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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: simon_grow on March 07, 2022, 01:09:41 AM
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I’m starting this thread to track the progress of our Yangmei trees in the hopes of learning as much as we can about this exciting and delicious new fruit crop. I am especially interested in tracking the growth rate, fruiting season, identifying morphological characteristics (leaf shape, size, etc…) and fruit quality of the various varieties.
My understanding is that there may be some varieties that fruit a little earlier or later and it would make sense that there would be males out there that produce pollen earlier or later in the season as well. According to one article I read there are also some monoecious (hermaphrodite) trees out there.
Since this is such a new crop in North America, I would love to gather as much data as possible. Please feel free to post pictures of your trees, links to articles and share your success and failures. There is a lot of information out there but almost all the information is in regards to growing Yangmei in China and some of the information may not translate well to growing this crop in the US.
I recently started a new job so I don’t have as much time as I used to have but I will come back to this thread to post a lot more information and pictures as time permits.
Simon
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Here are some pictures of a variety called Wandao. This variety may ripen a little later than other varieties but ripening times in the US may be very different. The morphology of the leaves may be influenced by environmental factors and stage of growth of the tree so until we get a better understanding of how these trees grow in the US, we should use these pictures for informational purposes only.
Initial observation of the leaves indicate that the leaves may be more narrow. Some leaves have the serrations and some don’t. I have noticed that for many of the varieties, the leaves may or may not show serrations based on the growth stage.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c6jB1rSF/1-B9-C8358-8628-4-E8-E-A913-2-D3-CB3-E0-E7-A3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6jB1rSF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fS37jhx7/49-A50-EA4-09-D4-45-E7-A94-D-BC1-CF298-A2-F8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fS37jhx7)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SjjGpcwX/542-FDC0-D-BC48-4-A5-C-B024-F1-B2-DAAF4489.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SjjGpcwX)
This next variety is called Early Hard and it is supposed to be monoecious (hermaphrodite). Initial observations of the morphology of the leaves indicates it has wider leaves. I have observed both serrated and non serrated leaves on the same tree.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SJhjGh7y/8114-AE03-1-B29-4-D7-A-B31-B-9-B02-AF3-FB548.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SJhjGh7y)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnZThmFN/C88-BD59-E-EB5-B-4-E3-B-AD04-4-BFB5-BF66997.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnZThmFN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mtykX587/DA2-D154-D-779-B-4-AD1-8-B4-F-9-F03-CE5-FE2-E3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtykX587)
Simon
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this will even more popular than your mango thread..Simon.
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Wandao and Early Hard sound WOW! The cultivars keep piling on.
Here are some pics of Biqis finally waking up for spring:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wtKmBzKG/Yangmei-Biqi-A32022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtKmBzKG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XGLGxyrR/Yangmei-B32022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGLGxyrR)
Should I strip the leaves and wait for buds before trimming and grafting, as with mango or annona?
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this will even more popular than your mango thread..Simon.
WHOA NOW!!! Slow down there JT. ;) That is a big statement. That mango thread was magnificently popular! Just teasing you.
Thanks for starting this Simon. I share the excitement and look forward to adding to this post. As always, your efforts are very appreciated.
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Thanks Janet, Rob and Jeramy!
Rob, I have not found it necessary to strip the leaves. There are so many buds on the branches that you should have plenty of material to work with.
Brads tree was also starting to take off last time I saw it. I am very confident we will be able to grow and fruit this wonderful fruit in the US.
As I work more and more with Yangmei, I am getting the sense that they are much more hardy and easier to grow than we gave them credit for. Yes, it can be extremely time consuming and difficult to revive bare root trees from China but once you get the root system established, they grow like weeds.
There is at least one unidentified disease that causes rapid death in Yangmei trees and I haven’t figured out if it’s Bacterial, Viral or Fungal but this disease is one of the major issues we should be on the lookout for. The disease causes the leaves to dry up and remain attached to the stems. It seems to affect the vascular tissue.
Simon
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Here’s An Hai soft. An Hai soft is supposed to be better in terms of fruit quality compared to the regular An Hai.
(https://i.postimg.cc/750bVkqq/10-D42-C34-669-C-4588-9-BB1-83-A5-D3-E6-A5-E9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/750bVkqq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GHZHG2wM/3-E221-A7-C-4512-4859-98-A3-3-CA80-AF5-E78-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHZHG2wM)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzZRR8tB/D6326-F0-B-3-DF2-4-AEB-9509-90-C702-D996-B5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzZRR8tB)
Simon
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Here’s Improved Biqi. The Improved Biqi like the name implies is supposed to be an improvement over the regular Biqi. The regular Biqi is already an excellent tasting fruit so I’m very eager to try this newer selection.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5j47W4rk/21-AB567-B-4-A7-D-446-F-A953-79-CB43-ABB436.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5j47W4rk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sQcTGqMc/7-C74-E372-EF34-43-CB-988-B-7-D67-B128-F3-D5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQcTGqMc)
Like the regular Biqi, this variety appears to have slightly smaller leaves compared to varieties like An Hai and Dongkui.
Simon
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This variety is called White Honey. So far, it is the slowest growing variety. This may, or may not be the same as Crystal. We will have to fruit these to find out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nvMz187/47-F3-EA09-E4-D9-466-F-BBB4-AC5-B099-DDB83.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nvMz187)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GHcfzsNM/5-B7-D406-B-C39-A-460-C-8-BC3-F5-F1496752-EC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHcfzsNM)
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2x15FkF/EE6-A6-AE2-46-C8-4568-BBC7-67-E77-AA27-EB1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2x15FkF)
Simon
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Are these scions you acquired from overseas, Simon? Or are they whole trees? Seedlings?
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Found this from a 2015 post here on TFF:
"I have been using a biochar mix (char and coco coir)at at a ratio of 70/30 weighted to char. It has worked superbly.
Anyway, what I have noticed is that the yangmei's rooting habit is to grow deep, long, and very very thin fibrous roots which are extremely prone to rotting. The yangmei I had rooting in seed raising mix and sand at 50/50 have no grown anywhere near the kind of rootmass as the char mix. I assume this because they are too wet and are simply rotting off before they can form. They were all potted in the same style of pot and all received the same amount of watering.
So if you're trying to root bayberries-- totally free draining soil is essential! They are extremely sensitive to root rot."
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These are local trees. I may also be posting pictures of my seedlings so that we can compare growth rates. The more data we get, the better.
I’m not sure if the 2015 post is completely accurate.
My Yangmei roots are relatively thick and white, not stringy and as they mature, they lignify like regular tree roots and become tough. The white roots can be crispy and brittle like bean sprouts but I would not say they’re stringy.
Also, my roots were shallow and dense. They completely filled the pot from top to bottom.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kBQ4SQyG/12-D134-B4-128-B-4-F5-E-9-A8-A-3339-CC3451-EF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBQ4SQyG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mv2HXPVg/B56-AC452-A2-CE-4-A50-BCBC-415-ED9-BAFF7-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mv2HXPVg)
Simon
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Also, my roots were shallow and dense. They completely filled the pot from top to bottom.
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Simon
Kind of like fig roots, good to know.
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Very helpful images of the roots, thank you Simon. I went with pure peat moss for my batch this time, I hope it works.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/gwD1msmd/F54667-D1-8468-4-ABD-9-D86-FAD45-A70-C5-A1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwD1msmd)
Update: I found out that they did indeed identify 3 species of RKN: incognita, hapla and javanica
The roots here are what many of the trees had in this last group order and, from what I hear, previous group orders as well. I’m not sure how worried I should be because when they were inspected, nematodes were found and further testing had to be performed. In the end they released them, but I am not sure which nematodes are acceptable and not. It would be nice if Bill could get the report or their findings so we know more about what they tested for and their determinations. If these are Root Knot Nematodes, everyone should be aware of what they are working with.
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As a best practice, I prophylactically treated my trees with this product
(https://i.postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx/44-E6-A786-F8-A6-41-B5-A6-EA-C7-E07-A961979.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx)
When we received our trees in April 2021, I noticed what might have been RKN on the bare root trees so I looked under a microscope and dissected some of the galls and didn’t see any live nematodes.
Shortly after the shipment, I messed up and may have accidentally inoculated my soil with RKN thinking it was Frankia, still not sure but anyway, I used this product and waited about a month and then I used these beneficial nematodes
https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/5-million-live-beneficial-nematodes-sf-fungus-gnat-rootknot-gall-exterminator?variant=23323522563
As you can see by the pictures of my Yangmei roots, there is no sign of RKN.
It would be wise for all current and future Yangmei group buys to prophylactically treat their trees.
RKN thrives under certain conditions and some parts of Florida and California may have conditions where RKN can thrive. Under less than ideal conditions, RKN will not flourish and will not cause much of an issue but it’s always better to be safe than sorry.
Simon
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Can RKN be transferred through plant material other than roots? Can grafted material transfer RKN?
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Highly unlikely. It is transferred by root or contaminated soil. Runoff water from infected roots/soil can transfer RKN. I’m no RKN expert, I just did a lot of internet search last year.
If there’s a RKN expert, please chime in.
Simon
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It would be wise for all current and future Yangmei group buys to prophylactically treat their trees.
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Simon
Future group buy? ROFL!!!
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For those that can wait, I know there will be grafted trees for sale in the future. These trees will be grafted onto M Californica, Cerifera or seedling Rubra.
Simon
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As a best practice, I prophylactically treated my trees with this product
(https://i.postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx/44-E6-A786-F8-A6-41-B5-A6-EA-C7-E07-A961979.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx)
When we received our trees in April 2021, I noticed what might have been RKN on the bare root trees so I looked under a microscope and dissected some of the galls and didn’t see any live nematodes.
Shortly after the shipment, I messed up and may have accidentally inoculated my soil with RKN thinking it was Frankia, still not sure but anyway, I used this product and waited about a month and then I used these beneficial nematodes
https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/5-million-live-beneficial-nematodes-sf-fungus-gnat-rootknot-gall-exterminator?variant=23323522563
As you can see by the pictures of my Yangmei roots, there is no sign of RKN.
It would be wise for all current and future Yangmei group buys to prophylactically treat their trees.
RKN thrives under certain conditions and some parts of Florida and California may have conditions where RKN can thrive. Under less than ideal conditions, RKN will not flourish and will not cause much of an issue but it’s always better to be safe than sorry.
Simon
You mentioned seeing that there are no RKN on your yangmei roots. Did you post the roots from your trees from the last group order?
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I posted pictures of the trees roots after I pumped them up. I did not post pictures of the roots when I received them.
Simon
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I posted pictures of the trees roots after I pumped them up. I did not post pictures of the roots when I received them.
Simon
‘Pumped’?
Where is that post?
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I have been experimenting on Yangmei for the last year and I recently teamed up with a company to produce trees for sale so unfortunately it is proprietary information.
If you read through this thread
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=43270.0
There is a lot of information that I did share.
Simon
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I have been experimenting on Yangmei for the last year and I recently teamed up with a company to produce trees for sale so unfortunately it is proprietary information.
If you read through this thread
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=43270.0
There is a lot of information that I did share.
Simon
I’ll get through those 30 pages one day... but I was just curious what you meant by pumped. Not looking for proprietary info.
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Hi Simon,
Are you treated your trees after they survive and show new grow or treated them while they were recovering?
Thanks,
Al
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Hey Al, I treated them pretty early on. They were recovering but had started to grow some roots and leaves. The earlier you treat the trees, the better. The RKN goes through different life stages and grows and reproduce faster when the temperature is warmer or if your trees are on a heat pad.
For the beneficial nematodes that attack the RKN, I used several treatments just to be safe.
I used the Monterey Nematode Control first to quickly wipe out any living nematodes and then I waited several weeks to a month later before using the beneficial nematodes because I didn’t want to kill the beneficial nematodes with the residual Monterey Nematode Control.
The beneficial nematodes will be longer lasting and multiple applications will ensure that eggs laid at different times will be taken care of.
Simon
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Got it. Thank you very much Simon.....
From what I read online, the other method is grow French Marigold & Mustard green on the soil that infected by the RKN. For best results, cut the leafs and cover them with soil.
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Wonder if Myrica pensylvanica would be a good/compatible rootstock?
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Wonder if Myrica pensylvanica would be a good/compatible rootstock?
One way to find out! I got lots of scionwood!
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Pennsylvanica is supposed to be a compatible rootstock but based on the literature, it may be a smaller stature tree so it may grow slower or it may grow to a smaller size which may be beneficial. This is just anecdotal so please don’t quote me on this.
It will be very informative if a bunch of us tested grafts on Pennsylvanica.
Simon
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Pennsylvanica is supposed to be a compatible rootstock but based on the literature, it may be a smaller stature tree so it may grow slower or it may grow to a smaller size which may be beneficial. This is just anecdotal so please don’t quote me on this.
It will be very informative if a bunch of us tested grafts on Pennsylvanica.
Simon
I have a grafted tree that is supposedly on Pennsylvanica
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Here is my grafted from the last order in January. I grafted total of 8 scions on it and 5 of them are show growing. I got the rootstock from Brad last summer when I were at his house.
Brad, do you remember the variety of it?
(https://i.ibb.co/4FjnNZF/20220311-172133.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4FjnNZF) (https://i.ibb.co/4sZh9NT/20220311-172150.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4sZh9NT)
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Cerifera is fairly tollerent to RKN and flooding. Hopefully there is long term compatibility. That would open up a whole new world of possibilities here in Florida.
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M cerifeira is tough as nails here so far. Neglected 2 clusters of seedlings in pots. Let them dry out a couple of times. Ripped them apart and repotted. None of them died.
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Here is my grafted from the last order in January. I grafted total of 8 scions on it and 5 of them are show growing. I got the rootstock from Brad last summer when I were at his house.
Brad, do you remember the variety of it?
(https://i.ibb.co/4FjnNZF/20220311-172133.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4FjnNZF) (https://i.ibb.co/4sZh9NT/20220311-172150.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4sZh9NT)
If you got it from Brad, it’s probably Californica.
Simon
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Pennsylvanica is supposed to be a compatible rootstock but based on the literature, it may be a smaller stature tree so it may grow slower or it may grow to a smaller size which may be beneficial. This is just anecdotal so please don’t quote me on this.
It will be very informative if a bunch of us tested grafts on Pennsylvanica.
Simon
I have a grafted tree that is supposedly on Pennsylvanica
Awesome, maybe you can ask the grafter just to be sure. I intend to graft some Pennsylvanica in n the future but the Rubra, Californica and Cerifera are keeping me busy!
(https://i.postimg.cc/9r8SYkvb/5965-B575-769-A-445-A-B83-E-65-FD2-BD5-D1-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9r8SYkvb)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v44Kqzys/ECCBB3-E8-38-E0-4-BC4-B7-F3-D2-C25452977-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v44Kqzys)
Simon
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Galatians552 and Rob,
I do believe Cerifera will be an excellent rootstock and Florida has the advantage that it grows like weeds over there. You guys can easily top work some trees and get fruit in a couple years. Yangmei should grow like crazy in Florida because of the warm weather but I wonder how much cold stimulus it needs to fruit, if any?
Simon
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I read an old paper once where the University of Florida grew some from seed (they called it Red Bayberry). They grew and fruited in Gainesville, but the fruit quality was poor ("rubbery"). So, some part of Florida will have sufficient chill for them. Hopefully the quality issue will be fixed with grafted cultivars.
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I also read something regarding fruit quality from seedling trees being subpar and thus the propagation of the named cultivars. We could get lucky however so I’m keeping at least one branch from my seedling trees just in case the fruit is good quality.
Simon
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Apparently Cerifera is evergreen in zone 7. My question would be would the grafts survive around here. I will be waiting until I see some life before I consider grafting.
Simon, it looks like you are the Yangmei champion. What type of graft was most successful for you and what was your success rate? Did californica or cerifera have about the same success rate? My nursery has plenty of 3 gal cerifera so I am planning on experimenting later.
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Apparently Cerifera is evergreen in zone 7. My question would be would the grafts survive around here. I will be waiting until I see some life before I consider grafting.
Simon, it looks like you are the Yangmei champion. What type of graft was most successful for you and what was your success rate? Did californica or cerifera have about the same success rate? My nursery has plenty of 3 gal cerifera so I am planning on experimenting later.
I guess we should experiment with that in our zones. Based off of what I read, our zones seem like the northernmost edge for growing these trees. I want to trial some of these outside.
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Apparently Cerifera is evergreen in zone 7. My question would be would the grafts survive around here. I will be waiting until I see some life before I consider grafting.
Simon, it looks like you are the Yangmei champion. What type of graft was most successful for you and what was your success rate? Did californica or cerifera have about the same success rate? My nursery has plenty of 3 gal cerifera so I am planning on experimenting later.
Sorry but that information can’t be shared at this time because of my contract. Yangmei grafts are not difficult as long as the scions and rootstocks are healthy. Since you have access to a lot of Cerifera trees, I would recommend you try grafting with your preferred method and I’m sure you will have success.
Simon
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Beyond the 90 day stratification, any other helpful tips germinating M. Californica? Just got a couple hundred seeds to be used as root stock.
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Apparently Cerifera is evergreen in zone 7. My question would be would the grafts survive around here. I will be waiting until I see some life before I consider grafting.
Simon, it looks like you are the Yangmei champion. What type of graft was most successful for you and what was your success rate? Did californica or cerifera have about the same success rate? My nursery has plenty of 3 gal cerifera so I am planning on experimenting later.
Sorry but that information can’t be shared at this time because of my contract. Yangmei grafts are not difficult as long as the scions and rootstocks are healthy. Since you have access to a lot of Cerifera trees, I would recommend you try grafting with your preferred method and I’m sure you will have success.
Simon
Got it ;). Thanks!
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I didn’t sprout any Californica seeds, I bought a lot of rootstocks last year and have been using those for my experiments. My Californica rootstocks responded really well to fertilizers. They seem to be relatively drought tolerant but grows faster with frequent watering in dry weather.
Simon
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I found this website regarding why no fruit set for YangMei. It is in Chinese. If anyone interested, go check it out and Google translate it.
https://kknews.cc/news/b2oy2gn.html
Summary:
1. Fertilize cow/sheep manure three times a year, mid Feb, Mid May, and mid Aug.
2. 2 male trees for 50 - 60 female trees
3. Prune the tree in crown shape and let the tree expo to the sun.
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I found this website regarding why no fruit set for YangMei. It is in Chinese. If anyone interested, go check it out and Google translate it.
https://kknews.cc/news/b2oy2gn.html
Summary:
1. Fertilize cow/sheep manure three times a year, mid Feb, Mid May, and mid Aug.
2. 2 male trees for 50 - 60 female trees
3. Prune the tree in crown sharp and let the tree expo to the sun.
Might I assume that "in crown sharp" means "in crown shape"?
Ok, so
1. Fertilize with some nitrogen
2. Have a male (but must they be the same cultivar)
3. Prune tree in crown shape sounds like how you do a stone fruit where you take out the central leader to promote the side shoots.
That's some good info pinkturtle. :D
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I found this website regarding why no fruit set for YangMei. It is in Chinese. If anyone interested, go check it out and Google translate it.
https://kknews.cc/news/b2oy2gn.html
Summary:
1. Fertilize cow/sheep manure three times a year, mid Feb, Mid May, and mid Aug.
2. 2 male trees for 50 - 60 female trees
3. Prune the tree in crown sharp and let the tree expo to the sun.
Might I assume that "in crown sharp" means "in crown shape"?
Ok, so
1. Fertilize with some nitrogen
2. Have a male (but must the be the same cultivar)
3. Prune tree in crown shape sounds like how you do a stone fruit where you take out the central leader to promote the side shoots.
That's some good info pinkturtle. :D
Oh wow, you need same cultivar in male?? Not sure if that makes sense. Let’s say you develop a new variety. How would you have both a male and female of that variety?
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Great information,
Exposure to sun affects the DLI (Daily Light Integral) so that makes sense and opening up the canopy by removing the central leader will help keep the fruiting wood lower and will make for easier picking.
If you watch the Chinese Yangmei videos, you will see these trees on (I assume) Rubra rootstock gets huge. Pruning the trees to create an open vase/center may keep the trees more manageable although my trees have so far naturally formed a low umbrella shaped canopy.
In terms of treatment of Yangmei trees, I see some similarities with Yangmei and my other favorite fruit the Lychee. Both Lychees and Yangmei ( as with many trees) seem to benefit from a nice thick mulch layer and they can both have associations with beneficial organisms in their rhizosphere so taking care of the beneficial organisms by creating a dynamic mix of decomposed plant materials of different sizes and stages of decomposition will create an insulating layer of mulch to insulate the rhizosphere and its organisms from extreme shifts in temperature and humidity.
Both Lychees and Yangmei seem to benefit from occasional supplements with Iron.
Simon
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No,
I could be completely wrong but I believe that there is no need for specific male trees.
For example, you don’t need a female and male Dongkui to get fruit. You just need a female, or hermaphrodite, and a male that produces pollen around the same time.
I’ve done a lot of searching and have not heard about specific male Dongkui, male Biqi, male an Hai and male crystal trees. I personally believe it is a marketing gimmick. Nothing I have found online talks about these specific male trees.
I am very interested in the time of year everyone’s male trees bloom and I would love to collect the data from everyone that purchased Specific male trees so please post your variety name and when it blooms once your trees are mature enough.
My understanding is that the Yangmei season is relatively short and most varieties bloom at approximately the same time. Sure, some will bloom a little earlier or later but I assume just about any male and female combination will give you fruit once your trees are mature enough.
I assume varieties with larger fruit like Dongkui will ripen slightly later and smaller varieties like Biqi May ripen slightly earlier but this is just my guess.
Simon
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I agree with Simon, there is no need for specific male tree.
I don't see any sentence or statement from the article need specific male tree. It just said need a male tree.
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I am going to plant some French Marigold & Mustard green on YangMei pot. Let hope for the best.
(https://i.ibb.co/6yZf0FQ/20220313-151425.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6yZf0FQ)
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I am going to plant some French Marigold & Mustard green on YangMei pot. Let hope for the best.
(https://i.ibb.co/6yZf0FQ/20220313-151425.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6yZf0FQ)
Food grade hydrogen peroxide might actually work.
http://www.plantprotection.pl/Interaction-of-root-knot-nematode-Meloidogyne-javanica-and-tomato-as-affected-by,91339,0,2.html
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This is my biqi (the fastest growing one I have). I didn't pay attention to the root when I received my batch of trees. What are the symptoms to the tree when they have RKN?
As a best practice, I prophylactically treated my trees with this product
(https://i.postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx/44-E6-A786-F8-A6-41-B5-A6-EA-C7-E07-A961979.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx)
When we received our trees in April 2021, I noticed what might have been RKN on the bare root trees so I looked under a microscope and dissected some of the galls and didn’t see any live nematodes.
Shortly after the shipment, I messed up and may have accidentally inoculated my soil with RKN thinking it was Frankia, still not sure but anyway, I used this product and waited about a month and then I used these beneficial nematodes
https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/5-million-live-beneficial-nematodes-sf-fungus-gnat-rootknot-gall-exterminator?variant=23323522563
As you can see by the pictures of my Yangmei roots, there is no sign of RKN.
It would be wise for all current and future Yangmei group buys to prophylactically treat their trees.
RKN thrives under certain conditions and some parts of Florida and California may have conditions where RKN can thrive. Under less than ideal conditions, RKN will not flourish and will not cause much of an issue but it’s always better to be safe than sorry.
Simon
(https://i.postimg.cc/9D8vc00c/IMG-20220311-103739757-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9D8vc00c)
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All,
I moved this list from the "Yangmei bud swelling thread".
Recommendations so far:
1. Humidity: High Humidity
2. Temp: Warm temp at or around 70 degrees F for soil temps
3. Planting medium: Spagnum
4. Pot size: 3 gal
5. Watering regime: Allow plants to dry between watering
6. Light: Full light for mature plants Diffuse light for dormant
7. Fertilize Fertilize with nitrogen(manure)
8. Pollination Have a male for females
9. Pruning Prune tree in crown shape
Anybody else who has had some success feel free to chime in. Please make corrections if you feel there is an error.
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This is my biqi (the fastest growing one I have). I didn't pay attention to the root when I received my batch of trees. What are the symptoms to the tree when they have RKN?
As a best practice, I prophylactically treated my trees with this product
(https://i.postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx/44-E6-A786-F8-A6-41-B5-A6-EA-C7-E07-A961979.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1n9vPxYx)
When we received our trees in April 2021, I noticed what might have been RKN on the bare root trees so I looked under a microscope and dissected some of the galls and didn’t see any live nematodes.
Shortly after the shipment, I messed up and may have accidentally inoculated my soil with RKN thinking it was Frankia, still not sure but anyway, I used this product and waited about a month and then I used these beneficial nematodes
https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/5-million-live-beneficial-nematodes-sf-fungus-gnat-rootknot-gall-exterminator?variant=23323522563
As you can see by the pictures of my Yangmei roots, there is no sign of RKN.
It would be wise for all current and future Yangmei group buys to prophylactically treat their trees.
RKN thrives under certain conditions and some parts of Florida and California may have conditions where RKN can thrive. Under less than ideal conditions, RKN will not flourish and will not cause much of an issue but it’s always better to be safe than sorry.
Simon
(https://i.postimg.cc/9D8vc00c/IMG-20220311-103739757-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9D8vc00c)
I don’t know the exact symptoms as it relates to Yangmei but internet research says you can expect decreased productivity, poor growth of the tree, general decline in the health of the tree and in extreme cases, death of the tree.
Simon
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All,
I moved this list from the "Yangmei bud swelling thread".
Recommendations so far:
1. Humidity: High Humidity
2. Temp: Warm temp at or around 70 degrees F for soil temps
3. Planting medium: Spagnum
4. Pot size: 3 gal
5. Watering regime: Allow plants to dry between watering
6. Light: Full light for mature plants Diffuse light for dormant
7. Fertilize Fertilize with nitrogen(manure)
8. Pollination Have a male for females
9. Pruning Prune tree in crown shape
Anybody else who has had some success feel free to chime in. Please make corrections if you feel there is an error.
The planting medium can be just about anything that has good drainage. You should be familiar with the planting medium and also be familiar with the perched water table and water/air holding capacity of the soil.
As with all my amended soils if I want to increase drainage or aeration, I add pumice instead of vermiculite or perlite.
Simon
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Good to keep in mind for the future.
First paragraph of that Chinese page
The 5 reasons why plants don’t fruit:
1. Lack of light
2. Soil too rich
3. Weather
4. Age
5. Lack of males
The pruning stuff in that page is all about reducing the tree size and increasing sun exposure. It says things like remove large branches and keep small ones. Remove verticals and keep horizontals. Remove outers and keep inners. Girdle branches 4ft away from the growing tip for better fruits. Pretty much practices that won’t apply to your trees for the first several years until they’re pretty big.
It also says to spray the crown with Paclobutrazol to control the tree height, which wears off after a few years. Okay to reapply consecutively.
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I thought the male trees were just grafted trees where the grafts died off. It’s standard nursery practice to call seedlings males. If you remember Marta’s germination numbers, it’s actually around 50% males. So your male trees could turn out to be female if my guess is correct.
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I sure hope that’s not what the nursery was selling. I believe the nursery was selling purposefully grafted male Dongkui, Biqi, An Hai and Crystal.
Fang, have you read anything about males of these varieties? I know Dongkui is supposed to produce both male and female flowers as it get more mature but I have not heard of specific male only varieties of these trees.
The literature just talks about male trees in general.
Simon
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I thought the male trees were just grafted trees where the grafts died off. It’s standard nursery practice to call seedlings males. If you remember Marta’s germination numbers, it’s actually around 50% males. So your male trees could turn out to be female if my guess is correct.
Yes, my seedling Yangmei ratio was exactly 2 males and 2 females.
Simon
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Simon,
Is there a specific reason you don’t use perlite and vermiculite? I use pumice, perlite, and vermiculite in my container mixes. The vermiculite retains moisture and readily absorbs water, which helps to offset the hydrophobic properties of peat when the soil dries out. I also like perlite because it is lightweight and I have some large containers that can get too heavy for me when using pumice alone.
Janet
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Hi I’m looking for a few or more people who are ready to have their trees sexed. I have a sucker growing from one of my trees and I’d really like to know if it’s a male or female. For the sexing, she needs 10 samples to run the assay, it is $200 for 10 samples, or one run. She can run one sample for $200. It is about the reagents and supplies' costs, that’s why I’d like to find a few more people who want to check their plants too and split the run cost. I’m ready to do it ASAP. Thanks
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This is my Biqi from Kens group buy last year, I planted it in the ground a couple months ago mid January, they really start to take off once they’re in the ground and it’s started to flush nicely in the last couple weeks.
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Simon,
Is there a specific reason you don’t use perlite and vermiculite? I use pumice, perlite, and vermiculite in my container mixes. The vermiculite retains moisture and readily absorbs water, which helps to offset the hydrophobic properties of peat when the soil dries out. I also like perlite because it is lightweight and I have some large containers that can get too heavy for me when using pumice alone.
Janet
Hey Janet,
I use pumice instead of the other because it does not float when watered and also because it is much heavier. When used in pots, the heavier weight prevents plants from blowing over in high winds.
Simon
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I don’t know much about males of named varieties. That’s why I was guessing they’re just rootstocks with failed grafts. But I’m not positive of this either, just guessing.
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I ordered one grafted Biqi male. There is no visible graft, it looks like rootstock growth from a failed graft that rotted.
Janet
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Janet, post a picture. Just to be sure, you can send out a leaf for DNA analysis to determine if it’s a male or female.
Simon
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Janet,
I read that the male trees could be rootstocks from failed female grafts.
Please see page 8, reply #175 of this thread:
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45912.175
If the males are non grafted seedlings, how do they have specific male versions of Dongkui, Biqi, Crystal, etc…?
Also, if they’re seedlings, how do they know it’s male unless they bloom at a very young age?
Simon
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My 3 males appears grafted. All 3 appears to be pushing growth.
The nematodes issue is unfortunate and a headache to think about. I began treatment on them. I just hope I haven't contaminated my yard with root knot nematodes.
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My guess is the named males are a mix of seedlings of named cultivars, and some of the male trees may have been grafted from proven males.
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The only thing I could think of would be that the males have the same bloom period as the named varieties. I'm not sure how else you would end up with named male varietals.
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Males are seedlings,
some of them have failed female grafts on them, This was confirmed by Bill for at least the first order
as for the cultivar, you eat the fruit, you plant the seed, it is either male of female of that cultivar
Based on the level of trees we were ordering I am betting these are grown as monocrops in various areas and intervariant pollination, while possible, is unlikely
Bloom times would likely align better with a male and female of each cultivar but I am not sure how long the bloom season is and whether or not this is really anything to be concerned about
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Here are couple pics of my “male biqi”
(https://i.postimg.cc/T50WhB9Q/8904-DD7-B-0-B66-4-FFC-B3-D2-B36-EC0242514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T50WhB9Q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zH8gzqnV/A6-B80-E35-F3-B9-4-AD4-BFAB-BACD3-C748463.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zH8gzqnV)
As you can see in the pics, top growth had rotted and no visible graft. Not sure if any of the named males were actually selected cultivars and grafted or just random seedlings. I doubt they would have done genetic tests on random seedlings. I will send mine to Marta to confirm the sex but I’m waiting for my seedlings to grow and to see if any of my grafted trees have rootstock growth.
Marta sent me five seeds last summer and they all sprouted. They were in full sun on my deck until last week. They got a little stressed looking after the recent Santa Ana winds or maybe something else. For the first few weeks, they were fine in full sun. I noticed the bottom leaves started dying after I watered them with rain water after the drying winds. One got munched by a caterpillar. They are doing better in the shade under my banana for humidity and after letting soil dry out a bit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jnnP3MQh/AD86-A4-BE-51-A6-4-FFB-955-A-AEF725-B21-B0-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnnP3MQh)
Janet
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So here's my guess about how to make male DongKui plants. You take a lot of seedlings, graft DongKui onto all of them, wait a while to see which ones took. The ones that took are female DongKui, the ones that failed are male DongKui. Then you recommend growers buy 6 male plants per 100 females so they'll have actual males.
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Unfortunately you guys are correct. Mine still had those plastic tape grafts on them and as unwrap them and inspected further they were all failed grafts. So not really 3 males, just 3 seedlings hopefully one of them is a male.
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They are confirmed males IIRC
Presumably female seedlings do not need to be grafted and are grown out as true trees but who knows
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So here's my guess about how to make male DongKui plants. You take a lot of seedlings, graft DongKui onto all of them, wait a while to see which ones took. The ones that took are female DongKui, the ones that failed are male DongKui. Then you recommend growers buy 6 male plants per 100 females so they'll have actual males.
Fang, that is a very plausible explanation.
On a side note, the hunt for male trees is no longer a limiting factor for our shared dream of fruiting Yangmei in our orchards. There are plenty of male and female trees out there and even if half of them don’t make it, there should still be hundreds of trees that will survive.
What I’ve experienced is that Yangmei is difficult to recover from bare rooting but once it recovers, it grows like a weed.
We should start focusing on gathering data about the different varieties, when they bloom, how long till fruit maturation, fruit size, fruit quality, etc…
I will post some new articles/videos or re post some of the articles I may have posted in another thread and discuss some important points regarding Yangmei.
Simon
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My 3 males appears grafted. All 3 appears to be pushing growth.
The nematodes issue is unfortunate and a headache to think about. I began treatment on them. I just hope I haven't contaminated my yard with root knot nematodes.
It’s good that you treated already, the sooner you treat, the better. After chemical treatment, let the chemicals wash out and then I highly recommend multiple inoculations with beneficial nematodes that attack RKN.
Simon
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My guess is the named males are a mix of seedlings of named cultivars, and some of the male trees may have been grafted from proven males.
Rob and Nate,
That mss as he’s sense as well. The grafted males must be males that are proven to produce good pollen, perhaps it’s the male trees they use at the local orchards for their pollination.
Simon
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Males are seedlings,
some of them have failed female grafts on them, This was confirmed by Bill for at least the first order
as for the cultivar, you eat the fruit, you plant the seed, it is either male of female of that cultivar
Based on the level of trees we were ordering I am betting these are grown as monocrops in various areas and intervariant pollination, while possible, is unlikely
Bloom times would likely align better with a male and female of each cultivar but I am not sure how long the bloom season is and whether or not this is really anything to be concerned about
If they are seedlings Dongkui for example, how do they know if it’s male or female? The rootstocks appear to be 2-3 years old and some of the literature says that it could take up to 10 years to fruit although some may bloom much earlier than that.
Whatever the male trees are, it will be very interesting to track their progress and document their bloom times.
Simon
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Everything has buds on it…I believe my factors of success is the timing (spring) with the parafilm with the greenhouse. I have them up on a table and sitting in buckets/trays so no wormies escape. What worries me is I potted them up and watered them…then I sat them down on the greenhouse floor and water (just a little) was probably dripping out. I don’t think they spread though?? Anyways I’m going to try to treat them. I heard you can send off a sample to the state ag department for testing ($25 per sample here) or you can take some soil you think has worms and plant melons in it…after three weeks there should be galls/no galls on the melon roots. My soil is heavy clay so the worms should have trouble anyway. I read that the hapla sp. of worms do better in cooler climates… whereas the others like warmer climates. (Ca and Fl)
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Congratulations on your success! Feel free to post pictures on this thread.
One word of caution is that if you’re using parafilm or Buddytape to hold in the moisture, I remove the film as soon as I start seeing buds. I like to remove the film before they brake through because they form so many buds, it becomes extremely difficult to remove the film later on.
Simon
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Here is a link that shows Morella rubra and it’s close relatives. Notice that M. adenophora and M. nana are more closely related than Cerifera. Out of the Morella Genus, rubra is said to produce the best there fruit but some of its close relatives may also produce some excellent quality fruit. There may be some good genetic material to work with if someone wanted to improve the eating qualities of Yangmei or if there was a need to improve disease or pest resistance.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bayesian-phylogeny-and-divergence-time-estimation-of-Morella-Node1-and-node2-represent_fig10_282568640
Simon
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This Australian article has lots of great information and data points from plants grown in China. Of special interest is the timeline of root growth, shoot growth, physiological/morphological flower bud differentiation, flowering and ripening times.
Most of the literature out there shows that Yangmei typically grow in acidic soils but so far my plants have been able to handle my hard city water and soils that are higher in pH.
https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/05-081.pdf
Simon
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Here is a rare Yangmei video with English subtitles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLjHjiUM9E
Simon
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This Australian article has lots of great information and data points from plants grown in China. Of special interest is the timeline of root growth, shoot growth, physiological/morphological flower bud differentiation, flowering and ripening times.
Most of the literature out there shows that Yangmei typically grow in acidic soils but so far my plants have been able to handle my hard city water and soils that are higher in pH.
https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/05-081.pdf
Simon
So far, Biqi is growing nicely on high ph limestone with thin layer of soil.
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Here is a link that shows Morella rubra and it’s close relatives. Notice that M. adenophora and M. nana are more closely related than Cerifera. Out of the Morella Genus, rubra is said to produce the best there fruit but some of its close relatives may also produce some excellent quality fruit. There may be some good genetic material to work with if someone wanted to improve the eating qualities of Yangmei or if there was a need to improve disease or pest resistance.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bayesian-phylogeny-and-divergence-time-estimation-of-Morella-Node1-and-node2-represent_fig10_282568640
Simon
I'm excited to work M. esculenta into my block and hopefully do some crosses
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This Australian article has lots of great information and data points from plants grown in China. Of special interest is the timeline of root growth, shoot growth, physiological/morphological flower bud differentiation, flowering and ripening times.
Most of the literature out there shows that Yangmei typically grow in acidic soils but so far my plants have been able to handle my hard city water and soils that are higher in pH.
https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/05-081.pdf
Simon
So far, Biqi is growing nicely on high ph limestone with thin layer of soil.
Rob, that’s great news. This is the kind of data that we need to keep track. If we can get specific soil pH values, that would be even better. This will be important when our trees start producing fruit. I want to compare yields and fruit quality between trees grown in different pH soils.
Rob, in your limestone soil, you may want to give occasional drenches of chelated iron and when it comes time to fruiting, you may want a bit of Boron in your fertilizer regimen.
Simon
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Thanks Simon! I have those on hand and will experiment.
Have been meaning to have soil analyzed anyway. Will share results when finally get around to it.
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Here is a link that shows Morella rubra and it’s close relatives. Notice that M. adenophora and M. nana are more closely related than Cerifera. Out of the Morella Genus, rubra is said to produce the best there fruit but some of its close relatives may also produce some excellent quality fruit. There may be some good genetic material to work with if someone wanted to improve the eating qualities of Yangmei or if there was a need to improve disease or pest resistance.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bayesian-phylogeny-and-divergence-time-estimation-of-Morella-Node1-and-node2-represent_fig10_282568640
Simon
I'm excited to work M. esculenta into my block and hopefully do some crosses
Nate, you are a great resource and it will be awesome to see some Rubra hybrids. I’m betting some of the Yangmei varieties out there are already hybrids because M rubra is generally considered diocious but some varieties produce both male and female flowers so sometime ago, they may have been natural crosses with species like M faya that have been found, sometimes, to be monoecious.
Check out this link
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277028420_Genetic_diversity_of_male_and_female_Chinese_bayberry_Myrica_rubra_populations_and_identification_of_sex-associated_markers/fulltext/582f439f08ae102f072f3331/Genetic-diversity-of-male-and-female-Chinese-bayberry-Myrica-rubra-populations-and-identification-of-sex-associated-markers.pdf?origin=publication_detail
Simon
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Tested soil with bs ph meter.
Tried FF Ocean Forest for test. ph reading was 7.0. Online lists ph levels as 6.3 - 6.8
Soil in my yard is registering as 8.0 - 9.0, but I don't trust this meter much.
Hard to say how much the roots have grown beyond the dirt filled holes. As they get into the limestone more, could see some issues. Will be interesting to see how other varieties fare as well. WuSu will be the next going in-ground.
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Hey Rob,
The stick meters with the moisture/pH meters are not very accurate.
If your soil pH is truly 8-9, you may want to try grafting onto Cerifera and Californica sooner rather than later. At least your plants are looking great so far!
Simon
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My multi grafted and rooted cutting from Jan's ordered. 4 out 8 for grafted and 1 out 5 for cuttings. Some of the cuttings still green.
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Glad to see some signs of life here. I’m being patient and not watering much or fertilizing. It’s taking awhile compared to others but I’m ok to be a little slow.
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Grafted 8 cuttings with March ordered with 2 CM rootstocks. 8 of them are swelling, a lot faster than the Jan's ordered. Maybe warmer weather help.
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Only BC show grow for the March's ordered.
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Pinkturtle, that’s great progress on your plants so far. Having these Yangmei grafted onto alternative rootstocks should prevent the RKN from spreading assuming the rootstocks are clean.
K-Rimes, that last one looks dead. Hopefully your other ones will pull through.
Simon
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It is dead up top, but green bark below on that last one. Hoping for good luck and it pulls through
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So from the first buy of 2022
Late Growing..I made the mistake of putting it outside too early. I put it under shade outside with direct sun for 3 hours a day and the bud shriveled. It is now back indoor.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCzRrHGR/IMG-20220327-142745912-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCzRrHGR)
Biqi..same mistake with late growing too much outside direct sun early. Now it is under shade but outdoor.
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhtJBx4q/IMG-20220327-143304962-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhtJBx4q)
Dong Kui Female is growing beautifully. It is outdoor under shaded and also being shaded by a potted avocado plant.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JH5W3NXD/IMG-20220327-143427589.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JH5W3NXD)
As for the second buy, only Dong Kui Male is showing bud growth and ready to leaf out. The others .. the buds are swelling but no leaf so far.
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Seeing action…just need a little more time.
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Janet, your trees are looking like they are recovering nicely and their roots must be starting to grieve out, at least for the one with leaves.
Jaboticaba45, those buds look promising.
I know that fruiting our Yangmei still seems very far off but I found this video to entertain us for the time being. The plant doesn’t look very healthy but it’s cool to see a relatively small Yangmei tree in a pot holding fruit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFCWhuQAsQ
Simon
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Here's a few videos that I think you guys might like that I found on Youtube from Japan. FYI the third video has auto-translated closed captioning.
https://youtu.be/6KgQqMtJBsQ (https://youtu.be/6KgQqMtJBsQ) - Harvesting bayberry [pesticide-free, organic farming] (ヤマモモの収穫【無農薬・有機栽培】)
https://youtu.be/wwjpVlkBIlY (https://youtu.be/wwjpVlkBIlY) - Pruning of bayberry [pesticide-free, organic farming] (ヤマモモの剪定【無農薬・有機栽培】)
https://youtu.be/J2cXg6Qk_Zo (https://youtu.be/J2cXg6Qk_Zo) - About bayberry! It wouldn't bear fruit without a male strain... It has come to fruition! (ヤマモモについて！オス株がないと実がつかないが．．．かなり結実しました！)
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Bob_tu, thanks for the links to the videos!
