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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions on caimito...
« on: May 11, 2021, 09:22:28 AM »

They grow true alright, Some types can reach 2 lbs but usually a lot smaller. Oscar's big purple may be larger. Big ones usually taste better plain greens are some of the best and worst but I think the pinks taste a bit better. The tree that produced the fruit in the pix grows in a pot is self fertile and just the same as its alva variety. mother. I remember the tree when it was just a seed.

Pix are routinely enhanced yes and in full sun the fruit and foliage gets more maroon than green.

The age of the rootstock in terms of time needed to go through juvenile phase is unlikey to change due to what is grafted on to it. Once it matures and has the resources to fruit it should be independent of whatever scion you put on.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New fruit Poulsemia armata
« on: May 11, 2021, 05:14:52 AM »
Heya Raul now that is an interesting fruit alright. It has an Artocarpus vibe about it and taste is one of the fruit characteristics that is most important.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha question
« on: May 11, 2021, 05:11:23 AM »
Achachas are really not that big and easy enough to control the size of. There are much bigger and more vigorous species around. They have a low flesh yield and are sourer than intermedia or brasiliesis which also have low flesh yield and the skin is pretty thick. So how can they compete with all the sweeter fruiting American species of which many have larger fruit? Well they are very productive, they are mono, fruit relatively quickly, the fruit travel and keep well and they are more cold hardy than most.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: May 11, 2021, 05:04:22 AM »
Tropo surely you cant be referring to page 79 and 80 of this that recapitulates the same errors without 'reference points'.
Cassowary there was a prevailing view that an individual who didnt want monthong and Gaan Yeow distributed did it and yes it is not in line with the land of smiles cultural vibe.
The 2 stars of the durian world to which I referred are lin laplae and long laplae developed around Laplae village not far from Uttaradit. They do feature in the fruit festival there yes.So the claims of seedlessness, odourlessness, better taste and grown in a colder northerly climate are what results in the crazy prices paid for them.There was a publicity blizzard surrounding them a little over 10 years ago.

If not the same very close to it and they share some important characteristics. When I had a lovely looking productive tree some years ago I recall the disappointment when trying the fruit. I took to it with an axe and it made great mulch. Its hard to think of a single word to capture the intricacies of its taste profile so I will lean to a commonly used Australian descriptive term.......shithouse. Unless you want this variety for ornamental purposes it doesn't make the grade.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: In the market for mangoes
« on: May 09, 2021, 04:42:31 AM »
Here re a few random market pictures from this morning. Not super duper exciting.


This is the tree and a marcot where roots are appearing now. I didn't get the chance to picture the happy new small tree from a previous marcot. I am not sure if success varies between trees and it just appears that way from my two.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Insane mango irony today
« on: May 08, 2021, 08:43:49 AM »
It is well known that cleanliness is the enemy of the immune system which need early and constant exercise. Animals, dirt and all manner of natural waste help the immune system so allergies and immunity based conditions are linked to this. Think about all the chemicals and metals etc that also compromise the immune system like in cleaning products also. many farmers and people in rural areas however can be exposed to pesticides and mine generated contaminants so it isnt a neat theory.
Trees often flower and fruit in response to 'near death' experiences. When cyclones hit fallen trees can put everything into their one last shot at immortality. A lazy recalcitrant tree which refuses to bear according to horticultural folklore, can sometimes be encouraged by a good thrashing including the back of the axe on the trunk. A large copper nail in the trunk is also supposed to encourage fruiting activity/

Would not be I meant to say in the last line of the previous post, sorry.

Europe has a proud fruit growing history just look at what they did with apples and how far crab apples were developed in a couple of thousand short years. It begs the question that if the fruit on offer in the garden of Eden was only a crab apple and no improved types were around then, it wasnt very tempting. I will add that the centre of new apple variety gravity has shifted to Western Australia. I am sure everyone knows Cripps Red, Pink Lady Lady and Sundowner that were developed there but a new apple will no doubt do a pink lady very soon. Look out for Bravo apples. And I digress once again yes avocadoes.
Our avocado loving European comrades no doubt realised that of the good types Fuerte, bacon, wurtz and hass are perhaps the most cold hardy and that commercial plantations are in such places as Burnie Tasmania at 41 latitude. I am sure they would have had the most cold tolerant As and Bs. If they are flowering then it is all about pollination. Maybe the ecology is so compromised that few natural pollinators arent doing the job. I am sure it would be due to basic stuff like not having As and Bs or the best suited types.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help IDing this mango
« on: May 08, 2021, 07:05:10 AM »
It lack of distinctive characteristics is almost distinctive in itself. It almost looks like a gracile KP..

