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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits you can eat unripe
« on: Today at 01:19:21 AM »
Green papaya (chicken soup or salad), green banana salad, green mango salad, green tomato in salad and cooking, green jackfruit in cooking, will think up more.

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yeah, wonder why the Australian KP has not been discussed much here in the States.

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Appreciate the feedback! I'll do that. Polyembryonic seeds seems like the way to go.
The trees I had were grafted ones from Living the Green Life/Shamus O' Leary based out of Arizona. You're probably familiar with them mangomanic12 since you're in Phoenix (P.S. Go Suns!).
Root rot definitely looks to be the culprit, albeit surprisingly since they're in very high draining soil with plenty of sand. Just odd that they seem more susceptible to it than my avos which we all know are notorious for root rot issues.
How does Peach Cobbler and Dupois Saigon handle desert clay soil? I'd obviously amend it a lot if it gets started or eventually planted in the ground, but I worry about the taproot hitting our clay and the tree meeting a quick end after that. That tends to be a major issue for tropicals here.

I was surprised too when many grafted trees died of root rotted after the winter, in my early year, as I painstakingly protected them from too much water from rain or whatever. The root cause is they were not strong and healthy to battle the disease. Now, my strong seedlings were planted on the East side of the house, directly right under the tile roof run off, so plenty of rain water and none were killed by root rotted.

Living the Green Life/Shamus O' Leary, I'm guessing they got your trees from FL.
Mango do well in all type soil, and strong tap root will get through the clay if you give it good deep water in the growing months. Just let the healthy vigorous trees doing their work for you.

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Her mother planted a Mango seed from Safeway supermarket 20 or so years ago and she just continued planting the seeds from that mother tree...all the fruits from the trees are the same and she does not want to graft.

How's interesting. We need to bring her some of the best tasting mangoes around the world, and see it if she will change her mind. I will volunteer to do the grafting on her mature  trees.

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Trees are planted in RootTrapper II 30gal pots with very free draining soil consisting of palm/citrus mix, sand, and lava rock. No risk of anthracnose or other similar pathogens that I'm aware of being that Vegas has very dry air.
Is there something I'm missing, or am I just a glutton for punishment?

This sounds familiar to me 5 or 6 years ago on my mango growing effort.
Are they seedling or grafted trees from Florida? Don't waste your time with FL grafted mangoes, as they are not strong to survive the punish of desert climate. What killed your trees is root rotted, a silent disease: just choked up the water supply from the roots to the trunk. They died like being dig up.

Are they in West facing sun all day? You might want to try place them at the East side the house to have shade in the afternoon hot sun. I found my trees on the East side of the house grow faster and healthier than the West side wall of the house. Too much hot sun in dry climate can shock mangoes, contrary to what we read.

I only grow seedlings now and my best seedlings are from Peach Cobbler. Don't grow the store-bought Manila seeds as the seedlings are too weak; Kent also has more disease and weak the first couple years.
Why not plant them on ground? Pot is not idea for mangoes.

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Here is my FL rootstock Maha in ground more than 6 years. I already planted a seedling next to it and will graft with Maha and then dig up the mother tree and trash it.


and here is my favorite taste Imam-Pasand (Indian) mango graft from FL. This is the worst case and it looks more like tomato vine than a proud mango king of fruits, in ground for 7 year if you can believe it. Of course I had planted a seedling next to the drooping King to take over in a few years. So don't make the same mistake.



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Sapote, are any of those trees roots messing with your pavers?

My biggest tree is around 3 to 4" trunk near ground, so it is still not old, but not a sight of big surface root. The big main root is going down, not sideway as Sapote, orange or avocado. I don't think we need to worry about mango messing pavers.

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Brad, have you ever thought about running misters from your irrigation lines to your trees that require higher humidity?
For how long -- all day for a big area? That will waste too much water even just misting

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Maha, tastes like a carrot, but many people like them. Problem free tree, so I kept it.

Haha, I would use that term for Lancetilla. Does it smells like carrot too? For me, Maha has the nicest aroma, but its taste can change dramatically with the weather.

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Ah sorry Mike I should have been more clear. My big list was just that of the typically grown backyard varieties in Brisbane, not ones which I have growing specifically. Thankfully I never put a Glenn, Keitt, or Kent in the ground before trying them. I had a Palmer last season which wasn't bad but generally I'm not a fan.

R2E2 I kind of put in the Calypso category where they aren't my go to mango but they're nice mild change if your lips are burning from the more flavorful varieties. Those two are more like melons than mangos to me. Not bad just different.

Honey gold is great but I haven't put one in the ground as I've read it is disease prone. The ones I have are Alphonso, Maha, Kwan, and lemon zest.  Maha is one of the best mangos I've tried so I got a tree a few days after I first tasted one. Haven't tried a Kwan so I'm happy to hear your good reports on it!  I've tried a fantastic Fonz in the UK but never in Australia so we'll see how we go. I drank the marketing Kool aid on lemon zest.

