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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya in FL anecdote
« on: September 24, 2022, 08:08:02 AM »
Nice work Joe.
I've noticed the same thing on my RH3, it looks like your true cherimoya made it further though.
Looking forward to that cross

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting June Plum
« on: September 19, 2022, 11:46:20 AM »
Spondias dulcis wildly grown in south florida, I don't think you should have a problem with it.
You can mound it up if you are worried about flooding

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree - Worth it?
« on: September 18, 2022, 08:44:51 AM »
You can use most of the common tropical fruit trees for this purpose.
Just don't get a dwarf varieties.

Mango, Jackfruit, and avocado should all be pretty easy.
I would consider mammea americana or starapple, they are pretty trees and the fruit don't make a huge mess.

I'm doing the same in front of my western-facing windows, I try to keep the canopy level with my roof, I don't let the branches hang over though.

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Picked the last mangos, got atemoyas, persimmons and starfruit left.
Hoping for some more plinias and Garcinia in a a month or 2

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride ?
« on: September 10, 2022, 06:08:31 PM »
I thought the original Australian description for African Pride might be of interest to several people on this thread. I have included it word for word below. Please note that I was not able to include the picture plate mentiond because this is hand typed. However, it looks strikingly similar to the top picture posted by Skahn. Also, (for those who do not already know) Atemoyas are called Custard Apples in Australia and ripening times will be approximately 6 months off of Florida due to being in opposite hemispheres. Also of interest is that the description for Pink's Mammoth in the same book call it "knobby" while Gefner is described as "pointed."

"African Pride was promoted in Queensland in the 1950s by Langbecker's nursery, Bundaberg. It is said to have been introduced from South Africa, but may have originated in Israel as the cultivar Kaller.

The fruit is heart-shaped or conical, small to moderate size and usually contains more seeds in relation to flesh than Pink's Mammoth. The medium-thickness skin is smoother than Pink's Mammoth and bears a series of concave, U-shaped areas like thumb-print impressions with small protuberances (areoles) (plate 2). Skin appearence can vary even between fruit on the same tree. Some fruit can have small, pointed skin segments. This variation in skin appearence could be related to tree vigour.

African Pride produces significant yields in the third year after planting. Harvesting begins in early April in the Nambour district.

Aftican Pride is a reliable cropper but a large percentage of fruit can be small in a heavy crop. Fruit size can be improved by thinning and pruning. For details, see the section on pruning.

The fruit of African Pride is considered more presentable than that of Pink's Mammoth and is easier to pack. It can be presented in single-layer trays. The tree does not exhibit the strong terminal growth of Pink's Mammoth and so is more compact.

African Pride's early consistent bearing behavior makes it the easiest and most profitable cultivar to grow in all districts of Queensland suitable for custard apples. However, it must be managed carefully to produce fruit of good size.

African Pride is the most convenient cultivar for home gardeners, because it begins fruiting only two or three years after planting, and is a smaller tree than Pink's Mammoth."

Excerpt from p.4 of
Growing Custard Apples
G.M. Sanewski
Department of Primary Industries
Queensland Government
Brisbane 1988

Thanks for digging that up.
The main reason I don't like the one that I think is AP is because of all the seeds.
The flavor is more cherimoya then the rest I ate so far.
This description makes me a little more certain what I have is AP

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu finally producing
« on: September 10, 2022, 11:10:42 AM »
You guys are crazy abiu is TOP notch fruit I rate it right up there with some of the heavy weights.  They do not need cross pollination to produce but yes they can flower heavily and have the flowers fall off a few times, I have one Z4 seedling (NOT GRAFTED) that produced its first fruits at 14 months in the ground and the fruit was incredible as good as any I have tasted and that includes the grafted stuff I tasted at Australians premier tropical fruit farm.  I have all seedlings mostly Z4 seedlings and E4 seedling that is still too little to produce but I rate these trees as some of my most prized.  The Z4 seedling also bears prolifically almost at the level of myer lemon, mine is currently loaded with baby fruits, seems they basically fruit all year with short periods in between mature fruits and flowering again. Heavy rain doesnt seem to have any impact on flowering they produce no matter what the weather is doing.

Maybe over there in Florida your soils are not suitable to produce the best tastes? We are on fairly Acid clay here high nutrient content and they are very happy trees.

