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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 14, 2021, 01:34:22 AM »
Would a Duncan be a better choice?

Duncan is a better eating than Lancetilla, which is ok late season mango and half ripe eating with chili-salt, or Thai mango salad.

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Peach Cobbler seedings grow very well in my climate, and have fruits in 3 years. If fruits are not any special I will top and graft something on them.
Kent seedlings are more problematic -- disease and very slow at the first few years.

Have you found Peach Cobbler to be the best growing / most vigorous varieties from seed?

Yes, tallest and biggest of all seedlings, in SoCal. I have one facing west and one facing east, and they both are doing very well and fruited in 3 years. Even holding fruits the very first flowering year.

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Nice for a change though generally a prefer things a little more acid-spritzy. 

Keitt too is on the bottom as Glenn for me. Even farmed in the Coachella desert, Keitt is too watery and bland for me. As about Glenn, my area is lack of rain all year and the flavor as I descripted -- just bland. I would rather have a stringy old type but more acidity and flavor than those.

Agreed that Glenn fruiting is consistence bearer, but no thank you. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 13, 2021, 04:25:35 PM »
Yes, in SoCal I had ripe fruits in from October to December.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying three mango trees
« on: June 13, 2021, 04:23:07 PM »
In the second pic there is a big palm tree next to the mangoes, and I'm surprised to see the mango trees are doing well. Palm tree has many long roots like hairs everywhere.


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Peach Cobbler seedings grow very well in my climate, and have fruits in 3 years. If fruits are not any special I will top and graft something on them.
Kent seedlings are more problematic -- disease and very slow at the first few years.

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Here is my FL rootstock Maha in ground more than 6 years. I already planted a seedling next to it and will graft with Maha and then dig up the mother tree and trash it.


And here is the HD La Verne seeding with graft after it had fruits:




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lancetilla mango tree
« on: June 13, 2021, 03:44:50 PM »





This doesn't look like Lancetilla, which should be longer and slightly S shape.

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No Glen for me -- just bland tasting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Battle against whiteflies
« on: June 12, 2021, 03:39:42 PM »
Thumbs and fingers, big man. Crush them against the under side of the leaves with fingers on top and bottom.
Yes, try to plant them in full sun.

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This thread is great. Need some help with my young mangoes. Recently purchased the following from FL on turpentine repotted in gritty mix 1.5 months ago (in the pic from leftish to right):

Maha Chanok (26”)
Lemon Zest (24”)
Sweet Tart (18”)
Coconut Cream (19”)

Second matter, i understand the turpentine rootstock issue. I’m in zone 10b/21...very sandy, rocky soil that i amend lightly. 10+ hours of daily summer sun with reflective heat from the ground. Hoping conditions are such that these thrive...even on the turpentine. I understand the ST and LZ are vigorous...what about MC and CC?

Good luck to you on growing mangoes. Good heat in summer will never change the fact that we have cold and longer winter cold nights compared to FL.

I have Maha in ground with pavers surround so plenty of heat, but it is drooping so bad most of the fruits are laying on the pavers, and the graft tree was bought from FL about 6 or 7 years ago.

I have been growing mangos for more than 10 years with plenty of failure and success, and my advice is don't buy grafted mangoes on turpentine rootstock. It is faster to have 7 feet fruit tree by growing seedlings and then graft them after they have fruits in about 3 years.

I had pulled out drooping trees I bought from FL, after having them in ground more than 5 years, and replaced them with my own seedlings. 

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thanks Oscar.  Im growing a bunch of orangeglos and planted a few moon and stars for the first time this year.  Orangeglo is the king.

How do yo avoid powder mildew? Many years ago I grew couple vines and they were so good, but then no more luck after that due to very bad PM problem.