Simon
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I set something up today I would like to get you opinion on Simon-
It is crawfish boil season down here and last night we were fortunate to get two giant plates for free-
I was looking at all of the discard and since I am always thinking plants of course composting came to mind but then I was thinking about the RKN and besides treating with nematodes what might be a good way to promote chitin eating bacteria? I remembered this recipe for Liquid Fish Aminos back in the day similar to this one https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/SA-12.pdf
So i soaked the discard to get rid of any salts and seasoning, crushed it with my boot in a 5gal bucket, mixed in 1:1 sugar and put rocks on top to provide some pressure and give it a bit of anaerobia
I will heavily dilute the final product right before application to any plants but the idea is chitin eating bacteria will flourish in these conditions and then can be used as a liquid fertilizer
Thoughts?
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elouicious, that is beyond my area of expertise.
I don’t like any anaerobic conditions in the rhizosphere and I like my bacteria and fungi to be balanced. That much sugar may tilt the balance towards one or another.
To increase chitinase, I inoculated my soil with red worms. Their droppings have chitinase.
Simon
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“Female” biqi is taking off, maybe will move it outdoors to greenhouse soon. The rest I am unsure of, green all the way to tip of branch but no buds or signs thereof. I wrapped them all in buddy tape to emulate my one success and in doing this will quit with running the humidifier
1/4 is better than 0/4 anyways
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Grafted a Wusu branch and it busted out with a big ol flower raceme!
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBY9Yyn1/20220408-175525.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBY9Yyn1)
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Grafted a Wusu branch and it busted out with a big ol flower raceme!
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBY9Yyn1/20220408-175525.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBY9Yyn1)
Nattyfroootz, That’s awesome! I’m glad these grafted trees have the potential to flower soon.
I bet I’ll be the first person to fruit this in TN! Anyone in TN want to make a bet??? ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/py3Fb7H8/3-D49625-D-6803-4761-807-C-11-B7-F225-A395.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/py3Fb7H8)
Here’s my black crystal.
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K-rimes, looking good so far. The top growth is an indicator that there may be some new roots starting to grow. When you see the branches start elongating, that’s a more definitive sign that there are new roots growing.
Nate, nice flowers! I did some experimental grafts with scions that were already induced to bloom and the grafts were significantly lower quality than when grafting with scions that were in vegetative mode.
Jaboticaba45, maybe try to plant a few Cerifera, Californica or Pennsylvanica rootstocks around your yard and see if they survive. That way, you don’t have to risk the Yangmei.
Simon
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Here’s a seedling I got from Nate about 9 months ago. When I received it, it was about 3-4 inches tall.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2LZw6D9v/9-A9-BFFF5-2-EB5-4230-A5-CA-1-CEBA7-F58779.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2LZw6D9v)
(https://i.postimg.cc/c6gTTR1H/C3-A9-E659-22-F9-41-A6-A280-96955-B7157-AB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6gTTR1H)
This tree is now 32 inches tall with multiple branches. It survived fine left outside all Winter and easily survived a couple nights of light frost. It also survived todays heat wave of about 95-98F.
(https://i.postimg.cc/18nq1HTn/2-E0-A958-A-BFF0-4-C14-972-E-719-DB1460-E01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18nq1HTn)
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Best thing about the seedlings is that there’s no worry about Nematodes. I recently up potted this tree and here’s what the roots look like.
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Simon
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I want discuss something here that I’ve been hesitant to bring up.
With all these trees imported from China, we should assume they are all infected with RKN. Wether or not you actually see the galls, it is best to treat your trees as if they do have RKN.
RKN is a Serious issue and I’m absolutely shocked how lightly people are taking this. I’ve spoken with many forum members and many people did not treat their trees even though this last order, and probably all the other orders, had RKN.
RKN is a serious threat to our gardens. Once you get RKN established in your soil, they are difficult if not impossible to completely get rid of them.
They stunt or kill vegetables and can decrease productivity in woody plants.
I’m not telling people not to purchase trees from China but if you do purchase trees from China, treat them for RKN regardless if you see galls or not. Even if there is not a single gall detected out of 500-1000 trees, I would still treat them. RKN is microscopic and they may not have formed galls yet and there can also be RKN eggs.
Nursery owners are well aware of the horrible issues associated with RKN and some states even have restrictions that nurseries that ship plants must grow their plants raised off the ground.
I have a friend that has RKN in their yard and his tomatoes and fig was severely infected. His tomatoes looked horribly stunted and his fig tree was growing a lot slower than it should be. He pulled up one of his tomatoes to show me the roots and it looked like the same galls from the Yangmei trees from the last group buy.
With the popularity of Yangmei, I don’t want RKN spreading in all of our gardens. I’m not saying don’t buy the trees, just please treat your trees just in case. Any soil, water or tools that have come into contact with infected trees should be thoroughly disinfected or discarded in the case of soil.
RKN is absolutely horrible and you may not notice symptoms until many years down the road when the RKN population has thoroughly established and by that time, it’s probably too late to eliminate them. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
Simon
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Is it possible that RKN can even be totally eliminated? From my understanding it's practically impossible to eliminate?
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In a small yard, it may be possible with repeated treatments with chemicals, wether organic or synthetic, combined with multiple applications with beneficial nematodes. You can also solarize your soil with black plastic but the temps required may kill the shallow roots of plants in the area being treated.
Simon
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I want discuss something here that I’ve been hesitant to bring up.
With all these trees imported from China, we should assume they are all infected with RKN. Wether or not you actually see the galls, it is best to treat your trees as if they do have RKN.
RKN is a Serious issue and I’m absolutely shocked how lightly people are taking this. I’ve spoken with many forum members and many people did not treat their trees even though this last order, and probably all the other orders, had RKN.
RKN is a serious threat to our gardens. Once you get RKN established in your soil, they are difficult if not impossible to completely get rid of them.
They stunt or kill vegetables and can decrease productivity in woody plants.
I’m not telling people not to purchase trees from China but if you do purchase trees from China, treat them for RKN regardless if you see galls or not. Even if there is not a single gall detected out of 500-1000 trees, I would still treat them. RKN is microscopic and they may not have formed galls yet and there can also be RKN eggs.
Nursery owners are well aware of the horrible issues associated with RKN and some states even have restrictions that nurseries that ship plants must grow their plants raised off the ground.
I have a friend that has RKN in their yard and his tomatoes and fig was severely infected. His tomatoes looked horribly stunted and his fig tree was growing a lot slower than it should be. He pulled up one of his tomatoes to show me the roots and it looked like the same galls from the Yangmei trees from the last group buy.
With the popularity of Yangmei, I don’t want RKN spreading in all of our gardens. I’m not saying don’t buy the trees, just please treat your trees just in case. Any soil, water or tools that have come into contact with infected trees should be thoroughly disinfected or discarded in the case of soil.
RKN is absolutely horrible and you may not notice symptoms until many years down the road when the RKN population has thoroughly established and by that time, it’s probably too late to eliminate them. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
Simon
Thanks for the info Simon.
I feel like a lot of people in the order didn’t really know the potential of these combined with ignorance or not even knowing they were there. You don’t want to mess with helminths; the bad ones can be scary. I guess it’s worth the extra $50 to buy the Monterey nematode control after all.
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Simon,
I totally respect and value your experience and advice and to be honest the decision of whether or not to use chemicals on the Yamgmei has weighed on me. I already have root knot nematodes in my yard, and in my early days of gardening I used chemicals and beneficial nematodes, but it was a losing battle, let alone it did not benefit the health of my garden. That led me down the rabbit hole of studying soil biology and plant health and have spent a couple of decades learning to create a balance of soil life in the rhizosphere where yes, there are still the ‘bad,’ but they are part of a balance that feeds the ‘good.’ Using a nematicide will not only kill the root knot nematodes, it disrupts the whole balance. There is always a justification for using chemical toxins on our soils and I am not judging anyone’s choices, but for myself, I have decided not to treat my plants. Maybe I would make a different choice if it was not already in my yard. I know I am risking not being able to grow my Yangmei, but I’m willing to accept that as well, as much as I want to. I make my own potting soil full of live soil microorganisms so we’ll see how it goes. I have shared pictures of my garden and offer it here as evidence that you can have healthy, abundant plants even with root knot nematodes.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45788.msg445927#msg445927
Janet
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Hello Janet,
Your garden looks beautiful! It doesn’t look like you have high populations of RKN from the health of your trees. RKN is very noticeable if your growing vegetable crops that aren’t on Nematode resistant rootstock.
I was a microbiologist before and used to work for a company that did research on beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi and if you have a healthy rhizosphere, it can keep your plants relatively healthy.
With the Yangmei plants we received from China, it is so easy to dip the bare root trees in a Nematicide that it’s just silly not to do it.
For those that already have established RKN in their yards, I understand that it’s not much of an issue unless their are other varieties of RKN that your yard didn’t already have.
If anybody knows they have RKN in their yard, they should disclose it to anyone they share plant material with. RKN is no joke.
Simon
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Simon,
How do you know if "RKN in their yard" ?
Do the plants/trees have those big knots on the roots, is that how you can tell or do you need to test the soil/plant for it?
Kaz
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Simon,
Currently, I have mine in a garden pots. Would it still be too late to dip the bare roots in Nematicide or can I still do it after the trees establish a solid root system?
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I want discuss something here that I’ve been hesitant to bring up.
With all these trees imported from China, we should assume they are all infected with RKN. Wether or not you actually see the galls, it is best to treat your trees as if they do have RKN.
RKN is a Serious issue and I’m absolutely shocked how lightly people are taking this. I’ve spoken with many forum members and many people did not treat their trees even though this last order, and probably all the other orders, had RKN.
RKN is a serious threat to our gardens. Once you get RKN established in your soil, they are difficult if not impossible to completely get rid of them.
They stunt or kill vegetables and can decrease productivity in woody plants.
I’m not telling people not to purchase trees from China but if you do purchase trees from China, treat them for RKN regardless if you see galls or not. Even if there is not a single gall detected out of 500-1000 trees, I would still treat them. RKN is microscopic and they may not have formed galls yet and there can also be RKN eggs.
Nursery owners are well aware of the horrible issues associated with RKN and some states even have restrictions that nurseries that ship plants must grow their plants raised off the ground.
I have a friend that has RKN in their yard and his tomatoes and fig was severely infected. His tomatoes looked horribly stunted and his fig tree was growing a lot slower than it should be. He pulled up one of his tomatoes to show me the roots and it looked like the same galls from the Yangmei trees from the last group buy.
With the popularity of Yangmei, I don’t want RKN spreading in all of our gardens. I’m not saying don’t buy the trees, just please treat your trees just in case. Any soil, water or tools that have come into contact with infected trees should be thoroughly disinfected or discarded in the case of soil.
RKN is absolutely horrible and you may not notice symptoms until many years down the road when the RKN population has thoroughly established and by that time, it’s probably too late to eliminate them. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
Simon
Ok, Simon.
What do you think the protocol should be when receiving plants?
For example:
Upon bare rooted plant arrival soak root in dilute solution of B1 root activator for 2 hours. Dispose of soaking solution in Municipal sewer after adding 10% by volume bleach. Pot plants in pre-moistened soil followed by soil drench of anti-nematode solution making sure to use drip trays to contain overflow. Water as needed until bud break then apply anti-nematode soil drench.
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Simon,
How do you know if "RKN in their yard" ?
Do the plants/trees have those big knots on the roots, is that how you can tell or do you need to test the soil/plant for it?
Kaz
Usually you can find out if you have it by digging up a dead tree or pulling up a stunted plant and noticing the galls on the roots. The galls can be very noticeable on vegetables like tomatoes and if the soil is heavily infested, it will be extremely difficult to grow vegetables there again unless it’s on Nematode resistant rootstock.
Simon
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Simon,
Currently, I have mine in a garden pots. Would it still be too late to dip the bare roots in Nematicide or can I still do it after the trees establish a solid root system?
Since your tree is already potted in soil, simply follow the instructions on the container and do a complete drench per instructions.
I’m sure everyone from the previous orders have already planted their trees in pots or the ground so a drench is most appropriate. Don’t bare root the tree again as this additional stress may kill the tree.
Consider the potting soil contaminated and be careful where you place your pot as the soil and runoff water can be a source for cross contamination.
I would recommend multiple inoculations with beneficial nematodes that attack RKN.
I just want to restate that I’m my no means a RKN expert. I’m just doing internet searches and talking with people to gain more knowledge.
Simon
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Thanks Simon, my yard is clean, don't see any plants or trees with those symptoms. I will treat my yangmei plants as you suggested.
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I want discuss something here that I’ve been hesitant to bring up.
With all these trees imported from China, we should assume they are all infected with RKN. Wether or not you actually see the galls, it is best to treat your trees as if they do have RKN.
RKN is a Serious issue and I’m absolutely shocked how lightly people are taking this. I’ve spoken with many forum members and many people did not treat their trees even though this last order, and probably all the other orders, had RKN.
RKN is a serious threat to our gardens. Once you get RKN established in your soil, they are difficult if not impossible to completely get rid of them.
They stunt or kill vegetables and can decrease productivity in woody plants.
I’m not telling people not to purchase trees from China but if you do purchase trees from China, treat them for RKN regardless if you see galls or not. Even if there is not a single gall detected out of 500-1000 trees, I would still treat them. RKN is microscopic and they may not have formed galls yet and there can also be RKN eggs.
Nursery owners are well aware of the horrible issues associated with RKN and some states even have restrictions that nurseries that ship plants must grow their plants raised off the ground.
I have a friend that has RKN in their yard and his tomatoes and fig was severely infected. His tomatoes looked horribly stunted and his fig tree was growing a lot slower than it should be. He pulled up one of his tomatoes to show me the roots and it looked like the same galls from the Yangmei trees from the last group buy.
With the popularity of Yangmei, I don’t want RKN spreading in all of our gardens. I’m not saying don’t buy the trees, just please treat your trees just in case. Any soil, water or tools that have come into contact with infected trees should be thoroughly disinfected or discarded in the case of soil.
RKN is absolutely horrible and you may not notice symptoms until many years down the road when the RKN population has thoroughly established and by that time, it’s probably too late to eliminate them. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
Simon
Ok, Simon.
What do you think the protocol should be when receiving plants?
For example:
Upon bare rooted plant arrival soak root in dilute solution of B1 root activator for 2 hours. Dispose of soaking solution in Municipal sewer after adding 10% by volume bleach. Pot plants in pre-moistened soil followed by soil drench of anti-nematode solution making sure to use drip trays to contain overflow. Water as needed until bud break then apply anti-nematode soil drench.
That sounds like a very reasonable protocol but I would soak the roots in something like 200-400 ppm mild nutrient solution and for root growth I would use IBA or NAA but the Thiamine won’t hurt.
I would probably soak it for about 2-4 hours minimum and then just dump the soak water on my concrete driveway unless you’re worried that some water might make it to your garden soil at which point I would add bleach to kill the RKN.
Instead of planting and then treating with a nematicide, I would soak in the Nematicide (10 minutes) right after rehydration. Then I would plant and then soak the soil with Nematicide.
If you planted directly into the ground, you may consider repeated applications of the Nematicide per instructions.
After the Nematicide gets washed away, maybe 1-2 months, inoculate with beneficial nematodes that target RKN. I would inoculate with the beneficials every month for 2-3 months.
Simon
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I'll be honest after hearing about the RKN situation I've given these trees the bare minimum, even considered just tossing them. Even with that said they are still pushing growth lol I've found a 5 gallon californica online so I'm considering grafting. My question now is at what point can I take cuttings from these trees to graft. Can I do it now or do I have to wait for them to fully rebound?
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqTPRybF/IMG-9550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqTPRybF)
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Nick, you can graft when the scions are healthy.
You can tell by looking for the green color, swollen buds and lack of wrinkly brown wood. If your cambium looks brown and has some wrinkles in it, don’t bother using it for grafting. I believe other members have already taken scions from their trees to graft onto alternative rootstocks.
Simon
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Nick, you can graft when the scions are healthy.
You can tell by looking for the green color, swollen buds and lack of wrinkly brown wood. If your cambium looks brown and has some wrinkles in it, don’t bother using it for grafting. I believe other members have already taken scions from their trees to graft onto alternative rootstocks.
Simon
Thanks for the feedback Simon, just ordered the tree. Will update how this goes.
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Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/5YSSKGRT/8-B2-FE2-C1-4-EA2-4-C17-8866-796558-E1-C48-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YSSKGRT)
Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
First pic of roots post-planting, that I’ve seen. New white roots! That’s awesome to see. How many times have you watered?
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Just received the nematode control. Not sure how much to use for each gallon of water. How much do you guys use on your yangmei trees? Label says 8oz in 6gallon of water for mostly everything. Think thats safe for the new bare rooted trees? Thanks
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Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
First pic of roots post-planting, that I’ve seen. New white roots! That’s awesome to see. How many times have you watered?
Thanks! I've watered only a handful of times. I think I might have overwatered the black crystal though as the leaf tips are dying...Tree should be fine as long as I don't over water again. The an hai was drier than expected, but it's doing the best. Better to be too dry than over water.
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Just received the nematode control. Not sure how much to use for each gallon of water. How much do you guys use on your yangmei trees? Label says 8oz in 6gallon of water for mostly everything. Think thats safe for the new bare rooted trees? Thanks
(https://i.postimg.cc/MvrZSh6b/20220414-140347.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MvrZSh6b)
I just divided 8 by 6 and used 1.33 oz per gallon. I did it as a bare root dip and then used a fresh batch for initial watering. My trees survived fine.
Simon
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Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
That’s great news you don’t see any but you do have to worry about eggs and if you already planted into the soil, wether it be in a pot or in the ground, it would be nearly impossible to look under a scope and scan that large of a surface area to try to find these tiny worms.
Inspection under a scope should be done when you initially received the bare root trees and even then, the RKN may be inside the roots. Best to prophylactically treat them.
Your trees roots are definitely growing out nicely. With the warming of our weather, the Yangmei trees should see a growth spurt really soon.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/5YSSKGRT/8-B2-FE2-C1-4-EA2-4-C17-8866-796558-E1-C48-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YSSKGRT)
Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
That’s great news you don’t see any but you do have to worry about eggs and if you already planted into the soil, wether it be in a pot or in the ground, it would be nearly impossible to look under a scope and scan that large of a surface area to try to find these tiny worms.
Inspection under a scope should be done when you initially received the bare root trees and even then, the RKN may be inside the roots. Best to prophylactically treat them.
Your trees roots are definitely growing out nicely. With the warming of our weather, the Yangmei trees should see a growth spurt really soon.
Simon
Thanks Simon. You've provided invaluable information to the whole forum on taking care of these.
I dug it up to take some roots as I assumed they would be in the nodules so I cut those open, but didn't see anything. Anyways I just got the nematode control and will be treating my trees for them. Then I'll follow up with those beneficial nematodes you recommended.
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Just received the nematode control. Not sure how much to use for each gallon of water. How much do you guys use on your yangmei trees? Label says 8oz in 6gallon of water for mostly everything. Think thats safe for the new bare rooted trees? Thanks
(https://i.postimg.cc/MvrZSh6b/20220414-140347.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MvrZSh6b)
I just divided 8 by 6 and used 1.33 oz per gallon. I did it as a bare root dip and then used a fresh batch for initial watering. My trees survived fine.
Simon
Thanks for leading the way Simon
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I have just read through most of this thread. I am no RKN expert but from the online research I have done it appears that once RKN are in the roots of a plant there is no way to get rid of them. The treatments people are doing to their plants will help eliminate the RKN in the soil but not the plant itself. Here is a link to an article written by North Carolina State University professors and associates. They are professors that specialize in Entomology (the study of insects) and plant pathology. They are the experts in this area and according to them you can treat the soil for RKN but once it is in the roots there is no way to eliminate it from the plant. They say this in the third paragraph of the article. It says "Once the nematodes are inside the roots, effective treatments are not available."
https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/control-of-root-knot-nematodes-in-the-home-vegetable-garden
I would recommend everyone who obtained these trees to consider them infected until proven otherwise. If you are going to keep the trees then grow them in pots in isolation. Make sure you contain 100% of the water run off from watering the plant. Make sure to disinfect hands and tools or anything else that touches the plant soil. Once the plant is large enough take scions from it and graft them onto rootstocks. Then solarize the original plant and soil before throwing it out. RKN should not be taken lightly. Once they are in your properties soil they are almost impossible to eliminate.
The picture of roots posted above by Jaboticaba45 appears to be infected with RKN. Again I'm no expert but the sacks and knots in the roots appear to me to be RKN.
Bill
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Bill,
On containing the RKN, are you saying it can be in the water and so no water can escape into the ground or it can get into the yard and roots of all my plants?
Sounds like I will need to graft these branches and throw away the rootstock. This is a serious issue, don't need any RKN in my yard with all my other rare fruit trees.
Kaz
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Bill,
On containing the RKN, are you saying it can be in the water and so no water can escape into the ground or it can get into the yard and roots of all my plants?
Sounds like I will need to graft these branches and throw away the rootstock. This is a serious issue, don't need any RKN in my yard with all my other rare fruit trees.
Kaz
Too much, or any water that leaves the pot could contain nematodes or nematode eggs. I'd be very careful since I heard they do well in sandy soils of socal and fl.
Mine are on a table under an umbrella in trays and buckets.
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Ok, thanks for confirming it will pass along in the water. I will put all my pots with trays to catch the water. As soon as I graft any good branches, I'm getting rid of the rootstock.
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Yes, the water run off from infected plants can spread the Nematodes. Where ever the water goes the nematodes can possibly spread also. If the water runs out of an infected pot and then spreads under other pots surrounding it, they can become infected. If the water runs off into your grass or dirt they can spread there. Nematodes tend to like warm sandy soil. Some/many people have them already but they don't thrive. When they do find a yard or area that meets their requirements to thrive they can cause a lot of damage. Once they are in your soil they are impossible to get rid of. You then just need to try and manage them with multiple treatments a year.
Bill
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Is RKN more of a tropical/subtropical issue? Or can they survive in places with hard freezes?
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Is RKN more of a tropical/subtropical issue? Or can they survive in places with hard freezes?
I'm no expert, but what I've read is that the hapla species...which was found on it is able to live in colder places...It's also known as the northern root knot nematode.
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It was suppose to be fun experiment. But unfortunately it's been a bit of a headache and regrets with the RKN issue. I plan to graft to clean rootstock and will continue to use the nematode control for several several months or until the plants die ahaha.
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Here’s my best looking tree an hai. My black crystal new shoots died back probably cause of overwatering. Not sure if it’s going to regrow or die. As long as I have one tree so I can graft scions on then I’m happy. Though it would be nice if the male and at least 1 female made it. The male and the biqi are a little behind but are growing also.
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Here’s a picture of my an hai roots. You can see the nodules caused by RKN? I took a sample and looked at them under a microscope and a dissecting scope but couldn’t find any.
Maybe they have been treated with a nematicide before shipping?
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Buddy tape really works. They were parked but still alive for weeks. Wrapped them up and in just a few days they budded out.
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Here’s my best looking tree an hai. My black crystal new shoots died back probably cause of overwatering. Not sure if it’s going to regrow or die. As long as I have one tree so I can graft scions on then I’m happy. Though it would be nice if the male and at least 1 female made it. The male and the biqi are a little behind but are growing also.
Yeah Jabo. I'm gonna have to call B.S. on that photo. Firstly, it is clearly in violation of section 3 of the North American Fruits and Foods act. Secondly, it looks like it may have some biological problems. As a duely sworn member of the Northy Carolina division of the National Yang Mei Inspection and Evaluation Bureau, I'm going to have to sieze that plant. Nothing personal. I'm just doing my job.
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Here’s my best looking tree an hai. My black crystal new shoots died back probably cause of overwatering. Not sure if it’s going to regrow or die. As long as I have one tree so I can graft scions on then I’m happy. Though it would be nice if the male and at least 1 female made it. The male and the biqi are a little behind but are growing also.
Yeah Jabo. I'm gonna have to call B.S. on that photo. Firstly, it is clearly in violation of section 3 of the North American Fruits and Foods act. Secondly, it looks like it may have some biological problems. As a duely sworn member of the Northy Carolina division of the National Yang Mei Inspection and Evaluation Bureau, I'm going to have to sieze that plant. Nothing personal. I'm just doing my job. ;D
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Here’s my best looking tree an hai. My black crystal new shoots died back probably cause of overwatering. Not sure if it’s going to regrow or die. As long as I have one tree so I can graft scions on then I’m happy. Though it would be nice if the male and at least 1 female made it. The male and the biqi are a little behind but are growing also.
Yeah Jabo. I'm gonna have to call B.S. on that photo. Firstly, it is clearly in violation of section 3 of the North American Fruits and Foods act. Secondly, it looks like it may have some biological problems. As a duely sworn member of the Northy Carolina division of the National Yang Mei Inspection and Evaluation Bureau, I'm going to have to sieze that plant. Nothing personal. I'm just doing my job. ;D
None of yours made it? You can be the first person in NC to fruit this - don’t give away your head start. :P
I’m sure others are having success. Let’s see some pictures!
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Here’s my best looking tree an hai. My black crystal new shoots died back probably cause of overwatering. Not sure if it’s going to regrow or die. As long as I have one tree so I can graft scions on then I’m happy. Though it would be nice if the male and at least 1 female made it. The male and the biqi are a little behind but are growing also.
Yeah Jabo. I'm gonna have to call B.S. on that photo. Firstly, it is clearly in violation of section 3 of the North American Fruits and Foods act. Secondly, it looks like it may have some biological problems. As a duely sworn member of the Northy Carolina division of the National Yang Mei Inspection and Evaluation Bureau, I'm going to have to sieze that plant. Nothing personal. I'm just doing my job. ;D
None of yours made it? You can be the first person in NC to fruit this - don’t give away your head start. :P
I’m sure others are having success. Let’s see some pictures!
All my buds are small. I don't want you guys making fun if me :-[
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I have just read through most of this thread. I am no RKN expert but from the online research I have done it appears that once RKN are in the roots of a plant there is no way to get rid of them. The treatments people are doing to their plants will help eliminate the RKN in the soil but not the plant itself. Here is a link to an article written by North Carolina State University professors and associates. They are professors that specialize in Entomology (the study of insects) and plant pathology. They are the experts in this area and according to them you can treat the soil for RKN but once it is in the roots there is no way to eliminate it from the plant. They say this in the third paragraph of the article. It says "Once the nematodes are inside the roots, effective treatments are not available."
https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/control-of-root-knot-nematodes-in-the-home-vegetable-garden
I would recommend everyone who obtained these trees to consider them infected until proven otherwise. If you are going to keep the trees then grow them in pots in isolation. Make sure you contain 100% of the water run off from watering the plant. Make sure to disinfect hands and tools or anything else that touches the plant soil. Once the plant is large enough take scions from it and graft them onto rootstocks. Then solarize the original plant and soil before throwing it out. RKN should not be taken lightly. Once they are in your properties soil they are almost impossible to eliminate.
The picture of roots posted above by Jaboticaba45 appears to be infected with RKN. Again I'm no expert but the sacks and knots in the roots appear to me to be RKN.
Bill
Bestday, thanks for the additional information!
We should all be extremely careful with these trees. It is best to graft these onto alternative rootstock.
Simon
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I think I will try to burn the rootstocks in a hot fire when I have harvested wood from them for grafting. Just waiting for Bush2Beach to get those little 1 gal myrica californica.
Is there a "best" rootstock from the myrica selection we have determined yet? Californica appears to be most used?
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Just got this californica delivered today. Going to graft onto it later this weekend. Just to confirm, there is literally 0% chance of contamination when grafting onto healthy rootstock correct? Sorry, my OCD is requiring me to ask that question haha
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Well, there’s always the chance you contaminated yourself hands by lifting up the infected pot and thus getting contaminated water or soil on your hand and then if you were to place your contaminated hand in contact with the soil of your newly delivered M Californica, then yes, there is a possibility of cross contamination.
I was a microbiologist and see possibilities of cross contamination everywhere but in all reality, you have little risk of cross contamination if you use some common sense. Just keep the contaminated water and soil away from the new plant and you should be good. The RKN is not transferred via branches/scions as far as I’m aware.
Simon
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Learning some about RKN. I was wondering if anyone found them in the first order?
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I took out one plant from first shipment when buds started dying off. As suggested by spaugh, changed heavier foxfarm soil to very light cactus mix. Very healthy young white roots, no rot, no nematode nodules. Wonder why those buds are dying... 😕🤯🧐
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Satya, the buds were probably dying from the bare rooting process. They had to clip some of the roots and this probably threw off the root to shoot balance of water and nutrients.
If you re potted into new soil, you may see a second round of transplant shock when placed into the new media. If you saw new white roots, you were very close to seeing new growth. Since you just re potted, you may want to keep it in high humidity around 70-80% for about two weeks before backing down to ambient humidity.
Simon
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Thank you Simon, do you think I should put a dome over the plant? Don't want to kill it with too much care. I sprayed the plant and they're wrapped in buddy tape.
I keep them away from elements in the roofed patio, the 2nd batch was planted into very dry porous medium as suggested earlier, bark/peat/perlite mix courtesy kalan (Keith) and not watering until one inch of soil is completely dry. Did actinovate treatment a week ago. They've been doing great until one started to do the same thing as the first batch - buds drying up from top. See photos of the 2 plants from the 2nd batch.
Still haven't cracked the yangmei code, these plants are very different from everything i've been growing so far...
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
Same here...It had the best roots also. Maybe it has to do with something else as my other trees are looking fine (at least for now).
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
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my biqi from first batch died, too :( i was hoping drier soil can do the trick but probably something else is the culprit...
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Thank you Simon, do you think I should put a dome over the plant? Don't want to kill it with too much care. I sprayed the plant and they're wrapped in buddy tape.
I keep them away from elements in the roofed patio, the 2nd batch was planted into very dry porous medium as suggested earlier, bark/peat/perlite mix courtesy kalan (Keith) and not watering until one inch of soil is completely dry. Did actinovate treatment a week ago. They've been doing great until one started to do the same thing as the first batch - buds drying up from top. See photos of the 2 plants from the 2nd batch.
Still haven't cracked the yangmei code, these plants are very different from everything i've been growing so far...
(https://i.postimg.cc/D080wkHh/IMG-3826.jpg)
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Hey Satya, what’s the ambient humidity where you’re at? If your tree is wrapped with Buddytape or parafilm, you should not need to spray and you don’t need extra humidity because the humidity is contained from the wrapping. If new growth has popped through the film, you want some evaporation to occur. In other words, once you see some buds push through the film, you can put it in ambient humidity which I guess is relatively high in Florida.
When you use a very porous medium, be very careful that it doesn’t get overly dry. The 4-1-1, 5-1-1 and gritty type mixes can dry out extremely fast. You have peat in your mix which should hold some water but when peat goes completely dry, it can actually repel water until it absorbs some more moisture.
Simon
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Simon,
April is the driest month for us so humidity is pretty low now. Soil in pots dries up very fast, too - will be watching the pots for overdrying, thank you for the tip!
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Did some more digging into this RKN issue
This link seems pretty informative
https://www.cabi.org/isc/datasheet/33245#topathwayCauses
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Thanks for the link Nick! There’s some good information there. For us that aren’t experts in the identification of the different species of Harmful nematodes, it looks like molecular sequencing is the best way to get a positive identification but also probably the least feasible.
So far, (in my opinion) the best option is to graft onto non infected rootstocks.
Simon
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With my luck I’d probably end up grafting onto a rootstock that was already infected haha
Hey Simon, did you treat your trees from Kens order for the RKN before planting in the ground? Any idea if that first round order with Ken had them? If so guess I’m already screwed because my trees been in the ground for months, yay...
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If it helps at all, nitrogen fixing nodules should be easily removable from the root. Apparently, if the nodule is actively fixing nitrogen it will be pink inside when cut open and green or brown if dormant. RKN damage on the other hand will not be easily removable in most cases.
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With my luck I’d probably end up grafting onto a rootstock that was already infected haha
Hey Simon, did you treat your trees from Kens order for the RKN before planting in the ground? Any idea if that first round order with Ken had them? If so guess I’m already screwed because my trees been in the ground for months, yay...
I put mine in the ground a long time ago, its doing fine. Not even worth worring about at this point. Not about to dig up the tree.
There were some kind of nodules on the roots we thought they were nitrogen fixers at the time. But they all fell off when the roots soaked in a bucket beforing potting.
You could get nematodes from any plants you buy at a store too right? Or if you live in a neighborhood, your neighbors yards could have them. They could have all kinds of crazy things going on over there...
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With my luck I’d probably end up grafting onto a rootstock that was already infected haha
Hey Simon, did you treat your trees from Kens order for the RKN before planting in the ground? Any idea if that first round order with Ken had them? If so guess I’m already screwed because my trees been in the ground for months, yay...
I put mine in the ground a long time ago, its doing fine. Not even worth worring about at this point. Not about to dig up the tree.
There were some kind of nodules on the roots we thought they were nitrogen fixers at the time. But they all fell off when the roots soaked in a bucket beforing potting.
You could get nematodes from any plants you buy at a store too right? Or if you live in a neighborhood, your neighbors yards could have them. They could have all kinds of crazy things going on over there...
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Cool. Ya man I’ve bought soooo many seedlings from tropical locales I’d be surprised if a seedling or two over all these years didn’t have one or two along the way...not gonna stress and start digging trees up either, ain’t nobody got time for dat! ;)
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Nate, this post isnt directed at you or anyone in particular. Its just a thought for people worried about the nematodes. Bayer makes some kind of stuff called "bayer complete insect killer" or something like that. It kills any bugs in the soil and is systemic in the tree as well I believe. Im not going to use it but it might work if someone was inclinded to do that. I know someone said nothing will kill RKN but that stuff is toxic enough it may.
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My tree is growing slowly but surely. It doeant seem bother by any of the weather here, its gotten pretty hot and dry and cold and wet out in its spot fully exposed. I fertilized it pretty hard a month or 2 ago. Didnt seem to do much.
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With my luck I’d probably end up grafting onto a rootstock that was already infected haha
Hey Simon, did you treat your trees from Kens order for the RKN before planting in the ground? Any idea if that first round order with Ken had them? If so guess I’m already screwed because my trees been in the ground for months, yay...
Hey Nate, I did treat my trees before I put them into the ground because I may have accidentally inoculated my plants with RKN from another source, thinking it was Frankia. I still think I inoculated with Frankia because of the explosive growth of my trees and the lack of RKN nodules but I treated with the Monterey Nematode Control followed by several applications of beneficial nematodes.
I inspected the root system every time I up potted and didn’t see any RKN galls at all. I posted multiple pictures of my plants root systems on this forum.
If your trees are already planted into the ground, I wouldn’t dig them up. You either have the RKN or you don’t do you have a decision to make. Treat them in ground just to be safe or roll the dice.
RKN can have a significant impact on vegetable crops but can be unnoticeable on fruit trees unless their populations are very high.
Simon
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Late to the party for a change but did go ahead and order the Monterey Nematode Control yesterday. Thank you, Simon.
While waiting for it to arrive, I thought I would revisit the whole male/female/seedling issue. I am less than two miles from the ocean so except for a couple of bizarre heat waves, it has remained pretty cool here. Only my Biqi (one female and one putative male) have leafed out and one of my An Ha females. Everything else looks comatose. I have to say that both my male and female Biqi look like nice succesful grafts. I have others, notably my An Ha male and my Late female where the grafts are absolute disasters with no signs up life above them. But these look a lot better. Fang, am I reading these wrong? They are from top to bottom, female Biqi and then its graft; male Biqi and its graft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1ghkmCX/Biqi-female-from-March-buy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1ghkmCX)
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My tree is growing slowly but surely. It doeant seem bother by any of the weather here, its gotten pretty hot and dry and cold and wet out in its spot fully exposed. I fertilized it pretty hard a month or 2 ago. Didnt seem to do much.
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Brad, nice growth on your tree! Looks like the buds I saw last time I visited have fully leafed out. My two original tree are both in ground now and they didn’t do much until recently. Now, there are buds all over the place and I have a feeling it’s going to explode with growth when it warms up.
Simon
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My tree is growing slowly but surely. It doeant seem bother by any of the weather here, its gotten pretty hot and dry and cold and wet out in its spot fully exposed. I fertilized it pretty hard a month or 2 ago. Didnt seem to do much.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YKRXz1G/download-20220426-201722.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YKRXz1G)
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Late to the party for a change but did go ahead and order the Monterey Nematode Control yesterday. Thank you, Simon.
While waiting for it to arrive, I thought I would revisit the whole male/female/seedling issue. I am less than two miles from the ocean so except for a couple of bizarre heat waves, it has remained pretty cool here. Only my Biqi (one female and one putative male) have leafed out and one of my An Ha females. Everything else looks comatose. I have to say that both my male and female Biqi look like nice succesful grafts. I have others, notably my An Ha male and my Late female where the grafts are absolute disasters with no signs up life above them. But these look a lot better. Fang, am I reading these wrong? They are from top to bottom, female Biqi and then its graft; male Biqi and its graft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1ghkmCX/Biqi-female-from-March-buy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1ghkmCX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5XLYBkLP/Biqi-female-graft.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5XLYBkLP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3WfvYG3Z/Biqi-male-from-March-buy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3WfvYG3Z)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tYLnVHZZ/Biqi-male-graft.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYLnVHZZ)
Looks like you have some trees that may make it. Try to gradually increase the amount of light it gets.
Simon
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
Same here...It had the best roots also. Maybe it has to do with something else as my other trees are looking fine (at least for now).
My BC did the same thing. It was the first to leaf out, then slowly wilted away. I'm waiting if it actually comes back. Another BC that also leafed out is not completely dead but it's struggling. Anyone can think of what can be the problem?
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
Same here...It had the best roots also. Maybe it has to do with something else as my other trees are looking fine (at least for now).
My BC did the same thing. It was the first to leaf out, then slowly wilted away. I'm waiting if it actually comes back. Another BC that also leafed out is not completely dead but it's struggling. Anyone can think of what can be the problem?
I was thinking overwatering, but I'm not sure about that. I scratched the bark and it is dead. I'm going to throw it out now. Probably just chuck it in the trash to prevent contamination.
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Tustinfruitnerd,
I had similar issue, I removed all the dead leaves, trimmed the leaves that were partially shriveled and covered with clear plastic to increase humidity, which helped it to revive. Even the branches covered with buddy tape did better with the plastic. Important to check at least a couple times a day so no mold grows, the mold on dried branches and leaves grow really fast on the Yangmei. The plants I have that are growing uncovered were slowly transitioned to decreased humidity, I cut tiny holes in the plastic, then gradually enlarged the holes.
Janet
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Looks like you have some trees that may make it. Try to gradually increase the amount of light it gets.
Simon
Thank you for the advice. Gradually increasing the light isn't too much of a problem since different parts of the greenhouse get more shade than others. Where I get nervous, given that the Santa Anas keep popping up. is trying to figure out how much dryness these little guys can take, I still have a humidifier running at something around 65% and spray the not-yet-leafed out plants daily but I know at some point the Biqis (and Mrs. An Ha) will have to move out into the real world. My one survivor (1 of2) from Ken's buy I did try the gradual hardening off thing and it promptly lost all its leaves and looked dead. I stuck it in the ground anyway surrounded by some Myrica Cerifera I got from Carlos' Plants and it started growing tiny leaves from below the ground. Of course, with last week's blast of wind even those tiny leaves have started browning at the edges. I can toss a little shade cloth over it but there's not much I can do about the dryness.
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My BC finally leafed out a bit, looked promising, blap, dead. I don't hold out hope for it coming back. The Biqi Male and Female did ok and I found some 5g californica I'll scoop next week to graft on.
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Looks like you have some trees that may make it. Try to gradually increase the amount of light it gets.
Simon
Thank you for the advice. Gradually increasing the light isn't too much of a problem since different parts of the greenhouse get more shade than others. Where I get nervous, given that the Santa Anas keep popping up. is trying to figure out how much dryness these little guys can take, I still have a humidifier running at something around 65% and spray the not-yet-leafed out plants daily but I know at some point the Biqis (and Mrs. An Ha) will have to move out into the real world. My one survivor (1 of2) from Ken's buy I did try the gradual hardening off thing and it promptly lost all its leaves and looked dead. I stuck it in the ground anyway surrounded by some Myrica Cerifera I got from Carlos' Plants and it started growing tiny leaves from below the ground. Of course, with last week's blast of wind even those tiny leaves have started browning at the edges. I can toss a little shade cloth over it but there's not much I can do about the dryness.
Once your plant has roots that have well filled in a 1gal pot, it should be strong enough to go out into the yard. Use 70% aluminet shade on it for the first several months, the switch to regular 30% shade until after November. If you want a piece of 70% aluminum send me a message, I have some extra pieces. You can make a circle with welded wire fencing material and drape the 70% aluminet around that entirely to protect the tree and break it in once it exists the greenhouse.
You also want to gradually drop the humidity in the GH for a few weeks prior to its graduation from the GH.
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Ok so I just threw out the black crystal...I was expecting the roots to look bad, and they all did, but there was a few white roots. Maybe it was trying to grow back? Although I scraped a little higher and the cambium of the roots was old and not alive. Same for the bark scratch test. I assume the tree died from top to bottom, instead of bottom to top as I expected. I don't think overwatering was the victim this time.
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Ok so I just threw out the black crystal...I was expecting the roots to look bad, and they all did, but there was a few white roots. Maybe it was trying to grow back? Although I scraped a little higher and the cambium of the roots was old and not alive. Same for the bark scratch test. I assume the tree died from top to bottom, instead of bottom to top as I expected. I don't think overwatering was the victim this time.
Same as mine. Mine leafed out pretty nice, had some dry leaves up top... Then lower... Then a day later gone.
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When you guys start seeing leaves and branches starting to grow, are you slowly decreasing the humidity?
When the trees come in bare root from China, they need a lot of humidity because there is little to no feeder roots and the trees are in shock from the bare rooting process.
Once you see buds, you still need high humidity because the bud push may be from stored energy in the wood but the feeder roots may not have grown out yet.
If the buds continue to push leaves and the leaves are expanding rapidly, there is a good chance the feeder roots are starting to grow out. If you see leaf expansion and stem/branch elongation, there is a very high probability the roots have grown out.
At this point, you want to slowly decrease the humidity so that there is some vapor pressure deficit. The less humid air will pull water through the plant from the roots and out through the stomata in the leaves. This helps with root elongation.
