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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: simon_grow on November 27, 2020, 02:08:11 AM
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So my quest to find and grow the large fruiting giant H. Megalanthus(used to be S. Megalanthus) began about 11 years ago on my last trip to Hong Kong. There is a high end supermarket that sold melons for hundreds of dollars, strawberries for about $50 and a bunch of imported fruit from Australia and elsewhere.
Among the fruit were the largest Megalanthus fruit I have ever seen. I was growing the Pine island Nursery variety of Megalanthus at the time and the fruit were very good and sweet with a nice seed crunch but the fruit were tiny.
The fruit were very similar in size to Sugar dragon(S8) and some were even smaller. This giant Megalanthus I discovered in Hong Kong blew my mind and I posted pictures in the fruit forum but some people were still skeptical that a giant version of the Megalanthus existed.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8090.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8090.0)
Here’s the thread where I was seriously questioned about there being a real giant selection of S/H Megalanthus
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=26177.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=26177.0)
When I returned home to San Diego, I began my search for seeds and cuttings for the giant Megalanthus. In my quest, I discovered a research article that described how farmers in Ecuador and Peru had selected large fruiting versions of the Megalanthus.
In the article, it described several selections. Some of the selections had more fins, some had less fins. Some fruit were more elongated and others were very round. There was even a selection that had fewer spines.
I asked around and discovered that my friend Leo Manuel had acquired some seeds of a supposedly giant fruiting Megalanthus from another friend. Leo gave me those seeds and I grew those out.
Not knowing if I had the true giant, I continued my search and was able to get my hands on seeds of giant fruiting varieties from Ecuador and Peru. The people that sent me the seeds had pictures of the giant fruit the seeds came from so I knew they were the real deal.
Keep in mind that back about 11 years ago, the giant Megalanthus that we now know as Palora or giant Palora was not available in the United States like they are now. Nowadays, you can go to just about any Asian supermarket and find the giant Megalanthus.
Anyways, to make a long story longer, I planted all these seeds from Leo Manuel, Ecuador and Peru. The seeds sprouted easily but the seedlings grew at a snails pace. With my neglect, they only grew a few inches the first year.
I then began researching on how to graft Dragonfruit and found an article that described how some farmers were grafting Megalanthus onto Undatus in order to get more vigorous plants.
For those that aren’t aware, Megalanthus is considered to be a slower grower.
Around that time, I lost interest in the giant Megalanthus because my brain got distracted with double rootstock technology, especially in regard to how it could benefit Mangos.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16549.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16549.0)
I gave most of my seedlings away and around this time, I met one of my best friends, Brad(Spaugh).
We were both into growing various tropical fruits and he invited me over to his, then, small orchard. He had a few avocado trees and a few citrus and two guavas and maybe a few other fruit trees.
Brad had read some of my posts on the Tropicalfruit forum and when I stopped over to his property the first time, I brought him some Dragonfruit and Cherimoya fruit.
Brad immediately got hooked so I shared my cuttings with him and he also started his own quest to acquire additional Dragonfruit varieties.
I gave Brad one of each of my giant Megalanthus seedlings and Brad also acquired cuttings of supposed giant Paloras from other friends.
About three years ago, we found some YouTube videos regarding how to graft Dragonfruit. I’m sure some of those videos were from Richard(Thanks Richard). At this time, the giant Palora fruit started popping up all around SoCal. We noticed that some of the fruit still had little nubs of the Dragonfruit vine so we decided to try our hand at grafting them. Aside from the seedlings, we were also able to graft the commercially available giant Palora onto Undatus rootstock.
Fast forward to the present and this year is the first year our giant produced flowers and fruit. The fruit is not fully ripe yet, they’re still green, but they already reached the size of the commercially available giant Megalanthus from the supermarkets so we definitely have a verified giant Megalanthus.
It’s been a long road but I’m Glad we are finally to grow out a few of these giants. I’ll update everyone once these fruit turn yellow and fully ripen.
Here is a current picture of the fruit taken today. All this would not have been possible without Brad’s gardening skills and his love of Dragonfruit.
