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Manfromyard,  thank you.  Great info video  - very valuable.   How about some information on the trees that you grow.  I am aware that you grow citrus outside under tunnel cultivation.

I will have to make a thread and maybe take some pictures.
I actually have Yuzu and Sudachi myself, but will be giving the Yuzu to a friend of mine to cultivate for me.

Currently in ground, Citrangequat, Meyer Lemon, Yuzuquat.

Containerized: Sudachi, Bloomsweet, UGA Ichang and Changsha.

Mr. Duncan posted a nice video showing some hardy citrus being grown outside in Coastal Canada.

The sudachi looks super productive!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus in Ga?
« on: May 10, 2020, 06:52:47 PM »
Check out the Georgia Citrus Association and 1-Dog Ventures. They should have several varieties available :)

They would probably be the best bet, however they don't ship as far as I know so get ready to drive a few hours. They did impose some rules that started in January 2020 here:

I know that 4 winds and Mckenzie had a certificate whenever I used to order. Not sure if it was Aphis or not, and apparently that is now a requirement as of January 1, 2020. I did order most of the varieties I wanted last year just in case something like this was coming. Looks like you can't send material or propagate your own stuff even now, just like California.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Meyer Lemon seed
« on: July 02, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »

I am not far from Peachtree city if that is where you live.
I actually go to Peachtree city every other weekend or so. I have a Meyer that I can give you cuttings from if you’re not too deeply into Fayetteville county.

Awesome job! I have always thought that a citrumelo X ichangensis would be the best bet for a hardy lemon type looking fruit. I am very excited for you and wait for your evaluation on the fruit after ripening!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Changsha mandarin
« on: May 08, 2019, 12:39:25 PM »
2 reasons.  I used to live in Hampton, VA zone 8a and that was the best tasting citrus I could keep alivevanf my first big attempt at gardening.  So, part of it is for sentimental reasons.
Next reason would be that it has the third best to me of any citrus I have eaten, behind AZ sweet oranges and browns select mandarin.

I haven't had as many citrus fruits as you, obviously.
Andrew, you should contact UGA to see if you can get the seedless changsha imported by Arizona agriculture . If you really like it that much.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: The Citrus Family Tree
« on: May 08, 2019, 12:32:03 PM »
To be more serious, this is only about cultivated citrus!.
The cultivated germplasms are very small part of the genetic resource compared to wild citrus.
This theory of four parents can only explain cultivated citrus not wild citrus.

We must be very cautious about all those 'trees'. No use to speak of Tanaka and swingle classifications...  ;)
The modern genetic classifications are breaking everything we were believing in. An example is the papeda family which was centered on Ichang papeda and has been proved completely wrong!
True, indeed. In this article there is no mention of trifoliate citrus or kumquats. So the wild forms are not accounted for here.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer lemon, why?
« on: May 04, 2019, 10:58:43 PM »
I think the main reason it was selected was the cold hardiness of the tree. It definitely can be grown into Zone 8, whereas the Eureka or Lisbon is mainly a zone 9. It does have that aftertaste that can get bad if you let the fruit get overripe. To make a long answer short, it's hard to store since it's so soft, so lower supply makes it seem more attractive and exotic.

It is super productive though. For a zone 8B, you really are forced to choose it...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sudachi cold hardiness
« on: January 04, 2019, 12:07:14 AM »
I'll enhance Socal's reposting above by adding that my Thomasville Citrangequat on FD rootstock also survived 8F (-13.3C)in Vancouver Wa. during the same winter.  It, however, was 70% defoliated and showed more small twig damage than either the Yuzu or the Sudachi.

My Thomasville-obtained from Mackenzie farms- has a nice flavor with little or no bitterness.  I add the juice to my apple-quince sauce.

  Interesting, I guess citrangequat is not a stable line and might not grow true from seeds. The F2 and beyond offsprings could be more cold or less cold tolerant.

  I will try to germinate many citrangequat seeds and at 1 year old I will put most of them outside to eliminate those with less cold tolerant. I think I better get rid of those who have dying potential due to freezing. I also plan to get rid of those which show more of trifilate leaves because I guess those with more trifoliate leaves tend to carry down the sourness and bitterness gene from Poncirus.

USDA tried for along time to get Citrangequat hybrids but no avail. All the seeds are clones, and the pollen appears to be sterile as far as researchers could tell.

Citrangequat is a dead end as far as offspring. Just like mules, a few have offspring, but the vast majority never catch.... Better to go one back and start with a citrange. It'll be somewhat easier...

Heat units are just a measure of how hot it gets. The southeast and Northwest are classified as the same USDA zone in some parts. You have 7a to 8b in both sports. But it gets hotter for longer in the southeast. That added energy allows plants to grow faster and fruit to ripen more quickly.