If the humidity is too high, transpiration will be inhibited and root elongation may be delayed or stop altogether.
Another issue that may arise and cause trees that have pushed to die later on is the presence of fungus gnats. Fungal gnats thrive in soil that is overwatered and their larvae eat new roots. Allowing your soil to dry up a bit before re watering will decrease the amount of fungus gnats.
Simon
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I kept humidity super high when they were not buddytaped. Nothing was happening much. When I taped them up with buddy, they all started sprouting buds nearly immediately. The two Biqi I have (much larger plants compared to BC) both leafed out nicely and it would appear both are now growing branches so I would say rooting is well on its way.
When I buddytaped, I stopped the supplemental humidifying altogether.
The first BC died before I could buddy it. The second BC died after sprouting small leaves about 1/4" long, all dried up over the course of 2 days.
There are no fungus gnats. I have them in an air filtered grow tent and learned my lesson to not over water from the last time. Soil was dang near dry the whole time or as close as I could get to "barely damp".
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Similar situation with my 2 BCs one wrapped and the other with plastic bag covering. Same leaf out and dry up.
Have another one neglected, pot placed in a 5 gallon HD bucket to catch drainage after the RKN notice, only watered when it rained that is starting to leaf out.
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I kept humidity super high when they were not buddytaped. Nothing was happening much. When I taped them up with buddy, they all started sprouting buds nearly immediately. The two Biqi I have (much larger plants compared to BC) both leafed out nicely and it would appear both are now growing branches so I would say rooting is well on its way.
When I buddytaped, I stopped the supplemental humidifying altogether.
The first BC died before I could buddy it. The second BC died after sprouting small leaves about 1/4" long, all dried up over the course of 2 days.
There are no fungus gnats. I have them in an air filtered grow tent and learned my lesson to not over water from the last time. Soil was dang near dry the whole time or as close as I could get to "barely damp".
What kind of dirt are you using?
My .02$, if the mix has enough perlite and or coco etc which will hold air, the dirt can stay wet and not get anerobic. Then you dont have to worry about over watering etc. Im terrible with potted plants so to make it a no brainer, I always add a lot of perlite when doing something like reviving a delicate plant or rooting cuttings etc. Makes it almost impossible to over wet the medium.
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So guys and girls, where can I get a male tree? Its required to get fruit off the grafted tree correct? I probably need to go ahead and source and plant one.
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So guys and girls, where can I get a male tree? Its required to get fruit off the grafted tree correct? I probably need to go ahead and source and plant one.
Do you have any suckers coming from the rootstock? You may already have a male tree...I have one sucker coming from my rootstock I’m praying is male. There’s a woman up north who can sex the trees for people through leaf samples.
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Your Biqi should be self-fertile.
I like the advice on extra perlite and coco to protect soil from becoming anaerobic. Notorious over-waterer here. Spraying stuff relaxes me, and can't stand the idea of a thirsty plant.
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No suckers
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Brad,
I ordered a biqi male that's budding out and also have some seedlings. Plan on sending them to Marta for the DNA test to sex them in the fall. If any of them are male, I'll share scions with you.
Janet
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Thanks, Brad, for the advice on transitioning my Yang Mei to the real world. Since I have four plants that look like they have a chance of making that journey (2 Biqi females, one Biqi male and one An Ha female) I will probably be needing more of that Aluminet shade cloth than you can spare but I really appreciate your offer. If my male Biqi survives, you are welcome to some scion wood from it. At the moment, it is the only one pushing actually branchy things (yeah, I know there must be a real word for that but this is the 3rd time I’ve tried to post this before someone else posts and erases everything I’ve written so I’m going fast)
At the moment I have some cheapo Amazon 70% shade cloth tossed over half of my greenhouse with another 30% cloth on the west wall where the sun can get incredibly intense in the afternoon. I cut a square out of the 30% and tossed it over my rootstock that pushed some tiny leaves out in the front yard, but now I realize I probably should be using a square of the 70% until November. Anyhow, thanks so much for giving me a roadmap, and hope.
And Simon, thanks so much for the advice on tapering off on the humidifier. I have been agonizing over how much I should be catering to my moribund trees at the expense of the ones that have managed to leaf out. So I finally went out today and determined that four of my trees are dead as little doornails, two from the January buy and two from the March buy. I wrapped everything else up in Buddy tape and will start tapering. Strangely my Late Growing from the January buy is one of those that still shows green when I snip a bit off the top and yet it has not swollen a single bud. Likewise my other female An Ha from the March buy seems alive but asleep. It is in sterile potting mix whereas my An Ha in peat-based mix was the first to leaf out. On the other hand, my leafed-out Biqis from this buy are in sterile mix and the comatose Late Growing is in peat mix, so I can’t draw any big conclusions.
BTW, while I was moving my leafed-out pots farther from the humidifer, I discovered that my March female Biqi was growing leaves from its rootstock. I dithered for a while about keeping them alive for future grafts, but then decided not to risk the graft that was already working, and knocked off the volunteers. For the peace of mind of those still worried about whether they actually have males vs failed grafts, I will say that the leaves on the rootstock were quite different from those on my male Biqi, and less different but still not identical to the ones on the female. See what you think.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bSGB8hhp/Biqi-female-leaves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSGB8hhp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/K44Vtngw/Biqi-male-leaves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K44Vtngw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/s18LmvYX/Biqi-rootstock-leaves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s18LmvYX)
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Actually I got that backwards. The male Biqi leaves are slightly sawtooth but nowhere near as much as those on the rootstock. The female leaves are pretty smooth-edged.
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No suckers
Hit up Shane, he has a flowering Male tree
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No suckers
My male DK is growing, if it continuous growing, I can share with you some scions next year.
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I have a male tree that was confirmed by Marta. It's a pretty decent size. I could spare some scions and hope I'll be able to graft some up here in coming years.
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So guys and girls, where can I get a male tree? Its required to get fruit off the grafted tree correct? I probably need to go ahead and source and plant one.
Brad, I got you. I’ll either graft a male on your tree or bring you a male tree. In my opinion, having a whole male tree is a waste of space. It is more efficient to have a grafted female tree with a high graft of a male branch.
Simon
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Actually I got that backwards. The male Biqi leaves are slightly sawtooth but nowhere near as much as those on the rootstock. The female leaves are pretty smooth-edged.
The leaves with the sawtooth edges are commonly seen on seedling trees but I’ve also seen them from younger growth from grafts from mature wood.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/34Fd3BMc/2-E7629-DF-DEE2-4633-A9-E5-C197787337-BE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34Fd3BMc)
(https://i.postimg.cc/McRnFw9x/6-F024-CF2-6476-4-E99-85-F9-AE810-F12-D232.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/McRnFw9x)
Think I’m good to go for grafting to Californica?
Knock off the green growths and buddy tape up or am I too late and need to wait for the green branches to get to grafting size?
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Your plants look really good. I would not knock off the green growths because there is little stored energy in the wood.
I would wait until the green growths are larger and then use that for grafting.
Simon
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Im thinking of planting some RKN infected Yangmei at my house (not my farm). The soil here is pretty heavy clay and the water table is about a foot or two below the soil surface, so I'd imagine this type of habitat would be rough for them to thrive in. I don't have any potted plants on the ground and the only real major scare factor is potentially tracking RKN on my shoes to my farm if they do proliferate.
Pretty tempted to throw some in that are starting to shoot some nice healthy looking buds though. Any thoughts? Has anybody planted out so soon after getting them bare root?
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Your plants look really good. I would not knock off the green growths because there is little stored energy in the wood.
I would wait until the green growths are larger and then use that for grafting.
Simon
Awesome, thanks for the advice. I am bummed cause it'll be a pain to keep the RKN pots around but I know this will offer me the best chance of success... I'll transition them outdoors in a week or two and put them into trays to keep water isolated. Hopefully it's only a year of minding them or so. I have some nice 5g myrica californica on hand now so as soon as the wood is solid I'll get at it.
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Satya, my BC did the exact same thing. It was the first to leaf out and was looking quite good and afterwards wilted. It looks dead from what I can tell. The others that leafed out are doing well.
Same here...It had the best roots also. Maybe it has to do with something else as my other trees are looking fine (at least for now).
My BC did the same thing. It was the first to leaf out, then slowly wilted away. I'm waiting if it actually comes back. Another BC that also leafed out is not completely dead but it's struggling. Anyone can think of what can be the problem?
The same thing happened to my two BC. Leaf out first then shriveled and died. May be due to RKN infected roots. I noticed when I received the trees, the BC roots were the least developed.
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Since acquiring the yangmei's, they were just outdoors underneath the calamondin.. i didnt want to give them special care them by wrapping with buddy tape and or in a GH. Since im always busy..im like if They die, they die.. so far 1 an hai & 1 male started to sprout considering they are on a very cold spot during the night & my area has very low humidity.
More power to yangmei growers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX/20220503-112200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v/20220503-112133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v)
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What kind of paint are you using? I'm about to transfer mine to my outside greenhouse.I'm hoping they will like the lower humidity and harden off. I will posting some pics at the beginning of next week if all goes as planned.
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What kind of paint are you using? I'm about to transfer mine to my outside greenhouse.I'm hoping they will like the lower humidity and harden off. I will posting some pics at the beginning of next week if all goes as planned.
Iv organics, i used it paint prevent rats/ squirrels chewing the bark.
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Im thinking of planting some RKN infected Yangmei at my house (not my farm). The soil here is pretty heavy clay and the water table is about a foot or two below the soil surface, so I'd imagine this type of habitat would be rough for them to thrive in. I don't have any potted plants on the ground and the only real major scare factor is potentially tracking RKN on my shoes to my farm if they do proliferate.
Pretty tempted to throw some in that are starting to shoot some nice healthy looking buds though. Any thoughts? Has anybody planted out so soon after getting them bare root?
Why not treat your trees first? Even if they aren’t showing any galls, you can treat them for peace of mind. If you already have RKN in your yard, it’s no big deal but why risk contaminating your soil and even worse, potentially contaminating your farm.
Simon
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Since acquiring the yangmei's, they were just outdoors underneath the calamondin.. i didnt want to give them special care them by wrapping with buddy tape and or in a GH. Since im always busy..im like if They die, they die.. so far 1 an hai & 1 male started to sprout considering they are on a very cold spot during the night & my area has very low humidity.
More power to yangmei growers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX/20220503-112200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v/20220503-112133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v)
gozp, looking good. That’s a proper size pot for your tree. It’s much easier to control the soil moisture in those smaller pots.
Simon
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Since acquiring the yangmei's, they were just outdoors underneath the calamondin.. i didnt want to give them special care them by wrapping with buddy tape and or in a GH. Since im always busy..im like if They die, they die.. so far 1 an hai & 1 male started to sprout considering they are on a very cold spot during the night & my area has very low humidity.
More power to yangmei growers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX/20220503-112200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v/20220503-112133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v)
gozp, looking good. That’s a proper size pot for your tree. It’s much easier to control the soil moisture in those smaller pots.
Simon
Most of ones i got where little-to-roots since they were leftovers... 😁
What matters they were able to take. So far 2 out of 16 have sprouted. The rest are still green.
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I have started the transition out of bags finally, since I wanted to get them out of the garage and into some real light. The goal was to have them in the smallest containers possible, which I had hoped were 1 gals, but around half of them had roots that needs 3 gals and even some 5 gals. On many of the 1 gals, I’m seeing some nice thick hairy white roots popping out! I have not seen any on the larger containers, most likely due to the large volume of soil that they need to grow through. A small percentage had buds forming but now look to be dead unless there is life under the soil, at which point is garbage since I’m not looking to keep rootstocks from this order. Up til now, I’ve watered one time, and it was not much.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3/909-F40-A1-C6-C4-4021-B73-C-838-AC94324-B9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3)
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I have started the transition out of bags finally, since I wanted to get them out of the garage and into some real light. The goal was to have them in the smallest containers possible, which I had hoped were 1 gals, but around half of them had roots that needs 3 gals and even some 5 gals. On many of the 1 gals, I’m seeing some nice thick hairy white roots popping out! I have not seen any on the larger containers, most likely due to the large volume of soil that they need to grow through. A small percentage had buds forming but now look to be dead unless there is life under the soil, at which point is garbage since I’m not looking to keep rootstocks from this order. Up til now, I’ve watered one time, and it was not much.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3/909-F40-A1-C6-C4-4021-B73-C-838-AC94324-B9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3)
Beautiful results! Congrats! I should probably check under mine to see if any roots are poking out. I think I've watered a total of 3 times. It has taught me a lot about how little water my potted plants actually need...
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I have started the transition out of bags finally, since I wanted to get them out of the garage and into some real light. The goal was to have them in the smallest containers possible, which I had hoped were 1 gals, but around half of them had roots that needs 3 gals and even some 5 gals. On many of the 1 gals, I’m seeing some nice thick hairy white roots popping out! I have not seen any on the larger containers, most likely due to the large volume of soil that they need to grow through. A small percentage had buds forming but now look to be dead unless there is life under the soil, at which point is garbage since I’m not looking to keep rootstocks from this order. Up til now, I’ve watered one time, and it was not much.
Nice looking roots, there must be some signs of life up top as well. Make sure your transition to higher light levels is very gradual so the leaves don’t get burned.
Simon
(https://i.postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3/909-F40-A1-C6-C4-4021-B73-C-838-AC94324-B9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSv3wrz3)
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Ann Hai top cleft on Californica doing well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9m2PzZH/578-E6-AFA-CF16-4565-A327-22330319-BF45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9m2PzZH)
Biqi grafts starting to grow as well
(https://i.postimg.cc/4mDS8GHW/8-A836-A10-72-C4-4-F13-9-AED-9-F92-A34-B7-DBF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mDS8GHW)
These trees were stunted trees from my experiments last year. I thought they wouldn’t make it so I tossed them in the back and ignored them and they’re finally pushing now.
Simon
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So what did they look like before the push?
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The An Hai was a top cleft graft that was stalled so it looked like a dead/sunburnt scion. There was a little bit of green on it so I didn’t toss it out. Here is a picture of the original scion. You can see the tip is completely dead.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzzBZbcq/B1-A2048-F-DCFD-442-F-B1-E9-AEBBF2-B9-BBB8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzzBZbcq)
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D/BB46209-D-91-D6-4088-A2-C2-5-A8788927724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D)
Well here is what they look like now.
3/4
Dk make
Biqi
An hai
Treatment for RKN has been going on, but I wonder if it’s just better to graft. I’m also wondering if rioting cuttings of these is possible? Has anyone done it before?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D/BB46209-D-91-D6-4088-A2-C2-5-A8788927724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D)
Well here is what they look like now.
3/4
Dk make
Biqi
An hai
Treatment for RKN has been going on, but I wonder if it’s just better to graft. I’m also wondering if rioting cuttings of these is possible? Has anyone done it before?
those look SOLID. From the March order?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D/BB46209-D-91-D6-4088-A2-C2-5-A8788927724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D)
Well here is what they look like now.
3/4
Dk make
Biqi
An hai
Treatment for RKN has been going on, but I wonder if it’s just better to graft. I’m also wondering if rioting cuttings of these is possible? Has anyone done it before?
those look SOLID. From the March order?
Yes! Spring really helps lol.
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WuSu has been wilty, and An Hai seems to have lost its buds and died off. Any idea what's going on here Simon?
(https://i.postimg.cc/RWb0HnTr/Yangmei-Wu-Su562022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWb0HnTr)
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Here are a couple of grafts that I have on M. californica. I've had plants push pretty hard and then just brown at the tips and die. Some have dieback on the uppermost parts of the scions while still having healthy buds below, others have just deteriorated quickly and been dead scions.
I really don't know what to expect on takes because it seems like they can push a while without having healed. I did graft pretty ginormous scions so wondering if I'm running off stored energy.
On a seperate note, I think I'll probably have ~50 survivors out of 70
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLtd0rdW/20220506-084749.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLtd0rdW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sBy3Rn1h/20220506-085052.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBy3Rn1h)
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EPIC job Nate, looks really promising. At the very least you'll have some great scion wood from some of those plants to propagate in the future. Great stuff.
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Wow so happy to see many people are have successes. 👍
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WuSu has been wilty, and An Hai seems to have lost its buds and died off. Any idea what's going on here Simon?
(https://i.postimg.cc/RWb0HnTr/Yangmei-Wu-Su562022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWb0HnTr)
Rob, your tree looks pretty healthy. The droopy growth is probably from lack of wind blowing on it combined with strong growth from proper nutrition in the soil. If you let the soil dry out a bit between watering, it will keep your roots healthier.
Simon
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No signs of leaf out on any of the 10 plants I purchased. Not surprising though since I got the message that they were here a week after they arrived and they were mostly picked through, mixed up with grafts disconnected and sitting uncovered in the hot sun.
Luckily Bill was nice enough to credit me back for two trees that weren’t there at all.
Scratched the bark on my bare sticks today and it looks black underneath. What a shame to go through all that trouble and expense only to have risked infecting our gardens with evil nematodes. If anyone has any success please make scions available to others once your trees get bigger.
I still appreciate that Bill went through all that trouble for the group. I’m sure it wasn’t easy. Still crossing my fingers for some Morella/Myrica Miracles!
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It's a bummer, that happened to me the first time more or less (got one survivor). I'll be selling some of the duplicates of the grafted yangmei that I imported if anyone is interested in getting some recovered plants later this year.
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I'll be selling some of the duplicates of the grafted yangmei that I imported if anyone is interested in getting some recovered plants later this year.
Sign me up. I'll take 3 if you have ones that survive. Both the two I got have been twigs with zero growth.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D/BB46209-D-91-D6-4088-A2-C2-5-A8788927724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWGSqv1D)
Well here is what they look like now.
3/4
Dk make
Biqi
An hai
Treatment for RKN has been going on, but I wonder if it’s just better to graft. I’m also wondering if rioting cuttings of these is possible? Has anyone done it before?
Grafting would be ideal. I believe rooting cuttings may be more difficult. I ran some experiments with rooting the cuttings and I got callous formation but it took too long so I 86ed them. The cost benefit numbers didn’t work out.
Simon
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Here are a couple of grafts that I have on M. californica. I've had plants push pretty hard and then just brown at the tips and die. Some have dieback on the uppermost parts of the scions while still having healthy buds below, others have just deteriorated quickly and been dead scions.
I really don't know what to expect on takes because it seems like they can push a while without having healed. I did graft pretty ginormous scions so wondering if I'm running off stored energy.
On a seperate note, I think I'll probably have ~50 survivors out of 70
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLtd0rdW/20220506-084749.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLtd0rdW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sBy3Rn1h/20220506-085052.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBy3Rn1h)
Good going Nate! There will be plenty of disease free trees soon. Once the union is fully healed and the weather warms up, the plants will explode with growth. All my trees are going through a nice flush now.
Simon
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It's a bummer, that happened to me the first time more or less (got one survivor). I'll be selling some of the duplicates of the grafted yangmei that I imported if anyone is interested in getting some recovered plants later this year.
Yes please, I would love to get a few different varieties when they are ready.
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Here are 2 of the 3 seedlings from Nate:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7b51j5nB/Yangmei-Nate-Seedlings52022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7b51j5nB)
Just repotted them. They are tough as nails, not like the bareroot trees from China. The other seedling is planted in ground next to Biqi. Not as pretty as the 2 in pots, but doing well enough.
Seems yangmei can do better in pots than I thought.
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Seems yangmei can do better in pots than I thought.
They don't dislike being in pots, here are my 2 seedlings from Nate bought last August. I have them in pure Akadama. One is starting to branch out now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nX8SL7cx/IMG-3289.png) (https://postimg.cc/nX8SL7cx)
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I agree, the seedlings are very vigorous and don’t mind being in pots. I’ve been gradually stepping them up in pot size so that they don’t “J root” and get pot bound.
Did you guys see the video I posted earlier in this thread where the guy fruited his Yangmei in a pot.
Although they grow fine in a pot, they should grow much better in the ground once their roots are established.
Simon
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There's a YouTube channel "Ben B in Seattle " that grew one, is that it? I think he's also in the fb yangmei group too.
Talk about convincing a relative to travel on a plane with a tree...
Same with the seedlings from Nate, in 4x14 treepots growing nicely 👌until I figure out where to plant them. More useless 30+ year old ornamentals to rip out.
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Here’s the video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFCWhuQAsQ
Simon
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Finally got around to grafting onto new rootstock. Threw 2 male cultivars and the only surviving female on there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gLzdYWQZ/IMG-0143.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLzdYWQZ)
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Seems yangmei can do better in pots than I thought.
They don't dislike being in pots, here are my 2 seedlings from Nate bought last August. I have them in pure Akadama. One is starting to branch out now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nX8SL7cx/IMG-3289.png) (https://postimg.cc/nX8SL7cx)
Do you have to water them daily with that medium? I really enjoy using bonsai mediums for my harder to grow plants but the watering becomes a huge hassle..
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Do you have to water them daily with that medium? I really enjoy using bonsai mediums for my harder-to-grow plants but the watering becomes a huge hassle..
With pure Akadama, I water every 2 weeks or when I see ALL the top turning light kaki. That's the particularity of Akadama, when they are wet, they have a dark brown color and when they are dry, they have a light kaki color.
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I had to look up akadama. Is it similar to hydroton? Just naturally occuring? How do you fertilize it?
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I had to look up akadama. Is it similar to hydroton? Just naturally occuring? How do you fertilize it?
Akadama is a naturally occurring volcanic clay from Japan. It has medium to low CEC (Cation Exchange Capacity), the ability to absorb/release nutrients, but it compensates with its porosity such that feeding roots could grow right through it and in a way that sort of increase the CEC.
The closest to Akadama is a sort of calcined clay that is called Monto clay. It is often used as a much cheaper alternative. Normal calcined clay which has smaller grade could also be used as alternative.
I hope this answers your fertilization question, Brad. It all comes down to CEC when you're dealing with gritty mix components.
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How are you fertilizing with it? Water soluable fertilizers or what do you use? I think the stuff looks interesting and I always like to try new mediums. Im just curious how you fertilize your plants that are growing in it.
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I use a liquid fertilizer as I already use one for other plants but a dry kind would work as well. The Akadema particles would absorb the nutrients and release them to the feeding root as needed. The same way an organic soil / soilless would do.
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The scions from the China plants that I grafted onto Myrica californica have officially surpassed the plants we imported from China. They are much more vigorous, and appear to be healthier. I'm thinking that I have gotten about a 60% take rate on scions but still gonna hold out. Some of them have a good couple inches of growth so I'd Imagine those are takes. Others flushed, died back and are flushing again, making me think they were growing on stored energy but have now officially taken.
Note to future purchasers. Graft immediately onto new rootstocks. I grafted a couple weeks after the plants arrived and the plants started to show signs of pushing buds. Most of the buds held and pushed, some pushed and withered but are coming back for a second push.
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The scions from the China plants that I grafted onto Myrica californica have officially surpassed the plants we imported from China. They are much more vigorous, and appear to be healthier. I'm thinking that I have gotten about a 60% take rate on scions but still gonna hold out. Some of them have a good couple inches of growth so I'd Imagine those are takes. Others flushed, died back and are flushing again, making me think they were growing on stored energy but have now officially taken.
Note to future purchasers. Graft immediately onto new rootstocks.
Absolutely seems the way to go. I now probably have lost my last female biqi and only have 1/4 remaining, the male biqi. That still may be useful, but wish I'd just gone ham grafting like you Nate. Good info for the next buy!
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I'm gonna revise my post above to say that I did in fact graft them right when the buds started swelling on the grafted plants from China (for the most part). The swollen buds held on a lot of scions and pushed pretty quickly. I'll hook you up with a survivor if ya want.
I'm thinking about maybe selling a multigraft M. californica with about 3 or 4 different types on each. Any interest in that? It wouldn't be cheap and would be pick up only.
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Note to future purchasers. ...
To future buyers, I'd say, PLEASE DONT PLACE BUY ORDERS WITHOUT A REFUND CLAUSE IN CASE OF ROOT KNOT NEMATODES DETECTED.
RKN is NOT a joke. You don't get rid of it with existing nematicides and other beneficial nematodes as some have suggested here. You can control its population and learn to live with it, that is all.
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Yeah RKN sucks. Glad my habitat isn't prime for it and that I have space to grow them that isn't my main growing space.
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Thanks for the update Nate. I recently ordered a rootstock (m.pennyslvanica although I haven’t heard of anyone using this yet…), but it is too late to graft as the new branches need to harden up. I’m tired of waiting and was thinking of planting one in ground but really far away? I don’t think it’s a good idea.
All of the ones that survived are doin great at least.
How’s everyone else’s trees doing?
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Question for Nate and others:
Is now a good time to graft from the last trees ordered?
Only have 1 WuSu alive from last order, and the green shoots are droopy and some have wilted and dried out. Seems the roots are not that healthy, and this plant continues to struggle. Wondering if it is a good idea to see if it will graft onto m. cerifeira now, or if I should wait.
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Now is a great time to graft if you have scions with buds. My in ground trees are pushing hard as the weather warms up.
I have not grafted onto Pennsylvanica yet but I’ve grafted grafts we’re successful on Rubra, Cerifera and Californica.
Simon
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Since acquiring the yangmei's, they were just outdoors underneath the calamondin.. i didnt want to give them special care them by wrapping with buddy tape and or in a GH. Since im always busy..im like if They die, they die.. so far 1 an hai & 1 male started to sprout considering they are on a very cold spot during the night & my area has very low humidity.
More power to yangmei growers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX/20220503-112200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD8W5yvX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v/20220503-112133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnZBdJ2v)
FYI,
I lost all my 1G grafted Yangmei's, however the two 3G I have are still alive.
I think that the Yangmei's plants need:
- Moderate roots temperature
- At least 6 hours of sunlight
- Dry out between watering
Itay
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Grafted Yangmei on 5g Myrica californica
(https://i.postimg.cc/fSxygWPQ/20220527-192428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSxygWPQ)
My best looking 1gs
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Other 1gs that are still alive, many are pushing growth now. I would put my plants into Cactus mix next time to enhance drainage. They definitely don't like getting too wet as bareroots.
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It looks like my plants have stabilized. I’ve had them under my misting system up to this point. Has anyone had success moving them outside? I’m trying to decide if I should have them in full shade, or under a 30% reduction shade cloth. What have been your experiences attempting to harden these off?
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It looks like my plants have stabilized. I’ve had them under my misting system up to this point. Has anyone had success moving them outside? I’m trying to decide if I should have them in full shade, or under a 30% reduction shade cloth. What have been your experiences attempting to harden these off?
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt/0-D9-D0-CD8-6-AF4-45-B8-8-B7-B-7-C88-E5-C3-DCDE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt)
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Nicely done! How many look good and how many trees did you start with?
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It looks like my plants have stabilized. I’ve had them under my misting system up to this point. Has anyone had success moving them outside? I’m trying to decide if I should have them in full shade, or under a 30% reduction shade cloth. What have been your experiences attempting to harden these off?
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt/0-D9-D0-CD8-6-AF4-45-B8-8-B7-B-7-C88-E5-C3-DCDE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt)
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Nicely done! How many look good and how many trees did you start with?
I started with seven, one of each variety (females only). Six are looking pretty good, while one is looking chlorotic. I’ve treated with the nematode treatment you recommended, and have given them a little fertilizer. So far, no response in leaf color on the one that’s looking a little stressed. I’m going to try a little diluted liquid kelp foliar spray and see if that helps. Any advice on hardening them off outdoors?
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Reedo,
I've found that it's important to transition them from higher humidity protected conditions to outdoor conditions gradually. I live in a pretty mild, humid microclimate and the week I moved a couple that I thought were ready outdoors to a shady spot, we got drying winds and the leaves dried out and plants did not recover. I think it can be deceiving that the plants are established and ready to go outside even without much root growth if they are growing under humid protected conditions. I would not rush it. I have noticed cuttings (not Yangmei) can have new growth for weeks without any roots. When I move my plants outside, I put them in a shady spot under other trees and a banana plant for increased humidity. The thing you have to watch out for when you put them outside are tiny caterpillars that will eat tender new growth, I check daily. Nice that most of your plants have made it. Good luck.
Janet
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It looks like my plants have stabilized. I’ve had them under my misting system up to this point. Has anyone had success moving them outside? I’m trying to decide if I should have them in full shade, or under a 30% reduction shade cloth. What have been your experiences attempting to harden these off?
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt/0-D9-D0-CD8-6-AF4-45-B8-8-B7-B-7-C88-E5-C3-DCDE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXQ2CVPt)
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I’ve hardened many of my grafted trees to full sun. Do it gradually because the new grafts are sensitive to drying out and if you’re coming from a greenhouse, shade house or artificial lighting, the UV shock can kill them easily.
Once they start growing vigorously, they can transition to full sun faster because the vigorous growth indicates the root system is recovered and also that the graft union has sufficiently healed.
Simon
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Reedo,
I've found that it's important to transition them from higher humidity protected conditions to outdoor conditions gradually. I live in a pretty mild, humid microclimate and the week I moved a couple that I thought were ready outdoors to a shady spot, we got drying winds and the leaves dried out and plants did not recover. I think it can be deceiving that the plants are established and ready to go outside even without much root growth if they are growing under humid protected conditions. I would not rush it. I have noticed cuttings (not Yangmei) can have new growth for weeks without any roots. When I move my plants outside, I put them in a shady spot under other trees and a banana plant for increased humidity. The thing you have to watch out for when you put them outside are tiny caterpillars that will eat tender new growth, I check daily. Nice that most of your plants have made it. Good luck.
Janet
Thanks for the info, Janet. That was helpful. My main reason for moving them out of the greenhouse is that it’s passive, I noticed when it got up into the 80’s inside, the leaves really started to suffer, despite the misting and higher humidity. I moved them outside under shade cloth, and sheltered by a potting table. Fingers crossed!
~Reed
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I’ve hardened many of my grafted trees to full sun. Do it gradually because the new grafts are sensitive to drying out and if you’re coming from a greenhouse, shade house or artificial lighting, the UV shock can kill them easily.
Once they start growing vigorously, they can transition to full sun faster because the vigorous growth indicates the root system is recovered and also that the graft union has sufficiently healed.
Simon
Thanks Simon!
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4/5 of my plants are either alive, pushing or leafed out. DK male and Black Carbon female leafed out quickly. WuSu female buds dried out, but still green under the bark. And just last week, DK female started pushing green buds. Interesting that with that same soil and location, DK male leafed out 4 months before DK female. Crystal is the only one that didn't make it, but I'll keep it around in case the rootstock takes over. I had them in a greenhouse against a west facing wall that gets unprotected late sun. I don't think they cared for that very much. I've up potted and moved them under full time shade cloth. Thanks again Bill/Amy/Joe! Hoping we can do another order this year
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Moved a bunch of my grafted yangmei outside about 4 or 5 days ago. The ones in the front have this super sad droop going on, which I thought may be just because of a lack of wind in the hoop house theyve been in. But they look pretty unhappy. Almost thinking they just may not have been healed all the way on the graft? The ones in the back are rocking it, no damage or signs of slowing down. We even had a day of incredible fog rain yesterday and thats really when I noticed the stress. So humidity wasn't helping their situation.
Front plants: Dong Kui and Biqi, back plants are both BC Black crystal or something? Don't quite remember
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Moved a bunch of my grafted yangmei outside about 4 or 5 days ago. The ones in the front have this super sad droop going on, which I thought may be just because of a lack of wind in the hoop house theyve been in. But they look pretty unhappy. Almost thinking they just may not have been healed all the way on the graft? The ones in the back are rocking it, no damage or signs of slowing down. We even had a day of incredible fog rain yesterday and thats really when I noticed the stress. So humidity wasn't helping their situation.
Front plants: Dong Kui and Biqi, back plants are both BC Black crystal or something? Don't quite remember
(https://i.postimg.cc/S2MhwBCt/20220606-180240.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2MhwBCt)
Nate,
Do you think they just go shocked from a quick transition? I’m sure the grafts would have healed by now? I’m glad you’re having success with grafting these!
I ended up throwing my trees from full shade to full sun and they didn’t slow down 1 bit.
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Now that I think about it one of them was drooping in the greenhouse so I thought it might have been an issue of the plant not having enough turgidity so my thought was to move it outside to toughen it up. Seemed to continue its sadness, haha.
Also, I'm importing a ton of Myrica esculenta in. I think they should be great candidates for rootstocks because they are more closely related. I already have 3 plants (~2 or 3 years old) and they have been super vigorous and much less sensitive than the yangmei seedlings.
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Now that I think about it one of them was drooping in the greenhouse so I thought it might have been an issue of the plant not having enough turgidity so my thought was to move it outside to toughen it up. Seemed to continue its sadness, haha.
Also, I'm importing a ton of Myrica esculenta in. I think they should be great candidates for rootstocks because they are more closely related. I already have 3 plants (~2 or 3 years old) and they have been super vigorous and much less sensitive than the yangmei seedlings.
Will you be offering any of the esculenta?
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Yep, ill be getting a large amount of seeds. So I might sell some seeds but mostly just plants
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Yep, ill be getting a large amount of seeds. So I might sell some seeds but mostly just plants
awesome, I am interested!!
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Moved a bunch of my grafted yangmei outside about 4 or 5 days ago. The ones in the front have this super sad droop going on, which I thought may be just because of a lack of wind in the hoop house theyve been in. But they look pretty unhappy. Almost thinking they just may not have been healed all the way on the graft? The ones in the back are rocking it, no damage or signs of slowing down. We even had a day of incredible fog rain yesterday and thats really when I noticed the stress. So humidity wasn't helping their situation.
Front plants: Dong Kui and Biqi, back plants are both BC Black crystal or something? Don't quite remember
(https://i.postimg.cc/S2MhwBCt/20220606-180240.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2MhwBCt)
Nice! Some of those are looking REALLY good. Any shade cloth, or are they in full sun? It looks like a couple of those are ready to go in the. ground. Nice work Nate!
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They are under some oak trees and get sun from about 7-9am then 5 or so to sunset. Hopefully gonns put em in the ground this week with some shade cages!
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9 out 18. 1 out 3 multi grafted, the 2 whole seedlings dead. They are out of the mist environment for 2 months. Only morning sunlight.
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Ended up unwrapping the grafts on those plants posted earlier. The ones that were suffering ultimately kicked the bucket and it seems like they just didn't really heal at all. Pretty wild! The other two have super beautiful callouses and look like they should hold. I have had a lot of grafts that were less vigorous fail recently as well. It seems like the M. californica rootstock would even die under the graft (about an inch of death) which ultimately may have resulted in the failure of the graft.
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It seems like the M. californica rootstock would even die under the graft (about an inch of death) which ultimately may have resulted in the failure of the graft.
Same here.
1 out 3 grafted survived. They were all had new buds and little branches, and looked good, but 2 of them suddenly death, included the rootstocks. I still not able to figure out why.
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Ended up unwrapping the grafts on those plants posted earlier. The ones that were suffering ultimately kicked the bucket and it seems like they just didn't really heal at all. Pretty wild! The other two have super beautiful callouses and look like they should hold. I have had a lot of grafts that were less vigorous fail recently as well. It seems like the M. californica rootstock would even die under the graft (about an inch of death) which ultimately may have resulted in the failure of the graft.
I wonder if it's a less-than-ideal rootstock? I've never heard of so many talented grafters having so many failures?! Looking forward to your results with those new seeds coming in! Fingers crossed!
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Based on this website.
https://m.mydrivers.com/newsview/839261.html?ref=https%3A//www.google.com/
Yangmei cost 60 yuan, Chinese money almost $10 per fruit to Dubai. Soooo expensive.
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I up potted my lone biqi survivor into a spicier soil mix. It seems to be doing ok. I lost my other biqi and regret not just cutting it up into branches and grafting to the Californica I have. I will cut the male up and graft when it gets over the transplant shock and boosts again.
I was lucky try 1lb of yangmei fruit and it’s the real deal. One of the better rare fruits I tried with a near perfect balance of sweet, sour, bitter and very juicy. I get the hype now.
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I know the bi-rite store in ca has these fruits occasionally from Calmei Yangmei…if anyone picks up a pound of some fruit and ships it to me, I’ll give you my an hai Yangmei tree! It’s really big🤭.
Offer expired! Come again later!
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I up potted my lone biqi survivor into a spicier soil mix. It seems to be doing ok. I lost my other biqi and regret not just cutting it up into branches and grafting to the Californica I have. I will cut the male up and graft when it gets over the transplant shock and boosts again.
I was lucky try 1lb of yangmei fruit and it’s the real deal. One of the better rare fruits I tried with a near perfect balance of sweet, sour, bitter and very juicy. I get the hype now.
Your tree look good. When it sends out red buds, or red new leaves, or leaves with red hue, it means the tree is very healthy. Good luck.
The fruits are indeed very delicious and very unique. I’m glad that you like them. Which variety did you try?
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Your tree look good. When it sends out red buds, or red new leaves, or leaves with red hue, it means the tree is very healthy. Good luck.
The fruits are indeed very delicious and very unique. I’m glad that you like them. Which variety did you try?
I think it is about to push right now, it has been on pause for a very long time in the peat moss I used to root it. Unfortunately many roots broke off when I up-potted it into FoxFarm, but it's still looking ok overall. The peat moss was maybe not the best medium for rooting and I would go 50/50 with FoxFarm peat next time, the peat didn't have enough nutrition and I think it held it back, even from building roots. It was just luck this one survived.
I got the black pearl variety from Calmei. Very good, but VERY expensive. For me it was worth it because I've already spent $400 on yangmei trees so I absolutely needed to know if it was worth this $ and effort.
In my opinion it is worth my losses and I'm very happy to have a tree despite all the heartache. I would try again if we got another good deal for big trees again.
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I hope everyone's plant is doing well. Now is the final test for them: SUMMER...
Since it takes so long for this plant to heal and grow new roots, I'd say that anything that pushes within a month of planting is pretty much going to die. I didn't want to jinx it back when people were so excited.
So slow push is good. Hopefully the plants took the off time to develop roots.
What seems to be the strongest and weakest varieties? "DongKui males" seem to do well. Wusu seems to be good. Black Carbon is the weakest?
Based on my grafting 1 scion each from my neighbor's 3 grafted plants, wusu is the strongest since it's the only one that made it. Honestly, I didn't expect any of them to take. The twigs were pretty far from the ideal size. Even fresh from my mom's tree, twigs of this size don't survive.
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I had 4 plants total: 1 biqi female, 1 biqi male, two dongkui.
The only survivor is biqi male. I up potted it from the rooting medium of peat moss into potting soil and it's still alive and building buds so that's promising. I think once I see buds on the branches I'll chop it up and graft to californica, it's just doing not too well on its current roots and I fear it will die.
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For me, the An Hai was the strongest/ easiest. My only tree to make it from Beicadad's original order was An Hai (I think I had ordered 2). I only ordered 1 An Hai from Bill's order and it survived and is doing well. Not sure if it's because of the nematodes but none of the 4 Black Carbons from Bill's order survived, and Dongkui from Beicadad and Bill (I think total of 5) did not make it.
Janet
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Here is my update:
The 2 orders from Bill, total 18 plants. the following are still alive. 33% successful rate.
* 1 x WuSu
* 1 X DK (Male, the only male tree that I ordered) (Strongest of all)
* 1 X DK female
* 1 X Crystal
* 1 X BiQi
* 1 X late
12 grafted on 3 trees, and 10 of the grafted die included the 2 rootstock themselves. Only on rootstock with only One DK female and one DK Male grafted is doing fine.
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Last night I was re reading the Yangmei thread from the 2012 start. We have come a looong way! I recommend you read it. Many peoples mistakes and tips are in there.
Out of the 2 orders I purchased 6 trees
2 from first order that I assigned to someone in CA to take care of which died(no hate to you…thanks for doing it! Everyone else’s died anyways!)
And four from second order.
I got 3/4
Biqi
Dk male
An hai
And black crystal which died….it pushed and had good roots…no idea?
They have been chugging along. For now….I’ve been acquiring rootstock for the long haul grafts.
The best looking is the male, but everyone else has been good, and I think mine are the biggest out of everyone’s in the march order…send me a picture if you think otherwise! Of course anything could happen and my trees could die…it’s a daily process.
I’ve been trating for RKN
Reading off the earlier thread, in ground in 7b might not be the best. I’ll stick to pots until I have more stock to do experiments.
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I’m glad there are a lot more trees in the us and that we can start getting scions if all else fails….if another order takes place, I’d buy a couple trees just for scions! Based off of other peoples experiences, it’s best to graft right when you receive the tree. Even from the very first order by beicadad, the tree I got, although weak and old from shipping, the branches looked very fresh. Unfortunately I had no idea and no rootstock so I just watch it die back to nothing.
If anyones interested, there is a black carbon being sold on eBay auction ending tonight by Fruitsy Farms! Check him out! I’ve got some cool stuff from him before!
For future reference for me and anyone else, here is some progress pics.
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I wonder where Fruitsy Farms got the Black Crystal. He said, he didn't join the group buy
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I wonder where Fruitsy Farms got the Black Crystal. He said, he didn't join the group buy
After talking to him, he said he has been growing these rare trees for a long time…he’s probably us time to propagate them by himself which he has done.
Cool stuff!
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A couple updates on my in ground plants:
Seedling full sun
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Seedling in shade cage
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The grafted squad from the last shipment:
On Myrica californica, grafted by myself
Don't remember which is which, but I succesfully grafted: Biqi, Dongkui, Crystal, WuSu
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From Beicadad shipment:
Biqi on rootstock from China
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A couple updates on my in ground plants:
Seedling full sun
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Seedling in shade cage
(https://i.postimg.cc/CnSthYQs/20220630-100618.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnSthYQs)
The grafted squad from the last shipment:
On Myrica californica, grafted by myself
Don't remember which is which, but I succesfully grafted: Biqi, Dongkui, Crystal, WuSu
(https://i.postimg.cc/hQ4BC9cn/20220630-100644.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQ4BC9cn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w7GpVyPK/20220630-100656.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7GpVyPK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMq2TycB/20220630-100706.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMq2TycB)
From Beicadad shipment:
Biqi on rootstock from China
(https://i.postimg.cc/xccrcjd6/20220630-100718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xccrcjd6)
I’m not sure if you mentioned this, but may I ask what your approx grafting percentage was?
Thanks!
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Probably around 40-50% takes.
I had one that took but after I unwrapped it and went to plant it a couple days later it snapped off the union. It had only healed in one small section, about a mm or two. They certainly are difficult to graft.
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Probably around 40-50% takes.
I had one that took but after I unwrapped it and went to plant it a couple days later it snapped off the union. It had only healed in one small section, about a mm or two. They certainly
are difficult to graft.
