes the characteristic petrifying flesh smell.”

I looked Skatole up, and in small amounts I suppose Some things have it that smell nice like Jasmine.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most worthwhile subtropical fruits to grow?
« on: December 07, 2020, 11:08:03 PM »
Looking at Greenman62 posts he is Close by New Orleans He mentions Star fruit or also known as carambola
It is in the oxalidaceae Family so it does have oxalic acid like Rhubarb (in the knot weed family) ,
 and should not be ate in large amounts at one sitting
I am not sure on that fruit , but reading here looks like if fully ripe not as bad .

Greenman62 profile http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1113

Also have recently saw a Southern Fruit club
Might not be best that far south , but I am not certain
(edit posted quickly, but I do see It was held in South Carolina ,
 but saw events in FLorida as well so see Events not certain how often though.


https://crfg.org/?s=carambola

Southern fruit fellowship
https://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/gallery/

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Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.



I have not tried this yet, but have set even a wet cucumber to dry in oven takes about 8 hours for a wet cucumber, but they have less water
Not sure if the latex will do something ,
( but I am getting at better to dry, and store out side in cold for cold stratification dry maybe reason to break open to extract seeds or plant whole dry fruit)

I will see so report back (hopefully)

Since I am doing 10 different ones, some I am doing different So
Also setting in freezer I find good to take out after set in water that really gets them soft
No need to smash frozen  like I mentioned to bruise them, but if you have kids I don't fun to see who could bounce the highest
(note my water I used to soak had ice from outside pot do not know if that matters, and olive oil residue )

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Sorry for all the editing, do not want to rewrite this post, and need to do some important thing tomorrow early, and sleepy)

Wow looks like I extracted latex (for bubble gum now I need to dry it, and see if it is still the texture of pine sap)

Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.
or if you do not want to dry in oven first (let rot outside, dry in sun)

The fruit I had dried whole out side sprouted fine
I did leave seeds out, whole fruit (edit that rotted) I think after (that) you should dry fruit (in sun pressing into flat disks)

those I did grew ,
 but I cannot give a 100 percent positivity that soaking fruit to extract seeds is bad after they have rotted storing outside
since a mouse ate a gallon zip lock bag full, and I thought at least a few seeds would be left behind, but mine didn't sprout either.

Setting outside to rot, and drying fruit did grow for me
they were hard, and flat(ish) like pancakes so for that reason I am positive  they did rot as well but grew fine after drying.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Calling annona aficionados
« on: December 07, 2020, 02:33:34 AM »
From Africa:

Anonidium mannii,

Hexalobus crispiflorus.

From Brazil:

several Duguetia and Fusaea  and Porcelia species.

Har I was reading on a site, and while it wasn't Hexalobus Crispiflorus I did see something In Africa about H. monopetalus
Video only 1/2 a Minute, but says it tastes like Guava .
(off subject, but I am Curious  after you see it does it play a bunch of baboa tree video's back to back.
maybe I will watch more of those when I eat something)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThkaAAWM7jQ

Oh I originally read of that Anonoaceae species  on these site 's
looks like some are critically endangered (  Monanthotaxis buchananii  ) , and even one I saw extinct.
https://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/family.php?family_id=12

Radoslav Any updates on the  annona jahnii did not see anything on a search new.

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Do not worry here   or D grower I am freeze drying fruit like I found naturally to save on weight.

Do you have 1 1/2 pound ones cool to offer scions if you have a tree to graft to on your property

I was just looking at how they  selected goldenrod to grow huge for latex at least the ford motor company did around the 1920's
would be cool to breed these bigger for landscaping interest think you could do it a lazy way
since plants are either male or female (diocieus) 
no cutting the male parts off hermaphrodite flowers to prevent self pollinating
 just throw your experiements into the wild, and select as time passes.

Do you have a way to separate seeds ?
online they say it is a messy job, but I do not think so pretty easy if you experiment.

https://sternrubber.com/blog/rubber-wizard-menlo-park




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Freeze dried fruit looks like this only 2 OZ, and not 10 OZ
This is naturally dried out doors

The second picture is also freeze dried, but the smaller one is over 5 years old put out for Halloween
ever year it looks different it is solid as a rock, and told my nieces it was a dried Monkey Brain








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rare endemic Jamaican annonas
« on: December 01, 2020, 02:48:39 PM »
mAYBE THAT GUY CAN USE A laser to find the tree's in the wild


Interesting though I never heard of it.
 this is the topic about lasers, but just read below it is all the same.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=40617.msg399198#msg399198


Copied from here
https://www.worldlandtrust.org/news/2016/09/cutting-edge-technology-reveals-true-colours-rio-anzu-reserve/

An airborne observatory which is revolutionising forest ecology has recently flown over some of the reserves protected by World Land Trust and local partner Fundación EcoMinga, and has the potential for helping conservationists discover new tree species.

The two-engine 20 passenger plane takes seconds to assess forests to a level of detail that would take researchers  lifetimes of fieldwork to collect. With millions of dollars of cutting-edge laser and spectrometer technology built into it, the Carnegie Aerial Observatory (CAO) can sample hundreds of thousands of hectares of forest per day. This data is cross-referenced with a digital catalogue of the chemical and optical properties of around 4,700 plant species in different conditions, which allows scientists to create a map of the forest’s condition.

The colours displayed in these maps represent several layers of information about each tree and its state of health, allowing scientists to judge the effects of events such as drought or disease as well as spot otherwise unnoticeable symptoms within unstudied regions of forest. In one case, aerial data of forested area in Hawaii revealed regions where the canopy showed unusually low levels of nitrogen, and led ecologists to discover that an invasive ginger plant was competing with native trees for nitrogen.

YEARS OF SURVEYS IN SECONDS
Tropical biologist and Principal Investigator at CAO Greg Asner brought the plane to Ecuador for a ten-day study of Amazonia. One of the CAO’s research flights crossed two kilometres through the area managed by EcoMinga, which will provide a wide, detailed insight into the structure and diversity of the forest.

ecominga-lrg
Lou Jost, Co-founder of Fundación EcoMinga, said “I am really excited about the potential for this data. It would tell us the structure and diversity of the forest, and my biggest hope is that some of our most special trees, such as Magnolias, will have distinctive spectral fingerprints, so that we can find and map them. If the Magnolia genus has a distinctive fingerprint, we might be able to identify sites with Magnolias outside the elevation ranges of the known species, so we could use this data to discover new species of Magnolia.”

To learn more about the way the CAO uses spectrometers and high-powered lasers to map nature in meticulous kaleidoscopic 3D detail, see Greg Asner’s Ted Talk here.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wonder if Seattle will be 9a soon...
« on: December 01, 2020, 01:15:12 PM »
I think If every Neighborhood grew a ton of tree's that could help
funny how if one Neighbor see's one person do one thing they will copy over the years for the good or worse.
I read it in a marking book, but now seeing it first hand
unfortunately my neighbors choices of having 20 lights blaring on the house, is annoying
 7 on the front alone and now every one is copying.

grow a ton of tree's I wish that would happen after everyone else starts copying..

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