We are on the opposite extreme with soil. Low nutrient, sand with a lot of limestone and high ph.
I have mine on a fertigation system and I apply sulfur.
So far it seems to be working

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 10, 2022, 09:19:48 AM »
I picked out all the kietts yesterday. To much squirrel damage
My friend no longer has Keitts left on his tree.

 ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride ?
« on: September 10, 2022, 08:50:49 AM »
These are from a what was supposed to be arka sahan but I believe they are likely AP. (If any one wants to ID them it would be appreciated)

To make matters even more confusing.
If you look at previous threads the AP they have in CA looks a good bit different then what they are growing in AU. The general shape seems the same but the AU one is even flatter.





I'm probably going to top work this tree to something else.
I never had a bad gefner or Lisa.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 10, 2022, 08:28:40 AM »
I picked out all the kietts yesterday. To much squirrel damage

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride ?
« on: September 10, 2022, 08:27:34 AM »
What do you think it is?

It was sold to me as a Tim by fruitscapes.
Last year a forum member asked Fruitscapes and they said the Tims
were actually African Prides. Is it a Tim for real? I can call them and
ask them about the Tims they sold but I think there was allot of confusion
already surrounding the Tim. I appreciate the feedback!

I wonder if it could be tropic sun. PPC makes sense too.
Let us know if you find out anything from fruit scapes

I find IDing atemoyas pretty hard since they don't always have the same shape.
I guess the real question is how does it taste?

My mystery atemoya taste good, but it has more seeds than I would like. So far calostro and tropic sun have been the best that I have

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A lot of it is a preference for sure.
With these extra flavorful varieties, it takes some experience to know when to pick them and when to eat them
It gets even harder when they stay the same color the whole time.
Thats one of the reasons why it would be hard to commercialize a lot of these new ZHPP mangos.

For example
Sugarloaf was a newer one for me this year, i probably pick half my crop (5) too early and another 4 too late.
What i learned is that you need to pick it before you see any yellow on the nose.
I'm still learning when the best time to eat it, staying green all the time makes it hard to tell

Zinc and its relatives tend to be better when picked mature green however, they last a long time on the counter.
You can easily leave them there for too long and end up with a flat-tasting mango or even overripe.

Neelam is similar to the Zinc relatives in that you need to pick them mature green but its pretty forgiving if you pick it too early.

Cac is one of the easier ones, its hard to go wrong. I notice the fruits start to look a little dirty when its prime.
Its a commercial crop for a reason

All of the above are based off my trees in South Florida so yours maybe different.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride
« on: September 08, 2022, 07:05:59 PM »
I'm no expert on IDing these but judging by the non symmetrical shape and size I would say it's in the pink mammoth line of atemoyas

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu finally producing
« on: September 08, 2022, 07:03:48 PM »
Second crop on the tree this year.
The biggest ones are 12 oz.
I may start selling these if I end up with more next year.
If anyone in the area wants to try them feel free to reach out




I gotta say that the fruits off your tree are of superior quality. The ones I had before were not that good.
This one is nice!

Glad to hear you enjoyed them.
They came from PR, my friend had this tree growing for a while and when it was too big for the pot I planted it out.
It's my understanding that a lot of the good AU types made their way to PR. So it may be that this one could share some of the genetics

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu finally producing
« on: September 08, 2022, 06:50:05 PM »
Second crop on the tree this year.
The biggest ones are 12 oz.
I may start selling these if I end up with more next year.
If anyone in the area wants to try them feel free to reach out





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 04, 2022, 08:45:34 AM »
Breadfruit grows pretty well down here at this point.
The occasional cold spell trims it for you.
Just plant it in a more protected spot.

Green jack fruit can be used as a vegetable in addition to the seeds

Avocado (you can pretty much get this year around here)
Akee

I would also consider something like mamey,
It's a pretty filling fruit

Maybe malabar chestnut

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mangos from India Grown in Florida?
« on: September 03, 2022, 07:09:46 PM »
Is it true that Malika mango has to be picked at the right time or they will taste really bad?