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Simon
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(https://i.postimg.cc/3kx413LD/aaaaa-big-yellow-dragon.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3kx413LD)
Welcome to the club and you inspired me to walk outside and take a snap. They fruit so fast from seeds or cuttings. From a few seeds I received from Jim West a few years ago there are plenty around the ridges fruiting away now.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tZYKyvXg/aaaaaaaaaaa-dragon.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZYKyvXg)
Look how young and spindly it is and storm last night brought down a papaya in the background.
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A chum has them pumping out fruit for a few years now
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I can’t remember now where the seed was from but 2nd year fruit for a giant yellow seedling. The vine is still small so I bet they will get bigger
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Congrats Simon! That is so exciting!
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Good job Simon. Yes yes I was skeptical, yes yes you were right. In my defense here is a Bruni fruit that got way bigger than it's supposed to, I believe due to the Selenicereus grandiflorus pollen I used (still kicking myself for not letting it ripen even longer).
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Y35qcGt/IMG-20181006-085427839-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Y35qcGt)
IMO palora is another closely-related species or at least a hybrid, with less of the waxy skin of megalanthus, and hardier. This guy Paco has some as well https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8O3ilGyULRbKyIv4VcTw_g/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8O3ilGyULRbKyIv4VcTw_g/videos) My biggest seedling, ready for a trellis next year:
(https://i.postimg.cc/grDTzQg4/IMG-20201106-165246139.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grDTzQg4)
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Great updates everyone! There was one member, Sagan, that has been fruiting the giant for many years already. There is a post on this forum but the pics are so old that the pictures are gone.
Brad has three different selections growing on one post and we will try to observe any phenotypic variations. I wonder which selection will have the largest fruit. Now that we know we have a giant, Brad and I may be doing a few crosses.
Frankies Red is one of the most popular Megalanthus crosses but I am inclined to believe that it was crossed using the smaller fruiting Megalanthus based on the timeframe of its selection.
For those that have not tried Frankies Red, it is an excellent fruit. My only issue with it is the small size. With this new genetics, perhaps we can create another Megalanthus hybrid with excellent taste but bigger size. We know that on well cared for vines, Frankies Red can get up to 12 oz but it would be great if all the fruit can reach this size or larger.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21628.msg263753#msg263753 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21628.msg263753#msg263753)
Here’s some more info on Frankies Red
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12732.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12732.0)
Dragonfruit is a huge cash crop around the world but I love the fruit just because it tastes so delicious. I’ve heard over and over before from my friends and coworkers that they don’t like Dragonfruit and Ive been able to change their minds by giving them a taste of some of the varieties I grow.
Many people are turned off of Dragonfruit because their first experience has been with the commercially available red skinned, white fleshed fruit from Vietnam that is usually comparable in taste to water or cucumber.
Dragonfruit is a fruit that even us backyard gardeners can play around with in terms of breeding. The giant Megalanthus is a Fall flowering, Winter ripening fruit that significantly extends the Dragonfruit season.
I’ve mentioned this before but I’ve been able to get year round Dragonfruit by growing the regular red/purple fleshed varieties for the main season, Frankies Red for the Fall season and Megalanthus for the Winter season.
Both Frankies Red and Megalanthus can hold onto ripe fruit for extended periods of time. I not talking a couple weeks, I mean 2-3 months. The skin begins to look bad after a couple months in Winter but the interior is still perfect.
Not all locations can get year round fruit. I get light frosts which the FR and Megalanthus can survive but if you get a freeze, your plant is not likely to survive.
Simon
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The selection from Jim West seems to max out at about 400g
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I got a cutting from a friend that is supposed to be "giant palora"over 1lb. We'll see, probably another 1-2 years. I did make copies and Simon and I both have that one growing. If its really that big, Ill send a piece to Oz.
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Today we harvested a palora seedling fruit. It was 372 grams. Its very sweet like a store fruit, the brix was around 18 to 20. It can be higher if this fruit came earlier in the year, its cold here now so I picked one early to try since its not ripening quickly now. They will come earlier next season, it just hit maturity and flowered late this year. Theres still a couple paloras and also a Peruvian seedling on the plants.
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These are pics from south America not my own photos.
To show the different yellow types
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Peruvian churuja
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Brad, those different Megalanthus selections are awesome. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Simon
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Those are pics from a video you posted. I took screenshots from the video.
We have the peruvian churuja, palora, columbiana plants and a few other unknowns that haven't fruited yet.
