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TheVeggieProfessor

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Low down on Titusville?
« on: June 06, 2025, 08:22:04 PM »
Hi everyone. We just got back from a trip to Titusville. I thought it was awesome. Obviously, there Merrit Island has a good fruit situation, but what about Titusville itself? What can you grow there? Looking at annual lows (https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/titusville-fl/lowest-temperatures-by-year) it usually stays above 30. Every 5 years or so it gets down to the upper 20s. Much more rarely it gets lower than that. Mangoes should generally do okay there, no? They may not produce every year depending upon when the cold hits, but outside of the infrequent super cold snap, they should survive. What say you?
Carambola, jabos should be good. Sapodilla and macadamia maybe (similar to mango)? Bananas will need to get cut back and buried under mulch here and there, but will come back.

I cannot find exact chill hours, but based on nearest areas (http://agroclimate.org/tools/Chill-Hours-Calculator/) it seems to be sufficient for low chill peaches, persimmons, low chill berries, and a range of other goodies.

In short, not ideal, but seems to have some good options. Does anyone live there are a similar environment. What are your experiences like? How is my assessment and what would you change and add?

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2025, 08:37:32 PM »
Melbourne and north seem to get quite a lot more afternoon rain coming across the state in the late spring and summer. I’d agree that mango is probably hit or miss up there due to the risk of freezes. Merritt Island certainly makes it work but they have water on both sides. The other plants you list should be ok. Persimmon would be another good fruit with the chill hours there.

The other thing that may be a factor for you is that Titusville is sort of a dying area. Its been a stagnant/slow decline which may be ok for a “forever home” retiree but prospects for a well paying job and things that the general public consider to be fun are few and far between. You won’t really find nice restaurants, a Whole Foods, etc in Titusville.

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2025, 08:45:58 PM »
The other thing that may be a factor for you is that Titusville is sort of a dying area. Its been a stagnant/slow decline which may be ok for a “forever home” retiree but prospects for a well paying job and things that the general public consider to be fun are few and far between. You won’t really find nice restaurants, a Whole Foods, etc in Titusville.

It is interesting to hear that Titusville is dying. I never knew that it was much "alive" to begin with, to be honest. When I was there, it seemed like there were a few cookie cutter home developments (barf) popping up. I am assuming there is some tourism for the Space Center (that is why we went) and the national park was absolutely incredible. What has precipitated this "death?"

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2025, 08:39:57 AM »
Never alive to begin with may be the better way to say it. It seems like everywhere else on the east coast has grown, developed, and progressed but Titusville has remained stagnant. It could be due to how far they are from the ocean. My only real memories of the town are driving through back when I lived close to Orlando and my friends and I would go to Playalinda beach.

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2025, 04:51:42 PM »
Any ideas what staple tree crops would do well there? Avocado and perhaps macadamia. Obviously no coconuts. Probably not enough chill for pecans or chestnuts. Jackfruits (for seeds) are doubtful. Anything I am missing, or just not many options?

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2025, 12:34:33 PM »
I lived there for 40 years before moving to west Orange County for a career change, but most people work at the Space Center and it’s affiliated vendors. There’s a popular helicopter school there as well.

It grew to what it is mostly back in the 60’s for trades people that worked at the Cape and nearby boat builders like Sea Ray Boats in Merritt Island. The town stayed the way it did because the city counsel and government didn’t want it to grow like most surrounding towns to the south. Eventually Mims and Scottsmoor to the north grew and Port St John to the south. Even more people left for Viera. I stayed because I surfed Playalinda and New Smyrna Inlet, the waves south of the Cape, being weak, was never an option. Another draw to the area is for fishing enthusiasts due to the Mosquito Lagoon to the northeast and the ease of getting into the St John’s River to the west along both SR 50 and 46. Hunting and wildlife management areas were and still are in place to the west and north, basically stopping Orlando’s suburban sprawl eastwards past Geneva, Chuluota, and Bithlo/Christmas. Generally, housing is cheaper and there is no real traffic issues. There are very nice neighborhoods sprinkled throughout, especially around the La Cita golf course, and the western and southern portions of town. There are some but not many neighborhoods with small lot sizes, most everything is .20 acres and above, with numerous large areas of town having multiple acre lots, very similar to Vero Beach.  The town is just big enough to where you don’t know everyone, but most people living there have been there for multiple generations. I can’t go back to Playalinda without bumping into people I’ve known for 35 years.

As far as trees go, I had a couple large mango trees that would fruit every year, and I know several people with large consistently fruiting mango trees. Actually with climate change, the growing area has pushed into the Mims/Scottsmoor area. I’ve seen large fruiting coconut palms in Mims. I know of numerous large lychees, longans, carambolas, even adult sized jackfruit trees in Titusville. All the standard low chill sub tropicals perform well there like blueberries,loquats mulberries, persimmons, and white sapotes.  As far as veggies go, my grandparents had an 1/8 acre veggie garden in Mims while I was growing up in the 70' and 80's that supplied 4 families.
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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2025, 02:49:51 PM »
I lived there for 40 years...