I can taste really good but it's tricky to know when to pick it.
When it ripens on the tree it tends to do so unevenly like it's parent Neelam.
We used to have a tree but it wasn't worth the yard space. Id plant it if I had an acre though

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If anyone nearby wants some budwood.
I have few extra White Pirie and I'm going to trim some branches off my Peach Cobbler.
I'm in Coral Springs FL
Today only (9/3/22)

PM,
if you have my number already call are text

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mangos from India Grown in Florida?
« on: September 02, 2022, 05:42:54 PM »
I've read that many Indian mangos don't reach their full flavor potential in Florida or produce well and consistently due to our different climate.  So which varieties are best when grown in Florida?  I don't want to eliminate USDA Himsagar even though it's probably not the Himsagar actually grown in India because I tasted it this summer, and it was very good.  A big plus would be if the tree were compact and dwarfish.  I apologize if some version of this topic has been covered before, but as we've had more experience with Indian mangos in the last few years, I think it's worthwhile to find out what the consensus might be.

In South Florida Neelam and Kesar grow pretty problem free.
I really like Neelam, it holds up well enough against the new Zill varieties considering its season.
Son Pari seems pretty good, though the tree at my father's house is still relatively young. Also, its not that widely grown to really make it one I'd recommend.
Malika was on the curator's list but has seemed to fall out of favor recently, MBBS maybe?
I'm growing Bennet Alphonso and Ambika as a test (Alex made some favorable comments in the past)

Alex had a video the other day, one of the questions was about this.
He probably has the most exp with this amongst forum members.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help filling out a hedge
« on: September 01, 2022, 09:09:25 AM »
Regular guava should be good.
Dwarfish mango, manalita is an upright dwarf.
Lemon Drop or similar vigor garcinias
Maybe dwarf Sapodilla would work too.

Jabos and Eugenias as mentioned before is an option but the lower vigor might be an issue
Yellow Jabo seems a good degree faster than the rest (at least in my exp)

If you need something fast I'd plant some fast trees (mangos, Jackfruit, Soursop) at 12-foot spacing and fill in the space with flowering gingers for privacy

These are all really great suggestions. I just measured and I have 11 feet between the fence and the pool gate. So I suppose if I went with some of these options (guava, compact mango, lemon drop mangosteen etc.), I would put them, what, 5 feet off the fence? And then I'd have to keep the canopy opposite the fence elevated so I can still walk around over there. Is this what you were thinking?

Since you need something that goes up to 8' then i think trees would be the easiest.
What you mentioned above should work just fine.

Passionfruit is a good suggestion however to get it to 8ft you'd need to start driving some post and stuff in the ground.
If you are up to the task this will be an easier maintenance item in the longer term.
I have a 8 ft pergola in the back and i let passion fruit grow on top. Maybe you can do a similar structure that spans the length of the fence line with passion fruit.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 01, 2022, 08:53:51 AM »
I just picked another bucket of Kiett yesterday.
I should be all out mid-way through September.


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As far as i know Ziziphus mauritiana - Thai thornless (Though multiple similar names have been used) is the only grafted Jujube you can find selling in south florida.
People don't really sell the Chinese ones locally this far south.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango scions for trade
« on: August 30, 2022, 07:41:48 AM »
I have Duncan, Dupuis and might be able to get you Rapoza.
Have you considered Aromanis, buxton spice, white pirie, cat hoi loc, z-0, and thai everbearing?


I've been messing around with more tropical disease-resistant varieties for the last few years and selecting the ones that work for me.

Out of these, my favorite tasting is Thai Everbearing and White Pirie (By a pretty wide margin)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help filling out a hedge
« on: August 29, 2022, 11:53:09 AM »
Regular guava should be good.
Dwarfish mango, manalita is an upright dwarf.
Lemon Drop or similar vigor garcinias
Maybe dwarf Sapodilla would work too.

Jabos and Eugenias as mentioned before is an option but the lower vigor might be an issue
Yellow Jabo seems a good degree faster than the rest (at least in my exp)

If you need something fast I'd plant some fast trees (mangos, Jackfruit, Soursop) at 12-foot spacing and fill in the space with flowering gingers for privacy

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JF Annona grafting in Florida
« on: August 29, 2022, 11:41:43 AM »
AP should be around 2 lb each at harvest.
They mature 2 months after TS.

I donít know what you have there.

I got these scions as Arka Sahan, it clearly isn't.
Looks like AP to me, but I'm open to a proper ID lol.
I started getting Tropic sun in early July so that might check out.

I know the different regions will change some of the habits, but i don't know by how much.

all these were naturally pollinated.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Blueberries in warmer climates
« on: August 29, 2022, 08:20:09 AM »
I grew blueberries in a pot and got a few.
Didn't really seem to have a problem here.
The only reason why I stopped was because of the raccoons pulling out the drip irrigation in the middle of the summer.

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