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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: October 19, 2021, 05:51:30 PM »
Looks that you have a lot of fruit lovers in your yard.

For Satsuma fruits, we noticed they have a process like this so picking up times make big differences:
first they change color and get sweet with sour and tartness,
then they become less sour and less tartness (or sweeter),
then they start becoming soft and a little dry but not sweeter,
They start baggy but not sweet.

Ok, thanks for you comments Malhar and Jim. Maybe I better try to cover my last Xie Shan fruits with metal mesh and try to wait until they all turn bright orange. I might be picking them to soon still. I will do this today and wait like you guys until it is fully orange (2-3 wks).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:02:45 PM »

Are your Xie Shan fully ripe? Did you have change to reevaluate it? 

I grafted some on late Aug and looks they are taken this time.

Just tasted the second Xie Shan fruit I picked. It does not have hardly any acidic/tart flavor, but it is sweet without being bland. My unkown satsuma was just like other satsuma in taste with a little tartness but not as sweet. This Xie Shan is not fully ripe but it tastes better than many ripe satsuma.


Out of 6 very thin seeds I found from 10 Orri fruits, I got two very thin and weak baby plants .  They eventually dried out in the hot summer.   One web article mentioned FL has the plants for sale from a nursery but no one in CA yet.   
Here's my taste test update as of 9-26-21:

1a) Orri (Israel)- sweetest of them all
1b) Sumo/Shiranui - sweet and little tart
2) Xie Shan -still did not taste a fully ripe one, only green/yellow so far
3) Gold Nugget
4) Ponkan
5) Honey mandarin (VI-133)
6) Tango

Still did not get to taste the Yosemite Gold which I hear is also excellent, maybe next year, Johnny where would you rate the taste?

EricSC, thanks for the heads up on the Orri, I saw them last weekend at the market so got a dozen to eat, very good, consistent flavor.
When you planted some of the seeds from Orri, were they kinda on the small side? I did find some small seeds in a few fruits from the dozen fruits I ate.

Lovetoplant, here's an update on your question, "which is the sweetest", the answer now is Orri.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: CCPP budwood order
« on: September 27, 2021, 06:53:29 PM »

My Washington fruits are very tasty and flavorful when picked at right time.  But if you let them sit on desk for a week, they will taste just like those from supermarket.

I don't grow the Washington navel so can't make the comparison side by side. It's much sweeter than store bought Washington navel, also larger and easy to peel.

brian and sc4001992,

I have a productive GN so can tell what I have.

GN fruits can stay on tree as long as you like, sure they get sweeter when kept on tree longer.  I picked the last one in middle June with no puffiness.   They always juicy and fresh. 

Yes, they can taste like "sugar water" with no tartness, or sourness, etc.   When compared, GN can be sweeter than if the fruits stay on tree long enough, but less flavorful than satsuma or clementine (But the preference to what flavors can be individually different. ). Yes, I would agree that if a "rich" taste is preferred, GN is not.  When compared, I would think Sumo would be better.  I heard Pixie is also very good.

I have tasted supermarket Irro and agree it should at least the same as or better than Sumo.

For the skin, if the fruits get very big, they usually gets the very bumpy rough skin.


How Shasta Gold is compared with gold nugget?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: tanglefoot direct application experiment
« on: September 08, 2021, 07:54:34 PM »
Local and short-distance dispersal of mealybugs is facilitated by air currents, ant movements, farm labourers and farm implements. Long-range dispersal/movement of mealybugs is usually accomplished by transport of infested plant material.

Spider mites would do the same.

Tanglefoot works great against ants, but is useless at stopping mealybug and spider mites.  I was thinking maybe they were re-infesting from the ground after I sprayed the trees, but they must be coming from eggs in the trees because I never saw any stuck in the tanglefoot.

Shaneatwell, glad you reported your experience.  Despite the seeming safety of this I am still a bit wary of trying it on other species.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Are these leaf minor eggs?
« on: September 08, 2021, 07:46:57 PM »
Do you spray the Neem oil all the summer-fall until cool?
Thanks, There are butterflys fluttering around the citrus all day.  The bird dropping caterpillars have had their share of leaves and even some rather large brown weevils attacked the PT leaves this year.  But the leaf minors aggravate me the most. They sneak up on me when ever I fall behind on the neem oil.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: August 27, 2021, 08:05:57 PM »


Will be interested to hear your follow up evaluation of the Xie Shan fruits.