Thanks for your story. I wonder if approach grafting is the right way to go? Problem is that I suck at approach grafting. I probably ruined one of my plinias cause of that lol.
I guess the best way is to mass graft if possible and just eat the losses.
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Yeah I'm honestly not sure. It seems like it's just such a hardwood species with thin cambium that it's just going to lend itself to be difficult to graft. Would love to hear other's thoughts and experiences on the matter.
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Ok so I thought this would be good to share with the group…
First,
Read as many papers about Yangmei as you can. Like Simon mentioned, most of them were written in China with those conditions, and not for people here in the US, but they still have good info.
I’ve learned a lot
Second,
These suckers can tolerate water…I was on vacation to the avocado land this week and just got back. My dad set up a sprinkler system for the plants so they wouldn’t dry out while we were gone…well I forgot to tell him that every day water is too much…I remembered that when I was in Mexico so too late. My greenhouse is a mess with all the plants ok but here’s the important part….
The Yangmei were in a tub so the RKN wouldn’t go out in the ground. I also put paper towels to stop any spray of soil. But the thing flooded( sitting in an cm or so of water) not like flooded …they were sitting in standing water for the most part. 8 days. I assume the water dried during the day so I can’t say the take standing water, but water everyday like this…I am happy
But they look freakin good! The male has been going off!!! I’ll upload a pic later! Wow! Every day they were watered in a tub. But they didn’t slow down at all! This just shows that good roots have developed now and there is no worry of over watering them like when I just got them.
Also, is anyone interested in identifying their trees gender? Marta and really good plants does dna testing.
10 samples is $200
I don’t have 10 teees, but if I could get together enough, maybe it would be worth it to do a run?
I have 2 plants I want to ID
If you want to be on this maybe list, pm me or post here.
1. Rootstock sucker Jaboticaba45
2. Male tree Jaboticaba45
3. Sucker FV Fruit Freak
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Does anyone in the Bay area know about this partnership yang-mei grower?
Seems like they have varieties that are not originally from China?
http://calmei-yangmei.com/grow-with-us/
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Does anyone in the Bay area know about this partnership yang-mei grower?
Seems like they have varieties that are not originally from China?
http://calmei-yangmei.com/grow-with-us/
I'm pretty sure they've just renamed those varieties for the market here
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Does anyone in the Bay area know about this partnership yang-mei grower?
Seems like they have varieties that are not originally from China?
http://calmei-yangmei.com/grow-with-us/
I'm pretty sure they've just renamed those varieties for the market here
I saw the California Rare Fruit Growers interview with him. The original plants are from China. Like Nat said, just rename them to market here.
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im going to take a pic next time Im out but heres the update with my yangmei plant. Its doing ok in full sun here. Not growing that quickly and I can tell by looking at it that it doesnt really like the super hot sun but its taking it and flushing. Just doesnt look like its as well suited to this environment as almost any of the other stuff Im growing. Avocados, stone fruits, lychees mangos etc are just flushing lie crazy now but the yangmei looks like its not super happy. But it may just need a couple years to get going strong.
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Here it is in all its glory. Its roasting in the sun and just creeping along ok. Nothing special to write home about but also not suffering.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bSXPm3VY/20220708-100241-heic.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSXPm3VY)
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Brad, your tree looks great, especially with your plant it and forget about it style of planting. The research does show photo inhibition above a specific amount of light but your trees prove that it can take the intense sun without protection so far.
As for approach grafting Yangmei, it works fine and I found it relatively easy but it takes more work and time.
Simon
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it was triple digits a week or 2 ago and mid 90s here all the time. its making it flush and I dont see any damage. but the leaves do look small like theres too much flux.
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Hey how’s everyone’s Yangmei doing?
I recently planted this an hai in ground. I was going to sell it to a gentleman in FL, but the deal fell through when I couldn’t find a big enough box. Plus the leaves turned a bit brown…
I checked the roots and there are no signs of RKN at all. The roots that had galls rotted off and died. Now all I see are new white and brown mature roots. I decided to plant in ground.
Based off my research it seems this can survive here.
The plants are healthy and I saw little white feeder roots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW/25-A26899-34-C6-4927-B9-D3-CB8-FE265698-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW)
Just to be safe, I planted this away from my plants even though I think there is no RKN now. I’ll keep treating and will follow up with beneficial nematodes to seal the deal. Even if they spread, in this climate and soil, the damage will be minimal.
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Hey how’s everyone’s Yangmei doing?
I recently planted this an hai in ground. I was going to sell it to a gentleman in FL, but the deal fell through when I couldn’t find a big enough box. Plus the leaves turned a bit brown…
I checked the roots and there are no signs of RKN at all. The roots that had galls rotted off and died. Now all I see are new white and brown mature roots. I decided to plant in ground.
Based off my research it seems this can survive here.
The plants are healthy and I saw little white feeder roots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW/25-A26899-34-C6-4927-B9-D3-CB8-FE265698-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW)
Just to be safe, I planted this away from my plants even though I think there is no RKN now. I’ll keep treating and will follow up with beneficial nematodes to seal the deal. Even if they spread, in this climate and soil, the damage will be minimal.
In zone 7b? What will you do to protect it?
On my end, my yangmei is totally parked and not moving at all so I'm just going to graft it onto some californica and call it a day. The Californicas are growing very fast and I will miss the window of rootstock diameter to yangmei branch diameter if I wait too long.
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Hey how’s everyone’s Yangmei doing?
I recently planted this an hai in ground. I was going to sell it to a gentleman in FL, but the deal fell through when I couldn’t find a big enough box. Plus the leaves turned a bit brown…
I checked the roots and there are no signs of RKN at all. The roots that had galls rotted off and died. Now all I see are new white and brown mature roots. I decided to plant in ground.
Based off my research it seems this can survive here.
The plants are healthy and I saw little white feeder roots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW/25-A26899-34-C6-4927-B9-D3-CB8-FE265698-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLmyHbjW)
Just to be safe, I planted this away from my plants even though I think there is no RKN now. I’ll keep treating and will follow up with beneficial nematodes to seal the deal. Even if they spread, in this climate and soil, the damage will be minimal.
In zone 7b? What will you do to protect it?
On my end, my yangmei is totally parked and not moving at all so I'm just going to graft it onto some californica and call it a day. The Californicas are growing very fast and I will miss the window of rootstock diameter to yangmei branch diameter if I wait too long.
Problem with grafting I guess is low success rates and unless you grafted right when you got the trees, it takes a long time to get branches up to a decent size. I have some rootstocks also for grafting.
My other trees are doing fine, just slowly chugging along. I see a new push coming on soon.
Based off of reading, it seems like they can make it up here. Plenty of trees are planted in Japan where it snows. Also I talked with someone who said it took the mid 20s ok.
I’ll trial it, but I can make a small cage around it while it’s young for protection.
I mean, why do people sometimes cold stratify the seeds? That would only be done with temperate fruits. Makes no sense why a tropical fruit would need to be cold stratified? I know you can germinate them without the cold, but the fact it works for some and helps with uniform germination says something. I hypothesize this tree is kinda like a persimmon or loquat. They can both be grown and fruited in tropical and subtropical climates. We will see.
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I just put manure down around most of my orchard and uncaged the Yangmeis for a bit to put some poo on em, they sure are looking good!
Took a picture of the Crystal that I had grafted up, it's grown quite a bit. They really explode when they get in the ground. This tree is planted right where I had done a big burn pile earlier in the year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG/20220726-163545.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG)
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I just put manure down around most of my orchard and uncaged the Yangmeis for a bit to put some poo on em, they sure are looking good!
Took a picture of the Crystal that I had grafted up, it's grown quite a bit. They really explode when they get in the ground. This tree is planted right where I had done a big burn pile earlier in the year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG/20220726-163545.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG)
looking pure. nice work bro.
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I just put manure down around most of my orchard and uncaged the Yangmeis for a bit to put some poo on em, they sure are looking good!
Took a picture of the Crystal that I had grafted up, it's grown quite a bit. They really explode when they get in the ground. This tree is planted right where I had done a big burn pile earlier in the year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG/20220726-163545.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Xr6mtMKG)
Is that on californica?
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Yessiree, m californica
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(https://i.postimg.cc/7bBwR4Y1/894-D991-A-5836-4-D02-959-B-DBF2-A65-C9-BE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bBwR4Y1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLdvk7zH/8-D3483-CE-AB9-B-49-AD-905-C-63895-E72-CC71.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLdvk7zH)
Got tired of waiting for the yangmei roots to come back and was worried I would lose the plant. Risked it and grafted the plant up to californica. It’s in the shade in my greenhouse now.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/7bBwR4Y1/894-D991-A-5836-4-D02-959-B-DBF2-A65-C9-BE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bBwR4Y1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLdvk7zH/8-D3483-CE-AB9-B-49-AD-905-C-63895-E72-CC71.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLdvk7zH)
Got tired of waiting for the yangmei roots to come back and was worried I would lose the plant. Risked it and grafted the plant up to californica. It’s in the shade in my greenhouse now.
At least there’s a good chance the grafts take and then you still got the mother plant!
I think your trees roots should be fine though? Here’s how mine looked when I re potted them into 7 gals. This is with treatment for RKN so I think with treatment my trees grew faster than everyone else’s cause there no worms or at least less.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9r3rMjcV/61-F4-D89-B-D16-F-4-DD2-BB17-77-B8-BB2556-F8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9r3rMjcV)
I’m curious to see if you used the tips of the branches(new growth) or the older branches with mature bark?
Please keep us updated on how it goes! Wish you the best!
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It seams this post would be better suited for a subtropical folder:
"Myrica rubra, also called yangmei, yamamomo, Chinese bayberry, red bayberry, yumberry, waxberry, or Chinese strawberry is a subtropical tree grown for its fruit."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrica_rubra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropics#/media/File:World_map_indicating_tropics_and_subtropics.png
(https://i.postimg.cc/cg4fr78n/World-map-indicating-tropics-and-subtropics.png) (https://postimg.cc/cg4fr78n)
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Just wanted to bump this thread to see how everyone’s trees are doing? I’m especially eager to find out if anyones trees will bloom this year.
I’m guessing my larger trees will bloom this year/2023, but I don’t think my DNA confirmed make rootstock is mature enough to produce pollen.
Hopefully a few of us will get fruit in 2023 or 2024. Good luck with everyone’s trees!
Simon
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Just wanted to bump this thread to see how everyone’s trees are doing? I’m especially eager to find out if anyones trees will bloom this year.
I’m guessing my larger trees will bloom this year/2023, but I don’t think my DNA confirmed make rootstock is mature enough to produce pollen.
Hopefully a few of us will get fruit in 2023 or 2024. Good luck with everyone’s trees!
Simon
Only 2/7 of my Chinese plants are still alive, and are doing so-so, but the plants I grafted are doing great!
(https://i.postimg.cc/gLY3wvFd/IMG-9895.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLY3wvFd)
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the grafted plants from China are doing good for me. I planted all 3 in ground...
I'll take the measures to protect them if it gets too cold, but I think they should be fine. A bit risky of a move, but they weren't too happy in pots. Nice growth on all 3. But 2 look nutrient deficient of some sort. I've been too busy and lazy to fertilize. I'll do it tomorrow.
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I got rid of all of mines because of RKN. The quarantining is too much of a hassle. Looks like no one here cares about RKN, too bad!
Good luck anyway.
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I got rid of all of mines because of RKN. The quarantining is too much of a hassle. Looks like no one here cares about RKN, too bad!
Good luck anyway.
I treated mine and have no signs at all. Roots are healthy. Also my climate won't really punish me even if I do contaminate my placce.
But yeah if I were in socal or south FL I'd worrry a lot.
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RKN are very prevalent here in Florida. I have yet to see a garden without them in my area. Some areas have light populations and other areas have heavy populations, but unless the area was recently flooded or treated, they are there. Maybe its different in South FL? To me its kindof like being concerned about bringing mosquitos into the state. My biggest concern would be that it would be a new species of RKN that would be more aggressive.
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RKN are very prevalent here in Florida. I have yet to see a garden without them in my area. Some areas have light populations and other areas have heavy populations, but unless the area was recently flooded or treated, they are there. Maybe its different in South FL? To me its kindof like being concerned about bringing mosquitos into the state. My biggest concern would be that it would be a new species of RKN that would be more aggressive.
Thanks for the insight. I hear they do well in sandy soils so I was just assuming FL and CA...Although south FL is basically limerock so probably better?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/sQn2XVH7/20221016-135658.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQn2XVH7)
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Does anyone want to try some seeds out? I got some fresh ones last July and cold stratified them...I'm willing to part with 5-10
Just need to pay shipping
and must have participated in any of the group orders. (Just don't want random person to take them if they don't even know what they are lol)
Send me a pm if interested.
They are fresh, but even then I have no idea on germination rates they seem very hard to sprout.
Edit: These have been claimed.
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All my plants are doing well.
Grafted plants certainly thriving and growing much more than the potted RKN plants that are at my home and not my farm.
I'm going to uncage my in the ground grafted plants early november and hope they should take the transition smoothly and explode with growth next year. I'll try and get some pictures this week.
Side note: I haven't treated the potted yangmei we imported from china for RKN and the new roots are looking very healthy. Does RKN usually affect the older root tissue or do they also damage new root growth?
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I've got some Yangmei that made it from the last 2 orders. Much higher success putting them straight in the ground for me. Here are some pictures of a male and female Yangmei and their general environment. I have some M Californica I plan to graft some Yangmei scion onto. My question is with the next order arriving in December, when should I graft? Im in Fallbrook, CA. Should I build a hoop house and plant these in the ground under the hoop house (seems like a lot of work!). Id rather not pot them up and transplant into the ground later since my experience has been so poor with potted Yangmei. Any advice? TIA
(https://i.postimg.cc/30hC670p/yangmei1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30hC670p)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LhFcR1zk/yangmei2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhFcR1zk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XBgc6h9P/yangmei3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBgc6h9P)
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All my plants are doing well.
Grafted plants certainly thriving and growing much more than the potted RKN plants that are at my home and not my farm.
I'm going to uncage my in the ground grafted plants early november and hope they should take the transition smoothly and explode with growth next year. I'll try and get some pictures this week.
Side note: I haven't treated the potted yangmei we imported from china for RKN and the new roots are looking very healthy. Does RKN usually affect the older root tissue or do they also damage new root growth?
They affect both, but damage is usually more pronounced on older roots because they have been exposed longer. One benefit woth RKN is that you can see damage. Some nematodes provide no external evidence other than a decline in growth.
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Just wanted to bump this thread to see how everyone’s trees are doing? I’m especially eager to find out if anyones trees will bloom this year.
I’m guessing my larger trees will bloom this year/2023, but I don’t think my DNA confirmed make rootstock is mature enough to produce pollen.
Hopefully a few of us will get fruit in 2023 or 2024. Good luck with everyone’s trees!
Simon
Only 2/7 of my Chinese plants are still alive, and are doing so-so, but the plants I grafted are doing great!
(https://i.postimg.cc/gLY3wvFd/IMG-9895.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLY3wvFd)
That tree looks really healthy and with all the other imported trees that survived, we should start seeing fruitful trees in the coming years.
My imported, grafted and seedling trees are doing good and putting on a lot of growth.
Simon
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the grafted plants from China are doing good for me. I planted all 3 in ground...
I'll take the measures to protect them if it gets too cold, but I think they should be fine. A bit risky of a move, but they weren't too happy in pots. Nice growth on all 3. But 2 look nutrient deficient of some sort. I've been too busy and lazy to fertilize. I'll do it tomorrow.
I noticed that the imported tree I got from Bills previous order that was heavily infested with RKN had nutrient deficient/chlorotic leaves even though I treated them. Once the RKN gets under control and the roots start growing g vigorously and un-infected, the leaves bounce back.
Simon
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I got rid of all of mines because of RKN. The quarantining is too much of a hassle. Looks like no one here cares about RKN, too bad!
Good luck anyway.
Thera, the RKN is a huge issue, nobody should be slack about their treatment plan. These bugs have the potential to infect our precious soil.
I have been successful grafting the branches from the infected trees onto non infected rootstocks and their growth is significantly improved.
Simon
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All my plants are doing well.
Grafted plants certainly thriving and growing much more than the potted RKN plants that are at my home and not my farm.
I'm going to uncage my in the ground grafted plants early november and hope they should take the transition smoothly and explode with growth next year. I'll try and get some pictures this week.
Side note: I haven't treated the potted yangmei we imported from china for RKN and the new roots are looking very healthy. Does RKN usually affect the older root tissue or do they also damage new root growth?
Did you get any plants with super infected roots? I got one that was super knotted up on every inch and I’ve thrown everything at it and it still looks chlorotic. I think it’s starting to recover from the RKN because there is lots of new growth. I’m expecting the roots to look fine because I treated it.
If anyone didn’t treat their plants, there may be a low level infection and issues may not arise until many years down the road. Damage will be more noticeable on vegetable than fruit trees.
Simon
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I've got some Yangmei that made it from the last 2 orders. Much higher success putting them straight in the ground for me. Here are some pictures of a male and female Yangmei and their general environment. I have some M Californica I plan to graft some Yangmei scion onto. My question is with the next order arriving in December, when should I graft? Im in Fallbrook, CA. Should I build a hoop house and plant these in the ground under the hoop house (seems like a lot of work!). Id rather not pot them up and transplant into the ground later since my experience has been so poor with potted Yangmei. Any advice? TIA
(https://i.postimg.cc/30hC670p/yangmei1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30hC670p)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LhFcR1zk/yangmei2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhFcR1zk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XBgc6h9P/yangmei3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBgc6h9P)
Beautiful garden AND view!!! Nicely done.
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the grafted plants from China are doing good for me. I planted all 3 in ground...
I'll take the measures to protect them if it gets too cold, but I think they should be fine. A bit risky of a move, but they weren't too happy in pots. Nice growth on all 3. But 2 look nutrient deficient of some sort. I've been too busy and lazy to fertilize. I'll do it tomorrow.
I noticed that the imported tree I got from Bills previous order that was heavily infested with RKN had nutrient deficient/chlorotic leaves even though I treated them. Once the RKN gets under control and the roots start growing g vigorously and un-infected, the leaves bounce back.
Simon
This makes more sense. Thanks Simon!
The best looking one I think had the most roots and didn't look like it had much RKN.
The others had some I think.
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Anyone will have budwood for yangmei in Feb-April? I would be interested in trades or buy.
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Ok here's an update
Mine are all in ground and they have taken high 20s here
New growth gets frazzled but the old growth is fine though looks trash cause of nematodes. They are still recovering as Simon mentioned earlier I think.
If they can kinda go dormant and not grow during the winter this will be very good
Not sure though the weather here has been trash and i plated them later in season
lol
Still alive though
Hopefully they can grow super big once summer comes
I probably will have to protect them when it gets below 20 ish.
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I've been talking to a grower in China and they stated that there are no named male trees. Like others may have thought, it's probably just marketing. they said most male trees are grown from seed.
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Anyone will have budwood for yangmei in Feb-April? I would be interested in trades or buy.
I need to trim my biqi plant if you want some cuttings. Its starting to grow like a weed now.
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Hello
Can anyone ID this plant? Is it something that's compatible rootstock with Yangmei?
(https://i.postimg.cc/3krFNtXk/20221227-092620.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3krFNtXk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kBvy70br/20221227-092624.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBvy70br)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PPj4sXNz/20221227-092634.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPj4sXNz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKN7HRDp/20221227-092657.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKN7HRDp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XBwkGh1C/20221227-092841.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBwkGh1C)
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Hello
Can anyone ID this plant? Is it something that's compatible rootstock with Yangmei?
(https://i.postimg.cc/3krFNtXk/20221227-092620.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3krFNtXk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kBvy70br/20221227-092624.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBvy70br)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PPj4sXNz/20221227-092634.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPj4sXNz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKN7HRDp/20221227-092657.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKN7HRDp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XBwkGh1C/20221227-092841.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBwkGh1C)
Toyon Heteromeles arbutifolia
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Thanks, NateTheGreat
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Found this cool video of someone in Seattle fruiting this one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cMiMJqGW56M
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Found this cool video of someone in Seattle fruiting this one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cMiMJqGW56M
He got his tree from http://calmei-yangmei.com/ and signed a legal doc don't propagate it.
He wrote a blog about his YangMei quest. Just Google Seattle Ben YangMei, you should able to find his blog.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/gXNkM9PB/BBF45665-D058-4852-A711-E5-FE6-DB76779.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXNkM9PB)
Had some Calmei seeds (from fruit) pop. Didn’t do anything special at all. No cold stratifying, no scraping, no nothing just plopped into dirt. There are 4 pots full of seeds so I hope I’ll get more seedlings.
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I also tossed some seeds in pots and had some sprout. I didn’t throw them in the fridge or anything but they naturally cold stratified outside in Winter and sprouted in Spring or Summer, I forget exactly when. Once the seedlings get about 2-3 inches tall, they can grow extremely fast.
Hopefully you will get a bunch of sprouts!
Simon
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I also tossed some seeds in pots and had some sprout. I didn’t throw them in the fridge or anything but they naturally cold stratified outside in Winter and sprouted in Spring or Summer, I forget exactly when. Once the seedlings get about 2-3 inches tall, they can grow extremely fast.
Hopefully you will get a bunch of sprouts!
Simon
While I think the group buys were cool, I am more in to this seedling thing. They're from selected varieties so, I can't imagine they will be a truly terrible fruit. Does anyone know the time from seedling to flowering on Yangmei? I had read it was lengthy, 7 years or something, but I sort of doubt this with how fast they seem to grow?
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Newbie missed the order deadline…. If any order this year by any chance?
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Newbie missed the order deadline…. If any order this year by any chance?
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Bill said that he ordered extra trees so you may still be able to purchase trees from the current group buy.
Simon
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I've got some established Yangmei from the last order in 3g pots: Have Biqi and Wusu. Let me know if anyone is interested in them. They did have RKN coming in, although they don't show signs on the roots currently. Buyer purchases at own risk.
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I also tossed some seeds in pots and had some sprout. I didn’t throw them in the fridge or anything but they naturally cold stratified outside in Winter and sprouted in Spring or Summer, I forget exactly when. Once the seedlings get about 2-3 inches tall, they can grow extremely fast.
Hopefully you will get a bunch of sprouts!
Simon
While I think the group buys were cool, I am more in to this seedling thing. They're from selected varieties so, I can't imagine they will be a truly terrible fruit. Does anyone know the time from seedling to flowering on Yangmei? I had read it was lengthy, 7 years or something, but I sort of doubt this with how fast they seem to grow?
In the Australian article I posted somewhere, they said 8-10 years from seed to fruiting. I. Sure this can be shortened under ideal conditions.
Simon
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I also tossed some seeds in pots and had some sprout. I didn’t throw them in the fridge or anything but they naturally cold stratified outside in Winter and sprouted in Spring or Summer, I forget exactly when. Once the seedlings get about 2-3 inches tall, they can grow extremely fast.
Hopefully you will get a bunch of sprouts!
Simon
While I think the group buys were cool, I am more in to this seedling thing. They're from selected varieties so, I can't imagine they will be a truly terrible fruit. Does anyone know the time from seedling to flowering on Yangmei? I had read it was lengthy, 7 years or something, but I sort of doubt this with how fast they seem to grow?
In the Australian article I posted somewhere, they said 8-10 years from seed to fruiting. I. Sure this can be shortened under ideal conditions.
Simon
It seem strange this kind of plant would take that long to fruit. In 8 to 10 years the plant would be huge.
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Here’s an article discussing some potential health benefits of Yangmei.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chongde-Sun/publication/236254203_Biological_Activities_of_Extracts_from_Chinese_Bayberry_Myrica_rubra_Sieb_et_Zucc_A_Review/links/555af6e708ae6943a877e835/Biological-Activities-of-Extracts-from-Chinese-Bayberry-Myrica-rubra-Sieb-et-Zucc-A-Review.pdf
Simon
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The long juvenile period could be from low nutrient soils in areas where Myrica Rubra is endemic. The trees growing in those low nutrient areas probably have the symbiotic relationship with Frankia Actinomycetes which can help it uptake nutrients but may not push the trees growth as quickly as we can with available fertilizers.
That same Australian article also mentioned that Yangmei can grow to about 10 meters or about 32 feet tall so they can become really large trees. I know there are quite a few people with seedling trees so if we keep track of when they reach sexual maturity, we can start to build a database of useful information.
Here’s an article that discusses the germination of Myrica Rubra seeds
https://watermark.silverchair.com/28-9-1431.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAtQwggLQBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggLBMIICvQIBADCCArYGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMaBx--HRTjcxwUGLDAgEQgIICh8Y6w3E0q_QB8E_PLgSxmQvMkkYFyIC5AaJyXFMCN1Wmd3iZH1aQYetRBXgHniLlxXB4x8ojfOcZOW46bYe6z57Xbna-dJRhyzm0F78qgBPlDRrtmf9m0nwclsbXMyIoCiCv0pP8NLkDTVCe1XGR44V3a1cgkextktKlFqasxb5VEGMnTJI2Q0Sog2DPt-k1oSUIdp5t5vfTRM_wNzGK4Irikp-4VPmeFhl7CZf_-scrYtxS8_iCIJlbguizB-9z2Btrf68v0DmPmeQFJz2PAvgb9a0smdVVQcYWykO1odDTlnKrIwL42LFH14Um61XNq3T-udg9mHzQbLG2n76oc853y5dXZ1_3CIqWspK-tiDkctYl9j_kxmKxaKl2Bj99Ipkwl-HtlR49g_m585KsEFPoLIGdx8orBaEDx-DsxxSqIYnw5kB8auFbJNyZkvF0A-WhtmBUi14xgmcHKJ7EKEOfWUM2aSoY04s19Ed2XZEL_r0_k9XfQnQ0iu5kFPWYPKvF028ivmG4ZZ__EEZnyYZL_yQTs7UUMovqNMbdD1Z2KBNKUx6t_mzJj5akQ8j7M7GWe-cEfVtH4N2FEnrQiJyv1qxULdcHW5esxIMrWPjao0H6tYwAooviPKFK4j-WiqYiUXdUVKxhlhmcPxFie824UU-x4sMVIc6zfbIC74sxXpPTgoGEs0gTNtYbkS95FUvuq3fE4AbpEaH_VgSaOPeLUjMU5ePBcCkALg38lKoZgtdOoMgl3pT3YgTsWZGrdE4H3PwowBPlJuoJqTpBuabuYkZN2txEeSBCphU5QjDWweHoJx_htqCjBUIHHnd4v8mgLpN_U_3Z5t1gz1cDC68AvmGF01mn
Simon
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Hello folks
Just some tips from my personal experience with seedling yangmei trees here in Portugal northwest Atlantic coast (climate 9a):
From seeds planted back in 2013 and 2014 I successfully grew 12 seedlings. According to my records, one seedling sprouted in 2014 and all others in 2015.
Grew these seedlings in pots for some years and eventually planted all outside in the open back in 2016 or 2017 (don’t recall exact dates)
All seedlings grew well with no special care and got first flowers on a female plant back in 2020. No fruit set because no male flowers around.
In 2021 had first flowers on 3 other seedlings (1 male + 2 females ). All females had good fruit set as soon I got first male flowers in the orchard.
In 2022 all seedling trees flowered and fruited, and I ended up with exactly 6 males and 6 females.
So, my personal experience is that in 5 to 6 years from seed you can get seedlings to flower and fruit, and apparently chances are 50/50 to grow male or female trees from seed.
Absolutely you must consider having at least a male tree around your females to get good fruit set.
The main difference I have observed on male seedling trees is the vigor of the flowers and the timing of pollen production, meaning I have a male tree that starts shedding pollen very early in the year (early February) while others only start shedding pollen by march.
On the female seedling trees, I have noted a lot of variations on fruit quality, and so far, I have 4 out of 6 females that I already considered to be keepers and worth of propagation.
The 2 female seedling trees that I rated negatively for now were only because they produced lower caliber fruits even if the taste was still very good, but even these will be observed in the coming years for further evaluation as for now these 2 female trees were only on their first year of fruit set.
Two of my female seedling trees are producing what I consider excellent fruits in terms of fruit caliber and taste (a black fruit variety and a bright red fruit variety)
One of the female seedling trees is remarkable because of fruit ripeness precocity. This one show mature female flowers very early in the year (early to mid-February) and then starts ripening fruits by end of May, while the other female seedlings only start giving ripe fruits by end of June and early July, so basically this female tree gives me ripe yangmei fruits one full month ahead of others and extends the fruiting season.
For those familiar with my Facebook page you can find there some photos and videos of my Yangmei trees and fruits. Just look for "Miguel PT" on Facebook.
Before starting my experience with these 12 seedlings, I also grew a grafted tree from a supposed self-fertile variety. I imported this tree from a nursery in England back in 2008. I believe the English nursery imported it directly from China.
This grafted tree grew well and started flowering while still in a pot, and all flowers I could observe were clearly female. Even with closer observation I never detected any male flowers on this tree.
For years it flowered consistently without setting any fruits but eventually it had some fruit set some years, but the fruits were always in small quantity and production was not consistence with some years with zero fruit set, and other years with fruit set on only some branches.
On my records I found first photos of my Yangmei fruits dated from 2016 and I remember I’ve had fruits before but unfortunately, I didn’t kept any photos of it, but I still think I might have the record of the first Yangmei fruits produced in Europe.
My observation is that this self-fertile tree did in fact produced some male flowers, but not consistently and the quantity of pollen is not enough to assure good pollination and fruit set.
This is an ongoing experience, and these are for now my first report of results and comments.
Hope it can be helpful for you, guys.
Just keep it growing and good luck to you all Yangmei aficionados
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Hello folks
Just some tips from my personal experience with seedling yangmei trees here in Portugal northwest Atlantic coast (climate 9a):
From seeds planted back in 2013 and 2014 I successfully grew 12 seedlings. According to my records, one seedling sprouted in 2014 and all others in 2015.
Grew these seedlings in pots for some years and eventually planted all outside in the open back in 2016 or 2017 (don’t recall exact dates)
All seedlings grew well with no special care and got first flowers on a female plant back in 2020. No fruit set because no male flowers around.
In 2021 had first flowers on 3 other seedlings (1 male + 2 females ). All females had good fruit set as soon I got first male flowers in the orchard.
In 2022 all seedling trees flowered and fruited, and I ended up with exactly 6 males and 6 females.
So, my personal experience is that in 5 to 6 years from seed you can get seedlings to flower and fruit, and apparently chances are 50/50 to grow male or female trees from seed.
Absolutely you must consider having at least a male tree around your females to get good fruit set.
The main difference I have observed on male seedling trees is the vigor of the flowers and the timing of pollen production, meaning I have a male tree that starts shedding pollen very early in the year (early February) while others only start shedding pollen by march.
On the female seedling trees, I have noted a lot of variations on fruit quality, and so far, I have 4 out of 6 females that I already considered to be keepers and worth of propagation.
The 2 female seedling trees that I rated negatively for now were only because they produced lower caliber fruits even if the taste was still very good, but even these will be observed in the coming years for further evaluation as for now these 2 female trees were only on their first year of fruit set.
Two of my female seedling trees are producing what I consider excellent fruits in terms of fruit caliber and taste (a black fruit variety and a bright red fruit variety)
One of the female seedling trees is remarkable because of fruit ripeness precocity. This one show mature female flowers very early in the year (early to mid-February) and then starts ripening fruits by end of May, while the other female seedlings only start giving ripe fruits by end of June and early July, so basically this female tree gives me ripe yangmei fruits one full month ahead of others and extends the fruiting season.
For those familiar with my Facebook page you can find there some photos and videos of my Yangmei trees and fruits. Just look for "Miguel PT" on Facebook.
Before starting my experience with these 12 seedlings, I also grew a grafted tree from a supposed self-fertile variety. I imported this tree from a nursery in England back in 2008. I believe the English nursery imported it directly from China.
This grafted tree grew well and started flowering while still in a pot, and all flowers I could observe were clearly female. Even with closer observation I never detected any male flowers on this tree.
For years it flowered consistently without setting any fruits but eventually it had some fruit set some years, but the fruits were always in small quantity and production was not consistence with some years with zero fruit set, and other years with fruit set on only some branches.
On my records I found first photos of my Yangmei fruits dated from 2016 and I remember I’ve had fruits before but unfortunately, I didn’t kept any photos of it, but I still think I might have the record of the first Yangmei fruits produced in Europe.
My observation is that this self-fertile tree did in fact produced some male flowers, but not consistently and the quantity of pollen is not enough to assure good pollination and fruit set.
This is an ongoing experience, and these are for now my first report of results and comments.
Hope it can be helpful for you, guys.
Just keep it growing and good luck to you all Yangmei aficionados
Just to add a follow up on this story:
The reason I planted Yangmei seeds back in 2013 and 2014 was to try to get a male tree to pollinate the grafted female tree I already had growing in my orchard.
Unfortunately, this more than 10 years old grafted tree was destroyed by a huge flood we had here back in December 2019.
This tree was already more than 3 meters high with a trunk circumference of 20 cm, but somehow the water flow broke the tree trunk at ground level and the entire tree floated down stream.
When the water level recessed, I went down river looking for my tree, but I never managed to find the whole tree.
Luckily, I found some broken branches with green leaves still on it and managed to successfully graft one of those branches on a seedling, so this variety isn’t lost and it’s still growing on my personal Yangmei collection.
Now I can only imagine the quantity of fruits I could have had if this tree was still alive when the first male seedling started flowering.
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For those members want to grow YangMei by seeds. I brought about 30 seeds from eBay 2 years ago, it took over a year to germinated and only 1 sprouted. I did another one on Nov 2022, so far no sign of sprouting yet.
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For those members want to grow YangMei by seeds. I brought about 30 seeds from eBay 2 years ago, it took over a year to germinated and only 1 sprouted. I did another one on Nov 2022, so far no sign of sprouting yet.
I am surprised the Calmei fruit to seedling pipeline isn't more full. The fruit was very expensive so I didn't let any of the seeds go to waste, they all got potted, and I'm seeing new sprouts every day now. I think freshness of seed is paramount in yangmei (and a lot of patience waiting for it to sprout). I think I bought those fruit around July or August.
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Well, we will see more results soon given that I distributed over 200 seeds with some forum members a couple months back. To be honest if you can get good germination rates with seeds I don't see a problem. They'd make great future rootstocks anyway.
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For those members want to grow YangMei by seeds. I brought about 30 seeds from eBay 2 years ago, it took over a year to germinated and only 1 sprouted. I did another one on Nov 2022, so far no sign of sprouting yet.
I am surprised the Calmei fruit to seedling pipeline isn't more full. The fruit was very expensive so I didn't let any of the seeds go to waste, they all got potted, and I'm seeing new sprouts every day now. I think freshness of seed is paramount in yangmei (and a lot of patience waiting for it to sprout). I think I bought those fruit around July or August.
You are correct, since my seeds were brought from eBay. Don't know how long they were stored in the storage before sent out to me. Hopefully my Nov 2002 batch have to better success rate.
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Hello folks
Just some tips from my personal experience with seedling yangmei trees here in Portugal northwest Atlantic coast (climate 9a):
From seeds planted back in 2013 and 2014 I successfully grew 12 seedlings. According to my records, one seedling sprouted in 2014 and all others in 2015.
Grew these seedlings in pots for some years and eventually planted all outside in the open back in 2016 or 2017 (don’t recall exact dates)
All seedlings grew well with no special care and got first flowers on a female plant back in 2020. No fruit set because no male flowers around.
In 2021 had first flowers on 3 other seedlings (1 male + 2 females ). All females had good fruit set as soon I got first male flowers in the orchard.
In 2022 all seedling trees flowered and fruited, and I ended up with exactly 6 males and 6 females.
So, my personal experience is that in 5 to 6 years from seed you can get seedlings to flower and fruit, and apparently chances are 50/50 to grow male or female trees from seed.
Absolutely you must consider having at least a male tree around your females to get good fruit set.
The main difference I have observed on male seedling trees is the vigor of the flowers and the timing of pollen production, meaning I have a male tree that starts shedding pollen very early in the year (early February) while others only start shedding pollen by march.
On the female seedling trees, I have noted a lot of variations on fruit quality, and so far, I have 4 out of 6 females that I already considered to be keepers and worth of propagation.
The 2 female seedling trees that I rated negatively for now were only because they produced lower caliber fruits even if the taste was still very good, but even these will be observed in the coming years for further evaluation as for now these 2 female trees were only on their first year of fruit set.
Two of my female seedling trees are producing what I consider excellent fruits in terms of fruit caliber and taste (a black fruit variety and a bright red fruit variety)
One of the female seedling trees is remarkable because of fruit ripeness precocity. This one show mature female flowers very early in the year (early to mid-February) and then starts ripening fruits by end of May, while the other female seedlings only start giving ripe fruits by end of June and early July, so basically this female tree gives me ripe yangmei fruits one full month ahead of others and extends the fruiting season.
For those familiar with my Facebook page you can find there some photos and videos of my Yangmei trees and fruits. Just look for "Miguel PT" on Facebook.
Before starting my experience with these 12 seedlings, I also grew a grafted tree from a supposed self-fertile variety. I imported this tree from a nursery in England back in 2008. I believe the English nursery imported it directly from China.
This grafted tree grew well and started flowering while still in a pot, and all flowers I could observe were clearly female. Even with closer observation I never detected any male flowers on this tree.
For years it flowered consistently without setting any fruits but eventually it had some fruit set some years, but the fruits were always in small quantity and production was not consistence with some years with zero fruit set, and other years with fruit set on only some branches.
On my records I found first photos of my Yangmei fruits dated from 2016 and I remember I’ve had fruits before but unfortunately, I didn’t kept any photos of it, but I still think I might have the record of the first Yangmei fruits produced in Europe.
My observation is that this self-fertile tree did in fact produced some male flowers, but not consistently and the quantity of pollen is not enough to assure good pollination and fruit set.
This is an ongoing experience, and these are for now my first report of results and comments.
Hope it can be helpful for you, guys.
Just keep it growing and good luck to you all Yangmei aficionados
Thanks for all the detailed information Miguel! That is extremely useful information, especially the time to fruiting and fruit quality. I’m so excited about this newly rediscovered fruit!
Simon
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When the buy comes through I plan on doing some grafting. There are Myrica cerifera Southern Wax Myrtle available. Californica seems to be nowhere to be found in my area. What do you guys think? Is it viable for grafting or not? For those of you who tried how long was your scion?
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ヤマモモ
山桃
https://youtu.be/zv_Y382MWak
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Yes, M cerifera and Californica are both good candidates for grafting Yangmei. I’ve grafted long scions 3-5 inches long and also much smaller scions 1 inch long and they both grew fine.
Simon
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Yes, M cerifera and Californica are both good candidates for grafting Yangmei. I’ve grafted long scions 3-5 inches long and also much smaller scions 1 inch long and they both grew fine.
Simon
What diameter did you find worked best?
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ヤマモモ
山桃
https://youtu.be/zv_Y382MWak
That is bayberry not YangMei.
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ヤマモモ
山桃
https://youtu.be/zv_Y382MWak
That is bayberry not YangMei.
Are they not the same? Looks to be yangmei as they called it yamamomo. Nonetheless, those fruit looked small compared to others I've seen.
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ヤマモモ
山桃
https://youtu.be/zv_Y382MWak
That is bayberry not YangMei.
Bayberries are not yang mei? Do you know anything about them? Maybe they are also a grafting candidate. Yamamomo is in the same family as bayberry, ;) ....I think.
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When I cleft graft my trees, I try to match the diameter of the scion with the rootstock. The diameter is usually around 4 mm.
Yamamomo and Bayberry are typically both referring to Yangmei. In the Myrica/Morella genus, there are multiple species that produce edible fruit. Bayberry can be used to reference some of these other species but it generally refers to Yangmei as it is the most commonly planted species used for its fruit.
In Japan, it is often planted as an ornamental tree. Some of the seedling Yangmei have smaller fruit and some of the close relatives also have similar looking fruit that are often smaller in size.
Simon
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Congratulations on your success! Feel free to post pictures on this thread.
One word of caution is that if you’re using parafilm or Buddytape to hold in the moisture, I remove the film as soon as I start seeing buds. I like to remove the film before they brake through because they form so many buds, it becomes extremely difficult to remove the film later on.
Simon
great tip, thanks
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I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today. I noticed that the morphology of the new growths coming out of my An Hai look noticeably different than the regular buds that form vegetative growths. This tree is growing outside and was grafted 4 months ago onto M Californica rootstock. I try to avoid planting trees with rootstocks originating from China because of the potential for them to have Root Knot Nematodes.
I am not positive that these buds will become flowers but they sure look different than what I’m used to seeing. Even if these are flowers, I will not get fruit this year because my males have no signs of flowering yet. I have also noticed these “assumed” flower buds on Biqi and Dongkui trees that are scattered around San Diego.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq/5-CC05-F2-B-5-DD0-4-A6-E-9-E54-7201054-DB871.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0/CA9-A80-EF-591-B-4-A58-801-B-9-D84504867-FD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/23dgnRLb/E6-AEE664-8354-4282-8-DDE-4-B824310-E4-DD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dgnRLb)
Simon
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I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today. I noticed that the morphology of the new growths coming out of my An Hai look noticeably different than the regular buds that form vegetative growths. This tree is growing outside and was grafted 4 months ago onto M Californica rootstock. I try to avoid planting trees with rootstocks originating from China because of the potential for them to have Root Knot Nematodes.
I am not positive that these buds will become flowers but they sure look different than what I’m used to seeing. Even if these are flowers, I will not get fruit this year because my males have no signs of flowering yet. I have also noticed these “assumed” flower buds on Biqi and Dongkui trees that are scattered around San Diego.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq/5-CC05-F2-B-5-DD0-4-A6-E-9-E54-7201054-DB871.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0/CA9-A80-EF-591-B-4-A58-801-B-9-D84504867-FD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/23dgnRLb/E6-AEE664-8354-4282-8-DDE-4-B824310-E4-DD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dgnRLb)
Simon
Gosh darn it! I'm sorry to let you know. Those growths are stanicite equipoidea bugs. Your trees are in great danger Fortunately for you I happen to be one of three researchers that have a viable cure for them. I use a technique called "scion harvesting" to eliminate the problem. Just ship the infected plants out to me. I'll take care of it..... Really 😁
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I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today.
Looks very promising!
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I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today. I noticed that the morphology of the new growths coming out of my An Hai look noticeably different than the regular buds that form vegetative growths. This tree is growing outside and was grafted 4 months ago onto M Californica rootstock. I try to avoid planting trees with rootstocks originating from China because of the potential for them to have Root Knot Nematodes.
