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Citrus General Discussion / Help identifying 2 citrus
« on: Today at 04:29:36 PM »
Looking for help identifying these 2 citrus. The first reminds me of sumo but I have a sumo tree and there is no green on the fruit right now and the bumps are more smooth than what is in the first photo. The second photo is marked US Seedless Surprise, which is a tangelo, and it may be correctly labeled (although wanting confirmation). Also, if it is US Seedless surprise when is harvest season in San Diego CA area?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Lingaro anyone?
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:41:30 PM »
I have a bastard oleaster that grows well in San Diego...tried the berry but it was too early so no opinions on fruit yet...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: February 03, 2024, 07:10:28 PM »
My native/original YangMei is flowering now

Pinkturtle-What makes it native? Is it grafted? Seedling? or M. Californica, Pennsylvanica, or Cerifera? My seedlings and grafted plants have been full sun without problem, I see you have a shadecloth, is that for thisplant? Maybe why theres so little mature vegetation?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who grows velvet tamarind?
« on: February 03, 2024, 04:50:57 PM »
I only have some very, very small seedlings of Dialium indum and one as of this week seedling of Dialium schlechteri finally popped up after many months. I haven't tasted them, but got the seeds on a whim. Glad I did if the fruit is that good--by description it sounds like something I like, which is why I snagged them.

Mind if I ask where you purchased the fruit?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WANTED Orange Flesh Guava seedling
« on: January 26, 2024, 07:50:17 PM »
I planted orange pulp guava seeds from seed hunter in the fall of 2021 and have a healthy guava tree now. I haven't got fruit from it yet but if it turns out like the picture they had up Ill be happy!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Any interesting grape varieties ?
« on: January 21, 2024, 07:23:44 PM »
I bought Japanese Goldfinger and Sapphire (aka Moondrop) from Twobears on Etsy. She said the Sapphire is grafted on 1103P rootstock, I couldnt see a definitive graft site but maybe it was a good graft(?) I can say they came in bareroot and appear alive (green under bark)...what variety they are...I can only hope they are what I ordered. Seller did seem knowledgeable regarding grapes for what thats worth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: January 18, 2024, 02:25:28 AM »
Ive got a couple grafted yangmeis from China that have healthy growth coming from the rootstock as well. I hate to just prune it without using it. I have a bunch of M Californica, Pennsylvanica, and Cerifera I may graft them onto. Curious if they tend to use one particular variety of yangmei for rootstock in China over others?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Scion Wood Depository
« on: January 13, 2024, 11:41:54 AM »
You know what they say...Build it and....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Champa Nursery: Where is my order??
« on: January 11, 2024, 09:15:41 PM »
That was me. Same issue, and to compound the frustration people would state they had no trouble getting through to them via phone everytime they called...I had tried many many times and just left voicemails that were never answered (and emails that never were responded to). This was a prepaid plant from months ago so Im not sure I would have been successful canceling the order with my credit card company. I ended up calling them from my wifes phone and got through to someone. I explained how ridiculous it was to spend the time I had to spend to talk with someone just to find out where my paid for plant (Cherilata as well) was. The man I spoke with explained that some numbers show up as spam and they get a lot of spam calls so no one answers them...Why no call backs or email response, I don't know but long story short, they sent my plant the next week and it arrived in good condition. I'd call them from a different phone number and see if you get through. Best of luck!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suruga Persimmon - Southwest Florida?
« on: January 09, 2024, 08:17:52 PM »
Ive got one in San Diego County and it seems to produce fruits-full size-that remain green then drop around jury is out in S CA, at least for me. Also, it doesnt seem to love the heat.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Whitewashing trees
« on: January 09, 2024, 12:05:18 AM »
Ill check it out. I definitely paint exposed bark on the mangoes. Curious what you use for paint? Watered down latex or the milk paint or something else?

Orkine-Karen Michelle seems like a good candidate although I would be surprised if anyone has experience growing and fruiting it in S CA. 1st I heard of it. Ill have to keep my eye on it.

Spaugh-Ill have to research Cotton Candy. Seems smaller and later season than ST but as long as it makes it before the cold Im all for extending my season. I have heard so many recommend planting out seedlings that I have a bunch (6+) seedlings planted out (OS and LZ seeds)...they're my insurance plan if the grafted mangoes just don't thrive!