Satsuma fruits change taste during the ripe period.  My Satsuma fruits start to ripe with funny taste in November (but one of my Japanese friends believed it was perfect), then gradually get sweeter.  By end of Dec and Jan, start baggy and drying but not sweeter.

Mine is also holding too many fruits.  My tree is probably a bad example, though, as it has always been rather unhealthy.  I have noticed that the corner of the greenhouse it is planted in often has standing water from poor drainage, I am thinking that is the reason.

Anyway, they look pretty ripe so I picked one.  It is very tasty, but pretty much identical to Tango in my opinion.  Probably not fair to judge a small tree like this.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:57:07 PM »
I did notice the satsuma fruit shape/skin/size change with tree ages and yields.

In low yield years: get  fewer but big fruits.   The tend to have thick and rough skin.   
In a high yield years:   get a lot but small fruits.   They tend to have thin and smooth skin.
(This is more common in gold nugget tangerine tree.  You can see gold nugget tangerine fruits with very different shape / sinks in CA supermarkets).
In some cases, the  very big fruits are dry inside.   It is often seen for fruits from small/young trees.

My satsuma tree had the fruits with little neck in early years, but not now.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Last year for my xie shan
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:39:49 PM »

Great news, Congratulation.   It is great to hear your good news.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Last year for my xie shan
« on: August 17, 2021, 07:05:09 PM »

How is your Xie Shan doing?

Months ago, I bought some Orri mandarins at local supermarket.   They are very sweet with a clean and pleasant flavor.  It has a shin easy peel  rind with no seeds.  Web articles say its patent is expiring, so hopefully the trees will show up in market.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Madison Citrus Nursery.
« on: July 19, 2021, 01:45:22 PM »

It looks very efficient design.   I guess it will need expand with time.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Madison Citrus Nursery.
« on: July 18, 2021, 08:27:41 PM »
Can Kerji and Shiranui pass the NC winter? or what will be the effective protection for winter?

Super nice guy, Mr Boyd is. I bought some Keraji and shiranui from him last month.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: picking cutting for propagation
« on: July 03, 2021, 02:04:39 PM »

Very good.  I tried a couple of times.  No success.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Seeds from Orri Orange germinated
« on: June 30, 2021, 02:00:48 PM »

It is really encouraging.   It will be interesting to see what we get.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Seeds from Orri Orange germinated
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:24:55 PM »
Galatians522, and W.,

Appreciate your valuable info.   Will be patient to see what we can get.

Citrus General Discussion / Seeds from Orri Orange germinated
« on: June 29, 2021, 06:24:22 PM »
Last month, I bought about 10 Orri oranges and found 4-5 very small seeds.
After one ~month in pot, I found two of them germinated as the two photos below.   Hopefully, they can grow into trees.   So, we will see:
1, How many years will they grow into a reasonable size tree?
2, Will they bear the same fruits (like Orri), or something else?
3, I may try to graft them to a mature tree to see if it can be accelerated. 

Thanks Brian, now I have a hope for it. 


Will this bud grow a new flush?  It looks still alive but no clear indication of new flushes.   It had one in early spring which dried out.

Thanks all for the valuable info.    Last two years it did a lot of damages to the young trees.  So, hopefully, I can manage it to some levels.

I only found them on 4-5 new leaves of Eureka.  Not much from other citrus trees yet.  I spay the new growth with soap/pepper/rosemary every week but these 4-5 leaves might be missed.   So will continue monitoring.

So far, it only happened to 3-4 leaves among about 50-100 of new shoots.   The flushes have been treated with soap water/pepper/rosemary every 3-4 days, so will closely monitor it in next a few of weeks.


Last a couple of years, I had so much of CLM.  Surely I didn't do much with them but they remembered my tree very persistently.

This year, all of my trees have healthy leaves with no CLM until this week, with small amount of new leaves emerge.   About 3-4 very young leaves were found with the CLM trails.

I will spray the young flush with soap plus peppers and rosemary extract.  If it does not work, will switch to use more powerful methods as yours.


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