I am not positive that these buds will become flowers but they sure look different than what I’m used to seeing. Even if these are flowers, I will not get fruit this year because my males have no signs of flowering yet. I have also noticed these “assumed” flower buds on Biqi and Dongkui trees that are scattered around San Diego.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq/5-CC05-F2-B-5-DD0-4-A6-E-9-E54-7201054-DB871.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs3MFxTq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0/CA9-A80-EF-591-B-4-A58-801-B-9-D84504867-FD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrCDfMn0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/23dgnRLb/E6-AEE664-8354-4282-8-DDE-4-B824310-E4-DD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dgnRLb)
Simon
Gosh darn it! I'm sorry to let you know. Those growths are stanicite equipoidea bugs. Your trees are in great danger Fortunately for you I happen to be one of three researchers that have a viable cure for them. I use a technique called "scion harvesting" to eliminate the problem. Just ship the infected plants out to me. I'll take care of it..... Really 😁
Based off your detailed analysis of this horrifying stanicite equipoidea bug, I have decided to incinerate all affected trees in order to avoid passing this bug to others. This “ scion harvesting” technique sounds very interesting, I will look into it some more and hope this technique can save my remaining trees from this horrible insect, lol!
Simon
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Wow, that's awesome, Simon! Good luck!
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I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today.
Looks very promising!
Thanks, just in case anyone has not seen a vegetative bud on Yangmei, it is usually smaller, more pointy and doesn’t have as many scales. This supposed flower bud has many scales and looks reminiscent of a hops bud. I could still be completely wrong but it just looks different to me. I’ve been wrong many times before so take this post with a grain of salt.
It would be very exciting if this truly is a flower bud because it’s bringing us one step closer to fruiting this relatively new introduction. I know a lot of people (Facebook Yangmei group) have already fruited Yangmei, does this look like a potential bloom to you?
Simon
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simon, congrats on your potential buds, very exciting! i was wondering whether you have ever considered multi rootstock grafting yangmeis? your thread about doing so with mangoes (https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20852.0) is the 1st time i've heard of the concept and i find it very intriguing.
i get the impression that, just like with hybridization, the trick is finding the optimal amount of difference. monoembryonic and polyembryonic mangoes are relatively different, but how much difference is there among the group order yangmeis?
i imagine that there must be more difference between myrica species than within rubra itself. so what would happen if a rubra rootstock was combined with a californica rootstock? would this be more beneficial than having a rubra growing solely on a californica rootstock?
hedging bets is generally a sound strategy so i can't help but feel like multi rootstock grafting is a good idea.
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Hey Epiphyte,
It crossed my mind but Yangmei grows so fast that I’m not sure if there will be much benefit. For Mangos, I was trying to get my trees to grow faster but Yangmei takes off like a rocket once the root system gets established. Multiple rootstocking may increase yields, increase precocity and may inhibit alternate bearing but this crop is so novel that we don’t have a baseline to compare it against.
Most my grafted Yangmei shoot for the sky like this
(https://i.postimg.cc/hhSJ47R1/29-B944-C8-7587-4-B62-B903-B66-CB49-FFC36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhSJ47R1)
I’ve been topping them very low to create lower scaffold branches for easier harvesting.
Simon
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simon that's a happy looking yangmei. out of curiosity, how close are you to the coast? i'm kinda thinking that yangmei tend to be cooler to intermediate growers.
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I’m about 15 miles from the ocean, as the crow flies but I’m considered coastal inland to inland.
Simon
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Simon, I have never seen a Yangmei plant in real life, but I have a female wax myrtle (myrica cerifera) in my back yard. Its flower buds look exactly like what you have in the picture.
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Hey Galatians552,
Thanks for the confirmation! If you have a Cerifera plant already growing you should consider grafting Yangmei onto it. I’ve grafted a bunch of Cerifera rootstocks and they grow great. The only problem I have with Cerifera is that I’ll occasionally get scions that grow much faster than the rootstock so the trees will be top heavy until the rootstock catches up.
Simon
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Here’s an example
(https://i.postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s/CB402400-731-C-4461-9108-326-B92783-A8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s)
Simon
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Here’s an example
(https://i.postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s/CB402400-731-C-4461-9108-326-B92783-A8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s)
Simon
Like the person in the gym who only works upper body
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It’s like you know me, lol! By the way, I started doing calves and squats:)
Simon
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Here’s an example
(https://i.postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s/CB402400-731-C-4461-9108-326-B92783-A8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s)
Simon
Interesting. I'm wondering if it's just based on climate? I know cerifera isn't native to CA. I'm thinking it would do better down here especially for the FL people. Well, I'll have to see. Planning on grafts later this year.
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If anyone has any must do tips to offer I would love to hear them here are the things I did
-Soaked the roots upon arrival for 1 Hour
-Used the most well draining soil possible (3 parts de salted coco coir. 2 parts perlite, and about 0.5 parts worm castings)
-Took off the previous grafting tape that was girdling the graft
-Re wrapped the entire tree from 3 inches above the roots
-Added a teaspoon of half soil acidifier and half granular iron to the top of the soil
Things I will do,
-Very minimal watering to prevent root rot, (moist not wet soil)
-Remove all buddy tape at the sight of the swelling leaf buds
-Maintain a 70-80 percent humidity in the greenhouse
Any other Tips you may have to offer? Cheers
-Hunter Sims
(https://i.postimg.cc/LnpLvR4g/IMG-2293.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnpLvR4g)
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I pretty much did the same thing with addition of soaking an additional hour in nematode control. Also I plan on only using distilled water
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I pretty much did the same thing with addition of soaking an additional hour in nematode control. Also I plan on only using distilled water
That would be smart, I dont have any nematode control yet, I have beneficial nematodes but have not added them yet as I don't want to over water or if I use nemacide kill the good ones, for my water I am pulling straight from the Florida aquifer along with using a calcium inhibitor filter. Not sure if the Calcium filter makes much a difference.
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Here’s an example
(https://i.postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s/CB402400-731-C-4461-9108-326-B92783-A8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s)
Simon
Interesting. I'm wondering if it's just based on climate? I know cerifera isn't native to CA. I'm thinking it would do better down here especially for the FL people. Well, I'll have to see. Planning on grafts later this year.
It grows in the Caribbean and Bermudas which at least show M. Cerifera is pretty adaptable...I don't think M. Californica grows native as far South as San Diego so not sure its any better suited for SD. Im grafting onto both just to cover my basis though.
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Here’s an example
(https://i.postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s/CB402400-731-C-4461-9108-326-B92783-A8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xc9ZhM3s)
Simon
Interesting. I'm wondering if it's just based on climate? I know cerifera isn't native to CA. I'm thinking it would do better down here especially for the FL people. Well, I'll have to see. Planning on grafts later this year.
Most my Cerifera grafts look fine but some just end up like this for some reason.
Simon
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Simon, what type graft did you do on that tree?
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All I can say is that if you look at the picture, you can see the graft line. I can’t disclose specific details because of my contract with one of my partners.
Simon
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ok, got it, I could see the graft line and know what it is.
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Simon, I have never seen a Yangmei plant in real life, but I have a female wax myrtle (myrica cerifera) in my back yard. Its flower buds look exactly like what you have in the picture.
Hi Galatians552,
Does this look like the same flower buds on your myrica cerifera? Unfortunately, I decapitated mine to graft Yangmei on, so won't be able to find out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj/20230127-130150.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ/20230127-125955.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ)
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Simon, I have never seen a Yangmei plant in real life, but I have a female wax myrtle (myrica cerifera) in my back yard. Its flower buds look exactly like what you have in the picture.
Hi Galatians552,
Does this look like the same flower buds on your myrica cerifera? Unfortunately, I decapitated mine to graft Yangmei on, so won't be able to find out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj/20230127-130150.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ/20230127-125955.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ)
No, those look like vegetive buds to me. The female flower buds look almost like a really small, smooth pinecone. I don't have a male tree, so I am not as familiar with those buds.
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Simon, I have never seen a Yangmei plant in real life, but I have a female wax myrtle (myrica cerifera) in my back yard. Its flower buds look exactly like what you have in the picture.
Hi Galatians552,
Does this look like the same flower buds on your myrica cerifera? Unfortunately, I decapitated mine to graft Yangmei on, so won't be able to find out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj/20230127-130150.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4bxBTpj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ/20230127-125955.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWMbghvQ)
No, those look like vegetive buds to me. The female flower buds look almost like a really small, smooth pinecone. I don't have a male tree, so I am not as familiar with those buds.
Thanks, I didn't even consider that myrica cerifera would also be separate male and female trees.
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Thanks, I didn't even consider that myrica cerifera would also be separate male and female trees.
Yes, they have seperate male and female trees, too. Actually, in my experience the male trees far outnumber the female trees in the wild. With less than 25% of the trees being female as a rough guess. I wonder if this is related to the males having higher vigor? That might explain why some rootstocks seem to lag behind the Yangmei grafts. It would be interesting to have the rootstock in Simon's picture sexed to see if the was anything to this theory.
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I have my original Biqi on a DNA sexed male Rubra rootstock and it’s growing at approximately the same rate as my An Hai on DNA sexed female Rubra rootstock.
Simon
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I have my original Biqi on a DNA sexed male Rubra rootstock and it’s growing at approximately the same rate as my An Hai on DNA sexed female Rubra rootstock.
Simon
Interesting, but the test would be a cultuvar to cultivar test. Anhai on male Anhai on female with 100 or so plants on each using the same graft type.
BTW
What is your opinion on adding nematode treatment to soil after potting. I did a rehydrate soak but did not treat for nematodes before I potted. Do any of you think it is worth it at this point. All plants have been potted since Monday.
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I would not add any nematode treatment period, after chatting with Kelly he had about 8 thriving yangmei then added nematode treatment and weeks after, they all died,
In my perspective I would assume the trees are already stressed out and on the edge of death, if you add chemical treatment to them even in a small quantity it could shock them and lead to death of them, If youre going to plant it in the ground after its healthy then I would consider it because the treatment could slowly leach out, but in a container it has a harder time diluting away.
cant confirm this personally in my experience but after a 30 min call with a friend about just this, I would steer clear for now and just try to get them into better shape before playing with chemical treatment.
Cheers, -Hunter
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I would not add any nematode treatment period, after chatting with Kelly he had about 8 thriving yangmei then added nematode treatment and weeks after, they all died,
In my perspective I would assume the trees are already stressed out and on the edge of death, if you add chemical treatment to them even in a small quantity it could shock them and lead to death of them, If youre going to plant it in the ground after its healthy then I would consider it because the treatment could slowly leach out, but in a container it has a harder time diluting away.
cant confirm this personally in my experience but after a 30 min call with a friend about just this, I would steer clear for now and just try to get them into better shape before playing with chemical treatment.
Cheers, -Hunter
I only added one nice the trees started to grow. On the other hand, maybe nematode treatment helps the trees grow by killing nematodes that mess with the roots…like the roots already wrecked, and let the nematodes grow, then it’s game over? Who knows I’d play it safe though. Trees already stressed so probably better to wait. I soaked mine for about 20 mins. I’ll follow up if any do try to grow.
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Baby the trees in an area where they won't pass RKN, and use them for graft stock.
After getting them healthy, treat for RKN.
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Has anyone had success growing Yangmei from seed? Ive had no luck even after cold stratifying. Any tips ?
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I have my original Biqi on a DNA sexed male Rubra rootstock and it’s growing at approximately the same rate as my An Hai on DNA sexed female Rubra rootstock.
Simon
Interesting, but the test would be a cultuvar to cultivar test. Anhai on male Anhai on female with 100 or so plants on each using the same graft type.
BTW
What is your opinion on adding nematode treatment to soil after potting. I did a rehydrate soak but did not treat for nematodes before I potted. Do any of you think it is worth it at this point. All plants have been potted since Monday.
I agree. I should also mention that these two trees are planted at different locations in my yard so they have different Daily Light Integrals and Heat Units.
I am very wary of planting rootstocks originating from China because of the potential for RKN so I’ve been adding beneficial nematodes to my soil for trees from China even though I up pot multiple times and inspect for RKN at every up potting. Moving forward, I will only plant trees that I have grafted myself and can verify that the rootstocks have no visible signs of RKN.
Simon
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I have my original Biqi on a DNA sexed male Rubra rootstock and it’s growing at approximately the same rate as my An Hai on DNA sexed female Rubra rootstock.
Simon
Interesting, but the test would be a cultuvar to cultivar test. Anhai on male Anhai on female with 100 or so plants on each using the same graft type.
BTW
What is your opinion on adding nematode treatment to soil after potting. I did a rehydrate soak but did not treat for nematodes before I potted. Do any of you think it is worth it at this point. All plants have been potted since Monday.
In my response above, I thought you were talking about beneficial nematodes. For the bare root trees that im trying to rehabilitate, I use the Monterey Nematode Control. I did this with previous group buys and it has worked well for me. If you purchased redundant trees, you can try half with treatment and half without just to compare.
Simon
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Has anyone had success growing Yangmei from seed? Ive had no luck even after cold stratifying. Any tips ?
Did you crack the seed before planting? I’ve had luck germinating Yangmei seeds by sticking them in pots and just waiting about 1 year. They naturally cold stratified outdoors and popped up by themselves without cracking the outer seed.
There is a protocol for germinating seeds on the Facebook Yangmei group
Simon
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Speaking of the Facebook group, It seems like they have had some group buys so I wonder what their process for purchasing is. It would be great if we can get more of these trees in the pipeline. More trees, more cultivars gets us more food. ;D
I bought a myrica cerifera for a relatively low price a local nursery. It doesn't seem to have any branches that are a similar diameter to Yangmei's I received. The yangmei are more narrow. What do you guys think about grafting before or after bud break?
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I’ve had better success when the buds are nicely formed but before they push actual growth.
Simon
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Has anyone had success growing Yangmei from seed? Ive had no luck even after cold stratifying. Any tips ?
Did you crack the seed before planting? I’ve had luck germinating Yangmei seeds by sticking them in pots and just waiting about 1 year. They naturally cold stratified outdoors and popped up by themselves without cracking the outer seed.
There is a protocol for germinating seeds on the Facebook Yangmei group
Simon
I did not crack the seeds before planting, Should I try that one a couple ( break open the hard shell ) and let the bare seed be? Did that with some other fruits and they sprouted 5x faster
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If anyone has the seed germination protocol from Facebook, can they post it here?
I am not experienced in germination of Yangmei seeds so I don’t would see what others with more experience have done. For the seeds I did germinate, I didn’t crack the seeds but it took them about a year to germinate.
Simon
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If anyone has the seed germination protocol from Facebook, can they post it here?
I am not experienced in germination of Yangmei seeds so I don’t would see what others with more experience have done. For the seeds I did germinate, I didn’t crack the seeds but it took them about a year to germinate.
Simon
On fb, people tended to side against cold stratification. Or the results were so similar it really didn't matter. I think as long as the soil and water conditions are met, all you need is time. People have cracked the seeds. Just there has not been many fresh seeds making it to the US most of them are already really old. Of course it's ok but years old is not good. I have some yangmei seeds coming in hopefully soon and I hope to share results into the future.
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I'm going to plant a grove of these trees. hopefully 12-16 or so trees.
Recommendations for spacing requirements?
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I just read a post in a Chinese forum, thanks Bill for the link:
One of the expert the said water YangMei with a mixed beer or carbon drink, like soda with 30 to 50 time of water will help the PH level because those drinks have a high PH level.
What does everyone think about this idea?
Thanks,
Al
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For graft:
Someone said, for the best result: Don't tie too tight.
Thanks,
Al
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New way for cold protection.
(https://i.ibb.co/QFJVw6s/PXL-20230130-152849482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mCRKWHQ)
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If anyone has the seed germination protocol from Facebook, can they post it here?
I am not experienced in germination of Yangmei seeds so I don’t would see what others with more experience have done. For the seeds I did germinate, I didn’t crack the seeds but it took them about a year to germinate.
Simon
I think the cold stratification is replaced and the germination process accelerated by soaking the seeds in 50 ppm of Gibberellic acid (GA3) for around 10 hours. Id attach the protocol (Thanks to Ron Demler for taking the time to put his process in print) but cant seem to attach anything to this post??
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This is one of the best full cover of how to grow YangMei, but it is in Chinese. Hope someone have time to translate it.
https://bbs.shuiguobang.com/thread-1306832-1-2.html
Thanks,
Al
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I'm going to plant a grove of these trees. hopefully 12-16 or so trees.
Recommendations for spacing requirements?
Hi Ryan, have you seen these videos by California Rare Fruit Growers? Episode #23 shows a planting of a Yangmei orchard in Northern California and Episode #17 features the personal garden of the founder of Calmei. Some of his trees look like they are planted close together.
https://crfg.org/home/library/crfg-inc-video-gallery/lets-find-out/
Two summers ago, Marta sent me some fresh seeds of Yangmei. I kept them in the fridge. They all sprouted quickly once I planted them in late February. Caterpillars love the young sprouts, so this time I will keep them protected with tulle fabric.
Janet
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I'm going to plant a grove of these trees. hopefully 12-16 or so trees.
Recommendations for spacing requirements?
Hi Ryan, have you seen these videos by California Rare Fruit Growers? Episode #23 shows a planting of a Yangmei orchard in Northern California and Episode #17 features the personal garden of the founder of Calmei. Some of his trees look like they are planted close together.
https://crfg.org/home/library/crfg-inc-video-gallery/lets-find-out/
Two summers ago, Marta sent me some fresh seeds of Yangmei. I kept them in the fridge. They all sprouted quickly once I planted them in late February. Caterpillars love the young sprouts, so this time I will keep them protected with tulle fabric.
Janet
Thanks Janet for the information. I’ll check it out!
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I shared this link to an article from Australia on the group order thread, but thought I would post here as well.
In the longest section under questions at the end, the nursery says they "have no trouble growing them from cuttings" and elsewhere they mention some trees will be both male and female.
https://stfc.org.au/articles/myrica-rubra-the-red-bayberry-2/
Has anyone tried propagating by cuttings?
Janet
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anyone know whether the seeds from store-bought dried yangmei fruits are viable? i did a quick search online and found one answer that said that seeds are viable if the fruit was sun-dried, but unviable if cook-dried. the specific brand i have is "tong xiang". i'm guessing that the fruits are cook-dried but figured that i'd ask anyways.
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New way for cold protection.
(https://i.ibb.co/QFJVw6s/PXL-20230130-152849482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mCRKWHQ)
I'd be worried about the rope getting wet and allowing fungi to grow on the trunk under it.
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New way for cold protection.
(https://i.ibb.co/QFJVw6s/PXL-20230130-152849482.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mCRKWHQ)
I'd be worried about the rope getting wet and allowing fungi to grow on the trunk under it.
Why protect them from cold? They are already very cold tolerant.
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Re: cold stratification, don't know if it's needed? I just plopped all my Calmei seeds in pots and left them in my greenhouse which hasn't gone below 40f really. They are all sprouting just fine.
I think it just takes a really long time is all.
Hopefully the rats and mice stop decapitating the sprouts now that I surrounded the pots with traps.
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I just read a post in a Chinese forum, thanks Bill for the link:
One of the expert the said water YangMei with a mixed beer or carbon drink, like soda with 30 to 50 time of water will help the PH level because those drinks have a high PH level.
What does everyone think about this idea?
Thanks,
Al
Al, I would be very wary of this, although this may work, there may be unintended consequences. Instead, you may want to use pH down or slow release sulfur.
Some of the Chinese articles mention extremely low pH levels, below 5, but my plants seem to be very healthy at around 6.3
Simon
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Here is a picture of a female Dongkui bloom on one of the plants I grafted several months ago. Unlike the bloom I posted of the An Hai, this bloom actually opened and you can see the pistils sticking out. This tree is growing at a friend’s house and multiple other trees I have scattered around San Diego have similar female bud formation. These trees are still too small to hold fruit so hopefully next year, some of my males will be ready and the female trees will be large enough that fruit production won’t hinder vegetative growth as much.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Ppr7WrYr/2-F276-B21-C289-446-A-920-B-2-BE437-BAEF35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ppr7WrYr)
Simon
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Absolutely awesome Simon!
You are continually a trailblazer in the space
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Does anybody care to comment on how much light is too little. I have kept might is very low light since I got them. Could this be a problem?
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Does anybody care to comment on how much light is too little. I have kept might is very low light since I got them. Could this be a problem?
No leaves so it's not like it can get energy or anything. Just don't keep in the dark and you'll be fine. Mine are in greenhouse so they are getting decent sun for a few hours. Slowly acclimate to full sun once they start to grow.
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I would go with dappled sunlight, with indirect light all day, or supplemental lights (even 24 hours). Hard to see everything that is going on underneath buddy tape. Also, the right wavelengths of light (280 - 100 nm) inhibits and even kills mold and other pathogens.
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Seed cold stratification:
Marta of CRFG says she has had better consistency with germination when seeds are cold stratified. I've planted fresh seeds and left them in my greenhouse over winter, and I've cold stratified seeds. I have noticed no difference between the two methods, however, there is an advantage to having your seeds safe from critters when cold stratifying in your refrigerator.
Grafting:
Someone suggested they need to be more loosely wrapped. I have grafted mine with the same amount of pressure I use on everything else, from apples, pears, plums, citrus, avocados, etc. It seems unlikely the pressure of your grafting materials will have as large of an affect on your grafts as the health of your rootstock, the health of your scions, and the timing of your grafting.
Light preferences:
Young seedlings seemed to prefer morning sun, and afternoon shade. It depends on your microclimate, but the seedlings I lost looked like they got cooked. Once they're established, they appear to be able to take full sun without issue.
Pictured below is an in-ground multi-grafted plant that was grafted one year ago, a few 2 year old seedlings direct sown in the ground, and a fresh batch of seeds that are germinating right now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tn3mBNsh/IMG-2445.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tn3mBNsh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G47gg2mS/IMG-2449.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G47gg2mS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mckJT9ns/IMG-2451.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mckJT9ns)
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Dongkui cutting started on 1/3/23
So excited to see flower buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rq6dxGfw/20230202-105602.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Rq6dxGfw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZC6LCRwR/20230202-105734.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZC6LCRwR)
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Reedo, wow, nice photos and plants. You grafted tree really did well for one year growth.
Did you say it takes 2 yrs for the seeds to germinate to the size you show in the photo? It sure takes a long time to grow. I'm planning to try both cracked seed and untouched seed germination to see if cracking the seeds open will shorten the time for it to start growing out.
Ronnie Demler is the person on Facebook that wrote a nice 10 page PDF paper on how he germinates the yangmei seeds (written in Jan 2020). Here's the facbook link below with the document.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/402462807192797/posts/1405283506910717/?comment_id=1405564263549308&reply_comment_id=1406670503438684¬if_id=1675185274339327¬if_t=group_comment_mention
I agree with you on the grafting, no different than any other grafting like citrus, lychee. One interesting thing I noticed about how they graft all these bare root trees we got is that they are all veneer grafts. So, for those people who wanted to know the trick, just copy their technique. I haven't had good scion wood to do the grafting on myrica californica rootstock until now so this time I will do a lot of grafting. Problem is, there are not that many sources for the rootstock, all out of stock since many people are buying them up.
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Very nice to see that you can get cuttings to grow.
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Reedo is using some secret rooting sauces I think. I will be acidifing soil this week with:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81pUUSjfJxL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_FMwebp_.jpg
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Dongkui cutting started on 1/3/23
So excited to see flower buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rq6dxGfw/20230202-105602.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Rq6dxGfw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZC6LCRwR/20230202-105734.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZC6LCRwR)
Please let us know if/ when the cutting roots for you. That would be awesome if they root easily.
Simon
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Reedo, wow, nice photos and plants. You grafted tree really did well for one year growth.
Did you say it takes 2 yrs for the seeds to germinate to the size you show in the photo? It sure takes a long time to grow. I'm planning to try both cracked seed and untouched seed germination to see if cracking the seeds open will shorten the time for it to start growing out.
Ronnie Demler is the person on Facebook that wrote a nice 10 page PDF paper on how he germinates the yangmei seeds (written in Jan 2020). Here's the facbook link below with the document.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/402462807192797/posts/1405283506910717/?comment_id=1405564263549308&reply_comment_id=1406670503438684¬if_id=1675185274339327¬if_t=group_comment_mention
I agree with you on the grafting, no different than any other grafting like citrus, lychee. One interesting thing I noticed about how they graft all these bare root trees we got is that they are all veneer grafts. So, for those people who wanted to know the trick, just copy their technique. I haven't had good scion wood to do the grafting on myrica californica rootstock until now so this time I will do a lot of grafting. Problem is, there are not that many sources for the rootstock, all out of stock since many people are buying them up.
I tried Ronny's seed cracking method with some seeds last year. He's correct in stating that it takes a bit of skill development, and you'll likely damage a lot of true seeds in your learning process. Haha... After mangling several seeds, I decided to give up on the method, as I only had about a dozen seeds. I'm not sure there is any reason to do his method unless one struggles to keep track of their seeds over and extended period of time, or if one is on some sort of schedule that requires expedited seed germination. Putting them in peat moss in the fridge, then planting in Jan/Feb is a nice simple way to get them started.
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Reedo is using some secret rooting sauces I think. I will be acidifing soil this week with:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81pUUSjfJxL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_FMwebp_.jpg
Haha... No secret sauce. Just sandy soil, an established rootstock, and grafting at the right time. :)
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This might be a helpful place to start in experimenting rooting yangmei cuttings. Given all the imported plants have been grafted, there must be some obstacles in obtaining a high success rate in rooting them. Perhaps they're similar in rooting feijoas; it can be done, but varies from cultivar to cultivar, and isn't practical at a commercial scale.
https://courses.washington.edu/esrm412/protocols/2017/MOCA6.pdf
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How about air-layering?
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Wow. Only one month, the root is not developed yet and flowering. I would knocked down the flowers to develop root.
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I would try this for starters. They got 80% take with California Wax Myrtle from soft wood cuttings taken in April and propagated under mist. Seems like a good place to start with Yangmei.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ucanr.edu/repository/fileAccessPublic.cfm%3Ffn%3Dca1912p10-174549.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiwz9OZlPj8AhXljLAFHZ-kDg8QFnoECCwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3qXkgxWdAr5JXQC7K5bt-_
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Hello, I'm excited to share some pictures of my Dongkui grafts done on 1/3/23. All are on Californica rootstock
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNVhHVSn/20230216-083435.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNVhHVSn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXvk0pVZ/20230216-083512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXvk0pVZ)
This one got flower buds, it might fruit4me
(https://i.postimg.cc/G9fTzsjX/20230216-083645.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9fTzsjX)
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Wow, impressive, nice job.
I better check my grafts so far, I didn't see any growth, but it was done this month (2/1).
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Hello, I'm excited to share some pictures of my Dongkui grafts done on 1/3/23. All are on Californica rootstock
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNVhHVSn/20230216-083435.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNVhHVSn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXvk0pVZ/20230216-083512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXvk0pVZ)
This one got flower buds, it might fruit4me
(https://i.postimg.cc/G9fTzsjX/20230216-083645.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9fTzsjX)
Nice job fruit4me. Please update your grafts status 6 months later. All my grafts I did around Feb of last year death after 1/2 year included the rootstocks.
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pinkturtle, that's interesting that your graft and rootstock died in about 6 months. When all my plants died it was also about 6 months, the leaves were just stating to show then it died back and never recoved. Just curious what environment you had your plants (indoors, in shade, planted in ground)?
Also what soil mix did you use for those plants.
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I only have 1 tree survived from both group buys (not the latest from dec 2022). It is labeled as male dong kui. I've read somewhere on this forum that the male trees from the group buys are not necessarily male trees but just a fail grafted male tree so they are just tree grown from rootstock? Can anyone confirm?
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My family planted 5 M. californica when I was young, and one by one they all died. The last one made it probably ten years, and looked terrible with dieback and discolored leaves. I don't know of any growing in other yards in my area. Maybe that wasn't representative, but I suspect Morellas just tend to have these issues. Some of the Chinese varieties are described as being dieback resistant; not something you see with descriptions of varieties of most fruiting plants. It also might be too hot for M. californica in the East Bay and Socal. Looking at iNat they're basically only near the coast, from LA up to Vancouver.
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I only have 1 tree survived from both group buys (not the latest from dec 2022). It is labeled as male dong kui. I've read somewhere on this forum that the male trees from the group buys are not necessarily male trees but just a fail grafted male tree so they are just tree grown from rootstock? Can anyone confirm?
I do not think anyone can confirm until we start flowering the trees that we have received from these group buys.
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The male trees that my friend ordered were all trees with failed grafts so I don’t know how they can say they are male trees unless they DNA tested them which I highly doubt.
Simon
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I recently noticed that several of my M cerifera trees started to bloom. I’m guessing these are male blooms and I wonder if cerifera pollen could cross pollinate M Rubra?
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1V6mjx4/FD67-D151-3-F0-F-4539-9510-77-F28-E6-AD38-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1V6mjx4)
Simon
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What a lovely sight, Simon! I've wondered about pollination from other myrica species as well; let's hope so and find out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rD68jGg4/Yangmei-R2232023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rD68jGg4)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWbJwZb-DQ
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What a lovely sight, Simon! I've wondered about pollination from other myrica species as well; let's hope so and find out.
Rob, it looks like your Yangmei is about to bust out with a lot of growth. Your tree looks very healthy!
Luisport, thanks for the video! My Chinese is horrible and I only understood about 2% of what they said. Does anyone know what caused the difference in Brix between the 13% Brix Fruit and the 17% Brix fruit. It was around 9:30 in the video.
Now that there’s a bunch of Yangmei trees in the USA, we need to start thinking about the best pruning strategies and spacing for our trees. My ideal tree would be low enough to harvest everything by hand without a ladder.
Simon
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The net cover will increase the Brix due to the net blocked the inserts and rain out.
The variety is DongKui.
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Cool seeing updates.
Those structures for the netting are pretty cool looking in the video.
Cant wait to add some Yangmei to the property.
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The net cover will increase the Brix due to the net blocked the inserts and rain out.
The variety is DongKui.
Thanks for the translation pinkturtle! That’s a significant increase in Brix.
Simon
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I recently noticed that several of my M cerifera trees started to bloom. I’m guessing these are male blooms and I wonder if cerifera pollen could cross pollinate M Rubra?
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1V6mjx4/FD67-D151-3-F0-F-4539-9510-77-F28-E6-AD38-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1V6mjx4)
Simon
I went out and looked at my female. I think you are correct. The female looks very similar, but the cluster of bloom looks like little tiny balls with a thread sticking out of each.
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Spammer
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Meanwhile down in the Carolina Zone.....
Still no change in the plants. I have a Myrica cerifera that had leaves dry out then defoliated. Then it started to regrow about two weeks later . No succh luck with the yang meis. Is there any test other than doing a scratch to see if my plant are still alive? I ask because i have a jaboticaba that has been defoliated more than a year but STILL shows green after a scratch.
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Meanwhile down in the Carolina Zone.....
Still no change in the plants. I have a Myrica cerifera that had leaves dry out then defoliated. Then it started to regrow about two weeks later . No succh luck with the yang meis. Is there any test other than doing a scratch to see if my plant are still alive? I ask because i have a jaboticaba that has been defoliated more than a year but STILL shows green after a scratch.
If they haven’t grown out by now, they’re probably dead. While the bark may still be green, the roots aren’t growing so it’s just time until the plant dies. Based off everyone successful, new leaves growing is promising. Of course they can die later but if no leaves it’s kinda a lost cause. I’d love to be proven wrong. Luckily there are more sources for yangmei now.
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Looks like only 1 maybe 2 plants out of the ten I ordered will make it. Oh well. seems like it a few years it will be easier to acquire new varieties.
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Meanwhile down in the Carolina Zone.....
Still no change in the plants. I have a Myrica cerifera that had leaves dry out then defoliated. Then it started to regrow about two weeks later . No succh luck with the yang meis. Is there any test other than doing a scratch to see if my plant are still alive? I ask because i have a jaboticaba that has been defoliated more than a year but STILL shows green after a scratch.
If they haven’t grown out by now, they’re probably dead. While the bark may still be green, the roots aren’t growing so it’s just time until the plant dies. Based off everyone successful, new leaves growing is promising. Of course they can die later but if no leaves it’s kinda a lost cause. I’d love to be proven wrong. Luckily there are more sources for yangmei now.
More sources of yang me? Pray tell, where are these sources? I was once told "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!"
Perhaps that was a movie I saw 8) ;D
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As of a week ago I now have a second tree budding. I am not giving up on the others yet, but it is the largest two that are budding.
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Meanwhile down in the Carolina Zone.....
Still no change in the plants. I have a Myrica cerifera that had leaves dry out then defoliated. Then it started to regrow about two weeks later . No succh luck with the yang meis. Is there any test other than doing a scratch to see if my plant are still alive? I ask because i have a jaboticaba that has been defoliated more than a year but STILL shows green after a scratch.
If they haven’t grown out by now, they’re probably dead. While the bark may still be green, the roots aren’t growing so it’s just time until the plant dies. Based off everyone successful, new leaves growing is promising. Of course they can die later but if no leaves it’s kinda a lost cause. I’d love to be proven wrong. Luckily there are more sources for yangmei now.
More sources of yang me? Pray tell, where are these sources? I was once told "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!"
Perhaps that was a movie I saw 8) ;D
Highlander =)
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Meanwhile down in the Carolina Zone.....
Still no change in the plants. I have a Myrica cerifera that had leaves dry out then defoliated. Then it started to regrow about two weeks later . No succh luck with the yang meis. Is there any test other than doing a scratch to see if my plant are still alive? I ask because i have a jaboticaba that has been defoliated more than a year but STILL shows green after a scratch.
When the Yangmei are dying, especially the bare root trees, they generally start drying up from the tips of the branches. The branches generally get darker in color and you may see wrinkles on the branches as the cambium dries up.
I’ve had a Jaboticaba (Red Hybrid) completely defoliate on me after a relatively large crop on a very small tree but it leafed back out in Spring.
My large in ground Sabara had a huge bumper crop last year and it lost about 80% of its leaves and is just starting to bounce back.
Simon
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Looks like only 1 maybe 2 plants out of the ten I ordered will make it. Oh well. seems like it a few years it will be easier to acquire new varieties.
Not to scare anyone off but please be careful where you acquire your Yangmei trees from. Many members have contacted me to ask if I’ve seen the trees on EBay and elsewhere and they wanted to know if it would be a good idea to purchase those trees. I don’t know anything about the growers but the sale posts I’ve seen were trees on Rubra rootstock and the posts said they did not graft the trees. The trees were also fully leafed out which makes me wonder if they were imported with soil? If so, I wonder if it could be carrying RKN or other potentially harmful pests and diseases.
Simon
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Looks like only 1 maybe 2 plants out of the ten I ordered will make it. Oh well. seems like it a few years it will be easier to acquire new varieties.
My friend ordered 9 trees from the most recent group buy and 5 of the trees were Dead on arrival. They were completely dried up and crispy when I snapped the branches, the cambium was completely dead. 4 other trees weren’t crispy but only 3 of those 4 look like they will make it. The larger trees seemed to do better as the thicker diameter wood and roots has less surface area to mass in regards to desiccation.
A few of the trees are just starting to leaf out.
Simon
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Looks like only 1 maybe 2 plants out of the ten I ordered will make it. Oh well. seems like it a few years it will be easier to acquire new varieties.
Not to scare anyone off but please be careful where you acquire your Yangmei trees from. Many members have contacted me to ask if I’ve seen the trees on EBay and elsewhere and they wanted to know if it would be a good idea to purchase those trees. I don’t know anything about the growers but the sale posts I’ve seen were trees on Rubra rootstock and the posts said they did not graft the trees. The trees were also fully leafed out which makes me wonder if they were imported with soil? If so, I wonder if it could be carrying RKN or other potentially harmful pests and diseases.
Simon
The trees from Jason are shipped in a really weird medium, kind of like plasticine. I tried peeling it back and was able to take a peek at the roots and saw no signs or RKN, or pests at all. Not that scientific of a method to check, but it was clearly not catastrophic.
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Myrica cerifera flowering, any ideas if this is male or female?
(https://i.postimg.cc/nXkQc70J/mceriferabuds22023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXkQc70J)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXwwD7dz/mceriferabuds-CU22023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXwwD7dz)
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Marta is selling scions of a flowering male yangmei.
https://reallygoodplants.com/
Picture from her blog of the flowering male called Adam, she is also offering scions of a female Eve, pics of fruit are on her blog.
https://fruitsandgardening.blogspot.com/2023/03/yangmei-selections-adam-and-eve.html?m=1
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby/491-DE800-903-D-4-EBB-9865-7845-D2270274.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby)
Janet
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Marta is selling scions of a flowering male yangmei.
https://reallygoodplants.com/
Picture from her blog of the flowering male called Adam, she is also offering scions of a female Eve, pics of fruit are on her blog.
https://fruitsandgardening.blogspot.com/2023/03/yangmei-selections-adam-and-eve.html?m=1
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby/491-DE800-903-D-4-EBB-9865-7845-D2270274.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby)
Janet
Just ordered some! I look forward to these as it’s guaranteed make and female.
I'm glad there's another report of yangmei doing well on pennyslvanica.
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Myrica cerifera flowering, any ideas if this is male or female?
(https://i.postimg.cc/nXkQc70J/mceriferabuds22023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXkQc70J)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXwwD7dz/mceriferabuds-CU22023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXwwD7dz)
Rob, I can’t tell. It looks a bit different than my male cerifera blooms but i have no idea. I can’t see any pistil.
Simon
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Marta is selling scions of a flowering male yangmei.
https://reallygoodplants.com/
Picture from her blog of the flowering male called Adam, she is also offering scions of a female Eve, pics of fruit are on her blog.
https://fruitsandgardening.blogspot.com/2023/03/yangmei-selections-adam-and-eve.html?m=1
(https://i.postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby/491-DE800-903-D-4-EBB-9865-7845-D2270274.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZD6Xwby)
Janet
Wow,
All gone already.
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If my grafts are successful, I will share scions with you.
Janet
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If my grafts are successful, I will share scions with you.
Janet
Thanks Janet...
We can exchange some of the Scions. I have F crystal, F WuSu and DK male. Maybe F DongKui, 2 of my 7 from this year order show some new buds.
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I'm no myrica expert, but these flowers look female to me:
(https://i.postimg.cc/WdGNVg76/mceriferabuds32023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdGNVg76)
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I'm no myrica expert, but these flowers look female to me:
(https://i.postimg.cc/WdGNVg76/mceriferabuds32023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdGNVg76)
They are hard to tell apart when they are small. I think those are male flowers, though. I was looking at some wild plants today and some of the immature stage male flowers looked a lot like your picture. The female flowers on my bush are longer and branch more. Its got 1 main stalk with something like 6 or 8 side branches coming off it at right angles. If you look closely at pictures of berries on-line you can see what I am talking about--they come in little clusters at the nodes (not singly).
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Anyone try grafting it on Myrica pusilla? Will the dwarfing affect the graft too?
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I have not tried grafting onto M pusilla or Pennsylvanica. Marta has some trees on Pennsylvanica so I wonder if there’s any benefit using this rootstock.
I wonder what influences the various rootstocks will have on the quality of fruit, if any.
Simon
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Simon, which rootstock is easier to graft these with success, the M Californica or M Cerifera?
I have been grafting on the M Californica only but not on Cerifera.
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I'm now using the M. Pennsylvanica for my rootstock now. I'll let you know which ones take and grow better.
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All my grafted on M Californica last year all died including rootstocks. All of them were doing great for about 1/2 year and suddenly all died.
This year I grafted all them on M Cerifera.
Hi Kaz,
Please update us on how is graftes on M Pennsylvania doing.
Thanks,
Al
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Al, I'll let you know the status in 6 months since I'm now grafting most of mine on M Pennsylvania.
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All of my grafts that have lasted are on M. californica. I've got about 5 or 6 grafts on M. californica that are doing great and pushing new growth this year. Coming up on a year since grafting.
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All of my grafts that have lasted are on M. californica. I've got about 5 or 6 grafts on M. californica that are doing great and pushing new growth this year. Coming up on a year since grafting.
are they potted or in the ground? how do they handle summer water?
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Al, I'll let you know the status in 6 months since I'm now grafting most of mine on M Pennsylvania.
Also interested in this. Have some M. pensylvanica that will be ready for grafting within the year.
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All of my grafts that have lasted are on M. californica. I've got about 5 or 6 grafts on M. californica that are doing great and pushing new growth this year. Coming up on a year since grafting.
are they potted or in the ground? how do they handle summer water?
They are in the ground and had been under Shade cages and were receiving deep soaks every week or two depending on conditions. Uncaged em in the winter and plan to leave them uncaged. They are on a south slope so they got lots of hot sun
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Simon, which rootstock is easier to graft these with success, the M Californica or M Cerifera?
I have been grafting on the M Californica only but not on Cerifera.
Both M Californica and Cerifera take grafts equally well for me. Both rootstocks grow vigorously and can push the grafted Yangmei scions to grow rapidly. I did encounter some issues with some of my Yangmei on Californica rootstocks. Some of my plants were growing rapidly and then started drying up all of a sudden. I have been experimenting with various products and believe I have resolved the issue.
I’m currently using Californica, Cerifera, Rubra as rootstocks and Pennsylvanica is next on the list.
I’m very interested to hear if rootstocks influence fruit quality, especially the Brix.
Simon
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Thanks Simon for your response. I did not graft any yangmei on the second order since my yangmei plants never got good branches or any new growth. But I did buy some M Californica plants from my local Armstrong in 3 gallon pots (qty-5) which I did not use as rootstock to graft.
But for the third order I was planning to graft some green branches immediately to the five M Californica plants I had in the 3 gallon pots but most of them (3 out of 5) died in the pots for no reason. The last 2 plants ended up dying a few months later as well.
This time I purchased some smaller (1 gallon bare rooted M Californica) to use for the third order after I received the yangmei plants. At least these M Californica plants look much healthier than the 3 gallon plants that cost me $40 each. Hope the grafts take, also started using the Pennsylvanica for rootstock as well.
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Does anyone know what these spots on the leaves are? They started appearing about a month ago and are getting worse. Thanks for any info.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw/763-AE5-EF-280-F-4-F23-A3-DF-F1236541-CC63.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/68CWrHbY/FD424-C89-6092-43-F3-A41-D-EB0-B8-AA84-F74.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68CWrHbY)
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They look like cold damage to me.
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Cold damage or fertilizer burn are my guesses.
