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Thanks for the recommendations. 

Papaya Tree Nursery does not have any cherimoyas yet but expect them soon.

Mimosa in Rosemead has Pierce, Booth, Honeyhart and Dr. White.   Atemoyas they have African Pride and Geffner.

Champa has Pierce, Orton, Dr. White, Shefer and Honeyhart.

I’ll check with Cal Poly Pomona when the nursery is staffed on Monday.

Thanks again everyone!

Email the nursery manager before going. The nurseryman might already know what will be sold. Their site says that cherimoyas will be up for sale in august through the website and then can be picked up curbside from the greenhouse. I went a couple weeks ago and didnt see any cherimoyas in their retail space.

pomona farm store nursery had el bumpo but they dont put them up for sale until august. Very nice plants.

Update on the bagging of the mangos. Unfortunately most of them have dropped both the bagged and un bagged. Also my sweet tart is now trying to bud out from the main trunk below the graft. Not sure what that is about.

Nice Goya626,

Honey kiss is a very productive variety in SoCal but it can be so productive that it doesn’t grow much if you let it hold too much fruit. Please keep us updated!


The honeykiss graft is on a potted tree, i dont expect it to grow much. Im hoping it keeps fruit so i can start seeds since according to my research honeykiss is polyembryonic.

These pics were taken yesterday.

Honeykiss not bagged

Honeykiss bagged

Parson bagged

Parson unbagged

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango
« on: May 03, 2021, 01:49:46 PM »
posted a couple pics.  what do you think?

Normal for flowers to dry and fall off after serving their purpose. Now its just a matter of waiting to see is if the panicles have any viable fruit.

I would thin that one out, otherwise the fruit will cluster like peaches, and there will be issues where the edges touch.

I've theorized that the best way to accelerate fruit development on mango would be to use paper/ waxpaper bags to encapsulate the fruit. Thank you for the data point.

Thanks for the reply.

I periodically open the bags and see if any are still dropping. I eventually want to end up with one fruit on each parson panicle but i am unsure that if i thin the one which the tree was going to hold im going to lose all of the fruit.

Anyone know if parson panicles are usually this short and if parson is mono or poly?

Does bagging mangos in a paper bag help the fruit develop quicker?

Pictured here is a honeykiss panicle i bagged and the mangos on it are significantly bigger than unbagged panicles that are from the same tree and variety and within  inches of each other.

The bagged panicles also have larger mangos on a parson graft on the same tree. The unbagged panicles have smaller mangoes.

Is this an established phenomenon?

Also on parson the panicles are really short compared to the other varieties is this normal? Note that it seems to want to hold alot of fruit.

Final question does anyone know of parson is mono or poly?


Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB pluot scions
« on: December 22, 2020, 02:22:59 PM »
Some are patented some aren't.

Here is a list compiled by the crfg oc chapter.

Edit: flavor grenades patent expired this year.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Question on Kishu mandarins
« on: December 14, 2020, 12:59:40 AM »
The biggest downside of the fruit is the size. The peeling doesn't bother me as much as the ratio of fruit to pith and membrane. The fruit cannot be consumed one segment at a time, it has to be eaten by popping the whole thing in your mouth and enjoying it.
For me, the small fruit size of Kishu is not an issue since they are effortless to peel. Very loose skin. You can easily snack on them.

I don't know what you mean when you say they cannot be consumed one segment at a time. I usually eat them one segment at a time. They are not difficult to separate. The segments are very small though so maybe it is just your finger size. Definitely would not be difficult for a child to eat.
Of course the fruit can be separated, im saying it shouldnt be for the best eating experience imo.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Question on Kishu mandarins
« on: December 11, 2020, 10:47:08 PM »
I have had a kishu mandarin for 5 or six years, the very first crop was horrible. Every other year has been good to great. This year i have been picking them since early November. The crop was high acid not much sweetness. Once the nights started getting colder the sweetness was increased. Right now the kishus are really good. They have high sweetness with a hint of acid. I started measuring the sweetness
last week and its ranged from 13-17brix with an average being 15. The fruits flavor varies widely depending on the stage of ripeness and how exposed the fruit is to the sun/elements. I ate 7-10 fruits today from different parts of the tree. The flavors range from a straight mild sweet sour flavor, rich pure sweetness, rich sweet and sour Mandarin flavor, and creamsicle flavor.
The biggest downside of the fruit is the size. The peeling doesn't bother me as much as the ratio of fruit to pith and membrane. The fruit cannot be consumed one segment at a time, it has to be eaten by popping the whole thing in your mouth and enjoying it.

Thanks for the responses hockey and johnny. I was hoping that early planting would allow for root development, which would allow the tree to flush out immediately. But it seems the wiser move is to keep it in its pot waiting for warmer weather.

