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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First guava
« on: September 16, 2021, 05:41:47 PM »
Size looks normal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 16, 2021, 04:27:14 PM »
When would planting in the ground be best for seedling grown mangoes?

Would you prep the soil with anything or just go ahead an plant?

My favorite time is June to mid September when night temp is 60F and above.  Favorite location for SoCal: Eastern side of the structure that will provide shade in the hot afternoon.
I planted the seeds directly on ground without even bending my back: place the seed (not de-hushed) on top of soil, cover it with 3" layer of leaves to keep the seed from drying out and the sun (in nature the falling seeds grow in the bush or thick much of leaves). Water the pile every day until 4" shoot appeared, then cut down to once per week. This direct in ground way save me from dealing with transplanting the long tap root seedlings, and I'm lazy.
The best time to start growing Mango Seedlings is April-June in SoCal based on my experience. I usually start them in 5-gallon pots. Move them up to seven-gallon containers a year later. Never tried to start mango seeds this late in the season. We are heading into the cool months soon and growth will stop by late November. Not sure how they will work for you. Pots are easier as you can move the small plants inside if necessary to keep them warm during the coldest periods. Greenhouses are better yet. Let us know how they work out. Hopefully, you will have some survivors. 


Would a seed taken from a ripe fruit at the end of september be viable until june or should i just risk planting it as soon as possible and baby it through winter?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 15, 2021, 06:01:58 PM »
If i manage to get a seed from the few mangoes that produced this year, should i plant it in ground right away, even though winter is just around the corner?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 10, 2021, 06:12:29 PM »
I had this conversation in a thread with Har a few years ago and we believe they are not true to seed. Since, I’ve fruited grafted and seedling Giant Yucatán in La Habra CA and I couldn’t tell the differences. I have 6-7 varieties ,1.5 year old seedling saramuyos, growing right now in CA and they’ve bloom this year….trees are too small to hold, maybe next year. Another added bonus is they are as cold hardy as cherimoyas and atemoyas in La Habra where sugar apples struggle.  Do a search in the forum on saramuyos and you’ll see the leaves totally different of any sugar apple. Saramuyos are supremely delicious as good as Aussies atemoyas and California cherimoyas. You can also see the leaves on my Instagram.

Do saramuyos need to be hand pollinated?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free emperor guava seedlings
« on: September 09, 2021, 10:52:36 AM »
Do you have a photo of the fruits and are they good tasting?

Sorry, I don't have a picture of the fruit.  It was given to me by a co-worker and was told it is emperor guava.  It is oval round, crunchy, white and very strong guava flavor.  I really like it and that is why I germinated the seeds.  I think I have 20 seedlings in total, but reserver 10 for friends and relatives.
Interesting. Do guavas produce true to seed?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 01:10:04 PM »
Hi Sapote,
Thank you for the heads up. I am about to start growing LZ in Southern Italy. Our summer sun is intense!. I will make sure to provide some shade.

Curious, how did you manage to get a lemon zest tree to Italy?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: August 27, 2021, 08:43:47 PM »
Im waiting for the xie shan graft to really take off. Seems sluggish on the tree i budded it to. The shiranui i grafted on the same day has fruit and has grown several feet tall. Last i counted it had 18 fruits.



One thing members can experiment with is to remove the early blooms or the early fruit set. You just have to ensure there is enough time and cold weather so that there will be a second or third bloom. You can tell ahead of time if the fruit are nubbins or not because of the more rounded shape and increased lenticils.


Where do you make the cuts for rebloom? Take off most of the panicle? Below the panicle but above the terminal bud (from where the panicle blooms? Or below the terminal bud?

Thanks for the replies. Hopefully the one still on the tree gets to size up without cracking

I had a sweet tart mango that was accidentally picked at a non optimal time. I tried to ripen it. The mango started wrinkling so i decided to cut it open and try it. It was very tart with a sour belt candy quality. I thought the sugar level would be low possibly under 10 brix. To my surprise the sugar level was 25 brix. My guess is the fruit was just so start that it masked the sweetness. I wanted to plant the seed, however, there was no seed inside the husk.

Has anyone experienced a husk with no seed inside?

Thanks for the recommendations. 

Papaya Tree Nursery does not have any cherimoyas yet but expect them soon.

Mimosa in Rosemead has Pierce, Booth, Honeyhart and Dr. White.   Atemoyas they have African Pride and Geffner.

Champa has Pierce, Orton, Dr. White, Shefer and Honeyhart.

I’ll check with Cal Poly Pomona when the nursery is staffed on Monday.

Thanks again everyone!

Email the nursery manager before going. The nurseryman might already know what will be sold. Their site says that cherimoyas will be up for sale in august through the website and then can be picked up curbside from the greenhouse. I went a couple weeks ago and didnt see any cherimoyas in their retail space.

pomona farm store nursery had el bumpo but they dont put them up for sale until august. Very nice plants.

Update on the bagging of the mangos. Unfortunately most of them have dropped both the bagged and un bagged. Also my sweet tart is now trying to bud out from the main trunk below the graft. Not sure what that is about.