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I need help identifying this. For sec, I thought it would be wild rosemary, but I believe it to be some kind of wax myrtle. I found it along the trail during my running season. Took one home for closer inspection. They were cluster together ranging from couple inches to 3 feetish the tallest.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hQbZt4sK/8-B213-EC1-9595-4-FD2-B2-B5-9-FA7-C1-D0110-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQbZt4sK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/y3zrK3Ff/A53-DEBE4-3-BD8-454-F-92-AF-12-F97-FB97-E47.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3zrK3Ff)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/DWwcqdgk/6-BD40-EF8-FCA5-45-B5-842-B-9-FEEC040520-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWwcqdgk)
I should probably separate these soon. They’re starting to really take off!
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I need help identifying this. For sec, I thought it would be wild rosemary, but I believe it to be some kind of wax myrtle. I found it along the trail during my running season. Took one home for closer inspection. They were cluster together ranging from couple inches to 3 feetish the tallest.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hQbZt4sK/8-B213-EC1-9595-4-FD2-B2-B5-9-FA7-C1-D0110-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQbZt4sK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/y3zrK3Ff/A53-DEBE4-3-BD8-454-F-92-AF-12-F97-FB97-E47.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3zrK3Ff)
Morella pumila?
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Does anyone know what these spots on the leaves are? They started appearing about a month ago and are getting worse. Thanks for any info.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw/763-AE5-EF-280-F-4-F23-A3-DF-F1236541-CC63.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/68CWrHbY/FD424-C89-6092-43-F3-A41-D-EB0-B8-AA84-F74.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68CWrHbY)
Looks like Persea mites. Are you keeping your plants under a mature tree? If so that could be the source. My avocados get them and so do the wax myrtle growing under the avocado canopies.
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They look like cold damage to me.
Cold damage or fertilizer burn are my guesses.
Does anyone know what these spots on the leaves are? They started appearing about a month ago and are getting worse. Thanks for any info.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw/763-AE5-EF-280-F-4-F23-A3-DF-F1236541-CC63.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JpzPhHw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/68CWrHbY/FD424-C89-6092-43-F3-A41-D-EB0-B8-AA84-F74.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68CWrHbY)
Looks like Persea mites. Are you keeping your plants under a mature tree? If so that could be the source. My avocados get them and so do the wax myrtle growing under the avocado canopies.
Thanks guys. Cold damage is definitely a possibility, seems like we’ve had more frost than ever this year, not to mention a hail and graupel storm! Crazy. I haven’t Fertilized in awhile but do sometimes pour old fish tank water on the soil after cleaning the tank so maybe too much nitrogen in there. It’s planted out in the open so not sure about the mites, there is milkweed all around it so maybe Persea mites from that, but the spots look different than the persea mite damage I’ve seen on our avocado trees. Hopefully just cold damage.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JDMnPxVw/20230315-101621.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDMnPxVw)
Two different varieties on this tree. Crystal on the right, An Hai maybe on the left?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JDMnPxVw/20230315-101621.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDMnPxVw)
Two different varieties on this tree. Crystal on the right, An Hai maybe on the left?
I’ve a bunch of rootstocks available but no yangmei to graft it on. Wax myrtle grow like weeds down here. Great looking tree you got there. Wonder if it can be pollinate with regular male wax myrtle
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We'll find out. I've got a 30' Myrica californica that is budding up right now thats a coupel hundred feet away from these guys
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I have my flowering male M Cerifera right on top of my grafted An Hai flowering female so I’ll find out if this cross pollination will work or not.
Simon
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Now we’re getting somewhere gentlemen! Can’t wait to hear of the native plants successfully pollinate these female gems! That would certainly make things much easier in the long run.
One step closer to this fruit gaining a foothold in the US.
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Seedling yangmei pushing out some new growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/62Dkk4HL/IMG-5946.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62Dkk4HL)
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Nice seedling plant Nick.
Al, I checked all my bare root plants from the 3rd order and half of them have turned brown and dying. So I'm cutting any of the plants that still show green and grafting them all to the M Pennsylvania rootstock this weekend. I hope some of my grafted scionwood make it.
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Nice seedling plant Nick.
Al, I checked all my bare root plants from the 3rd order and half of them have turned brown and dying. So I'm cutting any of the plants that still show green and grafting them all to the M Pennsylvania rootstock this weekend. I hope some of my grafted scionwood make it.
Good choice. I did the exact same also. Since they were not my trees I waited until the very last moment until I knew they weren’t gonna grow. Hopefully I can produce a grafted plant for my friend.
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I just up potted some of my grafted Yangmei and I love seeing their roots grow out. These are trees that I grafted onto either USA grown Rubra seedling, M Californica or M Cerifera. I stopped planting the legally imported bare root China grafted trees because of the risk of RKN. Also, I’ve found that my trees grafted onto these rootstocks grow extremely vigorously.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0zGbg4mp/5-BF67249-8-CFC-4-B1-B-A018-0-E21784-BC499.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zGbg4mp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mtHPjkgp/B2-DB8-BB8-78-FB-42-E4-BF85-C7000-AFDDB2-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtHPjkgp)
Simon
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I finally also found some female M Cerifera flowers so now I know what they look like.
Here’s a couple male blooms first
(https://i.postimg.cc/wyYz6xpM/2995-C930-570-C-4-C3-F-B8-AC-0783510898-A8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wyYz6xpM)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G8PC90LQ/6-E1-BF40-A-6-A80-460-A-BDE6-C5-EB962732-CA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8PC90LQ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/2Vkzb5BB/B947-A2-BB-6338-4-D09-8094-9-B740-A29-CCFD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2Vkzb5BB)
And a couple female flowers
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhGnbJ44/1-CC8-CB70-53-B7-4-F18-BBD1-131-E25-B965-F5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhGnbJ44)
(https://i.postimg.cc/DWF5FRNF/36-E07205-59-DA-4-F21-899-A-9-D463-AB94-BA8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWF5FRNF)
And my grafted An Hai female flower finally opened up
(https://i.postimg.cc/CdWGSWZt/880-DF9-F4-2-A69-4-F90-8527-6-C1-B37-C177-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdWGSWZt)
Simon
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simon-
I sent you a pm but figured I would also post here to try tog et the wisdom of the crowd-
My Biqi from the last order has just started to push, but at a bit of a weird location
(https://i.postimg.cc/v4gfJJW8/signal-2023-03-21-07-51-11-578.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4gfJJW8)
Would you (anyone) trim the wood that is above the new growth? leave it be?
cheers
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Hi elouicious, glad to see your tree is growing. I wouldn't trim anything yet. I would wait until the tree really gets established with good root system before trying to shape it. Any leaves that grow just help the plant photosynthesize.
Janet
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Thanks Janet!
for some reason the hardest advice for me is always "do nothing"
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I agree, just leave it for now. Later, once you know for sure there are dead spots, you can cut those out.
Simon
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Looks like the male M Cerifera didn’t pollinate the female Yangmei flowers or at least not this time. This is the first time this grafted female tree has flowered so it may have aborted anyways but at least for now, looks like it’s a no go.
You can see the dried up female flowers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KKfRpb11/IMG-0353.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKfRpb11)
Simon
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My Cerifera rootstocks are also flowering now and I was tagging them as male/female and noticed that many of my plants that flowered as males are now starting to throw female flowers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XZyrw4P5/IMG-0360.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZyrw4P5)
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zbNjRqYB/DE2-B6-EB5-F860-441-D-818-C-39-C276-D27-A72.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbNjRqYB)
Split up a community pot of seedlings and they were looking great. Hope they all survive! Really nice fluffy roots. Probably have another 20 or so to split up.
No cold stratifying, just put them in a pot of soil around August last year and they sprouted around December in my greenhouse. Didn’t go lower than 36f in there.
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Good going, they look super healthy. Is that Coco Coir you’re using as the soil?
Simon
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Good going, they look super healthy. Is that Coco Coir you’re using as the soil?
Simon
Kellogg Patio Plus with about 30% peat added. The peat kind of floats to the top cause it's lightest.
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K-Rimes, where did you get your seeds from? Thanks!
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I've been trying to find the best way to germinate yangmei seeds.
Ronnie Demler on FB wrote up a nice guide on sprouting old yangmei seeds.
He goes in detail on how to crack the seeds open and get fast germination results.
I'm unable to post the link - but it's on the FB yangmei group.
44% for old seeds is not bad at all.
The seeds I've gotten in from recent imports though are all cold stratified and should after experimentation maybe just be put in soil? They are fresh and so the results of people who have gotten them have turned out really good without treatment. I believe this is due to the freshness and cold strat already being applied. My results are still inconclusive, but I did crack some like he did and am trialing to see if it's better. To be honest, I'm not sure as the cost - benefit analysis may favor leaving the endocarp on due to risk of cracking or damaging the seed (for the fresher seeds coming into the US). It seems by cracking the seed with these fresh new ones in the US, you're only saving a matter of weeks, not months, so in the end, it's better to wait as seeds may become damaged.
We will see.
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I've been trying to find the best way to germinate yangmei seeds.
Ronnie Demler on FB wrote up a nice guide on sprouting old yangmei seeds.
He goes in detail on how to crack the seeds open and get fast germination results.
I'm unable to post the link - but it's on the FB yangmei group.
44% for old seeds is not bad at all.
The seeds I've gotten in from recent imports though are all cold stratified and should after experimentation maybe just be put in soil? They are fresh and so the results of people who have gotten them have turned out really good without treatment. I believe this is due to the freshness and cold strat already being applied. My results are still inconclusive, but I did crack some like he did and am trialing to see if it's better. To be honest, I'm not sure as the cost - benefit analysis may favor leaving the endocarp on due to risk of cracking or damaging the seed (for the fresher seeds coming into the US). It seems by cracking the seed with these fresh new ones in the US, you're only saving a matter of weeks, not months, so in the end, it's better to wait as seeds may become damaged.
We will see.
I realize that months are valuable and feel like ages when you're younger, but to me these are low effort seeds (way less than eugenia) and are not susceptible to rot and such and so, don't over think it. Just throw in some decent potting soil (I think I sowed in Fox Farm Oceant Forest iirc) and then just keep the soil wet.
K-Rimes, where did you get your seeds from?
Calmei fruit. It was extremely expensive, some of the most I've ever paid for a pound of fruit so I wanted to get more value trying to plant the seeds out... I think $50 I paid for 1lb? Anyways, just threw them in a pot and didn't care. I didn't even clean them, literally just spit them out half covered in flesh. I lost a bunch of them to rats / mice or something chewing them down which is common here but evidently there were many more behind it. I would guess I have 30-40 seedlings looking as nice as the one I posted just haven't split the community pots yet.
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I've been trying to find the best way to germinate yangmei seeds.
Ronnie Demler on FB wrote up a nice guide on sprouting old yangmei seeds.
He goes in detail on how to crack the seeds open and get fast germination results.
I'm unable to post the link - but it's on the FB yangmei group.
44% for old seeds is not bad at all.
The seeds I've gotten in from recent imports though are all cold stratified and should after experimentation maybe just be put in soil? They are fresh and so the results of people who have gotten them have turned out really good without treatment. I believe this is due to the freshness and cold strat already being applied. My results are still inconclusive, but I did crack some like he did and am trialing to see if it's better. To be honest, I'm not sure as the cost - benefit analysis may favor leaving the endocarp on due to risk of cracking or damaging the seed (for the fresher seeds coming into the US). It seems by cracking the seed with these fresh new ones in the US, you're only saving a matter of weeks, not months, so in the end, it's better to wait as seeds may become damaged.
We will see.
I realize that months are valuable and feel like ages when you're younger, but to me these are low effort seeds (way less than eugenia) and are not susceptible to rot and such and so, don't over think it. Just throw in some decent potting soil (I think I sowed in Fox Farm Oceant Forest iirc) and then just keep the soil wet.
I understand that too, but as someone selling them to others, I want to give them the best choice and quickest results. Up to them if they want to try to speed up germination rates, but yes I agree with you. No need to risk damaging seeds when they'll all germinate just a few weeks later.
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Good going, they look super healthy. Is that Coco Coir you’re using as the soil?
Simon
Kellogg Patio Plus with about 30% peat added. The peat kind of floats to the top cause it's lightest.
This dispels the belief that high organic matter is bad for seedlings. Thanks for the info. When I transplanted my Yangmei seedlings, they didn’t like being moved.
Simon
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Good going, they look super healthy. Is that Coco Coir you’re using as the soil?
Simon
Kellogg Patio Plus with about 30% peat added. The peat kind of floats to the top cause it's lightest.
This dispels the belief that high organic matter is bad for seedlings. Thanks for the info. When I transplanted my Yangmei seedlings, they didn’t like being moved.
Simon
Don’t really know, I am just lazy and cheap. They haven’t skipped a beat. My experience is that if you keep their medium consistent they don’t shock as much going into a bigger pot or being split. Put them in front of a fan as well to encourage more rooting and stiffen them up. They’ve been in greenhouse so no wind.
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Uppotted a bunch from a group tupperware and they are all thriving in FoxFarm OceanForest. No losses a couple weeks in!
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Awesome Nate, I’m also using Foxfarm Oceanforest with great success. All my Yangmei are starting to bust out with new growth. Hopefully everyone’s trees are doing well now that the weather is starting to warm up.
Simon
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Happy Froggin' down here =)
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That's great news!
Do you know when? next year or in 5 years?
For those that can wait, I know there will be grafted trees for sale in the future. These trees will be grafted onto M Californica, Cerifera or seedling Rubra.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/YL1PQ93s/A036711-A-3-C53-4021-B218-7-BBA237432-BF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YL1PQ93s)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Lnpw2t4K/FDE32-CF4-8-DFC-4444-855-C-15302945-F88-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lnpw2t4K)
Pretty happy with this yield. They are very tough plants.
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Hi elouicious, glad to see your tree is growing. I wouldn't trim anything yet. I would wait until the tree really gets established with good root system before trying to shape it. Any leaves that grow just help the plant photosynthesize.
Janet
I am seeing something similar except that my surviving Dong Kui, the one tree(let?) from the most recent buy that is doing much of anything is also pushing leaves from below the graft. Although historically I am inclined to protect grafts from being taken over by rootstock, in this case, I am not about to touch anything because my other Dong Kui leafed out and then suddenly croaked. If the rootstock is all that survives of this Dong Kui -- whose leaf growing tips are sort of browning -- at least I will have something to graft to. As it happens, I have several Myrica cerifera and myrica californica as well as Biqis in the ground, and I have been steadily pruning small bits from the top of all my December buy to graft. Either I am the world's worst grafter -- a distinct possibility -- or these are very slow to take because so far I am seeing nothing. Of course I also tried grafting Marta's Adam and Eve to my m. cerifera and those also have not taken yet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PLF94zqJ/Dong-Kui-and-Wusu.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLF94zqJ)
Where I am in something of a quandry is with my male Biqi from last March's buy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3dXMTvtf/Biqi-male.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3dXMTvtf)
As you can see, it is pretty happy but is suddenly also sprouting from beneath the "graft". I put the word in quotes because I don't actually see a graft and am aware that we are learning at least some of the so-called male trees are in fact failed grafts and could be of either sex. But do I just welcome this new growth with open arms, let it grow out so I can graft to it, or prune it away?
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That's great news!
Do you know when? next year or in 5 years?
For those that can wait, I know there will be grafted trees for sale in the future. These trees will be grafted onto M Californica, Cerifera or seedling Rubra.
Simon
Not sure yet. I’ve been so busy at work that I haven’t had much time to graft on a commercial scale.
Simon
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Success! Late Growing grafted onto m. cerifera. Added Crystal scion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b/Yangmei-LGgrat423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b)
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Looks great Roblack!
Got around to up potting a few today
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKNyhnsS/C897-C1-FC-83-A9-4094-916-F-2446998-D671-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKNyhnsS)
Always happy to see clean roots
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Success! Late Growing grafted onto m. cerifera. Added Crystal scion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b/Yangmei-LGgrat423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b)
Congrats roblack,
That new growth looks a lot like Cerifera leaves because of the serrations in the leaves.
Simon
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Looks great Roblack!
Got around to up potting a few today
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKNyhnsS/C897-C1-FC-83-A9-4094-916-F-2446998-D671-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKNyhnsS)
Always happy to see clean roots
Jaboticaba45, the roots look healthy. Hopefully everyone’s plants are exploding with growth now that it’s warmer. My trees are really starting to flush hard.
Simon
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Success! Late Growing grafted onto m. cerifera. Added Crystal scion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b/Yangmei-LGgrat423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLF7hC2b)
Congrats roblack,
That new growth looks a lot like Cerifera leaves because of the serrations in the leaves.
Simon
You are correct! Just pulled the buddy tape off, and found the growth was coming from the outer/upper part of the rootstock cleft graft.
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Out of the 45 ish trees I got from the December Group Order, 7 are looking like they have a fighting Chance. We will see
(https://i.postimg.cc/WqLW3LMB/IMG-3763.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WqLW3LMB)
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These appear to be doing well:
(https://i.postimg.cc/2b6vW2Rd/yangmei-group-4-23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b6vW2Rd)
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Hah, I was about to respond with admiration at your successful grafting. So far I am 0 out of gazillion, grafting onto cerifera, californica and even my Biqis from an earlier buy. Sadly, my Californica which is many many years old looks like it is dying. I am not sure if this is because of all the rain we had or the fact that it is surrounded by banana plants. Or if they just have a finite life span. My cerifera, both in pots and in the ground are all hale and hearty but so far no success with the grafts. I have decided I am just a crappy grafter though I'm doing okay with persimmons and avos.
One thing I have become really intrigued by is the fact that my three yang mei from the most recent buy, two Wusu and one Dong Kui, are all pushing growth from both below and above the graft. Since the consensus seems to be that the rootstocks have a 50-50 chance of being male does it make sense to let these below grafts continue to push to give me better odds of having a male in this harem?
Somewhat related, this morning I inspected my two inground Biqi from last year's buy and have come to the conclusion that the so-called female looks to me like a failed graft and the so-called male looks to me like a successful graft. The only sense I can make of this is that the labels got switched somewhere along the line. On the other hand, the Biqi so-called male is huge and the so-called female is small and delicate so I guess I will just wait and see on the happy day when they flower
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4qTm8jL/Biqi-so-called-male-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4qTm8jL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y40GGrX1/so-called-Biqi-female.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y40GGrX1)
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Hah, I was about to respond with admiration at your successful grafting. So far I am 0 out of gazillion, grafting onto cerifera, californica and even my Biqis from an earlier buy. Sadly, my Californica which is many many years old looks like it is dying. I am not sure if this is because of all the rain we had or the fact that it is surrounded by banana plants. Or if they just have a finite life span. My cerifera, both in pots and in the ground are all hale and hearty but so far no success with the grafts. I have decided I am just a crappy grafter though I'm doing okay with persimmons and avos.
One thing I have become really intrigued by is the fact that my three yang mei from the most recent buy, two Wusu and one Dong Kui, are all pushing growth from both below and above the graft. Since the consensus seems to be that the rootstocks have a 50-50 chance of being male does it make sense to let these below grafts continue to push to give me better odds of having a male in this harem?
Somewhat related, this morning I inspected my two inground Biqi from last year's buy and have come to the conclusion that the so-called female looks to me like a failed graft and the so-called male looks to me like a successful graft. The only sense I can make of this is that the labels got switched somewhere along the line. On the other hand, the Biqi so-called male is huge and the so-called female is small and delicate so I guess I will just wait and see on the happy day when they flower
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4qTm8jL/Biqi-so-called-male-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4qTm8jL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y40GGrX1/so-called-Biqi-female.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y40GGrX1)
It would be a good idea to keep at least one branch from below the graft in the hopes of getting an opposite sex plant. If you have lots of growths belie the graft, it may be a good idea to remove most the growths so that the rootstock doesn’t overtake the grafted portion.
Don’t give up on grafting Yangmei. It could be that your scions/rootstocks weren’t in the best shape. A simple cleft graft works well for Yangmei onto Cerifera or Californica.
Simon
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Hey,
has anyone seen success grafting the scions of Adam and Eve from Marta?
Mine had little buds, but seems to be stuck there lol. Honestly not too sure now.
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Hey,
has anyone seen success grafting the scions of Adam and Eve from Marta?
Mine had little buds, but seems to be stuck there lol. Honestly not too sure now.
So far mine look good. I did one of each onto yangmei.
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My Eve graft is growing fine.
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Nice. Glad to see that other growers are having success with them.one are still green, but still it’s annoying that they’re not pushing new growth just yet.
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It would be a good idea to keep at least one branch from below the graft in the hopes of getting an opposite sex plant. If you have lots of growths belie the graft, it may be a good idea to remove most the growths so that the rootstock doesn’t overtake the grafted portion.
Don’t give up on grafting Yangmei. It could be that your scions/rootstocks weren’t in the best shape. A simple cleft graft works well for Yangmei onto Cerifera or Californica.
Simon
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Thanks for the encouragement, Simon. I have tried both veneer and cleft grafts but am usually more comfortable and successful with the cleft. I will keep trying! And yes, not allow more than one sprout from below the graft per tree.
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Hi
Donkkui and crystal scions I grafted on M ceriferas are pushing buds inside the parafilm wrap. Should I remove the wrapping or not touch them at all?
Also, should I remove all the cerifera branches and new growths and branches ?
Thanks
(https://i.postimg.cc/4Y4yyXvX/20230512-164826.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4Y4yyXvX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/18WtNbMw/20230512-164929.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18WtNbMw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mnkk35TN/20230512-172256.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mnkk35TN)
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Onur, I would leave the Parafilm alone for now because if you remove it, you will probably knock the buds off. I would also leave some of the leaves from the Cerifera to support the grafts. When grafting trees, you want to leave some leaves from the rootstock so that the tree can continue photosynthesis.
Simon
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Got something goin' on here, Crystal on m. cerifera:
(https://i.postimg.cc/xctHz0CM/Crystal-Ceriferagraft523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xctHz0CM)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RJv6W8xg/Crystal-Ceriferab523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJv6W8xg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hh0QkSV6/Crystal-Ceriferac523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hh0QkSV6)
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Yangmei seems to graft and grow easily on M cerifera. Kind of hoping that the smaller sized Southern wax myrtle will affect the ultimate size of these yangmei trees.
Here is 2 Adam and 1 Eve graft
Adam
(https://i.postimg.cc/cK6TCnd5/IMG-9217.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cK6TCnd5)
Eve
(https://i.postimg.cc/2VfHGyxV/IMG-9218.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2VfHGyxV)
M cerifera growing wild(or someone planted these its a recovered riparian zone) in Houston
(https://i.postimg.cc/4HtHSJs5/IMG-9002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4HtHSJs5)
Some more young grafts on M cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/tsLT8Kvv/IMG-9221.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsLT8Kvv)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzrdsBGg/IMG-9223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzrdsBGg)
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Onur, I would leave the Parafilm alone for now because if you remove it, you will probably knock the buds off. I would also leave some of the leaves from the Cerifera to support the grafts. When grafting trees, you want to leave some leaves from the rootstock so that the tree can continue photosynthesis.
Simon
Thank you Simon.
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Hey
east coast growers, I challenge you to a race to see who can fruit yangmei the fastest east of the Mississippi river.
Winner gets a grafted yangmei from me!
See you all in 2025!
Or maybe I'm wrong. There's a good chance someone may have fruited it already?
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Deep Red on cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkrCvW62/Red-Yangmei-Grafct523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkrCvW62)
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Wanted to start some yangmei from seed and i've read some sources saying it does best in 5 or even lower PH soil. Is that true?
If true, for those planting in-ground, what's your soil PH? Is there something you do to keep a low PH?
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I have 2 Biqi growing in ground for 1.5 years or so. They are healthy. Soil ph is around 8, limestone beneath a thin layer of sandy soil.
Haven't had much growth until started watering and feeding them lately. It has been very dry here. It is possible that lower ph could have led to more growth, but plants look good and are responding to better care. I am convinced that at least Biqi and the 2 rootstocks they are on, can handle high ph.
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Garden employees patrolling for pests on the yangmei grafts.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fJhvVv0v/IMG-4843.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJhvVv0v)
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isn't that a ladybug?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/4KSjQ1sb/C113523-C-B71-E-4058-874-A-5229-C8019-B78.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KSjQ1sb)
Trying this again for the gazillionth time. I will add a couple more Biqi on this shortly
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isn't that a ladybug?
Haha… Yes! The lady by population is incredible this year. They’re everywhere. Patrolling my Yangmei grafts for aphids. 👍🏼
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Yup, I bought a few containers of ladybugs and praying mantis to release in my fruit trees.
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isn't that a ladybug?
Haha… Yes! The lady by population is incredible this year. They’re everywhere. Patrolling my Yangmei grafts for aphids. 👍🏼
You too? I have never seen this many lady bugs in the 10 years I've lived at the same spot. It's so cool to see them going to work!
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Ladybugs rock! Fun to do releases, and love it when wild ones pop up.
m. cerifera has proven fairly easy to root. Just left some cuttings in a jar with water. Need to be super fresh.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Whh4kvkV/Cerifera-RCa523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Whh4kvkV)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gwPcQLBc/Cerifera-RCb523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwPcQLBc)
When I cut rootstock, trying to save the tips for new plants/future rootstock.
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Wow, that's nice. I stuck my cuttings in pots and it seems they have some small leaf buds growing.
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I’m telling you, these things are tough. I took some of my worst seedlings out of 3” pots and put them in the soil in my work garden. Though clearly showing signs of transplant stress, they’re growing some new leaves inside that look ok.
(https://i.postimg.cc/06VwKLGK/1-E5-B8003-06-F0-4-D12-95-EA-20-DDE3-E2094-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06VwKLGK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rdHpkcCj/1-F4-F992-E-59-E5-468-F-AA25-BD04-A4000-EB7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdHpkcCj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSvNp5M5/BD2-CCE27-5914-4-C28-81-CD-2-F0-CCFF61-A56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSvNp5M5)
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I was just admiring my in ground seedlings today. From now on I'm going from 4" to in the ground with shade cages for the first year
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Wanted to say that after talking with many people and doing trials myself, I now come to the conclusion that yangmei will do well in zones 8 and up. Now I don't know the max though as chill hours seem to be required. I know many people who are hesitant to try yangmei down in south FL and PR as the lack of chill hours may be a problem. Now, there are many cultivars, so I think it's only a matter of time till we find one that does well in tropical climates.
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Wanted to say that after talking with many people and doing trials myself, I now come to the conclusion that yangmei will do well in zones 8 and up. Now I don't know the max though as chill hours seem to be required. I know many people who are hesitant to try yangmei down in south FL and PR as the lack of chill hours may be a problem. Now, there are many cultivars, so I think it's only a matter of time till we find one that does well in tropical climates.
I'm getting seeds of a yangmei plant in hawaii that is self fruitful! Stoked!
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Wanted to say that after talking with many people and doing trials myself, I now come to the conclusion that yangmei will do well in zones 8 and up. Now I don't know the max though as chill hours seem to be required. I know many people who are hesitant to try yangmei down in south FL and PR as the lack of chill hours may be a problem. Now, there are many cultivars, so I think it's only a matter of time till we find one that does well in tropical climates.
I'm getting seeds of a yangmei plant in hawaii that is self fruitful! Stoked!
Are you sure it’s yangmei or is it another species?
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Also wanted to say that various rootstocks could maybe influence cold tolerance too? Still pretty early though so we need to test.
If anyone’s looking, should have more trees ready in a month.
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Planted 4 Yangmei cocktail trees on Californica rootstocks a week ago. It's looking happy so far. 3 of trees has Dongkui, Black Crystal and Late Growing grafted on it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/phxzvFQt/20230627-123321.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phxzvFQt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNP2mYzq/20230627-123355.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNP2mYzq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PCpmQhf0/20230627-123408.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCpmQhf0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7bwn8pXT/20230627-123422.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bwn8pXT)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/F12qMDw9/C0-EC631-C-E842-410-C-9113-B8-EF741183-F8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F12qMDw9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HcNKs2x9/E8-A9228-C-4-A77-4-B0-B-B2-C7-4-A6-F8709-C2-D8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcNKs2x9)
Not going to call it a win yet but this is promising on my yangmei x californica grafts.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/f3DjQvnS/B5-DD044-E-B610-455-F-8446-E7-EC6971-C8-B7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3DjQvnS)
Crystal graft on californica - jeez, gotta say this one looks pretty promising... But I will resist calling it a win yet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gxvq7T5P/D6-FD7551-3-C32-4-A44-B2-B0-F02-F55-C754-AD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gxvq7T5P)
Broke up a community pot some weeks back and threw the seedlings into FoxFarm Ocean Forest - they have that real fluffy white tomato type root. I have tried a few in ground with good success and this one was just calling to me to go in ground.
(https://i.postimg.cc/56DnTv28/E7-FA9465-65-A7-42-AF-81-E2-AEE1-C37-EAFA2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/56DnTv28)
Seedling in ground with a campomanesia xanthocarpa for midday shade. This is probably one of the best planting areas on my entire property and used to house a Pierce cherimoya which died this cold winter.
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Everyone’s trees are looking great. It’s only a matter of time before our trees start fruiting. Keep up the great growing and keep the pictures coming!
Simon
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Kevin, congrats hope your grafts keep growing my grafts started out looking like they were going to grow with green little buds but then dried up haven't checked yet to see if scion is still green.
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Wanted to say that after talking with many people and doing trials myself, I now come to the conclusion that yangmei will do well in zones 8 and up. Now I don't know the max though as chill hours seem to be required. I know many people who are hesitant to try yangmei down in south FL and PR as the lack of chill hours may be a problem. Now, there are many cultivars, so I think it's only a matter of time till we find one that does well in tropical climates.
Since yangmei is historically native to the Southern Chinese provinces of Guangdong and Guangxi, near Vietnam, and interestingly enough, those provinces also happen to be the native habitats of the venerable lychee! So what am I trying to get here? Since lychee trees are known to grow and fruit in some areas of South Florida, I think it’s only a matter of time when yangmei will begin to adapt to the South Florida climate like their next door neighbor, the lychee...
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(https://i.postimg.cc/DWhcTyCp/9-A928-A38-9-B57-4-B4-B-A845-0-D1986-D389-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWhcTyCp)
Very nice rootball for being in a community pot.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PCsWW5kf/9-AC153-CD-79-DE-4794-87-C1-DF5291-A05-DE3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCsWW5kf)
Another 9 yangmei seedlings
(https://i.postimg.cc/PvCW4LxJ/C8-F986-C0-7-D1-D-472-F-86-DA-C404-A133129-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PvCW4LxJ)
These were split from the last community pot maybe a month ago, very nice root growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/6TPLQhjv/F3-EE178-B-8462-476-E-BFF9-E5953-EC877-AC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TPLQhjv)
Put this one in the ground, it was just asking for it!
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K-Rimes,
Those seedlings look super healthy and I bet they will take off. Those will make excellent rootstocks and maybe we can even get lucky with some seedlings that produce excellent quality fruit.
Simon
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Here’s a quick update on a few Yangmei I grafted onto M. Californica and Cerifera.
Dongkui grafted onto M Californica
(https://i.postimg.cc/R3jt6H7j/IMG-0967.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3jt6H7j)
Early self pollinating hermaphrodite grafted onto M Cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/PPsk3ryT/IMG-0971.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPsk3ryT)
An Hai grafted onto M Californica
(https://i.postimg.cc/rDb64VKB/IMG-0905.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDb64VKB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rCLfdzd/IMG-0906.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rCLfdzd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3zCLbjj/IMG-0908.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3zCLbjj)
Simon
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Improved Biqi grafted onto Rubra seedling
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCS59L18/IMG-0974.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCS59L18)
White Honey grafted onto M Cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/5j7MJSf9/IMG-0971.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5j7MJSf9)
Giant 8 inch leaves from an An Hai on Rubra rootstock from one of original group buys. The leaves are huge because half the tree is shaded by my sugarcane.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T9GgtQJ/IMG-0945.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T9GgtQJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLCPbwMV/IMG-0968.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLCPbwMV)
Simon
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Improved Biqi grafted onto Rubra seedling
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCS59L18/IMG-0974.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCS59L18)
White Honey grafted onto M Cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/5j7MJSf9/IMG-0971.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5j7MJSf9)
Giant 8 inch leaves from an An Hai on Rubra rootstock from one of original group buys. The leaves are huge because half the tree is shaded by my sugarcane.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T9GgtQJ/IMG-0945.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T9GgtQJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLCPbwMV/IMG-0968.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLCPbwMV)
Simon
Simon, do you know which an hai it is? I know there’s a hard and soft variant.
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The scion from this one came from the original group buy and it was just labeled An Hai so I’m just calling this one An Hai. I have what’s called an Improved An Hai which is supposed to be slightly better quality but I won’t have confidence in any of these varieties until I have fruited them.
I am extremely upset at some of the farmers from the group buy because myself and many of my friends have purchased the trees only to find out that some of the trees, mostly males, were just seedlings. Some of the farmers may also have been selling varieties like Biqi and potentially labeling them as something else like Black Carbon or Big Black Carbon. We really won’t know for sure what we got from the group buys until we fruit them and that should be happening within the next couple of years.
There’s also the whole issue with the Root Knot Nematodes.
I completely stopped planting any Yangmei plants originating from China because I noticed a general decline in the health of those trees compared to trees I grafted onto my own disease free rootstocks.
Simon
Simon
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Simon, those are some beautiful grafted trees that you made congrats on successfully growing and grafting yangmei ;) 8)
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Thanks ScottR!
Here’s a Wandao grafted onto Cerifera rootstock.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8jbnNZT7/IMG-0976.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jbnNZT7)
And this is what happens if you don’t prune your tree. This is a Biqi grafted onto M Californica. It grew to 5 feet in under one year. It should have been pruned much lower in order to form lower scaffold branches to make harvesting of fruit easier.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hzfHG6SD/IMG-0977.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzfHG6SD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4X5MMBD/IMG-0978.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4X5MMBD)
Simon
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Nice job Simon, you should have YangMei fruits soon. Those YangMei fruits are selling in weee are under ripen and not as juicy as they supposed be.
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Simon at what point do you remove the lower portion of the californica and let it roll as just yangmei?
I’m hesitant to chop any off till I see some good size branches off the grafts.
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The scion from this one came from the original group buy and it was just labeled An Hai so I’m just calling this one An Hai. I have what’s called an Improved An Hai which is supposed to be slightly better quality but I won’t have confidence in any of these varieties until I have fruited them.
I am extremely upset at some of the farmers from the group buy because myself and many of my friends have purchased the trees only to find out that some of the trees, mostly males, were just seedlings. Some of the farmers may also have been selling varieties like Biqi and potentially labeling them as something else like Black Carbon or Big Black Carbon. We really won’t know for sure what we got from the group buys until we fruit them and that should be happening within the next couple of years.
There’s also the whole issue with the Root Knot Nematodes.
I completely stopped planting any Yangmei plants originating from China because I noticed a general decline in the health of those trees compared to trees I grafted onto my own disease free rootstocks.
Simon
Simon
Simon, totally agree with you. The seller of the group order literally trolled us all into buying seedlings. I have several contacts that I converse with and it turns out that there is no male tree market in China. My explanation for this is that there are so many wild male trees just floating around that there is no reason to make more (the main pollination is wind). Some have claimed that grafted female trees will fruit by themselves, but I think that happens there because of the large amount of wild plants there. But nonetheless, the male trees were seedlings.
Luckily a lot my trees I have have sent out rootstock growth. So def a good chance of a male coming up on the tree.
I know there are many synonyms for varieties so it's hard to clear things up lol.
I hope we start to see more grafted plants on regular rootstock hitting the market. So many people have asked me for them, but I just can't keep up with demand. For now, I recommend people to stock up on trees. Lot of new varieties hitting the market, so then you can get scions and graft...it's like a scion farm. They grow so fast. Get rootstocks and then graft on to the native stock for your region. Scions of new varieties (even common ones too) are basically impossible to come by right now, that's why I suggest trees as source of scions now, but again hopefully we can see more people offering them in the coming years.
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Simon at what point do you remove the lower portion of the californica and let it roll as just yangmei?
I’m hesitant to chop any off till I see some good size branches off the grafts.
Depends what type of graft I’m doing and it also depends on the branching structure of the rootstock. If I’m working with a rootstock with multiple branches, I often graft onto the most vigorous branches because it has the most energy. I will then remove some of the other branches to re direct energy into the grafted branches. I won’t remove all the branches because I want to keep the tree alive so definitely leave some branches and leaves to support the tree.
Once the new graft pushes new branches, not just leaves, I feel comfortable enough to remove the rest of the Californica branches.
Simon
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The barefoot trees originating from China are a great source of scions but I just hope that people are very careful of runoff and cross contamination from trees that may potentially harbor RKN or other pests. In a few of the group buys, there were trees with super Heavy infestations of RKN that were mixed in with trees that did not have galls but all the trees in those shipments could have potentially been contaminated.
Anyone that has rootstock sprouts can send in leaf samples for genetic testing to see if their rootstock tree is male or female. I sent out a bunch of leaf samples a while back and luckily got several males going. I’m hoping we can find some early, mid and late pollen producing males.
Simon
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In his 1938 autobiography, David Fairchild wrote: "A missionary's charming wife told me about the Yang mei and the Dragon's Eye, two Chinese fruits now grown in Florida." I'm only halfway through the book, so not sure if he'll expand on where Yangmei was being grown, but found it interesting Yangmei has a history of Florida.
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In his 1938 autobiography, David Fairchild wrote: "A missionary's charming wife told me about the Yang mei and the Dragon's Eye, two Chinese fruits now grown in Florida." I'm only halfway through the book, so not sure if he'll expand on where Yangmei was being grown, but found it interesting Yangmei has a history of Florida.
I did not realize that Fairchild wrote about it. As I recall, Yangmei (under the name Red Bay Berry) was grown in Gainesville by the University of Florida. The trees were seedlings so the quality was poor (the texture was reported as "rubbery"), so there was a loss of interest. I guess those trees have been torn out to make way for other projects or died out over the years. Hopefully the recently imported trees will mot suffer a similar fate. In any case, I have confidence that they get enough chill to fruit at least as far south as Gainesville. I wonder if Fairchild ever grew it in south Florida?
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In his 1938 autobiography, David Fairchild wrote: "A missionary's charming wife told me about the Yang mei and the Dragon's Eye, two Chinese fruits now grown in Florida." I'm only halfway through the book, so not sure if he'll expand on where Yangmei was being grown, but found it interesting Yangmei has a history of Florida.
I did not realize that Fairchild wrote about it. As I recall, Yangmei (under the name Red Bay Berry) was grown in Gainesville by the University of Florida. The trees were seedlings so the quality was poor (the texture was reported as "rubbery"), so there was a loss of interest. I guess those trees have been torn out to make way for other projects or died out over the years. Hopefully the recently imported trees will mot suffer a similar fate. In any case, I have confidence that they get enough chill to fruit at least as far south as Gainesville. I wonder if Fairchild ever grew it in south Florida?
You bring up a really interesting point on chill hours.
While these may seem tropical, it seems interesting as the seeds can be cold stratified - something that is done with temperate fruits...I'm excited to find out where the line is drawn for the lowest and highest zones it can be grown in. I think certain varieties may make it to zone 7. And maybe some to zone 9 or even higher. I know people have fruited it in HI, but again crop was probably affected by lack of chill hours etc. Would be really cool to see if rootstock could play a role in that too.
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I walk in the neighber and come across this. Is this one of the morella? The leaves have no scent and no teeth edges.
Thanks.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLtyP91k/morella1jpg.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLtyP91k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XXgZMjLS/morella2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XXgZMjLS)
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I walk in the neighber and come across this. Is this one of the morella? The leaves have no scent and no teeth edges.
Thanks.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLtyP91k/morella1jpg.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLtyP91k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XXgZMjLS/morella2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XXgZMjLS)
Def not yangmei
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Thanks.
Where do you obtain the rootstock? I'm in san diego.
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You can order rootstock online. I purchased some Cerifera from Amazon a while back.
Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/0Km4jPqc/6-A7-DA7-D0-3439-45-F5-8-F89-0-BB02-F471311.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Km4jPqc)
Don’t try using Kellogg Patio plus / wood chip based soil mixes. Yangmei don’t like that. I put these into fox farm and expect to see a full recovery.
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You can order rootstock online. I purchased some Cerifera from Amazon a while back.
Simon
thanks.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/LnydGy1v/99348-CD8-5061-4279-A957-16-B034-DABA75.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnydGy1v)
Ok, ok, ok I think I'm going to call this a win now! This is Dongkui on californica
(https://i.postimg.cc/JG0YHRsc/D499-FDA9-CF5-E-4-A80-B9-F7-518-C94-AC05-BE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JG0YHRsc)
I put this seedling in the ground just a few days ago and it is absolutely blasting off, this hot weather is working great
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The scion from this one came from the original group buy and it was just labeled An Hai so I’m just calling this one An Hai. I have what’s called an Improved An Hai which is supposed to be slightly better quality but I won’t have confidence in any of these varieties until I have fruited them.
I am extremely upset at some of the farmers from the group buy because myself and many of my friends have purchased the trees only to find out that some of the trees, mostly males, were just seedlings. Some of the farmers may also have been selling varieties like Biqi and potentially labeling them as something else like Black Carbon or Big Black Carbon. We really won’t know for sure what we got from the group buys until we fruit them and that should be happening within the next couple of years.
There’s also the whole issue with the Root Knot Nematodes.
I completely stopped planting any Yangmei plants originating from China because I noticed a general decline in the health of those trees compared to trees I grafted onto my own disease free rootstocks.
Simon
Simon
Simon, totally agree with you. The seller of the group order literally trolled us all into buying seedlings. I have several contacts that I converse with and it turns out that there is no male tree market in China. My explanation for this is that there are so many wild male trees just floating around that there is no reason to make more (the main pollination is wind). Some have claimed that grafted female trees will fruit by themselves, but I think that happens there because of the large amount of wild plants there. But nonetheless, the male trees were seedlings.
Luckily a lot my trees I have have sent out rootstock growth. So def a good chance of a male coming up on the tree.
I know there are many synonyms for varieties so it's hard to clear things up lol.