I think Ive seen you post that before. OK...Sweet Tart it is!... although I do have a small tree of Sweet Tart already Id like to jump start this already slow process of growing fruit producing mango trees. Ill likely leave the one keitt already grafted and hope for extended warm fall-winters. If you have a second runner up I should be considering let me know and thank you, ST checks all the boxes and then some!

Yikes! That was the top contender too....hmm, thoughts on Pickering? any others (decent size and not late maturing)?

Thank you. I believe Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosigold, Saigon, and fairchild are all pretty small mangoes, no?

Of the others you recommended:
Rosa-Seems like a good size early mango. Any additional thoughts about this mango?
Angie-Yes, Ive considered this one but already have an Angie only tree
Ladys Choice-Is this a large mango? I read its fibrous but thats all I can find on it.

Would you recommend any on your list over Edward or Pickering? if so why?

Thanks again for taking the time to respond!

I know this kind of question exists in many places across the forum (I have even asked versions of it myself) but I have cut my large, 10+ year old mango tree down to prep it for top working later in the year to another variety (likely 1-3 varieties). Im not sure what the rootstock is but fruit were very small and fibrous. For now the main consideration I am wanting suggestions on are:

1. Looking for early ripening mango (I'm in Fallbrook, CA)
2. Large size fruit (I cant get into tiny mangoes!)

I realize those two attributes don't usually go hand in hand. So far I am leaning towards Edward (can be shy bearer), Pickering (not a vigorous grower), and Rosigold (fruit is smallish). In that order. I'm open to other considerations (i.e. doesn't need to be super early just don't want to be taking unripe mangoes off the tree in Dec-Jan because the cold will keep them from fully ripening).

The picture with the branch circled is a keitt graft that took from earlier last year. I am worried that keitt may not fully ripen here since its such a late season mango(?).

Thanks in advanced and my apoligies again to those of you who have already weighed in on similar questions from me.

Ive had leahcot for 2 years. It was moderately productive last year for its size but like I said fruit was awesome. Most sites state leahcot need 500 chill hours....Appreciate the recommendations, I have flavor grenade and agree, it tastes great! Ill have to look up splash pluot and beauty plum.

Maybe 200-400 chill hours on average.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Looking for scions of the following:
« on: January 01, 2024, 12:24:37 PM »
WTB Golden Nectar and mariposa plum scions and Fairtime peach scions. Have a long list of scions I can trade. Let me know....

Im looking for ideas of what to graft on Lovell and Saint Juliane A rootstock. I have a lot of different fruits I can graft on them but looking for recommendations. So far my favorite temperate fruits (that can be grafted onto plum rootstock) that Im growing in San Diego area are: Leahcot (tastes like a giant nectarine size, juicy apricot), Sweet Treat Pluerry (one of the latest harvesting really tasty plum type fruits, like Aug, sept harvest), Pluot Flavor Grenade (another late ripening plum like to harvest when all other plums are done). What do you recommend?


I wonder if nitrogen may be more beneficial in California then Florida, at least for younger trees. Because of cold nights in CA we tend to have the problem of young mango trees putting all their energy into flowering repeatedly at the expense of leaf and branch growth. Has anyone in CA used nitrogen to successfully push their young mango trees to put growth into leaf and branch and decrease flower growth?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 26, 2023, 11:05:35 PM »
I was thinking HoneyHart has a distinct fruit shape and appearance , often looking like a strawberry shape with more sugar apple looking skin .
But, I think overall Cherimoya is a fruit where 2 fruits hanging on the same tree can look completely different. Some with protuberances and some smooth on the same tree.
I do think there are characteristics that stick out to help narrow it down but ultimately there is a ton of cultivars,  and with lots of pollen making crosses ( my Inca Red is never red, pollinated by another cultivar) I think it's just an exercise but hard to be definitive .

That makes sense. Great insight regarding your Inca Red when pollinated by another cultivar.....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 26, 2023, 10:47:40 PM »
I took some pictures of some other named cultivars (the one with a ? is from the same tree as the original maybe Dr white?). Do any of these seem right...or wrong? No fruit on Honey Heart but leaves seem right.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 26, 2023, 11:34:00 AM »
It seems identifying cherimoya by its fruit is challenging at best. I haven't been able to find any type of identification chart based on fruit, leaves, ect. If you know of anything like that in existence please let me know, even the named grafted cherimoyas are in question at this point as nobody seems to agree on the identification (Im pretty sure of honey heart due to distinctive leaf size). Are there any definitive/absolute identifying characteristics of any cherimoya varieties?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 25, 2023, 12:23:52 AM »
It certainly responds well to hand pollination!

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