Its a stretch saying these islands are part of Europe. I think the Azores have winter minimums a little lower than the lowland Canary Islands but the lows would not preclude cacao. Whether there is enough 'heat units' for them would be interesting to see and the winter rainfall maximum, low humidity and low rainfail could be dealt with.Gran Canaria is probably warm enough to grow them and perhaps even fruit them in s sheltered spot.
BTW coffee and pineapples are more cold hardy so not a fair comparison.

I may have related that I have 2 fruiting mangosteens in my yard and one was selected from a precocious parent that was first to fruit out of many in an orchard. It also fruited early at 5 years and 5ft high which is way faster than usual. problem is its almost seedless. Talking to BrizzyFizzy reminded me of another special feature this tree has. Marcots take on this tree but not my larger one.
My brother Stevo who is also on this forum decided to try marcotting my trees even though advised there was little chance. He has removed an air layered plant which is happily growing and it encouraged him to do more. I see roots in two others now so this propagation technique needs to be explored further for mangosteens. Maybe it doesnt work on all trees but there are many potential advantages including smaller and more precocious trees. Perhaps this will allow more chance of zone pushing and getting small fruiting trees.
If anyone is interested I can post pics of the developing marcotted plants tomorrow but won't take pics now as its night.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeds Del Mundo dishonest business?
« on: May 07, 2021, 07:05:15 AM »
Sorry to hear of your troubles Forester and why those species. There are smaller species with more tasty fruits. Cacao get pretty big especially.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Black Plum (Vitex doniana)
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:57:17 AM »
A fruiting mangosteen in Copenhagen would be  great challenge.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Black Plum (Vitex doniana)
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:51:10 AM »
Are you going to go back? Are you in the Netherlands now?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:50:01 AM »
Gaan Yeow in the local parlance and astute observation Cassowary. Yes kinda but mostly no. The reason is because what you have tried is not the real deal. In more innocent times in the late 70s and 80s when the Kamerunga Research Station captained by Brian Watson was in an acquisition and distribution phase, big batches of thai durians were mislabelled. Perhaps even wilfully at the source Much to research station staffs' future embarrassment the eggs were never properly unscrambled and stuck back in the shells. One Malaysian expert tried to put the correct names on everything after the horse had bolted and he produced keys that included leaf characters. Chanee and monthong were also caught up in the debacle and it seems none of the originals were actually Gaan yeow  but they are here now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Black Plum (Vitex doniana)
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:37:44 AM »
Heya Soren its great to see you rounding out this thread after commenting a long time ago.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish frames as fertilizer
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:35:27 AM »

Here are mud crabs in the campfire.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish frames as fertilizer
« on: May 07, 2021, 06:34:06 AM »
So take your skeletons from the closet and drop them in a hole where you will plant a tree. Sadly I don't go fishing much any more but some chums who are champion spearfisherman Dan, Jack and Az make sure I am not without seafood too often. Look up Back to Basics on youtube for some of Az's antics.
I digress but the fruit loving lads have been known to drop off crustacean portions as well. Here is one from my freezer right now.

They also had some crabs in the campfire here but crustacean shells have many nutrients that are needed by your trees and it slow release.

Thankfully I got a slice of the action from this recent day trip of theirs. It is good that people don't exceed bag limits as well by the way. I say don't waste resources for your trees if you know the spot where you will plant a tree in future. Just dig a deep hole and throw in more than fish scraps.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish frames as fertilizer
« on: May 06, 2021, 06:32:01 AM »
Snapper used to be good to take the tinnie out of the daintree for an over nighter. I think there are a few crabs around hope. I saw a big tiger at the ribbons and it spooked me. I bet you go out the front of the mowbray at night when the barra and crabs are in the shallows as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish frames as fertilizer
« on: May 06, 2021, 03:15:47 AM »
On those glassy days you can always have a crack at the south westerly drop offs on reefs and get big jacks and loads of trout. Used to really enjoy leaving in the afternoon, grabbing trout and big macs and then sweetlip,red emperor spanglies and nannies at night and a few pelagics and more trout before shooting back in the morning.Mowbray to Snapper is a fish disneyland even 10 clicks out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish frames as fertilizer
« on: May 06, 2021, 01:57:48 AM »
Its an old thing to do as well as a cow liver under the fruit tree and passionfruit vine. It really seems to work.The old trick of digging a compost hole and then planting over it also works. I did it with a wild pig carcass. Being an old sea dog myself there are many buried skeletons in my yard which weren
t used for crab pot bait. Even the cast netted fish the ducks rejected have been used. Don't be tempted to drop whole coral trout, red emperor and nannies in the holes. Mother-in-law fish and sharks yes.
There are plenty of slow release macros and micros in them.

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