I hope we start to see more grafted plants on regular rootstock hitting the market. So many people have asked me for them, but I just can't keep up with demand. For now, I recommend people to stock up on trees. Lot of new varieties hitting the market, so then you can get scions and graft...it's like a scion farm. They grow so fast. Get rootstocks and then graft on to the native stock for your region. Scions of new varieties (even common ones too) are basically impossible to come by right now, that's why I suggest trees as source of scions now, but again hopefully we can see more people offering them in the coming years.
that's right. In China there are abundant of male trees and female trees can be pollinated by wind easily. you are right that there no male tree market in China. I only knew of one grower who grafted some male trees and he now stopped doing so. it makes no sense to have male trees with named varieties...
there is also no yangmei varieties that fruits in October, not even in August. Dongkui is about the most late ripening variety and even for Dongkui the season is already done in China by late June, except at some high altitude areas.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MnWbc6sV/2-AF0-EDE2-DA1-F-4621-83-AC-FBC4-EC539-BD2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnWbc6sV)
Grafted Wusu from overseas getting an up pot. I used a mostly sand mix from under my oaks to hopefully get some soil biology from there, and seemed to work.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0zcGDT33/6658-B9-E3-0-AC5-4543-9555-DE5-BA7464-C6-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zcGDT33)
Fresh Wusu grafts on myrica, I will probably sell this plant later if it takes.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZvpFNCtF/AA25-AF1-B-6-A06-4-C50-B8-FB-02-C508-BD252-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZvpFNCtF)
Another look at the rootball, these are very rapid rooting plants! I put it into FoxFarm Ocean forest cause that seems even better for them for pot culture, but I feel that it's really easy for the rootball to get out of control with yangmei and drink up the water in a few hours. They are good drinkers. I am pretty happy looking at these roots that they do not have RKN so I am considering planting them in ground.
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The roots grow super fast and I severely burned a few of my trees when I didn’t water them enough on a hot day. Once the roots reach the side of the container, it’s almost time to up pot. Wusu is supposedly a very good tasting variety! Good growing and please keep us updated!
Simon
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First fruit on my biqi seedling from rtreid. No male around.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gx6wQqty/20230716-092334.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gx6wQqty)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w7rywb2T/20230716-092443.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7rywb2T)
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Shane,
That is exciting! How old is your seedling? How did it taste?
Janet
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Hi all,
Does anyone have any male Yangmei scions?
From my order of 10+ trees on the group order, only 1 is alive above the graft and 1 other alive below the graft (looks like californica). I’ll need a male to get any fruit at all. Would someone be willing to sell me some scions? Please PM me, thanks!
Kevin
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Shane,
That is exciting! How old is your seedling? How did it taste?
Janet
Also want to know this! Doesn't look all that big.
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First fruit on my biqi seedling from rtreid. No male around.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gx6wQqty/20230716-092334.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gx6wQqty)
(https://i.postimg.cc/w7rywb2T/20230716-092443.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7rywb2T)
Shane, that’s awesome. This is a good sign that the trees can produce some fruit without a separate male tree. I wonder if your tree might have made a few male or hermaphrodite flowers? Congratulations on the beautiful fruit!
Simon
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Shane,
That is exciting! How old is your seedling? How did it taste?
Janet
Also want to know this! Doesn't look all that big.
Shane’s tree was large according to a previous picture he posted. It went up to his roofline. I’ve seen videos of smaller potted trees fruiting however.
Simon
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Seedling is quite old. From rtreid i believe germinated around the same time as the first yangmei group order. I put it in the ground feb 2016. The first fruit was nice, not as good as biqi itself but might get better. Was leaving others on but found two dropped or knocked off today. Fruit was a bit worse. No zing. Just picked the last and its lemony right off the tree. I think ill be happy with it. Kevin N also grafted two male branches on this year so crossing fingers for next year!
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Seedling is quite old. From rtreid i believe germinated around the same time as the first yangmei group order. I put it in the ground feb 2016. The first fruit was nice, not as good as biqi itself but might get better. Was leaving others on but found two dropped or knocked off today. Fruit was a bit worse. No zing. Just picked the last and its lemony right off the tree. I think ill be happy with it. Kevin N also grafted two male branches on this year so crossing fingers for next year!
Did you have any males around for when it was fruiting?
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No other yangmei as far as i know. Or myrica.
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My in ground Myrica rubra seedlings have a distinct talc-y coat on the new leaves. None of my grafted plants or Myrica esculenta are doing this. Pretty cool to see. A defense mechanism to protect new growth from extreme sun exposure. Also looks totally beautiful
(https://i.postimg.cc/87H2nvtT/20230718-121257.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87H2nvtT)
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Nattyfrootz, I had similar growth on the new leaves of one of my grafted trees from China, but forget which one. Agree it's beautiful.
Shane, thanks for the info on your seedling.
Janet
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Nice looking seedling Nate. I noticed my grafted trees also have that on the new growth whether it’s Rubra, Cerifera or Californica rootstock.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rKtbB1fV/IMG-1038.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKtbB1fV)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JsVgMsFb/IMG-1039.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsVgMsFb)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ts3cTX08/IMG-1042.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ts3cTX08)
(https://i.postimg.cc/p9P65gRr/IMG-1043.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9P65gRr)
Simon
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My in ground Myrica rubra seedlings have a distinct talc-y coat on the new leaves. None of my grafted plants or Myrica esculenta are doing this. Pretty cool to see. A defense mechanism to protect new growth from extreme sun exposure. Also looks totally beautiful
(https://i.postimg.cc/87H2nvtT/20230718-121257.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87H2nvtT)
My rose red tree also did that. I thought it could be on variety lol cause the new leaves were super red, but seems like rose red is describing the fruit, not the leaves, and it seems that other varieties do this also.
Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks.
Where do you obtain the rootstock? I'm in san diego.
Seng-Im in San Diego County and have a lot of rootstock. Mostly M Pensylvanica but also M. Cerifera and M. Californica...probably over 100 1-3 gallons if your interested PM me.
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Seedling is quite old. From rtreid i believe germinated around the same time as the first yangmei group order. I put it in the ground feb 2016. The first fruit was nice, not as good as biqi itself but might get better. Was leaving others on but found two dropped or knocked off today. Fruit was a bit worse. No zing. Just picked the last and its lemony right off the tree. I think ill be happy with it. Kevin N also grafted two male branches on this year so crossing fingers for next year!
Interesting on the taste profile Shane! The fruits are definitely nice sized. This tree is huge and healthy, as soon as the male grafts take I think you'll have a ton of fruit from this tree alone.
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Checking out several different cultivars as they endure the heat here in SoFL. Current weather station reading is 101.7F (45% humidity). Wunderground says 96F and Miami news shows high of 98F.
WuSu trees seems very happy.
Biqi trees seems very happy.
Late Biqi trees seems very happy.
All others (Ruansi, DK, White DK, Early Yingsi, An Hai, Early Mutants) are all doing okay, but maybe some mild signs of stress.
Yingsi seems most sensitive to the heat. New growth wilting, even though in shade.
All get some full sun, but not all day.
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Thanks.
Where do you obtain the rootstock? I'm in san diego.
Seng-Im in San Diego County and have a lot of rootstock. Mostly M Pensylvanica but also M. Cerifera and M. Californica...probably over 100 1-3 gallons if your interested PM me.
Kankan, how are your grafts on Pennsylvanica? Out of the common rootstocks used, it appears that Pennsylvanica is the smallest rootstock when not grafted. This is just based off of botanical literature and I was wondering if this rootstock will grow slower or if it will dwarf the tree. Dwarfing the tree could be useful if trying to keep the canopy manageable since Yangmei can get quite large. Thanks in advance for any information!
Simon
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Not sure I can tell yet. All my grafts on M. Pensylvanica were done this spring. I believe Marta Matvienko has fruited her yangmei on M. Pensylvanica and her trees grow well in Davis, CA. so that was my motivation for getting this root stock. The only conclusion I've come to regarding grafting yangmei is I have had better luck with smaller diameter grafting (at least for cleft/V grafts) as opposed to 1/4" or larger diameter...and by better luck like %25 success rate, so not that great.
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Crystal appears to have settled in. It seems like each member has a different variety which bodes well for the future.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VS1sMDfc/4-A75-CC73-1-F8-C-4717-AD8-A-A6-A062-BDDB0-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VS1sMDfc)
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Checking out several different cultivars as they endure the heat here in SoFL. Current weather station reading is 101.7F (45% humidity). Wunderground says 96F and Miami news shows high of 98F.
WuSu trees seems very happy.
Biqi trees seems very happy.
Late Biqi trees seems very happy.
All others (Ruansi, DK, White DK, Early Yingsi, An Hai, Early Mutants) are all doing okay, but maybe some mild signs of stress.
Yingsi seems most sensitive to the heat. New growth wilting, even though in shade.
All get some full sun, but not all day.
I wonder if the apparent differences are due to varying degrees of nematode resistance in the root stock?
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Checking out several different cultivars as they endure the heat here in SoFL. Current weather station reading is 101.7F (45% humidity). Wunderground says 96F and Miami news shows high of 98F.
WuSu trees seems very happy.
Biqi trees seems very happy.
Late Biqi trees seems very happy.
All others (Ruansi, DK, White DK, Early Yingsi, An Hai, Early Mutants) are all doing okay, but maybe some mild signs of stress.
Yingsi seems most sensitive to the heat. New growth wilting, even though in shade.
All get some full sun, but not all day.
In ground or containers?
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Here's another passage from Fairchild. If Myrica rubra is "Nagi", I wonder what was the "Yang mei" he referred to earlier?
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkZ7g7r0/IMG-20230724-212651425-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkZ7g7r0)
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Checking out several different cultivars as they endure the heat here in SoFL. Current weather station reading is 101.7F (45% humidity). Wunderground says 96F and Miami news shows high of 98F.
WuSu trees seems very happy.
Biqi trees seems very happy.
Late Biqi trees seems very happy.
All others (Ruansi, DK, White DK, Early Yingsi, An Hai, Early Mutants) are all doing okay, but maybe some mild signs of stress.
Yingsi seems most sensitive to the heat. New growth wilting, even though in shade.
All get some full sun, but not all day.
In ground or containers?
Biqis are in-ground. All others are in pots still. Going to put more in-ground soon.
Have noticed any todes hanging around or signs of them, so don't think that is an issue.
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Here's another passage from Fairchild. If Myrica rubra is "Nagi", I wonder what was the "Yang mei" he referred to earlier?
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkZ7g7r0/IMG-20230724-212651425-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkZ7g7r0)
I believe Nagi is Myrica esculenta. A different species but very similar fruits AFAIK. I have a couple of those plants as well. I don't think nematodes are too prevalent in California and we may not see them manifest symptoms on our trees whereas in Florida you are more likely to see the todes.
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Has anybody tried removing the endocarp per Ronnie Demler's methods and not soaked in GA3? I'm thinking of trying to remove the endocarp to speed up germination but not sure if the GA3 will be a requirement to break dormancy?
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Has anybody tried removing the endocarp per Ronnie Demler's methods and not soaked in GA3? I'm thinking of trying to remove the endocarp to speed up germination but not sure if the GA3 will be a requirement to break dormancy?
About 10-25% of the seeds I got had small cracks in them I could pry open with my nails.
But I ended up selling all the seeds and not really planting them. I put a few in a zip lock bag damp paper towel method but they molded. Maybe could work as the seeds were already cold stratified?if not, I’d assume ga3 or something else is needed to make them grow?
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Has anybody tried removing the endocarp per Ronnie Demler's methods and not soaked in GA3? I'm thinking of trying to remove the endocarp to speed up germination but not sure if the GA3 will be a requirement to break dormancy?
Ive removed the endocarp and used GA3. I've also removed it and not used GA3. In both cases mold was an issue...and I soaked them in a light bleach solution. Theres a good guide posted somewhere on this form on how to do it. I suspect my germination location was too warm...maybe.
I've had way better success just planting the seeds, endocarp and all, and letting them go through winter outside and sprout in late spring.
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I've had way better success just planting the seeds, endocarp and all, and letting them go through winter outside and sprout in late spring.
This is how I did it. The wait is painful, the mold is plentiful, and the risk for rodents to eat them is overwhelming... But it works.
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Just saw this video on FB about Yangmei.
Yunfei Chen champions Chinese fruit, Yangmei in America
https://abc7news.com/yangmei-yunfei-chen-popular-chinese-fruit-summer/13593522/?fbclid=IwAR0Q394KYMNYldyBTLCAYoP0AlDij6XLne6KKScr0LHYyrfJqIpy1U56-XM
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Im going to try fresh seeds in moist vermiculite (I use acid water from a Kangen) kept in refrigerator for a month ? think thats long enough ? before placing in warm seed starting area ?
Cheers Yangmei Gang
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(https://i.postimg.cc/N5Mrq4sf/47-ADE9-D5-B86-E-45-E3-86-BB-31-AE599-FDA02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N5Mrq4sf)
The rest of my yangmei grafts on the other branches of this californica all failed, so I decided to cut those all off. It's just crystal yangmei on the rootstock now... really hoping it doesn't get that random die back, but it's been a great performer in the ground and was growing robustly before I cut it back.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/jWjxdqWP/IMG-2813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWjxdqWP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYpF4kKh/IMG-2814.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYpF4kKh)
Out of my 10s graft this spring, my worst and most terrible graft took on 1in leftover rootstock. It's a freaking marker-size scion and bigger than the rootstock. Yangmei lottery
Already at 3feets growth. 100f+ whole summer and it kept going nonstop
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(https://i.postimg.cc/jWjxdqWP/IMG-2813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWjxdqWP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYpF4kKh/IMG-2814.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYpF4kKh)
Out of my 10s graft this spring, my worst and most terrible graft took on 1in leftover rootstock. It's a freaking marker-size scion and bigger than the rootstock. Yangmei lottery
Already at 3feets growth. 100f+ whole summer and it kept going nonstop
Congratulations! What variety did you graft? I’d much rather have a successful graft that’s ugly than a beautiful graft that failed.
Simon
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I've had way better success just planting the seeds, endocarp and all, and letting them go through winter outside and sprout in late spring.
I agree...Sometimes the best way to plant a rare, stubborn seed is to just plant it in the ground, keep it relatively moist, and give it some time and be patient. Like most expensive wine require time and patience to get to that desirable level, so do difficult seeds. Give nature a chance to give it a nudge and wake it up! Our fast paced society wants it bigger, faster, and stronger. But I think nature takes her own time!.
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No name seedling from my parent Chinese friend growing in Corpus Christi. It’s red and big as half dollar coin.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FYcCLwq4/87-EB8-B16-8675-437-D-ACA3-C27553469-EC5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYcCLwq4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WDLKYsrz/A92022-EF-1-C05-4-C85-8-FEE-18-C94536-B9-B0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDLKYsrz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LnG0hmxD/DA5-C3-E69-5951-460-B-9-A57-A7-ACD9-A58-FD8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LnG0hmxD)
Wellp, that’s it for me folks. I give up. Myrica californica grafted plants died, as did the two imported ones. Maybe it’s my well water, I don’t know.
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Kevin, sorry to see that. How are your seedlings doing? Maybe the best rootstock in the long run are seedlings.
Janet
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Sorry for your losses Kevin.
Did those plants dry up, or did they die and then the pots dried up?
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Sorry for your losses Kevin.
Did those plants dry up, or did they die and then the pots dried up?
I was very dutiful on keeping water within reason on all of these, but stopped watering the corpses hence why the soil looks dry. The one I am holding in my hand was californica which had been in ground for months and doing quite nicely. I felt confident to cut off all the rest of the Californica rootstock.
They all die from the top down. This has happened to all of them which I have kept potted, and now happened to that one in ground one too. This leads me to believe it is a root issue.
Kevin, sorry to see that. How are your seedlings doing? Maybe the best rootstock in the long run are seedlings.
Janet
I had one seedling that was doing pretty well in ground die, another is barely holding on, and another seems to have settled in pretty well and is growing robustly. I replaced the in ground californica with another seedling and we'll see what happens. I put another non-grafted californica in ground in my orchard area and I'll graft it next year I guess.
I am so immensely frustrated by yangmei and all the attempts I've made. My well water can be problematic sometimes so I would like to blame that, but yeah, just have no answer to these issues really. Seedlings only for me going forward.
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I grafted 5 scions onto Californica, planted one at home and 4 in Fallbrook. I expected the one I planted at home to make it since it was my best one. It died once I cut off most of the Californica, I had left one decent sized branch. Only 2 of the ones I planted in Fallbrook survived, one male Adam scion I got from Marta and a Black Carbon scion I cut from Bill’s last import.
The grafted trees from the group buys I planted out at the farm seem to be getting established. I’ll take some pics this weekend.
This is my surviving Anhai from the first group buy with Ken. It seemed stunted for awhile, I’ve kept it at home because I thought it might have nematodes.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QH9wXXNR/570-C3717-A2-ED-4183-904-B-B865-C5-B4-AC57.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QH9wXXNR)
These are my 2 surviving trees from Bill’s last import. They’re both Black Carbons. I didn’t give them any extra care like the previous trees I had sealed in buddy tape and placed on heat mats indoors.
I planted all the trees in one community fabric pot and kept them in the shade outside under a palm tree. I decided not to buddy tape them so that I could occasionally mist the branches with foliar spray. I trimmed the leaves when I transplanted them into their own pots. I'm constantly picking caterpillars off.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygTj1b2g/399959-EC-0333-4-AB2-A1-E3-3392896-EEF53.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygTj1b2g)
These are seedlings I started. I’m keeping them in a large tub so they don’t touch the soil in my garden. They only get morning sun.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2VWqnZ8T/F7-CAF3-CB-0714-4769-9771-A606-E8-CCBE30.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VWqnZ8T)
Janet
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I have read that it is sometimes helpful to leave a branch of the rootstock in marginally compatible grafts (such as wampee on citrus). Apparently, this helps feed the roots when nutrients aren't properly transfered through a marginally compatible graft union. Since M. California is an evergreen and M. Rubra is deciduous this practice might be even more helpful since its likely that the roots will need to be fed even when the top wants to go dormant. Based on the comments on this thread, it sounds like most of the problems start after completely removing the last rootstock branches.
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Nice to see the thread updated.
Kevin, so sorry to hear about you losses.
Janet, those are looking nice.
Galatians522, where did you find out they were deciduous? Mine didn't lose their leaves during the winter. I know some people have some fruiting ones on pennyslvanica, but again, grafting them and getting them to actually grow seems to be the tough part.
TBH I've kinda neglected mine, but then I snapped out of it when I almost lost one due to not watering.
I'm going to plant one in the greenhouse tomorrow if I can make a choice.
I still don't know the secret to grafting them. After asking many growers abroad and local, it just doesn't make sense.
Maybe rootstock is a factor...rubra to rubra being the best compared to others...genetically makes sense.
If anyone is interested in more trees or scions, I'm always ready.
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Jaboticaba45, I just assumed that all the leafless trees I saw early in this thread from the group buy were naturally deciduous. I guess they were hand stripped to defoliate them prior to shipping? I have not gotten to grow one yet, but I do have a large cerifera in my back yard. I was hoping for better news regarding compatibility. ;D
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Wellp, that’s it for me folks. I give up. Myrica californica grafted plants died, as did the two imported ones. Maybe it’s my well water, I don’t know.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tnPhWKw4/F93-DA2-BF-D8-EB-454-D-AB45-AEA4-C829-D407.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tnPhWKw4)
I’ve said it a million times. It’s the curse. Just had this nice established tree die on me. Was doing great. Then it wasn’t.
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My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg/20230914-082550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg)
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Kevin, My m. californica has died back too all the grafts from excellent wood from Brad finally died some seemed to be going to push then failed. I cut back all the trucks one is still green at ends so time will tell. But I'm leaning towards Kevins, way of thinking lost two grafted plants from original buy now this is 2nd time i grafted to m californica with no success so might be time to say no more for me too :( :P
I applaud all the folks who have successfully grown yang mei and I wish you all fruitful future growing ;) 8)
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My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg/20230914-082550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg)
Brad, nice job your tree looks great! Are you feeding your tree? Have you tried grafted on a male scion?
Janet
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Kevin, My m. californica has died back too all the grafts from excellent wood from Brad finally died some seemed to be going to push then failed. I cut back all the trucks one is still green at ends so time will tell. But I'm leaning towards Kevins, way of thinking lost two grafted plants from original buy now this is 2nd time i grafted to m californica with no success so might be time to say no more for me too :( :P
I applaud all the folks who have successfully grown yang mei and I wish you all fruitful future growing ;) 8)
I have some seedlings for you next time I see you, to help assuage the pain! I have had much better luck with them, and for the price of one fruit (which I enjoyed anyways) it doesn't hurt if they die on me.
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Kevin, if your seedlings grow well, I'll send you scions to graft, assuming my grafted plants make it.
Janet
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Kevin, if your seedlings grow well, I'll send you scions to graft, assuming my grafted plants make it.
Janet
Appreciate it Janet, will be at least a year by the looks of how slow things establish in my yard. It seems there is a 2 year wait for any real growth, then it goes well. I'll get a photo of my in ground seedlings soon.
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There's still hope. My trees are grafted on Californica rootstocks. All trees planted in late June of this year and still doing great. It's about to put on another flush. The unprotected tree got nibbled by deers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/WDJpBN0Z/20230914-104035.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDJpBN0Z)
(https://i.postimg.cc/N5gMKwwh/20230914-104102.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N5gMKwwh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/21t89bLm/20230914-104125.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/21t89bLm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XGSN3Rgz/20230914-104137.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGSN3Rgz)
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My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg/20230914-082550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBjbyLBg)
Brad, nice job your tree looks great! Are you feeding your tree? Have you tried grafted on a male scion?
Janet
I did put some raw chicken turds under it once but other than that not much. I also ran some 25-5-15 fertilizer through the injector to get the acvocado trees and this tree is on the same lines so it got a little bit of chemical fertilizer also. But not much. Havent grafted anything to it.
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My seedling plant really took off this year
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzSPdzf7/IMG-0083.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rzSPdzf7)
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Great updates everyone! Looks like Brad and Max’s trees are really taking off. Kevin, I’ve had that happen to me as well. Some trees on Californica will be doing great and then just suddenly die. Some trees I grafted on Californica just seem to thrive and seems to be immune to whatever it was that killed the tree right next to it.
In terms of grafting Yangmei, if you can graft citrus, mango or stone fruit, you can graft Yangmei. Just make sure you have fresh scions and healthy rootstocks. A simple cleft graft will work.
I’m starting to think that it’s possible for these trees to fruit without a male since Shane’s seedling tree fruited without a male graft. The farmers from the group buy also stated that they didn’t need a male. Even if they don’t need a male, it’s probably best to have one because it could take many years before the tree produces it’s own pollen and yields will probably increase significantly with a male grafted.
Simon
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My 1 remaining plant (out of 10 that I bought) that still survive in a 7 gallon pot. It was labeled as a dong kui male but it looks like a seedling. Wonder if I can take an air layer of the main trunk?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Sn0SPFjs/IMG-20230730-083327717.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sn0SPFjs)
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If you don’t see a graft line, it is probably a seedling. You can take air layers from Yangmei but it can take a while to form roots. You may also consider growing out some M. Californica or Cerifera rootstocks and then grafting some branches onto them if you want to propagate more male trees.
Simon
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My 1 remaining plant (out of 10 that I bought) that still survive in a 7 gallon pot. It was labeled as a dong kui male but it looks like a seedling. Wonder if I can take an air layer of the main trunk?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Sn0SPFjs/IMG-20230730-083327717.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sn0SPFjs)
Forgot to mention that If your tree is a seedling, there’s a chance it could be a female.
Simon
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Here’s an update of the Summer growth on my Yangmei. I grafted these trees onto M. Rubra, Cerifera and Californica. All the rootstocks were grown in the USA.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kk5sFXqg/IMG-1346.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Kk5sFXqg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzrXzgFG/IMG-1394.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzrXzgFG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRnztM6c/IMG-1395.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRnztM6c)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rdxPnR5j/IMG-1396.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdxPnR5j)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXpBfcDW/IMG-1397.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXpBfcDW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRXYgjzY/IMG-1399.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRXYgjzY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5XHGzR0Z/IMG-1406.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5XHGzR0Z)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v4pKttxD/IMG-1409.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4pKttxD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vD3SNsxJ/IMG-1413.png) (https://postimg.cc/vD3SNsxJ)
Simon
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Looks good Simon. What % take did you have grafting yangmei? Im about %25.
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I get about 90% take’s depending on the season.
Simon
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Decided to drop my Crystal Yang into the ground with the cooler weather upon us and a bunch of new growth popping. This is the only one I have been able to keep alive so it better survive damnit. It’s been a week, so far so good. No germination yet from the Calmei seeds that I planted a couple months back.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GTPHwG79/IMG-2848.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTPHwG79)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/bdn9QZVB/3-C8-AEA66-0-BA0-4791-9-A74-50-A97322-DB72.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdn9QZVB)
This one is in one of the best spots on the entire property. It used to have a cherimoya but it died, it seems to be doing pretty well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ctf7Zz8S/678-A8-E5-E-A7-BD-478-A-AE4-B-8-C3645-CA7-B3-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ctf7Zz8S)
This one has been in ground for some months, hasn't grown much at all but I see some promising signs at the nodes.
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Those two seedlings look pretty happy. If you can get them to flush once or twice, you’ll probably be out of the woods.
Simon
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I get about 90% take’s depending on the season.
Simon
Wow! Any lessons learned? I've come to appreciate the value of fresh scions but other than that not sure what drives uo the success rate...
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So far these guys have been much more difficult then I first thought, but slowly learning to keep them happy.
I've been using approach graft onto californica roots with great success. I had 2 mothers to start this spring and am up to 6 plants now and gonna set up a few more grafts this week.
(https://i.postimg.cc/K1ScFTwX/20230919-081050.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K1ScFTwX)
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I get about 90% take’s depending on the season.
Simon
Wow! Any lessons learned? I've come to appreciate the value of fresh scions but other than that not sure what drives uo the success rate...
The freshness of the scion and the health and stage of growth for rootstock are the two major factors but all the other factors that affect any type of grafts are also very important. When I graft, I think in terms of energy. I prefer to graft onto the dominant branches because there is more sap flow going to the apically dominant branches. If I graft onto a non-apically dominant branch, I will often cut off or shorten nearby branches in order to make the branch I just grafted onto the most dominant branch.
About a week or two after grafting is when the callous tissue normally starts growing rapidly in order to form the new union and this coincides with a growth flush that normally occurs at this time due to the removal of nearby apically dominant branches. With this growth flush, lots of new buds will appear and you can significantly decrease the odds of your grafts taking if you don’t remove these buds. This is one of the major mistakes I see grafters make.
Simon
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Hey everyone, please post here if/when you notice blooms on your plants. Last year, I had my female blooms open up around the end of January for An Hai and Dongkui. I’m trying to trend this data so that we can match male pollinators with female blooms.
Your location and variety is important information as well. Areas with higher heat units and a higher daily light integral will likely get earlier fruit and the cooler areas with lower DLI’s will probably give us the later harvests but I would like to keep track of these data points.
Since many of our male trees are seedlings, they may have a wide range of bloom times. I would love to track when the buds first start forming, when they open their blooms and how long the bloom period is. Same goes for the female trees.
The regular vegetative buds look more pointed and the flower buds are more oval and have pine cone like bracts that look like mini hops buds. See page 15 of this thread for a pic of female buds from last year.
If everyone tracks their data here, we can trend the data to help everyone grow and fertilize our trees more efficiently and also potentially increase our yields by having the right combination of male and female varieties for best cross pollination and potentially an extended harvest season by planting/grafting early and late season male/female combinations. Thanks in advance!
Simon
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Biqi seedling. Fruited last year. Carlsbad, CA. 4 miles from the coast. This is from the part of the tree that has flowered last couple years. 2-3 times a year. Looks like flower buds to me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG/20230923-173037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG)
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Biqi seedling. Fruited last year. Carlsbad, CA. 4 miles from the coast. This is from the part of the tree that has flowered last couple years. 2-3 times a year. Looks like flower buds to me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG/20230923-173037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG)
Putative male branch grafted a few months ago:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nj1y6XPy/20230923-173724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nj1y6XPy)
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Nice Shane,
Your tree is large and hopefully you’ll get a bunch of fruit this coming year.
Here’s a picture of what a typical vegetative bud looks like.
(https://i.postimg.cc/z3wWZr5S/IMG-1476.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3wWZr5S)
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1CSNXFg/IMG-1479.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1CSNXFg)
Simon
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Biqi seedling. Fruited last year. Carlsbad, CA. 4 miles from the coast. This is from the part of the tree that has flowered last couple years. 2-3 times a year. Looks like flower buds to me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG/20230923-173037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z92QK5rG)
Putative male branch grafted a few months ago:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nj1y6XPy/20230923-173724.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nj1y6XPy)
Hopefully 2024 flowers show it to be a male! The mother plant of those grafts is the fastest grower out of all my yangmei and came as a male so Im betting it is!
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzG9rggS/IMG-0559.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rzG9rggS)
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Hey, how is everyon'e yangmei doing?
I planted out my last ruansi and pennyslvanica. I am content now. I really don't need every variety either, I will be happy with what I have.
After growing many many yangmeis, I have learned two things.
1. These are extremely easy to grow.
2. They are hardy to around 15f or lower.
If you can grow loquats, citrus, and olives, then you can grow this.
I expect to hear fruiting reports in the next year or so given how quickly they grow.
Much respect to the people on the grind like Simon and Kevin.
Hats off to them. 8)
I believe the best area to grow yangmei in the eastern US would be south GA and north FL. Some start up a yangmei farm there. I'm sure you could turn up a decent profit if you know what you're doing.
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I'm in the same zone as you. Do you think it can handle short dips to 10F or otherwise thrive in 7b?
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I'm in the same zone as you. Do you think it can handle short dips to 10F or otherwise thrive in 7b?
Yes, I had mine take 9f as tiny trees.
I have no idea if it will mess with flowering and fruiting cycles like loquat.
Growers in zone 7 should be able to make it happen with a bit of protection and luck.
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where do you guys aquire these plants?
i found one seller that had grafted 4-6 ft of different varities but they completed dissappeared from the internet it seems.
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where do you guys aquire these plants?
i found one seller that had grafted 4-6 ft of different varities but they completed dissappeared from the internet it seems.
I, along with several others, imported several varieties from China, and have been offered on here and eBay. There have been a few group buys (can be found on here). The group buys, in my opinion, have been a disappointment. Several people have had great success from what they got out of the group buys, but that percentage is low.
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There's a guy on Facebook marketplace selling them who was the guy originally on Etsy, but the price is high. He's probably on here since, well, who isn't? The Yangmei had its leaves fall off which is not abnormal after shipping but is always a "wait-and_see" thing, the kadsura dropped leaves too but has new growth buds. The kadsura was definitely worth the price I paid, I was really impressed with the kadsura actually. Jason on this forum is selling Yangmei now again too per a very recent post, probably from the same source based on varieties offered, I sent a PM inquiring as I really want multiple Yangmei trees.
I live in the same zone as Jaboticaba45 (what an absolutely impressive young man he is compared to most of the other Gen Zers I know with no hobbies) and am wanting to get these growing here, perhaps in-ground if possible. 7b can be an irritating zone to grow in because it's right at the cusp of where many of tropical/subtropical plants get killed, though it sounds like these things may be cold hardier than suspected.
The lack of males is a real disappointment. I have a bunch of seeds in cold strat now...
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After skimming a couple of articles on Myrica phylogeny and seeing the Bayesian dendrograms, I thought I would summarize the relatedness of the main spp. to Myrica rubra. This information might be useful for rootstock grafting, since I suspect there is too much intrageneric separation in a pantemperate genus as this for universal compatibility.
1. M. adenophora
2. M. nana
3. M. esculenta & M. integrifolia
4. M. caroliniensis, cerifera, pensylvanica, quercifolia & spathulata
5. M. gale & hartwegii
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I've personally have seen someone's Yangmei collection. No, they are not on the forum. All of his trees have fruit. I was looking for a "male" tree, but he confirmed that all of his trees have fruit. Here is what I found online about the differences in the inflorescence:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nM5qd6Ls/yangmei-inflos.png) (https://postimg.cc/nM5qd6Ls)
I will look for the inflos to confirm that they are both on the same plant.
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I've personally have seen someone's Yangmei collection. No, they are not on the forum. All of his trees have fruit. I was looking for a "male" tree, but he confirmed that all of his trees have fruit. Here is what I found online about the differences in the inflorescence:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nM5qd6Ls/yangmei-inflos.png) (https://postimg.cc/nM5qd6Ls)
I will look for the inflos to confirm that they are both on the same plant.
Out of curiosity, if he has a decent collection with fruit, can this person give their opinions about the varieties they have and which ones they prefer?
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I had a bunch of yangmei seedlings in pots that I didn't want to deal with anymore so I just planted them willy nilly around the yard to see if one works out. Doubled up one planting where the first one wasn't looking so hot.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RNctSH8F/3-F7-CE2-DA-0-A9-B-466-C-B71-A-000-D91944-C1-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNctSH8F)
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3FyjzFp/49720-D8-D-A3-FC-4-E05-BDF0-791936-A9-D20-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3FyjzFp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSSL6y6R/96-FBA743-0-ED0-4-C00-A018-57-FF4356580-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSSL6y6R)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KKdc393y/9-A2-AEF53-9-F56-4-FC9-A2-AE-76-F978-FE496-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKdc393y)
(https://i.postimg.cc/563tKqTw/E54103-BA-7271-4-ED0-8095-7-FFE98566737.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/563tKqTw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4Y2xs4Jy/F6983008-857-A-48-C2-BF09-0863-DAE6-E9-B5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4Y2xs4Jy)
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Out of the first 10 I got one Biqi is holding on strong.
This next 10 are in way better shape time of year prolly making a huge difference in plant health dongkui, white dongkui, yingsi, Wusu, Wuzi
(https://i.postimg.cc/cgFLbkTt/IMG-7309.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgFLbkTt)
Thanks to y’all in the Yangmei gang keeping me motivated through the struggles hahaha
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Wow, I can’t believe all the new varieties everyone has. It’s going to be awesome when we start fruiting these and comparing Flavor Profiles, Brix, Production, Season, Size, etc…
Many of the varieties I’m growing are starting to bloom. Here’s a couple pictures of my early Hermaphrodite buds.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLTTcQZc/IMG-1892.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLTTcQZc)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkby83WZ/IMG-1894.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkby83WZ)
Simon
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These buds may be blooms as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rRd82zd5/IMG-1828.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rRd82zd5)
Instead of individual buds, these buds look more like a cluster or rosette of buds.
Simon
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where do you guys aquire these plants?
i found one seller that had grafted 4-6 ft of different varities but they completed dissappeared from the internet it seems.
:) :)Hi friend,I'm from china.I'm selling Myrica rubra trees now,the price is convenient, and the package survives.Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Online shop:https://changyun.shop (https://changyun.shop)
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Pretty cool simon.
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Not sure if this is the appropriate place to post but since it involves one of the Group buy yang meis I figured I would try here first.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G88yLddD/two-Biqis.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G88yLddD)
The Biqi in the foreground has been iffy for a long time. I had it under shade cloth most of the summer because it seemed to develop these brown spots even though -- 2 miles from the ocean -- this is not exactly a hot spot. Took the shade cloth off in November but then put it on again when the spots got worse. Just took it off for the big rain this past week but I am so worried about its survival, I will probably take some of the still-healthy lower growth and graft it onto my many myrica ceriferas. Its very robust neighbor just behind it is actually a double graft (Biqi and Dong Kui) from Fang Liu on some myrica rootstock (not sure which). I would attribute my problems to the original group buy roots except that just 10' or so across the garden, another group buy Biqi is doing fine. Any idea what these spots are and what to do about them? All three trees receive the same water, light, in the same soil. The only thing I can think of is that this sad yang mei is in the same spot where an An Hai from a group buy died. I believe it had root knot but I did treat the soil heavily with the Monterey stuff before putting this guy in.
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Actually, now that I think about it, it's Fang's tree that is in the original An Ha spot. This sad Biqi has been in a virgin spot for at least a year.
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Ive always thought those spots were phytophthora.
https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/california-wax-myrtle-morella-californica-leaf-blight (https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/california-wax-myrtle-morella-californica-leaf-blight)
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Ive always thought those spots were phytophthora.
https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/california-wax-myrtle-morella-californica-leaf-blight (https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/california-wax-myrtle-morella-californica-leaf-blight)
Very interesting, I did not realize that phytophthora caused leaf diseases. The only thing that truly worked for phytophthera when we were growing blueberries was Aliette.
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Thanks for that link. In reading it carefully, however, I am not 100% certain this is phytopthora. For one thing, the splotching began when the weather was still so warm and sunny I had to shade the tree again, which at the time seemed to help somewhat. The splotching is also much worse on newer vs older leaves as you can see in this closer photo and seems to affect the outer leaves more than the inner ones. Plus there is definitely some chlorosis involved.
(https://i.postimg.cc/grNrHrKY/sad-Biqi.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grNrHrKY)
I did successfully treat phytophthora in a Stewart avocado with Serenade and also scraping away the mulch to dry out the roots so I could definitely try that on this poor Biqi, but I feel instinctively the problem is something else.
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Is it possible to hybridize myrica rubra with one of the temperate species like myrica pensylvanica ?
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Is it possible to hybridize myrica rubra with one of the temperate species like myrica pensylvanica ?
I've got both and that's what I'm intending to do. My grafted Yangmei is still a little small though.
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Sounds awesome, if my sources are correct the temperate species are hardy down to zone 3 and are deciduous? But the fruit is basically inedible.
Is it possible to hybridize myrica rubra with one of the temperate species like myrica pensylvanica ?
I've got both and that's what I'm intending to do. My grafted Yangmei is still a little small though.
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Here’s an update on my early Hermaphrodite blooms. They are just starting to open up the blooms and the blooms are opening from the bottom to the top. It’s still early but it appears these first buds that opened are “male” because I don’t see any stigma/pistils. My other female varieties are also blooming heavily.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qtNwFPXv/IMG-2162.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtNwFPXv)
Simon
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I also just found this bloom that looks very similar to my male Cerifera blooms. I’m guessing this is a male bloom because it definitely looks different than my female blooms from last year which had pistils.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FfVVPGRP/IMG-2163.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfVVPGRP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD9PR7zC/IMG-2166.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD9PR7zC)
Simon
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I chatted with vendor from China. I was informed that dong kui, black carbon, and crystal are Hermaphrodite. So, no male is needed.
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Hey Seng, those varieties will eventually produce some male pollen and you will get some fruit eventually but if you want fruit sooner and you want more fruit, it’s best to have a plant that produces pollen wether it’s a male or hermaphrodite plant.
Fang from the CRFG has a Dongkui from the very first group buy and his Dongkui did not produce fruit for many years. If I remember correctly, his tree did not start producing until he grafted a male onto it.
The grafted trees can start producing blooms when they are very small so you can be losing many years of production if you don’t have a dedicated pollen producer.
Simon
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Simon, I will ask the vendor to see if what ever happened to Fang case is a general tendency of just an off case.
In Fang case, was the tree not produced the male flower in the early years; or did not produce enough male flowers; or produced enough male flowers, but did not hold?
Also, the vendor is selling 1, 2, and 3 years grafted plants. I'm planing on getting the 3 years plants.
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Hey Seng, my grafted Dongkui bloomed last year but did not produce any male flowers, only female flowers. It is blooming again this year so I’ll check for male blooms once the buds open up. I probably will get fruit from some of my varieties but only because I have male blooms on my early hermaphrodite plant.
I believe Shane has a Biqi seedling that produced a few fruit (without a male plant/graft) after approximately 7-10 years, I don’t remember exactly but it’s a huge tree.
Simon
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It sounds like a need for male is essential then.
Thanks.
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I am new to this. Where can i find some starter trees or scions. i grow a lot of tropicals in zone 9b but didnt know about this fruit until today. i will keep reading this thread before i ask anymore stupid questions.
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Welcome to the forum junglerv. Nate from wildlandplants.com should have some male scions soon. Perhaps he will have some female scions as well so you should inquire.
Check out his website at https://www.wildlandsplants.com/
This forum occasionally has group buys to bring over trees from China. These trees are bare root, required by law, and are difficult to establish but is a much safer route than the illegally imported trees that come with soil and roots. There is a good chance that the plants with soil and roots are harboring nasty insects/ pests/ organisms that could potentially be devastating to your garden so please don’t consider these trees. If these trees are brought over, you could get a visit from the authorities.
Best thing to do is to purchase trees that are grafted onto rootstocks grown in the USA. These trees will be more expensive but the survival rate will be an order of magnitude higher than the legally imported bare root trees. I know people that purchased 20-30 of the bare root trees and every one of them died.
I know there are people that started grafting Yangmei onto USA grown rootstocks so hopefully the trees will show up for sale in the near future. For now, it would be a good idea to plant some rootstocks such as M Rubra, Cerifera, Californica and Pennsylvanica.
Simon
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Simon, Thank you for the warm welcome. Awesome advice for a newbie like me. I grow 75 varieties to mango trees in northern california, so hopefully i can contribute to the forum.
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Although I didn't get much of a response to my query about brown spots on my yang mei trees, I did want to update what I have since discovered. Apparently colletotrichum fructicola began turning up in yang mei trees in China a couple of years ago.
https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/epdf/10.1094/PDIS-10-21-2138-PDN (https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/epdf/10.1094/PDIS-10-21-2138-PDN). This is one of the fungi that causes anthracnose, a well known pathogen here. So following UC IPM guidelines, I will probably wait until the yard dries out from yesterday's rain and then prune out (and destroy!) the infected leaves. I am an organic grower so I have a choice between LiquiCop or Southern Ag's Garden Friendly fungicide. Since I already have the latter, I will use that to protect the unaffected leaves and keep my fingers crossed. There are heavier duty fungicides out there for those so inclined https://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7420.html (https://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7420.html)
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good info, thanks.
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Has anyone shopped at chinaglobalmall.com? It seems to be legit. There are lots of listings on yangmei trees dirt cheap.
https://www.chinaglobalmall.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=grafted%20bayberry%20tree
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Starting to get some germination on the seeds I picked up from Ryan earlier last year
(https://i.postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y/IMG-2535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y)
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Seedlings trucking along here. They will receive their first frosts this week!
(https://i.postimg.cc/DJf3TppY/3696-F53-A-AFEE-4718-92-CA-44-FFE5-CB387-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJf3TppY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PPChJcXg/7-EFC08-F3-F636-4-ADA-A858-B83460-AD3246.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPChJcXg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cgDy47V1/DC0-E14-EF-2-EDA-48-C3-888-A-DABBD8669998.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgDy47V1)
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Has anyone shopped at chinaglobalmall.com? It seems to be legit. There are lots of listings on yangmei trees dirt cheap.
https://www.chinaglobalmall.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=grafted%20bayberry%20tree
Hm... I'm very curious. Did you place an order? Do you know anything about this vendor?
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I don't think it is a single vendor. It is a market place like ebay, amazon, aliexpress, etc...
I have not ordered anything from it.
I did ordered some things else from aliexpress, and it is not bad.
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Nick C and K-Rimes, looking good on those seedlings! Once the seedlings get to about 5-6 inches tall, they start to grow very fast.
