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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #75 on: June 04, 2021, 03:11:00 PM »
are there seedlings that never fruit? I got a plant some 9 years ago, didn't grow much and no fruits.

Of course, the problem with getting some small seedlings is sometimes you may have one with runt genetics but since you purchased it as the expected size its hard to weed out any weak characteristics. For 9 years I would say that one is definitely a runt/bottom of the liter pick.. that being said, if you don't mind you can try:

defoliating + light prune + liquid fertilizer + consistent watering - it should take about a month to start back up and if all goes well you should see very aggressive growth and possibly flowering - I just did this with my bonsai

I would suspect like simon said, that girdling may also trigger blooms, I will note something interesting that I've picked up from other bonsai growers w/pitangas..

They have experienced trees to bloom after heavy thick wiring around the trunk has been removed.. girdling may work in a similar mechanism.

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #76 on: June 04, 2021, 09:24:14 PM »
No, this is neither the sweet orange or black beauty from Ben.  That's what is currently listed on his website.  The fruit is red when fully ripen.  My friend grafted this onto a uniflora rootstock.  You can easily see the differences in the leaves.  Very elongated vs. the rootstock leaves.  Whatever it is, I really enjoy it.  Here is a pic from May:




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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #77 on: June 04, 2021, 09:50:53 PM »
This pic below shows the leaves from the grafted plant and the rootstock (upper left is the narrow leaves that my fruits are from and lower right are normal looking Surinam Cherry leaves from the rootstock).  Showing this because it clearly isn't a nutritional deficiency.  So beyond the lobeless fruit, the leaf structure is very different.  Nexxogen is correct with his assessment.  Pitanga-pebo.



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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2021, 02:02:18 AM »
This pic below shows the leaves from the grafted plant and the rootstock (upper left is the narrow leaves that my fruits are from and lower right are normal looking Surinam Cherry leaves from the rootstock).  Showing this because it clearly isn't a nutritional deficiency.  So beyond the lobeless fruit, the leaf structure is very different.  Nexxogen is correct with his assessment.  Pitanga-pebo.




It could be E. Pitanga then, nice, would love to buy scions sometime.. I really want to try this fruit and I'm pretty sure the one I purchased isn't actually E. Pitanga.. we should hold a pitanga tasting party sometime

Also kinda reminds me of http://fruitsandgardening.blogspot.com/2018/05/more-on-guaruja-red-surinam-cherry.html

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #79 on: June 07, 2021, 12:58:06 AM »
A member of this forum Miguel.pt sells Eugenia Pitanga seeds. This is where I've got mine from.

Another characteristic of this species is that it is very short - won't grow more than 2m high supposedly. It also defoliates during winter. Wikipedia actually describes it as "deciduous".

Nexxogen, thanks for the information! I had no idea there was a different species or subspecies of Surinam Cherry.

I don't even think it's correct to call this a species or subspecies of Surinam Cherry. I think it's simply another Eugenia which just happens to have fruits that look like Surinam Cherries.
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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #80 on: June 07, 2021, 10:10:49 AM »
Has anyone here tried top working and unproductive or undesirable plant? I have two that are shy bearers and that don't taste very good.

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #81 on: June 07, 2021, 11:10:45 AM »
Has anyone here tried top working and unproductive or undesirable plant? I have two that are shy bearers and that don't taste very good.

Works fine. I have marklee's 'driveway', regina seedling and the one i just mentioned all grafted over a poor tasting seedling.
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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #82 on: June 07, 2021, 11:35:45 AM »
Whenís the best time of year to graft Surinam Cherry here in So Cal? Thanks
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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2021, 01:06:09 PM »
Whenís the best time of year to graft Surinam Cherry here in So Cal? Thanks

I have grafted them at several different times of year, often with poor success. My only successful grafts have been in late Summer after it has cooled off, or early spring with the plant in a greenhouse to keep it cozy. I'm in 9b, so that causes some stress / cold issues during deep winter.

Personally I think the optimal time is early spring and that's when I had my most  consistent successes.

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2021, 09:59:36 PM »
Thanks K-Rimes!
Think Iím gonna give it a shot now, weatherís lookin pretty mild and my Zillís Dark tree is pushing lots of new growth but doesnít have any fruit on it since she ainít fruited yet, women...

The Zillís is from exotica nursery and the other Surinams I have in the ground are two runtz that are from seeds I grew from some tasty black skinned fruit I got from a big Surinam cherry grower named Thom.

Great looking trees and fruit everyone, I hope to add to the discussion sooner than later...

Zillís Dark tree


Runt 1


Runt 2

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2021, 12:18:05 AM »
Thanks K-Rimes!
Think Iím gonna give it a shot now, weatherís lookin pretty mild and my Zillís Dark tree is pushing lots of new growth but doesnít have any fruit on it since she ainít fruited yet, women...

The Zillís is from exotica nursery and the other Surinams I have in the ground are two runtz that are from seeds I grew from some tasty black skinned fruit I got from a big Surinam cherry grower named Thom.

Great looking trees and fruit everyone, I hope to add to the discussion sooner than later...


Thom in HB?

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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2021, 10:39:45 PM »
I decided to take a Brix reading from some of the smaller JM Thick Leaf fruit and I got a reading of 17.0% Brix. I will stop by Leo Manuelís place soon and test some fruit from his mature, in ground Vermillion.





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Here is one of the "thick leaf" Neitzel fruits. Very good taste, similar to the "black star" and "zills black".



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Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2021, 02:15:56 PM »
Here are some photos of my pitangas. I have so many more not shown. I have a couple Regina seedlings from Miguel, a few Zill's from achetadomestica and a few other randoms I can't recall. Sorry if the photos aren't clear, it's hard when everything is so green here


My fruitless Lolita with a Zill's graft in the centre


Grafted vermillion that produces prolifically


10' tall Black Star that is combo potted with a strawberry guava that is choking it out. I repotted them yesterday and I hope that the black star will come back a bit. It had a lot of branch die-off I think due to being root bound. It fruits rarely but it is the sweetest one I have.


10' tall red pitanga which I've never had a fruit from, it had many fruit on it when I bought it.


Zill's, black star, or seedlings from Argentina (the bigger pointy leaf ones in the back are the Argentine variety)


Chamba and Lolita from Exotica, no flowers yet


Lolita from Exotica that I grafted some of my vermillion onto

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