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May be taking a trip to Colombia next month so I’ll post if I find anything interesting there. It seems the yellows are pretty common down there
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One of my favorite fruit. I have a few from seeds that are growing well but I ate a delicious one from a specialty store last year. It had a stub of a vine on it. Cut it out and potted it. Now there’s a two foot long section growing from it.
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Hey Simon, Happy New Year. Here’s a pic taken today of my Peruvian Mega I got from Brad that’s fruiting. It grew and fruited pretty quick, planted the cutting in July 2019. Can’t wait to try this one. I’m stoked you went to Hong Kong all those years ago ;)
Cheers,
Nate
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Thanks for the great pix and info Spaugh. Mine is definately Ecuador
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Yeah, Hong Kong is awesome, I can’t wait to go back, hopefully around Lychee season during an “ on year” for No Mai Tsze.
Next on the list to fruit is the Giant Palora. Hopefully it will give even bigger fruits. The Giant Palora may be good to use for breeding new selections.
Simon
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My first one was on a 1 year old plant and was around 200g. The taste was similar to the standard small yellow with less lemonade going on and the flesh was fairly soft. The spines brushed off very easily.
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How do you tell when it’s ready to pick? Mine is starting to yellow up. Figured it woulda stayed green and not ripened up until it warmed up but it looks like it has other plans.
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Btw thank you Simon for bringing these into radar!
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Nate, I just wait until they turn 80-100% yellow. I use a brush to remove the spines before cutting it off the vine. Nice looking fruit Nate!
Simon
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My one has another flower and its first fruit was very nice. They fruit at a small size and quickly.
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This peruvian fruit has kind of stalled due to cold weather here but it is finally starting to yellow out. Looks quite a bit bigger than the homgrown paloras which were 375grams. This one looks like it will be around 500grams.
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Nice, that one looks really good sized. I wonder if the Giant Palora will be even bigger?
Simon
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All these people with giant yellows, meanwhile me with a small 5 inch yellow store bought seedling...
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I need to graft Palora onto my Colombian yellow. The fruit finally ripened in January, two months after turning yellow, but they are tiny. Two spoonfuls of pulp.
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yeah I am removing the columbian yellow and using the peru plant. Im going to graft a bunch of peruvian cuttings onto some other rootstocks because these meglanthus seem to have weak roots. they always look thirsty even when well watered. ill make a bunch of them and save you one Val.
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All these people with giant yellows, meanwhile me with a small 5 inch yellow store bought seedling...
Your seedling fruits are 5 inches long? That's pretty awesome!
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All these people with giant yellows, meanwhile me with a small 5 inch yellow store bought seedling...
Your seedling fruits are 5 inches long? That's pretty awesome!
Should’ve clarified it... the seedling is 5 inches long....
I keep saying things and then it sound better than it seems :P
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I’m getting a summer crop this year, but the size is down and I imagine fruiting twice will make the main crop smaller. The vine is just forming buds for the winter crop now. If I had been on my game I should have tried to hybridise giant yellow with Aztec gem or sugar dragon.
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Nate, I just wait until they turn 80-100% yellow. I use a brush to remove the spines before cutting it off the vine. Nice looking fruit Nate!
Simon
Thanks Simon! I harvested the fruit last night, I was hoping the recent heat would pump a little extra sugar into it. I got a brix of 20.4 and the whole family really enjoyed the fruit, this was the first DF I’ve fruited so I’m looking forward to the flavor complexity of the purple ones as this one was a sugar bomb with no acid/complexity. Happy Spring.
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Nate, I just wait until they turn 80-100% yellow. I use a brush to remove the spines before cutting it off the vine. Nice looking fruit Nate!
Simon
Thanks Simon! I harvested the fruit last night, I was hoping the recent heat would pump a little extra sugar into it. I got a brix of 20.4 and the whole family really enjoyed the fruit, this was the first DF I’ve fruited so I’m looking forward to the flavor complexity of the purple ones as this one was a sugar bomb with no acid/complexity. Happy Spring.
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Nice, I've been waiting to cut mine also. It looks like it should be over 500 grams. These are quite a bit bigger than palora.
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i got tired of waiting for this thing to yellow up and cut it. It had been there since October or November. It weighs just over 1 lb.