Thanks for this great information. Personally, when I visited, my whole family found the area to be a real gem. Down here in broward county, we have went the way of "growth." The fact that Titusville actively resisted this is something we really value.

Between the climate and other factors, it seems like just what we are looking for. Now I just need to delete this thread so word does not get out ;)

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2025, 01:44:17 PM »
Depends how far you're from the coast. The first few miles you should be ok with Mangos, more than 5 miles inland and the temperatures drop of pretty fast on a cold night.

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2025, 09:38:14 AM »
If we can grow Mangos in Orlando / Sanford / Oviedo you should be able to as well even inland from Titusville.

Now that I've been looking for them I'm finding mature ones (10+ years in ground at least) in a bunch of places.  Not to say they won't get killed off in a future freeze but for now they're chugging along.  I've got one in-ground now (grocery store seedling) thats well over 20ft tall and produced around 200 last year.  Bloomed in May of 24 and fruit ripened in late Aug thru the end of Sept.  Had to prune it back in October as its growth was way out of control so no Mangos this year but I've seen a ton of backyard trees from paying attention when i drive.

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2025, 11:18:47 AM »
If we can grow Mangos in Orlando / Sanford / Oviedo you should be able to as well even inland from Titusville.

Now that I've been looking for them I'm finding mature ones (10+ years in ground at least) in a bunch of places.  Not to say they won't get killed off in a future freeze but for now they're chugging along.  I've got one in-ground now (grocery store seedling) thats well over 20ft tall and produced around 200 last year.  Bloomed in May of 24 and fruit ripened in late Aug thru the end of Sept.  Had to prune it back in October as its growth was way out of control so no Mangos this year but I've seen a ton of backyard trees from paying attention when i drive.

Urban neighborhoods hold an amazing amount of heat on cold nights. Rural inland areas are an entirely different story. I have seen Mango trees frozen to the ground in the past 3 years about 150 miles south of where you are talking about. So, I would not bet on Mango inland of Titusville unless I knew the microclimate.

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2025, 11:34:02 AM »
My neighbors in north Orlando have mango trees from seeds and all are fruiting and happy. I bought 3 named grafted varieties and all died in the winters with no less than 33f.
I saw a gigantic jackfruit in Oviedo, from seed grown.
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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2025, 02:34:08 PM »
If you're inland a lake microclimate can really help. We're inland and north of Titusville and jackfruit, starfruit, black sapote, lychee, tamarind, mango, passionfruit all grow here. I have an inground miracle fruit that's nearly 8' tall. Bananas grow fine. Papayas always freeze back.

I wouldn't invest a lot of money in the cold tender fruit trees since they'll die back in a bad cold snap. Sapodilla I keep in a pot so it can come inside in winter if needed, that's one I'd hate to lose, plus it's still young.

Also grow white sapote and cold hardy fruits like loquat, persimmon, low chill peach, pear, plum, nectarine, bumper crop of olives this year. Central FL can be the best of both worlds!

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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2025, 07:00:36 AM »
I get to -1 in a bad winter (but -0.5 every year) and what I do is grow things out until the are large enough to survive the frosts. I'm nearly ready to plant out some of my seed grown tropicals (waiting till spring), but here are my results so far, from last years frost. There will be a lot to learn when frosts hit this year in a month.
-Fast growing large jackfruit took frosts at ~9months but did produce a few sets of deformed leaves. Got frost on it's leaves but didn't really care. A younger jack at ~6months with half the stem girth died to the ground.
-White sapote took frosts at ~9 months, next to jack, frosts on leaves but just couldn't care less. Zero damage.
-Top grown pineapples will show slightly discoloured leaves which will look all normal again in Spring.
-Loquats don't care. They just don't at ~4months old
-KP mango at ~8months didn't really care. It just paused growth, frosts on its leaves. I reckon -2 would knock it about a bit.

My advice for zone pushers: young seedlings don't take the frost, give them a year or 2 and they will surprise.
Just thought I'd share that :)


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Re: Low down on Titusville?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2025, 01:26:47 PM »
I like Titusville. I live about 20 minutes west just past Christmas and before Bithlo. Our best friends live there so we are there all the time. Theres a few really good restaurants. Robs Burgers is really good, theres an Irish pub near the big town"center" complex. Theres a decent BBQ place down 1A. You will find along the main highway the towns kind of all blend together, and since I dont live there I cant tell you the difference. Its like Orlando and the little numerous micro towns like Sanford and Longwood that comprise it, they are all Orlando to most people just with a different city names on the address block.

Fishing and outdoor activities are great with access to the Indian River and Mosquito lagoons. It does have a kind of run down appearance due to the fact most of it was built in the 60s. I grow mangos where I am and it is colder here than it is in Titusville. We only very rarely reach freezing, I think its happened once in my area in the last 12 years. Frost is the only real threat and even that is light.