Nice Goya626,

Honey kiss is a very productive variety in SoCal but it can be so productive that it doesn’t grow much if you let it hold too much fruit. Please keep us updated!


The honeykiss graft is on a potted tree, i dont expect it to grow much. Im hoping it keeps fruit so i can start seeds since according to my research honeykiss is polyembryonic.

These pics were taken yesterday.

Honeykiss not bagged

Honeykiss bagged

Parson bagged

Parson unbagged

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango
« on: May 03, 2021, 01:49:46 PM »
posted a couple pics.  what do you think?

Normal for flowers to dry and fall off after serving their purpose. Now its just a matter of waiting to see is if the panicles have any viable fruit.

I would thin that one out, otherwise the fruit will cluster like peaches, and there will be issues where the edges touch.

I've theorized that the best way to accelerate fruit development on mango would be to use paper/ waxpaper bags to encapsulate the fruit. Thank you for the data point.

Thanks for the reply.

I periodically open the bags and see if any are still dropping. I eventually want to end up with one fruit on each parson panicle but i am unsure that if i thin the one which the tree was going to hold im going to lose all of the fruit.

Anyone know if parson panicles are usually this short and if parson is mono or poly?

Does bagging mangos in a paper bag help the fruit develop quicker?

Pictured here is a honeykiss panicle i bagged and the mangos on it are significantly bigger than unbagged panicles that are from the same tree and variety and within  inches of each other.

The bagged panicles also have larger mangos on a parson graft on the same tree. The unbagged panicles have smaller mangoes.

Is this an established phenomenon?

Also on parson the panicles are really short compared to the other varieties is this normal? Note that it seems to want to hold alot of fruit.

Final question does anyone know of parson is mono or poly?


Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB pluot scions
« on: December 22, 2020, 02:22:59 PM »
Some are patented some aren't.

Here is a list compiled by the crfg oc chapter.

Edit: flavor grenades patent expired this year.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Question on Kishu mandarins
« on: December 14, 2020, 12:59:40 AM »
The biggest downside of the fruit is the size. The peeling doesn't bother me as much as the ratio of fruit to pith and membrane. The fruit cannot be consumed one segment at a time, it has to be eaten by popping the whole thing in your mouth and enjoying it.
For me, the small fruit size of Kishu is not an issue since they are effortless to peel. Very loose skin. You can easily snack on them.

I don't know what you mean when you say they cannot be consumed one segment at a time. I usually eat them one segment at a time. They are not difficult to separate. The segments are very small though so maybe it is just your finger size. Definitely would not be difficult for a child to eat.
Of course the fruit can be separated, im saying it shouldnt be for the best eating experience imo.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Question on Kishu mandarins
« on: December 11, 2020, 10:47:08 PM »
I have had a kishu mandarin for 5 or six years, the very first crop was horrible. Every other year has been good to great. This year i have been picking them since early November. The crop was high acid not much sweetness. Once the nights started getting colder the sweetness was increased. Right now the kishus are really good. They have high sweetness with a hint of acid. I started measuring the sweetness
last week and its ranged from 13-17brix with an average being 15. The fruits flavor varies widely depending on the stage of ripeness and how exposed the fruit is to the sun/elements. I ate 7-10 fruits today from different parts of the tree. The flavors range from a straight mild sweet sour flavor, rich pure sweetness, rich sweet and sour Mandarin flavor, and creamsicle flavor.
The biggest downside of the fruit is the size. The peeling doesn't bother me as much as the ratio of fruit to pith and membrane. The fruit cannot be consumed one segment at a time, it has to be eaten by popping the whole thing in your mouth and enjoying it.

Thanks for the responses hockey and johnny. I was hoping that early planting would allow for root development, which would allow the tree to flush out immediately. But it seems the wiser move is to keep it in its pot waiting for warmer weather.

Is it a good time to plant a mango tree right now? I usually wait until spring but im wondering if getting it in ground earlier will allow for the roots to develop before the first growth spurt in spring.

Also what is the lower limit of temp that a newly planted mango tree withstand?


Looking for them in 3 gallons in the sgv/LA county. Prefer fino de Jete but willing to consider the other varieties mentioned or other more rare cherimoyas (of equal quality). Thanks.

Edit: Variety was found in the cal poly nursery

Citrus General Discussion / Looking to expand citrus collection
« on: September 10, 2020, 11:40:49 AM »
Well not my citrus collection, a friend who asked me to help choose 5 varieties.

He sent me a list of what he currently has:

Shasta gold
Gold nugget
Bearss lime
Washington navel
Cara cara
Lane late navel
Xie shan
Okitsu wase

Looking for a lemon to use in marinating meat or to be paired with food. Bearss lime is a beast but lemons are more year round. The obvious choices are improved meyer lemon, Lisbon, and eureka. Not sure if meyer lemon would work as some describe it as sweet.

For the rest of the choices mandarin and their hybrids as well as oranges. Looking for flavor, uniqueness, and productivity. Secondary desirable characteristics include extended harvest season and season “non-peak” citrus season (may-october).


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