Is it a good time to plant a mango tree right now? I usually wait until spring but im wondering if getting it in ground earlier will allow for the roots to develop before the first growth spurt in spring.

Also what is the lower limit of temp that a newly planted mango tree withstand?


Looking for them in 3 gallons in the sgv/LA county. Prefer fino de Jete but willing to consider the other varieties mentioned or other more rare cherimoyas (of equal quality). Thanks.

Edit: Variety was found in the cal poly nursery

Citrus General Discussion / Looking to expand citrus collection
« on: September 10, 2020, 11:40:49 AM »
Well not my citrus collection, a friend who asked me to help choose 5 varieties.

He sent me a list of what he currently has:

Shasta gold
Gold nugget
Bearss lime
Washington navel
Cara cara
Lane late navel
Xie shan
Okitsu wase

Looking for a lemon to use in marinating meat or to be paired with food. Bearss lime is a beast but lemons are more year round. The obvious choices are improved meyer lemon, Lisbon, and eureka. Not sure if meyer lemon would work as some describe it as sweet.

For the rest of the choices mandarin and their hybrids as well as oranges. Looking for flavor, uniqueness, and productivity. Secondary desirable characteristics include extended harvest season and season “non-peak” citrus season (may-october).


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Clementine fruit tree?
« on: July 17, 2020, 11:14:38 PM »
I checked-out Mike's recommended KISHU and they had it at Bright Leaf Citrus... looked interesting so I ordered one!
Nice price... $25 with $15 shipping.
The stuff you learn on this forum... Thanks!

Kevin Jones

I wouldnt call a kishu a clementine mandarin, but it is very good. The fruit is ping pong sizes but extremely easy to peel which makes eating three or four very easy.

I have a kishu mandarin growing 18” from a cinderblock wall. Its been there for 5 years. Its made it through a couple brutal heatwaves including the one in 2018 where it got to 115.

Tried apples along the same wall and they really struggled.

I planted a fig this spring and its growing well but it hasn't experienced a hot summer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to uncover mango grafts.
« on: July 03, 2020, 03:03:01 PM »

This is a parsons mango graft pushing

This is fruit punch. The buds are more swollen than they were last week.

this is lemon zest looking like it will start pushing soon.

This is another lemon zest thats a little further along.

All grafts were done on june 12. The rest are still green but no signs off growth. Should i be concerned of the other grafts or is it normal for grafts to take longer than 3 weeks to begin pushing? Thanks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to uncover mango grafts.
« on: June 29, 2020, 09:33:41 AM »
I ended up removing the foil yesterday. This was done because the weather was 75f overcast and today will be 78f overcast. Then a slow ramp up to 95f by next sunday. Hoping the grafts will be acclimated to the sun by then.

Would it be a safer bet to rewrap in foil or just let them be?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / When to uncover mango grafts.
« on: June 28, 2020, 01:52:09 PM »
On June 12, 2020 i grafted mango scions. I did 5 trees in 3 gallon pots which i stuck under a tree to keep direct sunlight off of them. The 8 remaining grafts were done on in ground trees. I covered the grafts with aluminum foil to keep the sun off them. All grafts are still alive with a couple actively pushing and some with increasingly swollen buds. Im wondering when can i remove the aluminum foil.? I want to remove it before the real summer heat kicks in but dont want to do it too early resulting in failure. Thanks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaving Mango Grafts for 5 weeks
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
Check weather reports. If its going to be too hot maybe some sort of shade protection might be warranted.

That's what I was thinking... I'll probably end up doing that.

I guess I'm going to have to rethink my order, and plan it better, then...

If i were you i would insure against the future availability (or lack of availability) of budwood. I think JF is relocating away from the US so this is probably the last time he will be selling mango budwood. Might be a good idea to get budwood and get your own budwood stock growing. I’ve put in my order with him because I like getting good quality local (more fresh) budwood. The less time budwood spends in transit, the better. I wish him the best on his relocation. I hope he keeps sharing knowledge and experience on this forum. But his mango, annona, and guava cuttings are definitely going to be missed.


Question:  Does it ever make sense to graft the same cultivar onto the same rootstock multiple times?

Yes. Especially if you are not a proficient grafter (like me). Then you want multiple chances of getting one take. Also, i think simon advices people to let the rootstock grow several years and then graft multiple shoots in order to have a full tree of the chosen variety.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted dragon fruit sicon
« on: May 24, 2020, 12:20:05 PM »
If you are close to cal poly they sell small palora dragon fruit plants for a reasonable price($7). They have curbside pick up on the smaller plants(you order online and they email you when they are available for pick up). I cant remember if they had larger palora plants in stock right now. I did email the nursery manager and got a very fast response.

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