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I thought it was pretty good and sent the pic to a friend. She proceeded to burst my bubble and tell me her store bought palora is 700g. Maybe we will get ours bigger in coming years, the plant is still small and I've also started grafting this one onto better rootstocks.
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Went to a friend's place yesterday and he has been getting good crops of Ecuador yellows for a few years and this is a fairly typical one.
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i got a cutting from Brad's Peruvian Yellow mid-2019, and after about 2 years it's trying to flower for the first time! I'm hoping the fruit will set while there is still some warm weather so maybe it ripens quicker, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Could be fun to pick a fruit in February while it's cold and (hopefully) raining.
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I wasn't sure how it would handle the cooler Bay Area climate, but it's doing surprisingly well. I realized it doesn't like cold + wet, so I bring it onto our porch (outside but protected from rain) in the winter and it does just fine. It definitely slows down for several months from ~November through ~March though.
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I stopped by Brads place today and some of the giant Megalanthus seedlings I brought over a while back are starting to hold some giant fruit.
This fruit looks like it’ll be a pound or more
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Simon
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Current fruit from Brad's cutting received some years back:
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Nice Thera!
I got rid of my smaller Megalanthus and I’m growing the giant one now. The great thing about these fruit is that they ripen so late in the year. It’s this variety, Frankies Red and the regular DF varieties, I’ve been able to have DF year round.
Simon
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I have some yellows but haven’t got heat enough for flowers , while voodoo child and american beauty fruit in the summer for me.
I have a giant yellow from Federico growing and it is much spinier and dainty than my other yellow.
Many smaller flexible spines. Have you guy’s fruited Federico’s selection or one like this ? Mines just labeled “giant yellow megalanthus”
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I grew out so many different seedlings that I lost track. We were probably growing out at least ten different selections of the giant type Megalanthus and their branches do have morphological differences but the quality of their fruit is very similar.
I don’t believe we have Federico’s selection but I’m pretty happy with what we selected.
Simon
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The plants always look a bit ragged. I dont think these megalanthus like the dry weather here. But they do make fruit and the fruit are really sweet. I cant tell the difference between store ones. Its also fully self fruiting, i did not hand pollinate these at all and almost all flowers set fruit.
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I also have 5 megalanthus seedlings grafted onto and regular unknown undatus. They grew ferociously past summer and hopefully this year they get to the top of the post and start having some hanging branches.
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A couple of pictures of a fruit over 600 gr from my seedling which I call Pal #3, first year of production (it comes from a seed of a Palora sowed in the spring of 2019). The plant is still young and barely branched, just 3 stems but the main one is about 3 meters long (this variety grows fast on its own roots). It's starting now to push new growth so I expect to get this size in the fruit again, maybe even bigger with proper thinning. It gave me 3 fruits this year (ripening took 7 months here).
I also have the original Palora from a couple of grafts I did from the fruit I bought in the supermarket and the original one is also growing really fast here (on undatus roostock in this case). We'll see how Pal 3 performs compared to Palora this year. I gonna plant also cuttings of both (and of another seedling, a sister of Pal 3) side by side to keep comparing.
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A fast question: are all megalanthus strains self fruitfull ?
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Pay attention to the flower, especially when is closing again, if the stigma gets widely in contact with the anthers as the flower closes back then there is a good chance for the variety to be able to set flowers without hand pollination, all megalanthus cvs as far as I know are at least self-fertile.
For example I suspect that the Pal 3 giant megalanthus that I posted today earlier will set fruit on its own (the flowers are as I described) but I hand pollinated the 3 fruits to ensure the crop and see the kind of fruit it produces (and also because I'm using this cv as a parental to make crosses and get new varieties with big size for the autumn-winter season).
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A fast question: are all megalanthus strains self fruitfull ?
Yes, I never pollinate any of mine and they set almost every fruit.
I have to admit though, Im not really liking these that much. They kind of lack flavor compared to purple DF and the thorns suck. Im getting nice bigs ones but just dont like them that much. The thorns are a real pain.
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Nice to hear that they are self fruitfull, my plants are young still but at least i wont worry about them fruiting, my regular undatuses i am not sure even if i get flowers that they will set fruit....i,ll try my best to cross the two, only if they flower at the same time though.