By hydrocarbon taint are you referring to the turpentine qualities of some varieties?  Or is this a different issue? Some people seem to like a bit of the old chemical flavour. I thought I wasn't one of them but I'm a feijoa nut and I was told by someone they taste like toilet cleaner so perhaps I'm not the best judge of this quality in mangos

You guys should try the Indian Imam Pasand -- unforgettable flavor, big fruit, reliable bearer and no disease in my yard. Look is not its strong point.

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I have been in the heat spell last 3 days. I was a bit surprised that my Edward young fruits got burned and shrank in 94F and low humidity last Sunday. Maha, Peach cobbler, and other variety are ok. They are a little smaller than a chicken egg. Young Edward fruits are a little wrinkly or not smooth skin, and growing faster than other fruits.

I ended up taping a 3x4" paper to shade each fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 14, 2021, 01:34:22 AM »
Would a Duncan be a better choice?

Duncan is a better eating than Lancetilla, which is ok late season mango and half ripe eating with chili-salt, or Thai mango salad.

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Peach Cobbler seedings grow very well in my climate, and have fruits in 3 years. If fruits are not any special I will top and graft something on them.
Kent seedlings are more problematic -- disease and very slow at the first few years.

Have you found Peach Cobbler to be the best growing / most vigorous varieties from seed?

Yes, tallest and biggest of all seedlings, in SoCal. I have one facing west and one facing east, and they both are doing very well and fruited in 3 years. Even holding fruits the very first flowering year.

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Nice for a change though generally a prefer things a little more acid-spritzy. 

Keitt too is on the bottom as Glenn for me. Even farmed in the Coachella desert, Keitt is too watery and bland for me. As about Glenn, my area is lack of rain all year and the flavor as I descripted -- just bland. I would rather have a stringy old type but more acidity and flavor than those.

Agreed that Glenn fruiting is consistence bearer, but no thank you. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 13, 2021, 04:25:35 PM »
Yes, in SoCal I had ripe fruits in from October to December.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying three mango trees
« on: June 13, 2021, 04:23:07 PM »
In the second pic there is a big palm tree next to the mangoes, and I'm surprised to see the mango trees are doing well. Palm tree has many long roots like hairs everywhere.


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Peach Cobbler seedings grow very well in my climate, and have fruits in 3 years. If fruits are not any special I will top and graft something on them.
Kent seedlings are more problematic -- disease and very slow at the first few years.

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Here is my FL rootstock Maha in ground more than 6 years. I already planted a seedling next to it and will graft with Maha and then dig up the mother tree and trash it.


And here is the HD La Verne seeding with graft after it had fruits:




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 13, 2021, 03:44:50 PM »





This doesn't look like Lancetilla, which should be longer and slightly S shape.

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No Glen for me -- just bland tasting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Battle against whiteflies
« on: June 12, 2021, 03:39:42 PM »
Thumbs and fingers, big man. Crush them against the under side of the leaves with fingers on top and bottom.
Yes, try to plant them in full sun.

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This thread is great. Need some help with my young mangoes. Recently purchased the following from FL on turpentine repotted in gritty mix 1.5 months ago (in the pic from leftish to right):

Maha Chanok (26”)
Lemon Zest (24”)
Sweet Tart (18”)
Coconut Cream (19”)

Second matter, i understand the turpentine rootstock issue. I’m in zone 10b/21...very sandy, rocky soil that i amend lightly. 10+ hours of daily summer sun with reflective heat from the ground. Hoping conditions are such that these thrive...even on the turpentine. I understand the ST and LZ are vigorous...what about MC and CC?

Good luck to you on growing mangoes. Good heat in summer will never change the fact that we have cold and longer winter cold nights compared to FL.

I have Maha in ground with pavers surround so plenty of heat, but it is drooping so bad most of the fruits are laying on the pavers, and the graft tree was bought from FL about 6 or 7 years ago.

I have been growing mangos for more than 10 years with plenty of failure and success, and my advice is don't buy grafted mangoes on turpentine rootstock. It is faster to have 7 feet fruit tree by growing seedlings and then graft them after they have fruits in about 3 years.

I had pulled out drooping trees I bought from FL, after having them in ground more than 5 years, and replaced them with my own seedlings. 

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thanks Oscar.  Im growing a bunch of orangeglos and planted a few moon and stars for the first time this year.  Orangeglo is the king.

How do yo avoid powder mildew? Many years ago I grew couple vines and they were so good, but then no more luck after that due to very bad PM problem.

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Seeded: sweeter and more flavor.
Regardless seeded or seedless, you need to know how to select sweet and fresh melon.
Sweet: more sun and ripe, which means dark green with yellow stripes.
Fresh: high frequency sound, like hard wood when snap your finger on the melon rested against your ear. Low frequency means bruised or over-ripen. 
Uh oh, now I have more competition.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Do you like Alphonso mango fruits?
« on: June 07, 2021, 06:48:44 PM »
This year I finally will have some Alphonso to taste for the first time in my life. This morning I crushed one thumb size that aborted and its smell reminded me of the Iman Pasand but the latter is 4x stronger than the former. If you like Alphonso then I think you will also like the creamy buttery  Pasand. For me, Iman Pasand is a very slow grow tree, perfect for those with small space.

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