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Seeded: sweeter and more flavor.
Regardless seeded or seedless, you need to know how to select sweet and fresh melon.
Sweet: more sun and ripe, which means dark green with yellow stripes.
Fresh: high frequency sound, like hard wood when snap your finger on the melon rested against your ear. Low frequency means bruised or over-ripen. 
Uh oh, now I have more competition.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Do you like Alphonso mango fruits?
« on: June 07, 2021, 06:48:44 PM »
This year I finally will have some Alphonso to taste for the first time in my life. This morning I crushed one thumb size that aborted and its smell reminded me of the Iman Pasand but the latter is 4x stronger than the former. If you like Alphonso then I think you will also like the creamy buttery  Pasand. For me, Iman Pasand is a very slow grow tree, perfect for those with small space.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Favorite Insect
« on: June 07, 2021, 06:39:24 PM »
but I am sick of spraying my trees every damned day just to see new mealybugs appear the next morning.

Do you have the master ants that herd those mealybugs like Cowboys in the West? Ants are the root cause in California.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Small fruit trees for shaded spaces
« on: June 07, 2021, 06:30:01 PM »
I was thinking that maybe some citrus (mandarines, lemons) in containers would be a good choice.... What do you guys think?

Citrus trees needs full sun. In shade, they will be cover with white flies and other bugs as the tree immune system is weak to ward off the bugs.

No fruits are good in shade. Sorry but maybe vegetable only.

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I would leave them alone -- healthy three will overcome the mold, but don't need to cover with bag.

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I made a tiny slit in the bag, and I've been using a water bottle to spray water in the bag and on the scions 2 - 3 times per day, then seal the bag where I made the slit.  I was concerned it would dry out, but wrapping with the buddy tape is probably better in case I'm unable to spray.

You are in the rain country and so there is no need for spraying water. I am in dry SoCal climate and never need such. Too much moisture under the cover bag could be the reason why some of your scions have the black mold -- bacteria.

Re the top branch, I would try to cut below all the nodes, or just have about 3 or 4 leaves remain for each graft. If needed, provide shake protection from strong hot sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur Mango
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:08:31 PM »
I really wanted a low trunk mango because of the power line above.

The power lines at least 20ft high, and so cut down at 4 or 5 ft above ground should be OK. No?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mutant Lemon Zest fruit?
« on: June 04, 2021, 09:59:19 PM »
This reminds me of my white sapote fruits -- a few of them in this double shape with mutual seeds in both halves.

Wonder if it has 2 seeds. Most twin mango fruits will drop off at thumb size.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mutant Lemon Zest fruit?
« on: June 04, 2021, 09:56:20 PM »
let the wife open it, keep at a distance

Then nothing left over after one minute :)

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Hi Sapote!  Thanks for chiming in.
I cut the new shoots off, but left some of the leaves above the graft to draw energy up.  Are you saying I need to cut more leaves off?

It seems you left too many nodes above the graft where the tree will try to push out new shoots. I would cut below all nodes and save any leaves below the last node. In SoCal there are leaves in between the nodes.

On the graft, I would use clear tape and tape up from bottom to top of the scion -- do leave about 2mm gap at the bottom of the coffin for any moisture to drain. Once I see the new buds I then carefully open the tape and then wrap around the buds and expose the buds but cover the remain scion.

pick off any new shoots not from the scion.

All your scions still have the chance.

I looked carefully at all your grafts: you have the scions not completely covered and this could dehydrate them. Cover them bottom to top but only leave about 2mm gap at the bottom for drainage.

Make sure to cut off the top branch below the last node. If no leaves below it, it's OK.

Last pic looks like there is new bud on the scion.  I think if you had cut off the top branch below the last node then the scions already have new shoots by now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What mango am I???
« on: June 03, 2021, 12:28:00 AM »
It is a Thai variety -- either NDM or Okrung Tong is my guess. The leaves photo would help.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top Tier Mango Reviews
« on: June 03, 2021, 12:24:04 AM »
@oolie, whats the easiest to open the seed husk. I'm always too close to cutting my self

Most of the time I opened them with my thumbs. For those harder hush, I used a small hand shear or prune and cut around the "seam" then open with thumbs. No knife as in oyster shells as it cut the embryo.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: May 26, 2021, 07:11:56 PM »
Did you wait until the seedling had flowers or fruits before grafting? If not it will slow down the growth as it is trying to make flowers. Most of my seedlings started to have flowers/fruits at 3 years old.

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