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ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« on: May 03, 2021, 07:19:43 PM »
I went to a river today with my wife and kids to swim and found this tree growing just off the path down to the river, maybe 20 feet above it. It's certainly an annonaceae species judging by the flowers and it looks exactly like a pawapw. Here are some pics...












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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2021, 07:32:25 PM »
The real question is, will you be around long enough for those fruit to ripen to get seeds lol. In seriousness tho, thatís really interesting. The closest genera I know to Asimina are Disepalum and Deeringothamnus, Disepalum look nothing like that, but Deeringothamnus looks similar to Asimina. Looks the most to me like some sort of tree Cananga based on the fruit shape, but the flowers donít quite fit. Iím really interested to see what others come up with
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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2021, 07:35:57 PM »
The real question is, will you be around long enough for those fruit to ripen to get seeds lol. In seriousness tho, thatís really interesting. The closest genera I know to Asimina are Disepalum and Deeringothamnus, Disepalum look nothing like that, but Deeringothamnus looks similar to Asimina. Looks the most to me like some sort of tree Cananga, but the flowers donít quite fit. Iím really interested to see what others come up with

I will be here yes! It's just a 3 minute drive and 15 minute walk from my house. I forgot to say, the biggest fruit I saw was longer than a sugar apple and maybe the same circumference. And I don't think they're near being ripe yet.

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2021, 07:46:25 PM »
Looks similar to uvaria chamae, but wrong continent.

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2021, 07:59:43 PM »
Looks similar to uvaria chamae, but wrong continent.

I just checked that out just in case it was planted there or a seed has escaped cultivation, the flower is different and if the pictures are true the fruits of the one I saw are at least twice the size now of the ripe ones from the pictures. I should've gotten a shot of the whole tree but it was pretty big.

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2021, 10:13:50 PM »

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2021, 11:18:13 PM »
Looks similar to Sapranthus violaceus

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/291199-Sapranthus-violaceus

I think you're right, but this was removed from violaceus and given the name Sapranthus palanga because the flowers form on the stems and not new shoots. Here's the wikipedia page,and it says it occurs here in Costa Rica! Thank you!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapranthus_palanga

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2021, 09:52:09 PM »
Now the new question is if anyone has tried this fruit before? I can't find any info on it except for one site saying that you don't eat the fruit and another hand written note sent along with seeds saying the fruit is good.

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2021, 08:58:38 PM »
Sapranthus has been mentioned a few times in botanical literature, usually from viewing dead specimens.  We will all be interested in hearing about a real live taste test!
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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2021, 09:42:04 AM »
I'll try to keep an eye on it then and report back!

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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2021, 10:34:23 AM »
Now the new question is if anyone has tried this fruit before? I can't find any info on it except for one site saying that you don't eat the fruit and another hand written note sent along with seeds saying the fruit is good.

Josh,

Why not show a photo of it to some of your local tico neighbors and ask them if people eat this.  Then if you get an affirmative, ask if they know anyone local who has eaten it and what they said about it.

But with ticos' penchant for sweet things Ėlots sweeter thant we estadounidenses preferĖ then if the fruit is sweet-tart (i.e., subacid) ticos may say that it's not really very good to eat when we would likely find it just fine.

BTW, doesn't anyone at CATIE know anything about this Annona?

Just a suggestion . . .

Paul M.
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Re: ID help with an annonaceae species found in Costa Rica
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2021, 03:39:10 PM »
Now the new question is if anyone has tried this fruit before? I can't find any info on it except for one site saying that you don't eat the fruit and another hand written note sent along with seeds saying the fruit is good.

Josh,

Why not show a photo of it to some of your local tico neighbors and ask them if people eat this.  Then if you get an affirmative, ask if they know anyone local who has eaten it and what they said about it.

But with ticos' penchant for sweet things Ėlots sweeter thant we estadounidenses preferĖ then if the fruit is sweet-tart (i.e., subacid) ticos may say that it's not really very good to eat when we would likely find it just fine.

BTW, doesn't anyone at CATIE know anything about this Annona?

Just a suggestion . . .

Paul M.
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Paul, I've asked around, no one has tried it and most people have no idea what it is. What's funny is it's on the trail down to this river where a lot of people go to swim.

About their penchant for sweets, I'll say that they also eat more fruit unripe and acidic here than I could've imagined. Green mango with salt and lime, green jocotes with salt, acidic oranges with salt...I would imagine if it was acidic they would also know and like it too.

Completely off topic, but are you on an orchid forum with that name too? I thought I had seen it years ago.