And I don't have a lot of old seedlings. These are basically the ones from this pfall. They just started.

I can maybe give you 1 from last season. You could grow it out fro a year or 2, then plant outside..

Lavender 87, I can send you seed from Thomasville, but I don't think it is that hard to find. And it will take up to 20 years for first flowers on a Kumquat-hybrid (not sure, but my Kumquat-seedling flowered this year for its first time ab afte twenty years on a PT rootstock)

Kumquat hybrids are usually the fastest flowering per the literature. I have a seedling Citrangequat that took 5 years from seed, which is not long at all. It might have to do with the heat units.

Lavender87, I have a few seeds that have sprouted...

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pomegranates in upper Texas Gulf Coast
« on: October 14, 2018, 10:41:35 PM »
So pretty much all my pomegranates succumbed to some disease that turns the fruit black.  I am led to believe the vector for this disease is leaf footed bugs and stink bugs, which I have in profusion since I have numerous very large pecan trees on my property.  Anyone have a secret to manage the bugs/disease?  I am planning on a copper spray regimen next year after fruit set to see if that saves the fruit.

The leaf footed bugs poke holes, then black rot sets in. I have the same problem. From what I've read, SURROUND is recommended. So I will order a big bag and spray them and the citrus down well..

They look great! How do you prepare the feijao for ice cream? I have a few bushes, and am trying to use them in more recipes.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Report on winter 2017/18
« on: April 25, 2018, 10:17:35 PM »
Despite this past winter not getting as cold as previous ones, I have quite a few deaths. I can only think that the warm winter weather (70s in January), stopped the trees from entering dormancy. When the Nor easterners rolled through, they all got hit. 3 Bloomsweets look dead. Yuzuquat looks dead. 6 year old Citrangequat is green at the base, but the branches were green at first, then died.

It looks like the warmer winters are even more dangerous than the cold ones... >:(

.So poncirus is the only true one outside of the Citrus family proper?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Arctic Frost / Orange Frost Satsuma?
« on: December 10, 2017, 04:29:03 PM »
Don't waste your time unless you have space to spare.  It's not any more cold hardy than a regular satsuma,  probably less hardy imo.

So if the cold hardiness is a wash,  just get the best tasting early satsuma that you can...

Citradia, good job. Can't wait to get fruit from mine. 10 seeds sounds like a lot for a seedless fruit.

I guess that's the end for smaller growers. The land is too expensive and globalization makes it hard to compete paying us labor prices.

For sure. That forum was where I first started my citrus interests. There's so much discussion and info that we left there. ..

Is that moss in the Thomasville tree?

And look at the thorns on the Nansho and the Ichangensis! Ouch!

yep. The Spanish Moss has taken the tree over. I saw it when I went to Savannah for a conference this year. They also have an experimental area now where they are reproducing the colonial plantings. Several mandarins are there as well....


Glad someone went. Any pictures or opinions on the winners of the Citrus beauty pageant?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing olives?
« on: October 21, 2017, 02:23:59 PM »
There is a very popular olive oil company in southern GA. One of their websites is below:

I think they grow mostly Arbequina.

I also saw some fruiting at the Savannah Bamboo Gardens...

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Your favorite zone 8a plants?
« on: October 21, 2017, 01:57:20 PM »
I'm in an 8a, and you can grow probably any sub tropical or temperate crop if you pick the right varieties. I have several "hardy" citrus with little to no protection. You can try better tasting mainstream varieties, but you will have to protect them.

Figs, pineapple guavas, asian persimmons, pomegranates are easy.
If your soil is a match, add blueberries.

Blackberries will do better than raspberries in the Southeast. It just gets too hot for them as opposed to 8a in the Northwest or west coast.

If you can manage spraying and a lot of preventative maintenance, peaches, apples, cherries, plums, apricots, can be be grown.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: cold hardy Citrus for zone 7b?
« on: September 10, 2017, 02:20:32 PM »

Snellville is a bit outside the heat island, but I recommend Citrangequats, Ichang lemons, or Changshas on the South side of  property.
If you only have an exposed spot, a Dunstan Citrumelo or Morton Citrange should work.

If you are willing to use containers, plant anything you want, but Meyer Lemons and Satsumas will need less nights of protection.

Just temper your expectations about taste. You should probably taste a few before you plant them....

Yes, they missed trifoliata and ichangensis.

There are also a few other varieties that we recently found like Citrus Glauca (from Australia) and Mangshanyegan (Wild Mandarin- like fruit from China).

Lots of available genetic material worldwide, especially in China where the West has limited access....

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