I have not tried ordering from chinaglobalmall but if they’re legit, it’s a bit of a hassle to get the permits and schedule the USDA inspections. Also, the bare root trees can be difficult to revive. Bill would probably be the most knowledgeable about legally importing trees from China and the price goes down when you order more trees.
Simon
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Starting to get some germination on the seeds I picked up from Ryan earlier last year
(https://i.postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y/IMG-2535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y)
Nice!
Ryan really has the good stuff…I’ll have to send him a message
All jokes aside, I think those came from Miguel, which were not cold stratified so that’s probably why they took a few months.
Anyone else who bought seeds from me can chime in?
Esp regarding the biqi ones. I heard some people had them sprouting in a matter of a few weeks.
Best,
Ryan
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Simon, I have been emailing APHIS reguarding permit. You can bring in up to 12 bare root plants mail directly to your house if the seller provides Phytosanitary Certificate.
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Hey Seng, that’s great info. From the previous group buys, the price goes down significantly if you purchase more trees. For bare root trees, I would recommend reading the through the previous group buy threads for information on how best to revive the trees and what to watch out for in regards to the potential of root knot nematodes.
Simon
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Starting to get some germination on the seeds I picked up from Ryan earlier last year
(https://i.postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y/IMG-2535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfQSjw9y)
Nice!
Ryan really has the good stuff…I’ll have to send him a message
All jokes aside, I think those came from Miguel, which were not cold stratified so that’s probably why they took a few months.
Anyone else who bought seeds from me can chime in?
Esp regarding the biqi ones. I heard some people had them sprouting in a matter of a few weeks.
Best,
Ryan
Yea I'm pretty sure these were from the Miguel batch, I hit them with a 30 day cold stratification back in the summer
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I officially have tons of male blooms and pollen from my hermaphrodite tree. I shook the branches and can see a ton of pollen flying off the plant. My females a a bit behind but with my hermaphrodite plant being so big, there are a bunch of branches with buds that are in much earlier stages of maturity that should sync up with my female varieties.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7G9mkYnG/IMG-2224.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7G9mkYnG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYkWLvN8/IMG-2226.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYkWLvN8)
Simon
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An Hai buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m/IMG-2190.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m)
White Honey
(https://i.postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N/IMG-2193.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N)
Big Black Carbon from Bills order
(https://i.postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7/IMG-2196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7)
Wandao
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn/IMG-2198.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn)
Dongkui
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc/IMG-2200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc)
Early Hard Hermaphrodite male blooms opening up
(https://i.postimg.cc/KKyC226f/2023-12-29-15-38-24-622.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKyC226f)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S/IMG-2222.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q/IMG-2224.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q)
Simon
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An Hai buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m/IMG-2190.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m)
White Honey
(https://i.postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N/IMG-2193.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N)
Big Black Carbon from Bills order
(https://i.postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7/IMG-2196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7)
Wandao
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn/IMG-2198.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn)
Dongkui
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc/IMG-2200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc)
Early Hard Hermaphrodite male blooms opening up
(https://i.postimg.cc/KKyC226f/2023-12-29-15-38-24-622.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKyC226f)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S/IMG-2222.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q/IMG-2224.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q)
Simon
Wow, Simon! You’re poppin’ over there! So many of us are dying to be in your position. Got it dialed in.
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Thanks RevivalROOts,
I killed many Yangmei plants before I finally got it dialed in. How are your trees doing? I’m sure there’s other members with trees that are getting big now. Once you get them onto healthy rootstocks, they grow like weeds.
Simon
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An Hai buds
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m/IMG-2190.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDzgmF1m)
White Honey
(https://i.postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N/IMG-2193.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xq8yqm5N)
Big Black Carbon from Bills order
(https://i.postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7/IMG-2196.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz7WmPz7)
Wandao
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn/IMG-2198.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rKML0Zn)
Dongkui
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc/IMG-2200.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyVG4Whc)
Early Hard Hermaphrodite male blooms opening up
(https://i.postimg.cc/KKyC226f/2023-12-29-15-38-24-622.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKyC226f)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S/IMG-2222.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYjvrN9S)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q/IMG-2224.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXmBhC4q)
Simon
I only have 2 Dongkui. I noticed that some of the rootstock is popping up on one of them. Should I let some rootstock grow in case it might be male rootstock? Or is it sufficient to have 2 Dongkui that are hermaphrodites and can pollinate each other?
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I would let one branch of the rootstock grow out in the hopes it is a male.There is a good chance your Dongkui will eventually fruit without a male but that can be many years down the road so you can potentially lose many years of fruit production without a male.
When you let the rootstock grow, be very careful that it doesn’t take over the tree. The rootstock sprouts seem to grow vigorously at the expense of the grafted portion of the tree.
Simon
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Ive got a couple grafted yangmeis from China that have healthy growth coming from the rootstock as well. I hate to just prune it without using it. I have a bunch of M Californica, Pennsylvanica, and Cerifera I may graft them onto. Curious if they tend to use one particular variety of yangmei for rootstock in China over others?
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Kankan,
Grafting some of your rootstock shoots onto those other rootstocks is a good idea. You could end up with a male or you could get lucky and get a seedling that produces good quality fruit.
I don’t know what they use in the commercial orchards in China but I assume it’s just random seeds. From doing research on other fruit crops however, I know that the rootstocks can affect growth rate, production and quality of the fruit. This doesn’t mean that it does the same for Yangmei but there is the possibility.
Simon
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First female blooms to open is the Big Black Carbon grafted onto Cerifera rootstock. You can see the pinkish red stigmas at the base of the buds.
(https://i.postimg.cc/T5T31CZK/IMG-2268.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5T31CZK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HcwLTfPG/IMG-2269.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcwLTfPG)
Simon
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Here is an update of my Early hermaphrodite. I didn’t realize how beautiful the bright reddish pink blooms looked against the dark green foliage.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBXTMdM3/IMG-2283.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBXTMdM3)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXxzsDNm/IMG-2285.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXxzsDNm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLVy3yHd/IMG-2302.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLVy3yHd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/2qcjnJd0/IMG-2312.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qcjnJd0)
Some pictures of the new foliage. The lighter color of the new leaves looks reminiscent of a flower.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LgzMQ0fK/IMG-2286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LgzMQ0fK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B8VsjFsy/IMG-2287.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8VsjFsy)
Here’s a more zoomed in picture of the female blooms/pistils on my Big Black Carbon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jw6bZFyV/IMG-2316.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jw6bZFyV)
When I saw the female pistils open on my Big Black Carbon, I immediately moved the pot next to my blooming hermaphrodite.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJP0tZzw/IMG-2315.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJP0tZzw)
Simon
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Oh boy, those are beautiful and so inspiring!
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I would like to echo ronke47's thoughts! Beautiful stuff there, simon_grow!
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FREE YANGMEI SCIONS. I had two suckers coming from the rootstock of my grafted Biqi so I decided to cut one so they don’t take too much energy from the graft. I cut the branch yesterday and would like to mail it today or tomorrow so it’s fresh. I don’t know if this sucker/scion(s) will turn out to be male or female as I haven’t had the test to determine that yet (if anyone needs to test their trees please let me know).
You would just need to pay shipping for small flat rate box which is $10.50
Here’s some pics-
Grafted Biqi from Kens order that suckers/scions come from
(https://i.postimg.cc/1429t6wq/E920-C81-C-C6-BE-41-E7-A10-E-63-B049-E7-B8-FD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1429t6wq)
Sucker for grafting
(https://i.postimg.cc/9rBwqJpk/60243-CDB-4062-4873-8-DC0-A33-CFE5-C3625.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rBwqJpk)
Simon, your trees are rocking man!!! Very inspiring. Way to go!
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Thanks everyone! Nate, your Biqi is looking great. I foresee Yangmei fruits at a future fruit tasting. I hope Weee will have more Yangmei fruit for sale this year. I’m so addicted to Yangmei and can’t wait for the day when we can pick fruit off our own trees.
Someone should jump on Nate’s scions. It’s good for practicing your grafting skills and you can get a male/female from it.
Simon
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How to tell if seedlings or mature tree is male/ female? My seedlings from Weeee sprouted.
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I got some that are sprouting now too. I don't think you can tell until they start budding up. I hope weee gets more in stock in summer so I can order more. How true to seed are they?
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I determined the sex of my seedling Yangmei trees by sending leaf samples to Marta Matvienko for testing. I’m not sure if she is still doing it and there is a minimum number of samples required. I forgot if it was 5 or 10. Seedling plants may or may not produce good quality fruit and commercial orchards use grafted trees to ensure quality of fruit and good production.
Simon
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My native/original YangMei is flowering now
(https://i.ibb.co/CW5wLxL/PXL-20240202-192057532.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d70fZnZ)
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Hey pinkturtle, nice blooms on your tree. I’m surprised it bloomed with so little leaves on the tree. I see lots of new vegetative growth as well so hopefully it will grow out a lot this year.
Simon
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An Hai blooms opening up
(https://i.postimg.cc/GBHRgrkf/IMG-2371.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GBHRgrkf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7ftw3fzz/IMG-2370.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7ftw3fzz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/V0YmRt4q/IMG-2373.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0YmRt4q)
Dongkui blooms
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nFSwt8X/IMG-2392.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nFSwt8X)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zL1MKrxW/IMG-2394.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zL1MKrxW)
Pollen from male blooms before the rains
(https://i.postimg.cc/R3DH2M2J/IMG-2377.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3DH2M2J)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hXCz7DDZ/IMG-2380.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hXCz7DDZ)
Simon
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My native/original YangMei is flowering now
(https://i.ibb.co/CW5wLxL/PXL-20240202-192057532.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d70fZnZ)
Pinkturtle-What makes it native? Is it grafted? Seedling? or M. Californica, Pennsylvanica, or Cerifera? My seedlings and grafted plants have been full sun without problem, I see you have a shadecloth, is that for thisplant? Maybe why theres so little mature vegetation?
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I think pinkturtle means it’s on original Rubra rootstock from the group buy.
Simon
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The tree is the original variety of YangMei. It can produce fruits but smaller than DongKui and not as sweet as other varieties, but the tree is a lot easier to grow than the other and the successful rate is higher. I might graft some other varieties to it.
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Anywhere in the US one can buy Yangmei trees? Tried group order, all died. Asked friends to buy in China as experiments, either dead on arrival or died after a few weeks. Don't quite trust international order.
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Anywhere in the US one can buy Yangmei trees? Tried group order, all died. Asked friends to buy in China as experiments, either dead on arrival or died after a few weeks. Don't quite trust international order.
There are many people who sell trees in the US, but most are imports.
Can graft your own trees with native rootstock.
That's what I've been doing now.
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RKN!?!
Sike! Some of that Frankia goodness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KR6hpJtQ/23728-A15-0342-420-D-8-AD3-49-C148-B8-D575.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KR6hpJtQ)
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Anywhere in the US one can buy Yangmei trees? Tried group order, all died. Asked friends to buy in China as experiments, either dead on arrival or died after a few weeks. Don't quite trust international order.
I just grafted a bunch of trees up and hope to have some available later this year. I'll also have seedlings for sale on my website, www.wildlandsplants.com. I'm based out of Santa Cruz, so just over the hill from ya.
Nate
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Fantastic seeing all the progress! Sooo jealous Simon, but you work hard for the plants so they better treat you right! Thinking next year flowers, maybe fruits, for us. Babying them now.
Biqi 1
(https://i.postimg.cc/NL7ZgQqh/temp-Image-Mm-Nh-Jx.avif) (https://postimg.cc/NL7ZgQqh)
Biqi 2
(https://i.postimg.cc/zV2tBBxQ/temp-Imagef-QEWYD.avif) (https://postimg.cc/zV2tBBxQ)
White Dong Kui
(https://i.postimg.cc/14JMCX1z/temp-Image-LY3-Ji-S.avif) (https://postimg.cc/14JMCX1z)
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Hey Rob,
Your plants look super healthy! Hopefully you will get some blooms next year. They should grow very fast in Florida.
RevivalROOts, that is awesome! I found the same thing on some of my Cerifera rootstocks.
My Hermaphrodite tree is going bonkers with Male blooms but these rain storms we get every other week is just washing away and soaking most the pollen which seems to be delaying any wind pollination.
I have multiple blooming hermaphrodite trees so I surrounded my grafted females with them in the hopes that there will be a better chance of wind pollination on the dryer days.
Here’s a couple shots of my Hermaphrodite’s male blooms.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sv7vmxGP/IMG-2523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sv7vmxGP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7bCCCmxW/IMG-2524.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bCCCmxW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Btdj2HbQ/IMG-2525.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Btdj2HbQ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/n9QM6cRJ/IMG-2528.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9QM6cRJ)
My Hermaphrodite is also still pushing new buds so hopefully the pollen will still be available when my later varieties open their blooms.
Hermaphrodite with some buds at various stages of growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/QV0Jk65k/IMG-2526.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QV0Jk65k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bsrH6Q9X/IMG-2529.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bsrH6Q9X)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8fPBgW86/IMG-2530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fPBgW86)
Simon
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I believe i have my first fruit set on my Big Black Carbon. I’ve been closely watching these blooms and as the pistil dried up, there is a round swelling at the base of the flower.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fV0PP4fh/IMG-2507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fV0PP4fh)
Simon
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Here’s the same picture with the supposed fruit circled.
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3MYkGZ9/IMG-2507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3MYkGZ9)
There are several of these on my tree so fingers crossed that these are fruit set and that they can make it to harvest.
My Dongkui, An Hai, White Honey and special variety from a friend are also blooming. Late Rice (Wandao) and Biqi are slightly behind.
Here’s my An Hai blooming like crazy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FdQ8XPsn/IMG-2513.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdQ8XPsn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sjd5Hf0D/IMG-2514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sjd5Hf0D)
(https://i.postimg.cc/D8YNwfwG/IMG-2516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8YNwfwG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/p5WSppjf/IMG-2517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5WSppjf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rKpbTRMc/IMG-2521.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKpbTRMc)
Simon
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Here’s the same picture with the supposed fruit circled.
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3MYkGZ9/IMG-2507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3MYkGZ9)
There are several of these on my tree so fingers crossed that these are fruit set and that they can make it to harvest.
My Dongkui, An Hai, White Honey and special variety from a friend are also blooming. Late Rice (Wandao) and Biqi are slightly behind.
Here’s my An Hai blooming like crazy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FdQ8XPsn/IMG-2513.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdQ8XPsn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sjd5Hf0D/IMG-2514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sjd5Hf0D)
(https://i.postimg.cc/D8YNwfwG/IMG-2516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8YNwfwG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/p5WSppjf/IMG-2517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5WSppjf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rKpbTRMc/IMG-2521.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKpbTRMc)
Simon
First fruit set!? That’s my dream. I’m putting my best tree in ground, wish me luck.
Can you list out which varieties you’re seeing hermies on?
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I haven’t seen male and female flowers on any of my plants yet. My Early Hermaphrodite is the only one that is supposed to produce both male and female blooms but so far I’ve only seen male blooms. According to the Chinese resellers/distributors from the group buys, Dongkui and several other varieties are supposed to set fruit on their own. A friend also contacted one of the sellers from a previous group buy and they sent a picture of Dongkui with both male and female blooms.
Simon
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Lots of flowers here too. I love the red. Can’t remember if male or female (I think female) but I’m still looking for healthy vegetative growth over fruit. Maybe next year I’ll graft on some scions of opposite sex but it’s fun to have it healthy and thriving!
(https://i.postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG/IMG-2201.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg/IMG-2204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg)
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Jeramyl, nice growth! Is that the same Biqi from me? Those are female blooms. Keep up the great growing!
Simon
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Same one Simon! I can’t wait to graft on at least a male scion or two.
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Lots of flowers here too. I love the red. Can’t remember if male or female (I think female) but I’m still looking for healthy vegetative growth over fruit. Maybe next year I’ll graft on some scions of opposite sex but it’s fun to have it healthy and thriving!
(https://i.postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG/IMG-2201.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg/IMG-2204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg)
Rad! What rootstock is it on? Thx
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Lots of flowers here too. I love the red. Can’t remember if male or female (I think female) but I’m still looking for healthy vegetative growth over fruit. Maybe next year I’ll graft on some scions of opposite sex but it’s fun to have it healthy and thriving!
(https://i.postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG/IMG-2201.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5H6yyvFG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg/IMG-2204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKkhTQhg)
Rad! What rootstock is it on? Thx
I grafted that one onto Cerifera rootstock.
Simon
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Just got some movement on some male scions on cerifera stock...
Once grown out, it will be going to a good friend :) :) :)
grafted last fall.
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Well I didn’t have time to post this, but I finally found a yangmei for cold climate people.
Took 9 f and 3 days below freezing with no leaf or branch die back whereas other ones either died or got leaf or branch die back.
It is a breakthrough and I’ve killed so many before this it’s hilarious.
This is cool as some yangmei survived but got set back but this one is alive and unstoppable.
I will get to work w propagation soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5HPj6c3p/IMG-9579.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HPj6c3p)
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Nice!
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Hey Shane,
How is your Biqi seedling doing? Have you found any male blooms on it yet?
Simon
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Mine is just starting to make some flowers. Looks like it will be 1-2 months before it really blooms.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6tzwQKV/20240221-130452.jpg)
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Mines look terrible. Not sure if it's the cold, Californica rootstock, or too much water.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB/IMG-5097.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB)
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Mine is just starting to make some flowers. Looks like it will be 1-2 months before it really blooms.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6tzwQKV/20240221-130452.jpg)
Hey Brad, looking good and healthy. Did you graft any males onto it yet?
Simon
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Mines look terrible. Not sure if it's the cold, Californica rootstock, or too much water.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB/IMG-5097.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB)
Hey Max, is your tree in the ground or in a pot? Besides the yellowing, I also see some burnt leaf tips towards the back of your picture. Did your trees have any close contact with the trees imported from China? I’ve noticed that the trees that were imported from China and had root knot nematodes tended to have yellow leaves like yours. I wonder if any cross contamination may have occurred with RKN infested trees?
Simon
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Simon, I never got a male piece to put on it. The plant got pretty big. It may not work that well to hang a male piece on it. I will probably need to chop it way back to get the new piece to grow.
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Mines look terrible. Not sure if it's the cold, Californica rootstock, or too much water.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB/IMG-5097.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB)
Hey Max, is your tree in the ground or in a pot? Besides the yellowing, I also see some burnt leaf tips towards the back of your picture. Did your trees have any close contact with the trees imported from China? I’ve noticed that the trees that were imported from China and had root knot nematodes tended to have yellow leaves like yours. I wonder if any cross contamination may have occurred with RKN infested trees?
Simon
Hi Simon, the trees are planted in the ground. It’s all grafted on Californica rootstock. The Scions are from China trees. I’m positively sure there’s no cross contamination with the RKN infested trees. Hopefully the trees will be better when Spring comes around. As for the burnt leaf tips, I think I threw down too much fertilizer pellets.
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I have a grafted tree with two varieties on it and one of them is yellowing out super hard while the other isnt.
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Simon, I never got a male piece to put on it. The plant got pretty big. It may not work that well to hang a male piece on it. I will probably need to chop it way back to get the new piece to grow.
Hey Brad, you can grab some scions from my Hermaphrodite next time you’re in the neighborhood. You could also stop by to collect some pollen if you want to try to get some fruit this year. I would actually recommend doing a high graft for male Yangmei scions grafted onto female varieties because these trees grow so fast and it would be beneficial to have a larger percentage of the tree remain the female variety.
Simon
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Mines look terrible. Not sure if it's the cold, Californica rootstock, or too much water.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB/IMG-5097.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB)
Hey Max, is your tree in the ground or in a pot? Besides the yellowing, I also see some burnt leaf tips towards the back of your picture. Did your trees have any close contact with the trees imported from China? I’ve noticed that the trees that were imported from China and had root knot nematodes tended to have yellow leaves like yours. I wonder if any cross contamination may have occurred with RKN infested trees?
Simon
Hi Simon, the trees are planted in the ground. It’s all grafted on Californica rootstock. The Scions are from China trees. I’m positively sure there’s no cross contamination with the RKN infested trees. Hopefully the trees will be better when Spring comes around. As for the burnt leaf tips, I think I threw down too much fertilizer pellets.
Hey Max,
I have noticed that some trees grafted onto Californica rootstock yellowed as it got colder. My Dongkui on Californica started yellowing a bit when I got frost and it seems to be recovering a bit now that the cold has passed and the sun is showing. I have other trees grafted onto Californica rootstock that didn’t yellow at all however.
Simon
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I have a grafted tree with two varieties on it and one of them is yellowing out super hard while the other isnt.
Hey Nate,
Did you check the graft union on both varieties? I’ve had this happen to some of my trees where I rushed my grafting and the union was kinda sloppy. I believe there was a bottleneck effect with the transport of nutrients due to incomplete union formation that caused the slower growth and yellow leaves on my tree.
Simon
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Mines look terrible. Not sure if it's the cold, Californica rootstock, or too much water.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB/IMG-5097.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLwvR7rB)
It looks like either not enough Nitrogen or root not getting enough air (water log or compact dirt).
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Seng, your probably right about roots not getting enough air. The soil is very mucky. I should clear the mulch out to let it dry out more.
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Seng, your probably right about roots not getting enough air. The soil is very mucky. I should clear the mulch out to let it dry out more.
Another way to get the oxygen in and dry out the soil is to use a stick to punch lots of holes in the ground.
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Some of my small plants...
(https://d55v7rs15ikf5.cloudfront.net/optimized/3X/7/3/7384486483d6cccbe78c4914f80c96bb694fe747_2_1035x1380.jpeg)
(https://d55v7rs15ikf5.cloudfront.net/optimized/3X/d/9/d9588cf0c95786236b15cf68c85f45c4031f3ff8_2_1035x1380.jpeg)
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So many of my trees die from the top down! Is there any prevention?
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So many of my trees die from the top down! Is there any prevention?
Are these the trees imported from China? Often times, it’s an issue with the roots. Best to graft the scions onto healthy rootstocks.
Simon
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Here’s an update on my Yangmei trees. Looks like my trees were able to set fruit despite the weekly rains. All the trees are still in bloom but they’re definitely slowing down in terms of blooms opening up, especially for the earlier varieties that started blooming first. The White honey and Wandao are the latest to open this year.
Here’s the fruit getting bigger on my Big Black Carbon
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YjrDc0z/IMG-2670.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YjrDc0z)
(https://i.postimg.cc/q6BYsxtd/IMG-2671.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6BYsxtd)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FdV8kBHZ/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdV8kBHZ)
Here’s White Honey with blooms, set fruit and new vegetative growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/mcss5qhY/IMG-2683.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcss5qhY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yg6zVZmW/IMG-2684.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yg6zVZmW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0Mt1rynn/IMG-2685.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Mt1rynn)
Here’s Dongkui with fruit set, notice the color of the fruit has reddish/purplish coloration
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nP4DJTW/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nP4DJTW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fJbWZ6zD/IMG-2676.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJbWZ6zD)
An Hai with very heavy fruit set
(https://i.postimg.cc/WqTw3xTw/IMG-2677.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WqTw3xTw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7CzRT88F/IMG-2679.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CzRT88F)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ppV3c6zj/IMG-2680.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ppV3c6zj)
And the worst part is that some of the fruit are so close to each other, I had to thin the fruit
(https://i.postimg.cc/sGPyPGFR/IMG-2692.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGPyPGFR)
I will probably end up thinning 50% of the fruit from An Hai since it appears there’s hundreds of fruit set. I’m not sure how much natural attrition there will be but I’d rather thin some fruit and get better quality since this is the first year fruiting and these trees are in pots.
Simon
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Lets see the progress of everybody's yangmei :)
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Looking good, Simon.
Hope you will have lots of fruits ripen.
Fruitfool
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Very nice Simon.........
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Just noticed that my Yangmei seedlings are popping their heads out of the dirt after a long winters nap. These were the seeds planted from the Weee! local order last July. I just buried them in a bunch of small pots, left them outside, and forgot about them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rq2y8bsn/IMG-3502.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Rq2y8bsn)
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Just noticed that my Yangmei seedlings are popping their heads out of the dirt after a long winters nap. These were the seeds planted from the Weee! local order last July. I just buried them in a bunch of small pots, left them outside, and forgot about them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Rq2y8bsn/IMG-3502.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Rq2y8bsn)
Which varieties are those? I only got the Purple Pearl in July and mine have been sprouted of the soil for probably over a month now. I thought the cold stratification would trigger them faster to pop up where you're at since marginally colder. I did basically same thing and paid no attention to mine. Here is mine from today:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7f5phrc6/20240319-131341.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7f5phrc6)
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I had purple pearl and the "giant" one they were selling as well, rats got a ton of them but they keep popping up. I should net a few seedlings. I have 4 or 5 seedlings out in the yard that are looking pretty good right now as well. I'll get some photos.
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I also purchased Purple Pearl and Eastern Giant, but didn’t bother labeling. This picture is after I moved to the greenhouse, but they spent all winter outdoors at the lower end of my property where the mornings are particularly cold. Even with the additional cold strat, it’s been a chilly March so perhaps that’s slowed down the germination. There are still a large number of seeds that are still sleeping.
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Nice Job Simon, your the Yangmei prince for sure, the magic touch for sure 8) Im another 5yrs. you'll be swamped in fruit ;)
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Forgot to mention I did get these fabulous yangmei scions, and I am excited to see if they work on this Californica. If they kill the plant again, I swear to god, I give up other than seedlings. This Californica has been in ground since around Sept or Oct last year and has been growing robust.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9wWLJ3dD/4-F9-EFCA6-A11-E-416-C-B606-FC51-C8924429.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9wWLJ3dD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/z352Jhsq/52-C4036-F-A4-A6-4-B62-BF4-B-1-FD55322-AE26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z352Jhsq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9g6QNTL/876374-B9-C025-412-B-8-B8-D-9-FCFC4-F06-E42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9g6QNTL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4n5LndGV/A222-A81-F-EE07-4-D66-B20-B-443443-AF8180.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4n5LndGV)
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Lets see the progress of everybody's yangmei :)
Here’s a couple pics of my Yangmei jungle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8jcHNWWy/IMG-2260.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jcHNWWy)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yWvPMnJg/IMG-2552.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWvPMnJg)
Thanks Fruitfool, pinkturtle and ScottR! It would be awesome to get some homegrown fruit this year.
I also planted seeds from my Weee order last Summer and some seeds are just starting to sprout. I just ignored them like everyone else and they sprouted on their own.
Simon
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Just dug up some seedlings to transplant them to a wider spacing. I had about 10 seedlings i planted at 6' apart, lost 3 but the 7 have been growing incredibly fast. After seeing people talk about them being huge i wanted to make my spacing more in line with the rest of my yangmei block, about 10' spacing. Not very many roots in the top 6-8" of soil and lots of large roots with fibrous roots coming straight down off the bottom of the plant. We'll see how they recover. Plants are about 2.5-3' tall. Was fun to do in terms of learning what their roots are like. Very little gopher activity around these lower roots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRNpjjvC/Screen-Shot-2024-03-27-at-5-46-13-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/kRNpjjvC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0bx36s9y/Screen-Shot-2024-03-27-at-5-46-27-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bx36s9y)
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Just dug up some seedlings to transplant them to a wider spacing. I had about 10 seedlings i planted at 6' apart, lost 3 but the 7 have been growing incredibly fast. After seeing people talk about them being huge i wanted to make my spacing more in line with the rest of my yangmei block, about 10' spacing. Not very many roots in the top 6-8" of soil and lots of large roots with fibrous roots coming straight down off the bottom of the plant. We'll see how they recover. Plants are about 2.5-3' tall. Was fun to do in terms of learning what their roots are like. Very little gopher activity around these lower roots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRNpjjvC/Screen-Shot-2024-03-27-at-5-46-13-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/kRNpjjvC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0bx36s9y/Screen-Shot-2024-03-27-at-5-46-27-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bx36s9y)
This is great! Thanks for sharing Nate! I never would have guessed their roots would look like that. Seems like they'd be really drought tolerant with roots like that. It will be interesting to hear how those do compared to grafted plants on other species.
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I received my yangmei's from China. They shipped with the soil, barerooted all of it & drenched with diluted hydrogen peroxide then rinsed with seaweed & placed on pot full of myco powder & drenched with seaweed.
Did not notice any knots after carefully inspecting the roots, the only way to find its clean is through a microscope.
Varieties are white crystal, dongkui, black carbon, black crystal & early beauty.
I had them for 2 weeks now. So far they doing fine outdoors.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QF9qDyfr/20240328-142332.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QF9qDyfr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QVfgT3P3/20240328-142344.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVfgT3P3)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJc383Wg/20240328-142507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJc383Wg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MMD7t2p1/20240328-143847.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMD7t2p1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/V5fBv6Kg/20240328-144343.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5fBv6Kg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KkF7nvxZ/20240328-155232.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KkF7nvxZ)
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gozp, where you bought it from? How much each? Thank.
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Here’s another update of my Yangmei. The weather is getting warmer and we are also getting more sunlight hours and I’m not sure if it’s the increased light, warmer temps, or a combination of both that is causing my blooms to convert to vegetative growth.
If it’s the heat that is causing the blooms to turn vegetative, the growers in warmer climates such as those growing in Hawaii or Southern Florida will have to ensure they get sufficient cold stimulus to get blooms and fruit set. Alternatively, they can look for varieties that may not require as much cold stimulus to trigger blooms.
My male tree still has blooms on it but there are very few male blooms left. The good news is that it appears this male produces enough blooms/pollen to pollinate the earlier and later blooming varieties. In April, there are very few blooms on my male and female plants, everything is definitely winding down in terms of blooms.
Here’s my Ann Hai on Californica rootstock. It is growing in a large pot and it set a ton of fruit. I stopped counting after 200. So far, I have not noticed any fruit drop.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8FC3JSft/IMG-2852.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FC3JSft)
(https://i.postimg.cc/34sbc0Sc/IMG-2857.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34sbc0Sc)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn938F3R/IMG-2861.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn938F3R)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyLJGkZn/IMG-2862.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyLJGkZn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKdNF60f/IMG-2863.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKdNF60f)
Here’s Dongkui on Californica rootstock
(https://i.postimg.cc/9zGhjcd7/IMG-2831.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zGhjcd7)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZC4hbXHD/IMG-2833.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZC4hbXHD)
White Honey on Cerifera
(https://i.postimg.cc/VrXLTnsS/IMG-2841.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrXLTnsS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jLMNZ0kp/IMG-2842.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLMNZ0kp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhXCcRFn/IMG-2843.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhXCcRFn)
Wandao
(https://i.postimg.cc/62HwFcJp/IMG-2835.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62HwFcJp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/crtZ5fDd/IMG-2836.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crtZ5fDd)
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Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/Cnj7zPhF/IMG-2865.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cnj7zPhF)
Special variety from a friend
(https://i.postimg.cc/sQCwsCzn/IMG-2867.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQCwsCzn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YLpRLNhY/IMG-2868.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLpRLNhY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nZB0GBy/IMG-2869.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nZB0GBy)
Male with blooms winding down
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(https://i.postimg.cc/nCKZJntW/IMG-2847.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nCKZJntW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/94gCn1jF/IMG-2848.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94gCn1jF)
Simon
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My young yangmei tree leaves are browning slowly one by one, and fell off, not many leaves left. Does anyone know what I can do to help?
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Yet another rubra on californica graft pushing, lets see if this tree dies like my others did. I have several other grafts on it that are older than this one, it has been maybe 3 weeks since I put these on. This tree is in a part shade area of my yard, and the last Californica that was growing nicely with "crystal" on it was full sun. Died from the yangmei graft downward till the Californica itself died. It is so frustrating.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CdV76xM4/5657-DEDA-5916-40-A7-AF7-A-F447-BCAFAA91.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdV76xM4)
Seedlings in various other parts of the yard, a few are looking quite good
(https://i.postimg.cc/Ln9T2Q1Y/11-A84-BE6-306-E-4-BCA-B12-B-3-DC2081-B8-CB5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ln9T2Q1Y)
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My young yangmei tree leaves are browning slowly one by one, and fell off, not many leaves left. Does anyone know what I can do to help?
Do you have a picture of your tree? Please give us some background. What rootstock is it on? Did you graft it? Is it imported from China?
Simon
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K-Rimes,
Looking good so far. Hopefully this one makes it. Did you leave any supporting leaves to keep the branches alive?
Simon
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K-Rimes,
Looking good so far. Hopefully this one makes it. Did you leave any supporting leaves to keep the branches alive?
Simon
I left a good amount of branches on a few parts of the tree. They are certainly growing way stronger than the grafts are, but I am willing to leave them be for awhile while the grafts get some weight to them. On the last californica that died on me, I removed all the lower growth once I had some weight on the crystal graft, but I suppose maybe not enough?
I'll leave some nurse branches on there for much longer this time.
I do think that this californica, being in part shade, will live a happier life than the last one.
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K-Rimes,
Looking good so far. Hopefully this one makes it. Did you leave any supporting leaves to keep the branches alive?
Simon
I left a good amount of branches on a few parts of the tree. They are certainly growing way stronger than the grafts are, but I am willing to leave them be for awhile while the grafts get some weight to them. On the last californica that died on me, I removed all the lower growth once I had some weight on the crystal graft, but I suppose maybe not enough?
I'll leave some nurse branches on there for much longer this time.
I do think that this californica, being in part shade, will live a happier life than the last one.
Are you experimenting on any other rootstocks? My grafted M. californica looks a little chlorotic compared to my pensylvanica plants. I'm growing out some cerifera to experiment with as well.
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Some of my Yangmei grafts on Californica had yellow leaves during the coldest part of Winter and they started turning green as the weather warmed.
Simon
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Are you experimenting on any other rootstocks?
Negative, just californica here.
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Here’s another update of my Yangmei. The weather is getting warmer and we are also getting more sunlight hours and I’m not sure if it’s the increased light, warmer temps, or a combination of both that is causing my blooms to convert to vegetative growth.
If it’s the heat that is causing the blooms to turn vegetative, the growers in warmer climates such as those growing in Hawaii or Southern Florida will have to ensure they get sufficient cold stimulus to get blooms and fruit set. Alternatively, they can look for varieties that may not require as much cold stimulus to trigger blooms.
My male tree still has blooms on it but there are very few male blooms left. The good news is that it appears this male produces enough blooms/pollen to pollinate the earlier and later blooming varieties. In April, there are very few blooms on my male and female plants, everything is definitely winding down in terms of blooms.
Here’s my Ann Hai on Californica rootstock. It is growing in a large pot and it set a ton of fruit. I stopped counting after 200. So far, I have not noticed any fruit drop.
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Here’s Dongkui on Californica rootstock
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White Honey on Cerifera
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Wandao
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fSJZsdDj/IMG-2838.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSJZsdDj)
Biqi
(https://i.postimg.cc/Cnj7zPhF/IMG-2865.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cnj7zPhF)
Special variety from a friend
(https://i.postimg.cc/sQCwsCzn/IMG-2867.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQCwsCzn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YLpRLNhY/IMG-2868.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLpRLNhY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nZB0GBy/IMG-2869.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nZB0GBy)
Male with blooms winding down
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Simon
Awesome work man...Congratulations are in order!!! Guess you don’t need to buy from Weee this year 8) Super cool to see those fruits on your trees!
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Thanks Nate!
I love Yangmei so much that I will still be ordering through Weee this year. I started thinning the fruit on some of the branches and I noticed that the fruit is covered in a type of resin that has a strong Yangmei/sandalwood smell. The smell makes me crave Yangmei so bad!
Since this is the first year I’ve fruited Yangmei, I don’t know how much natural fruit drop to expect from my potted trees. If my potted trees are able to hold a decent amount of fruit, I would guess that Yangmei will be a very coveted dooryard fruit tree for those gardeners that live in a climate suitable for growing this delicious fruit.
Simon
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A lot of the fruit are now marble size and I have not noticed any natural fruit drop yet. I was afraid to thin too much fruit but since it appears the trees are going to be holding most its fruit, I will have to do a heavy thinning this weekend. Check out how heavy the fruit set is.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5YnQzG14/IMG-2963.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YnQzG14)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1g0qmXjN/IMG-2965.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1g0qmXjN)
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Simon
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I had a dream last night that my Yangmei plants were loaded with fruit this year. I must have been thinking about Simon's plants!
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I had a dream last night that my Yangmei plants were loaded with fruit this year. I must have been thinking about Simon's plants!
I dream of awakening in Simon's garden at harvest time, and gorging on yangmei and other goodies.
Then, my dream turns into a nightmare, as Simon realizes I'm stealing his fruit...
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Any updates from east cost people? How are they doing for you?
Tbh I’ve stalled out with yangmei, but I hope to grow a few for me!🤓
Going to be grafting some more!
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I had a dream last night that my Yangmei plants were loaded with fruit this year. I must have been thinking about Simon's plants!
I’ve been dreaming about Yangmei for about the last three years so hopefully this is the year my dreams will come true :) There’s still plenty of time for me to screw things up and I’m especially worried because my trees are still in pots and these fruit are supposed to ripen in Summer.
I hope you and Rob will get to live your dream soon, maybe just not in my yard, lol!
I’d also love to hear how everyone else’s trees are doing from other states/climates. Yangmei can supposedly take pretty cold temperatures so hopefully members from other states can have success growing them in the cooler climates.
Simon
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Up potted my seedling plant. Currently flushing new growth
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That’s awesome Simon. I bet you are stoked
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Awesome job Simon! I purposefully didn’t graft on a male branch so my tree would have en extra year of growth without fruit set. It’s pushing a ton of new growth right now.
Looking at your fantastic photos though, makes me think I should graft a male branch on so it has all year to heal before next season. We still have “May Gray“ and “June gloom“ahead of us so I think I have at least 2 1/2 months for healing and growth before hot summer months.
My tree will definitely be ready to hold fruit next year and probably could’ve this year.
So many peoples dreams are about to start coming true with trees coming into production! It’s pretty amazing. Thank you for all your help as always, Simon.
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Up potted my seedling plant. Currently flushing new growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2RDrs2r/IMG-4042.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2RDrs2r)
Nick, your seedling looks very healthy, will you be putting it into the ground eventually?
Thanks Ben, yes I’m definitely super stoked!
Jeramy, I’d agree it’s probably time to put that male on there. If you graft it soon, hopefully it will produce pollen for you next year.
Simon
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Up potted my seedling plant. Currently flushing new growth
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2RDrs2r/IMG-4042.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2RDrs2r)
Nick, your seedling looks very healthy, will you be putting it into the ground eventually?
Thanks Ben, yes I’m definitely super stoked!
Jeramy, I’d agree it’s probably time to put that male on there. If you graft it soon, hopefully it will produce pollen for you next year.
Simon
Unfortunately going to stay container bound, gets too cold out here
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At least you know they do well in containers :) I have some fruiting in a #5 pot. The biggest problem I see is that they grow super fast and will eventually get too big to move around. With pruning, you should be able to keep them manageable.
Simon
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At least you know they do well in containers :) I have some fruiting in a #5 pot. The biggest problem I see is that they grow super fast and will eventually get too big to move around. With pruning, you should be able to keep them manageable.
Simon
Nothing I won’t already be used to, already have to move plenty of big trees in 30 gallon+ containers. Probably why I keep adding herniated discs every couple years haha
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Lets see the progress of everybody's yangmei :)
Here’s a couple pics of my Yangmei jungle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8jcHNWWy/IMG-2260.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jcHNWWy)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yWvPMnJg/IMG-2552.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWvPMnJg)
Pictures don't do your yangmei justice Simon...they are not just some of the most healthy yangmeis Ive seen but some of the most healthiest plants in general!
Thanks Fruitfool, pinkturtle and ScottR! It would be awesome to get some homegrown fruit this year.
I also planted seeds from my Weee order last Summer and some seeds are just starting to sprout. I just ignored them like everyone else and they sprouted on their own.
Simon
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Here’s the latest update on my male tree. The male tree started showing obviously differentiated bloom buds around November of last year per my reply # 674 on page 27 of this thread. Male buds started opening on 12/29/2023 per my reply # 686 on page 28 of this thread. Today, there are only a few male blooms remaining and all female buds are transitioning to vegetative growth. There are probably only about 10-20 small male blooms left on the male tree and they will likely release all their pollen within 1 week. This means that for this specific male I have, the bloom period at my location is approximately 4 months long with February and March as the main bloom/pollinating months.
Here’s a picture of a few of the remaining scraggly male blooms
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If everyone can track their location, variety and bloom times, we can build a database that can help us decide which varieties to pair up with each other. The data will also be important for commercial farmers that may want to extend the fruiting season by planting early and late season varieties and also getting earlier or later crops based on location/climate.
Simon
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The thinning has begun
(https://i.postimg.cc/62kJTy6s/IMG-2987.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62kJTy6s)
My plan on thinning is to remove fruit that are forming on large clusters on the same branch since these will likely bump into each other. I’m going to leave some branches with large clusters and thin some branches heavily to see what the difference is.
Simon
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And here’s what the inside looks like when you crack one in half
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From dream to reality… with so many dead Yangmei along the way! :o
This is great to see it all unfold. I think we’ll see these in nurseries in the years ahead and we’ll talk about these early days.
I’m enjoying following this and hats off to you Simon! I’ve personally decided both of your thumbs are green.
Those plants look great.
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From dream to reality… with so many dead Yangmei along the way! :o
This is great to see it all unfold. I think we’ll see these in nurseries in the years ahead and we’ll talk about these early days.
I’m enjoying following this and hats off to you Simon! I’ve personally decided both of your thumbs are green.
Those plants look great.
The thumbs are insured.
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Haha, I’ve killed a bunch of imported trees myself. I definitely see that these trees will be sold at the nurseries in the future. These trees are evergreen, look beautiful, will look even more beautiful with fruit hanging off them, and the fruit are absolutely delicious!
I was thinning more fruit this morning and found a few Siamese twin fruit
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(https://i.postimg.cc/BjnLWjtD/IMG-3002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjnLWjtD)
It should also be noted that Yangmei trees shouldn’t be planted near any other plants that require spraying of chemicals, especially non-organic chemicals because unlike many other fruit crops, Yangmei does not have an outer skin/peel so any chemicals sprayed in the vicinity of the developing fruit can easily cross contaminate the fruit.
Simon
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Selling my first round of Yangmei seedlings for the year. Think I've gotten the transplanting down as I have not had any seedling mortality. Woo, super stoked. Should have more in about a month.
https://www.wildlandsplants.com/shop/p/myrica-rubra-yangmei
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I’m starting to see natural fruit abscission. It appears that the last female blooms that got pollinated started to set the fruit and the tiny fruit got slightly bigger but the tree is starting to abort the smallest fruit on the tree. The aborted fruit starts turning brown from the top down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gX1S0NNv/IMG-2999.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gX1S0NNv)
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Simon